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today. those who don't know it, those that think they don't have to know it will continue to be the clowns at the rodeo. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. tomorrow night, catch me on real time about bill maher. i'll be talking about i my new book, "jack kennedy: elusive hero." "politics nation" with al sharpton right now. rick perrys brain freeze is the least of your problems. perry forgets. but a day after voters rejected extreme republican policies, the rest of the pack pushes the same old ideas. >> 9-9-9. >> i wouldic look to see our tax rates flatter. >> paying the price of two happy meals a year? everyone can afford to pay at least that. >> melissa harris-perry and richard wolffe on the gop still captive to the tea party. >> the most significant jobs
package since the g.i. bill. >> back in the real world, a jobs bill finally passes, but republicans still don't get it. >> senate democrats have spent most of the time trying to make republicans look bad. >> and the penn state sex scandal. coach paterno's out, the new coach speaks out. and we'll have all the latest. plus -- >> he has to respond to hearsay. >> shocking threats from herman cain's lawyer to potential accusers. and what happens on the campaign trail doesn't stay there. >> i can and will be much crazier. "politics nation" starts right now. tonight's lead, the real
fiasco in the republican party. everybody's talking about rick perry's brain frees at last night's debate. i get why. it's good tv. >> it's stwlee agencies that are gone when i get there -- commerce, education, and what's the third one? the third agency of government i would do away with, education, the -- commerce, and let's see. the third one i can't. cory, oops? >> because i wasn't bothered by what perry forgot to say. there were eight people up on that stage. i was most bothered by what they all remembered to say and what it means for america. >> get the regulators off the backs of the banks. >> get see.
repeal it. >> i will repeal those bills. we have to lower the tax rate from 35 down to 25. >> lower taxes, leg regulation. first step is you take social security off the federal budget. >> deregulate, repeal health care, lower corporate taxes, talk about ignore the vote, just one day after voters across the country rejected the gop's extreme agenda, these candidates were acting like the election didn't happen. they're still captive to the tea party. joining me now is msnbc a tulane professor and columnist for "the nation." msnbc political analyst richard wolffe. and our friend mara is here to fact check the debate.
the debate was held outside michigan. how would romney explain -- here as what he said. >> my view is whether it was by president bush or president obama, it was the wrong way to go. they gave general motors to the uaw and gave chrysler to fiat. >> governor romney said that the bailout gave gm for the uaw and chrysler to fiat. let's see what the associated press had to say about there. they are reporting that the uaw trust got a 17.5% stake in general motors, a much smaller stake than the american people got, which was about 30%.
fiat got just about a 20% stake in chrysler, so neither really fits. now, to rule on the accuracy of these statements, we wanted to dust off the rev-o-meter, and that judges them on a scale, so on this particular point, we are going to give governor romney a three-quarter bloggo, mostly misleading. to the statement that the bailout was wrong, that of course is his opinion, but it did save an estimated 1.4 million jobs, rev, back to you. >> lincoln is a republican. blago is the democrat -- don't ever accuse me of being partisan. >> of course. >> clearly we can have our own opinions. romney was not only factually correct, i disagree with his stance. where are you on this?
>> i don't think it's necessarily that important where i am, per se. if you talk to people in detroit, they're very clear, that is a city that is absolutely in crisis in a number of ways. it is facing what so many urban areas in terms of blight, unemployme unemployment, but i talked about this xwf, it was at the bun commercial that you remember from the super bowl is that the auto industry is making a real and sustained kind of comeback, one that, had it not happened, if you could even begin to imagine the sort of expansive hole in the middle of our country that would exist had those aspects of the american not only industry, but our sense of pride, our ability to create something, all of that is wrapped up in the notion in the american auto industry.
>> everybody's talking about what mr. perry forgot, but i think all of them forget the election just a day before last night's debate, where labor won big in ohio, a key state in the general election. why would you come out blasting uaw, blasting all of labor, when clearly the public, both parties, voted in a way that says, wait a minute, we're not going with in antiunion extreme stuff. are all of them having a brain freeze? ? >> first, they have no idea. the plan is just to go back full surrender to the free market that collapsed, and retreat to the bush policies which difference real -- and here you have a situation where, for romney, he's trying to deflect attention from his terrible position on the auto industry itself.
to the extent anyone can make sense of it. he says he has this private sector experience. he thinks that these companies were given away instead of sold, or given up in terms of the union benefits. they didn't give them the shares to be nice to the unions, and his position at the time was these companies ought to have found some other form of finance when there was no finance for anything out there. the problem for these debates, the collapse of all the competition is he's not getting pushed. you have the cnbc reporters doing the job of rival candidates who cannot get their act together, and romney skating through this, but he's not helping himself. he's not becoming a better candidate. >> i think, professor peri, that was clear, there was not really any challenge from the other candidates. even on the thing that willard romney is the most vulnerable on, being a flip-flopper, he said this and was able to get away with it unchallenged. look at this on the flip-flop issue.
>> i think people understand i'm a man of steadyness and constancy. i don't think you're going to find somebody who has more of those attributes than i do. i think it's outrageous the obama campaign continues to push this idea. >> his evidence was he's been married to the same woman over 40 years, yeah, you're a flip-flopper that stayed married and goes to your church. that does not mean you didn't flip-flop on any number of issues that anyone on that stage, had they had the courage, could have pointed out with him standing there. >> it does seem to be more than courage. it's also in part an unwillingness to engage in factual observations. listen, i think that the obama not campaign -- this man is president, so it's the obama administration, i think part of the problem is at the moment the numbers are looking certainly bad, but in the direction that is positive for the obama administration. so, in other words, we still
have mosh horrible unemployment in this country, but we do have new until employment claims at their lower rate in seven months. we have undoubtedly all kinds of economic problems across the country, but the fact is many of those problems come across the fact that these republican governors offset the gains in private industry-making jobs by actually stripping public sector jobs in so many of these places where republicans took over in 2010. these are very clear numbers. so part of what we have seen happen in this particular gop primary is an unwillingness to engage with the empirics, and engage with the facts, because to do so doesn't benefit their very clear obama is all wrong. anything that obama says -- >> you're messing up the chat irwith facts and empirics. how dare you [ laughter ] >> last night we also ahead these republican candidates
attack government regulations as the source of all evil. take a look. >> good government out of the way by reducing the regulatory environment. >> pull back all of those regulations. everybody on this stage understands it's the regulatory world that is killing america. >> our biggest problem right now is the regulatory burden. >> mara, rev up the rev-o-meter. >> this is a big conservative talking point, but there's little evidence, and the labor department has compiled some statistics. according to the labor department, just 0.2% were due to government regulation. they say the much bigger reason is lack of demand. in addition to that bloomberg records that obama has approved 5% fewer new regulations than
president bush at the same point in his presidency. let's look at what the rev-o-meerlgt says it's a true blago, no truth to it. >> they almost broke it that time, professor perry. richard, let me start with you. if we didn't have all these regulations, 14 million people wouldn't be unemployed, we wouldn't have layoffs. how do you sell that to the public who has so many people they know are unemployed themselves, are facing layoffs in their families? >> well, look, to quote a great republican philosopher, oops. this doesn't stack up. when you ask people who's to blame, they blame the bush administration, they blame wall street. and to their point, that somehow the banks are over-regulated, please take this to the people.
go campaign on the platform that wall street is being crushed by the heavy boot of government. it won't fly. it won't fly with tea party folks, who were outraged at wall street just as much as the occupy weight people were. they do not believe that wall street is somehow hampered in what it was trying to do or what it needs to do. in fact i bet if you went out as teddy roosevelt and said i'm going to break up wall street, you would get majority support. that's a platform that a third-party candidate could and should take. >> now, let me ask you, professor perry, the whole message of regulation, is something elements of the tea party and occupy wall street, a movement, people can agree. i mean, i don't understand what about this -- these people that are on the republican primary race, what are they not hearing from all sides of the political spectrum here? >> i think this is part of what
is most fascinating. we want to remember that the tea party movement very much began as kind of an anti-wall street, anti-wall street bailout, what about main street? it is at least as fundamentally pop you list, at least in its language, as the occupy movement is. the two of them have a great deal of great on that. occupy and the tea pare made very clear claims about being nonpartisan. because they had a sense that both parties were infected with a particular corruption, but look, here's the deal. when you look hat corporate profits, corporate profits are not down. that is not the problem. that they would begin to hire workers is clearly wrong. you have skyrocketing, enormous, amazing profits on the part of these private industries, banking industries included, many of which are at the lowest
tax rates and some of the lowest regulation that we have seen. much of that deregulation occurs not just under george w. bush, but also under president clinton. those deregulating aspects have been going on for a long time in this country. that is not the issue. >> and 5% less under this president when you compare the same time president bush was. thank you all so much. thank you, mara. take the ref ometer and put it in a safe place. i'll be bringing it back i'm sure in a few days. ahead, after rejecting the president's jobs bill, now mitch mcconnell is blaming the president for plays politics? senator bernie sander has something to say about that. plus the scandal gripping the nation. how was this man allegedly able to victimize young boys? young disadvantaged boys, for so
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sometimes even senate republicans can do what's right. one day shy of veterans day, senate republicans finally passed one tiny part of the american jobs act. approving incentives for hiring veterans. it's a big change for the party of no. first they said no to the american jobs act, then they had no to jobs for firefighters and teachers, then no to infrastructure jobs, but finally a yes for veterans. this is long overdue, but mitch mcconnell is still pretending that republicans haven't been the problem all along. >> we can either acknowledge the fact that, on legislation both parties can embrace, or we can spend or times putting together
look -- >> science, senator, but you have that one wrong. the act has been chock-full of bipartisan ideas, supported by the majority of americans, i'm be the majority of republicans. 54%. 56% support taxing millionaires. but plerns won't be fooled. most know who is really to blame for this gridlock. senator bernie sanders, senator, thanks for coming on the show tonight. why do you think the republicans finally came around to support. >> well, al, i voted for the bill, but in good bill, in truth it was a pretty modest bill.
unemployed in real terms is 16%. the numbers are even higher, which is a real, real tragedy for people coming from war, and then coming into financial distress because they could support their family. it is a terrible situation. in my view you won't supply, until we solve it for all americans. the point that you just made, the hypocrisy of the republicans who talk about the need to work together, when day after day and these job bills, they are sabotaging what the american people overwhelmingly want. >> let me show you something, senator, to bring home your point. they don't have to believe bernie sander or al sharpton.
watch what mitch mcconnell said himself. >> we made it perfectly clear from the beginning that if president obama proposed policies consistent with our principles, we would work with him. >> this was last year. we'll compromise if you agree with us. what kind of compromise is that? >> the problem, al, is on issue after issue, the republican ideology republicans only a tiny fraction. you go out to main street and say to the american people we believe we should give tack breaks to billionaires at the same time we should tut -- and people will say, are you nuts? so when they say let's not see teachers lose their job. let's ask the wealthiest people
in this country, who are becomes -- pay for job creation, do you know what people from the tea party to progressives say? yeah, brings it on. you're correct, senator, about the tea party members all the way across the board. but 68% of americans say tax million nair, but 68% of millionaires say tax, in your term, bring it on. even millionaires are saying bring it on. who are they speaking for with this? >> that is a good question. i think it is a small number of hardcore right written extremists and people like the koch brothers who idea logically essentially want to undo every
single piece of legislation that has benefited working families in the last 80 years. i'll tell you something else, al. on tuesday we saw a true victory for working people in ohio and elsewhere. >> right. the issue now is will the democrats snatch the feet from the israels of vikt torrie? will the democrats now in congress have the guts to stand up on the super committee, for example, and say no, we're not going to cut social security, medicare and medicaid. we are going to do what the american people want. wheer going to ask billionaires to start paying their fair share. there is a fairway to move toward deficit reduction. if the democrats do that and give faith to working-class people all over this country that they are on their side, you know what you'll see in november? you won't see just a victory for
oy 'bama and democrats, you're going to see a landslide, but that remains to be seen. >> you have the wind to your back, you keep going, you don't turn around and start turning back into a headwind. senator sanders, as always, thanks for your time. >> thank you. ahead, herman cain calls nancy pelosi a princess on national tv. smart move, herman. wait until you see his response today. and inside the shocking sexual assault story. how one man allegedly used a program for disadvantaged youth to find boys to assault. we'll go inside the investigation. how can you get back pain relief that lasts up to 16 hours?
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welcome back. herman cain says he never acted inappropriately with anyone, but he's hired a new attorney, linwood, to defend him. mr. wood was asked about taking legal action against anyone else coming forward with allegations. wood responded, quote -- i'm not here to scare anyone off. however, they should think twice anyway. think twice? that's a flat-out threat.
he is threatening any other potential victims from coming forward. remember, this comes just after we learn that some of the accusers may come out publicly together to challenge mr. cain's account that nothing inappropriate happened. terry, what is your reaction? >> it's completely outrageous. retaliating against employees that come forward is flat wrong. this representative of a presidential candidate, to flat-out make that kind of threat, you know, you'll be sorry, it's outrageous. mr. cain should immediately fire this lawyer for making that kind of a threat. but i think that it's not just a threat against the women who are now coming forward with these allegations. the real problem with this kind
of behavior on the part of mr. cain and his attorney to start smearing the character of the women who have come forward, that has reverberations to women all across the country. that, i think, is the real damage that he does. >> i think also, terry, the thing that was striking to me in the debate last night is the seeming no real appreciation in the tone of mr. cain in dealing with the gravity of the charges, the accusations, be they true or not, and how this is offensive to women and therefore everyone. let me give you an example. when he refers to nancy pelosi as princess. watch this. >> in the previous congress, it was hr-3400, and what that does -- it's already been written. had we didn't hear about it in the previous congress, because princess nancy sent it to
committee and it stayed there. it never came out. >> now, you would think if someone is accused of gender-based harassment you would not make that kind of reference last night. you would say, oh, i made a mistake, i said may have said it before, but it's a different time. watch how he responded. >> i apologize for calling her princess pelosi, if that's the biggest story you all want. i apologize. >> why do you apologize? >> so you all will stop asking me about it, okay? >> it's like, okay, i apologize. why apologize? so you all will stop asking me about it. it looked like he really, really was sorry, huh, terry? >> you know, reverend, when i -- when my colleagues and i back in the day when i was practicing law, we talked about the microagressions of everyday life. that snide, you know, princess
nancy remark, what it really shows is disdain for all women, in particular powerful women. and if i may, it certainly suggests a certain amount of, it seems to me, fear of powerful women. if this is a gentleman who wishes to be the president of the united states, one of the thing he needs to wrap his brain around is he will be representing half the population. he needs to start treating women of this country with respect. he needs to start thinking of women as leaders, as being strong and assertive and that strong and assertive women are good things, not things to be belittled, and then oh, ha ha can't you take a joke? i apologize. not okay for a man who wants to be president. >> let me bring in alex wagner, whose new show on msnbc at noon debuts next monday. >> indeed it does. >> we'll all be watching. let me show you something, alex,
that also caught my eye last night and your response caught my eye. herman cain set this in the middle of the debate about when he was questioned about his character. this is what he said. >> the american people deserve better than someone being tried in the court of public opinion based on unnouned accusations. that's what that's about. for every one person that comes forward with a false accusation, there are probably -- there are thousands who would say none of that sort of activity ever came from herman cain. >> for every one, there are thousands that will say none of that came from herman cain. alex? >> i just think it's flawed. it's really playing the numbers game on this one, if you're herman cain, is not necessarily your best strategy.
i liken it -- rev, you mentioned what i said last night with lawrence o'donnell, like with serial killers. for every one person i may have killed, there's thousands i may not have killed. it's flawed logic. it's a game of she said, she said, she said, she probably would have said if she could speak. it is not a good look, as it were. again, any kind of evidence of thoughtful consideration about what he has done or the repercussions of what he said is not something that herman cain -- that has entered into his mirror. this is someone who has shown time and time again a certain defiance and real remorselessness about his actions or potential missteps. >> let me ask you this, alex. the whole idea of when the reporters brought up the character question and the audience started booing, have we gotten so extreme in this country now to you can't even ask a candidate about what is on
the front page for the last nine days, including that day leading up to a debate? i mean, they were not accusing. they asked a comment, and it was like they insulted. don't the public have the right to want to at least question something about someone's character if it has become an issue? >> rev, you bring up a good point. the audience has become a narrative in these debates, in as much as the candidates have been. everything from the sort of deathmongering audience from times -- from a few debates past to the folks calling for, you know, applauding rick perry's records on execution, to the man being allowed to die because he didn't have health insurance. in these debates, candidates are stacking the audience with like-minded supporters. i think that's something largely undiscussed in the media. >> and is unprecedented. >> exactly. it's a highly partisan environment, but i don't think
it serves the national conversation very well. >> let me ask you, terry. in terms of these sectionium harassment cases, aren't they difficult to prove on its face? >> well, you know, of course they're often very difficult to prove, but women who come forward to make these accusations need to be taken very seriously. the traditional defense of the sluts and nuts defense, oh, she deserved it because she's a slut or she's crazy and -- herman cain is using that strategy, and it's old, it's tired, it really shouldn't work, and i think that we have progressed as a society, in my mind, at least to this point. this is something i didn't say this gloria stein many said the other day, you know, clarence thomas may have become a supreme court justice, but dominique strauss-kahn will never be president of france. my prediction, with the way
herman cain is behaving, he will never be president, not just of the united states, but frankly not a president of any other company again. >> thank you both tonight. and remember, everybody stops 12:00 noon monday and going forward to tune into alex's show. >> thank you, rev. >> i will. don't call me no more at noon. up next, new details about the penn state sexual assault scandal, how the alleged predator used a group for disadvantaged kids -- disadvantaged youth, to commit crimes. stay with us. when you have tough pain, do you want fast relief? try bayer advanced aspirin. it's not the bayer aspirin you know. it's different. first, it's been re-engineered with micro-particles. second, it enters the bloodstream fast, and rushes relief to the site of your tough pain. the best part? it's proven to relieve pain twice as fast as before. bayer advanced aspirin.
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a man is accused of assaulting sexually a minor in '98. even after recording him saying something that clearly indicates something happened, no prosecution. then something in 2002, then 2009, now he's indicted. there's outrage. people are rioting? why people who knew and didn't know anything about it being fired? the question is why were disadvantaged kids put in the vulnerable position that this man had authority over? that's next.
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state coach jerry sandusky has turned that campus upsidedown. in the last 24 hours, the school has fired as head coach of 46 years joe paterno, and the university president. sandusky is charged with sexually assaulting eight boyce over a 15-year period. the first reported incident came in 1998, after an 11-year-old told his mother that he was forced to shower with the coach. sandusky was never charged. what's worse, it didn't stop there. in 2002, a graduate student witnessed him sexually assault a 10-year-old. he did not stop the alleged rape or report it to police. he instead told coach paterno, who advised him to bring the matter up with school officials. yet no justice was served. please were not call in, and no one attempted to learn the
identity of the child. this is not a sports story. this is a moral failure. these families deserve justice, and it took a shameful act in 2009 to bring it forward. joining me now is amy warden, a reporter from "the philadelphia inquirer" covering this from the beginning. she has a front-page story, and wendy murphy, former prosecutor and child advocate. she's written an editorial writing it's about institutional cover-up, not football. wendy, how come it took so long for an accused predator to be brought to justice. let me show this on the screen before you answer. we were told, in the actual indictment, in the indictment it reads in the report from the grand jury that sandusky said to the mother of victim 6 -- this
is in 1998, quote -- this is what police have recorded -- i was wrong. i wish i could get forgiveness. i know i won't get it from you. i wish i were dead. this he is discussing have been a naked shower with her son 11 years old, and they didn't prosecute him. >> how many people -- let me be clear. it is a crime. it is considered child sexual exploitation under pennsylvania law, to shower naked with a child. the prosecutor begged the case, why? because they are politicians who understand the influence of penn state, the scandal was too big, and it went away. two years later, the year 200 on 0, a child is orally raped by sandusky in the shower on penn state's campus. by this time penn state had
gotten rid of him. technically he was -- wink wink -- retired, but they let him back on. in 2000, he had another boyd in there raping them. make no mistake about it, people at penn state -- oops i mean perp state university, knew what they were doing. they covered it up, because they care more about their damn reputation and scandal and money and damn football than they care about little boys being anally and orally being raped over and over again. penn state should shut its damn doors, if you ask me. they think firing a president and coach is enough? mcquery, who walked away while it was happening is still a coach. >> that's what i want to make clear here, amy.
mcqueary walks in, after all this in '98, we've had the assault -- he so-called retires as wendy says, '99, and forms a nonprofit for disadvantaged kids, and no one says anything. now he has kids under him, and he starts again continuing this stuff. now in 2002, we have him discovered by this man nude with a 10-year-old boy nude sodomizing him. the guy sees it and walks out and goes to the head coach the next day, doesn't stop it, doesn't report it, doesn't interrupt. i mean, is this crazy or what? >> well, al, i can't explain mcqueary's inaction on the night
of that incident. i suppose we'll have to let him explain it, though what we do know is he did tell -- he told -- he called his father and they together went to joe paterno's house very shortly thereafter, and told the coach, and the coach told the athletic director. ultimately they came back to mcqueary and said we have taken away his keys, of course we learned it was not -- >> wait a minute, let me make sure i understand this right. mcqueary walks in, he sees in the shower a naked nude 10-year-old with his hands up being sodomized by a grown man, and he doesn't call the police, doesn't deal with trying to stop it, he goes home, calls his father, his father and him tells the head coach paterno the next day, and after paterno and them look into it, with the campus
police, they take the guy's keys? >> hi takes away the keys and access to the locker room and reported it to second mile, his charity. why mcqueary did not act. sandusky was essentially his boss at the time. he clearly wanted a future with the football program here. he's here now on the football coaching staff. >> wendy, is this criminal? wendy, you've been a prosecutor. i mean, is this criminal, is paterno and others guilty of crimes here? >> you know, i don't have words that won't get you in trouble with the fcc. they're a bunch of bas-- who wa away from a child being raped? i don't care if it's against the
law to report or not report. who walks away from a child being raped and calls himself a human being? animals aren't that mean to each other. this is what i don't understand, the knit wits protesting his ouster, why aren't they at sandusky's house, why aren't they shaming him and complaining about what has happened to these children? what is wrong with the entire community of penn state they think the worst thing that has happened is paterno can't coach. are you kidding me? >> amy warden and wendy murphy, thank you. i think this is outrageous, i think they are protesting at the wrong house. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] juice drink too watery?
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