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welcome to "the ed show." the war on women's health took a dangerous turn in the state. we'll bring you the latest and we'll get live reaction. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. bomb goes off at a wisconsin planned parenthood clinic a day before the republican primary. the fbi is investigating what could be domestic terrorism in wisconsin. republicans still can't rally around romney and rick santorum destroys him with a new ad. >> what if i told you he raised taxes and stuck taxpayers with a $1 billion shortfall. >> the scott walker race is a lot more important to me than the presidential race right now. >> milwaukee mayor wants to be the democrat to take on scott walker in the june recall.
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tonight, tom is my exclusive guest. i'm doing this for trayvon. it makes me press forward to know we have to address this for my son so his death is not in vain. >> america is waiting for an arrest in the trayvon martin case as details paint a wors picture for george zimmerman. we'll have the latest. good to have you with us. thanks for watching. the dangerous reality of the war on women's health was on full display in wisconsin last night. a homema explosive device was detonated at a planned parenthood clinic in the town of grand chute, wisconsin. police is no suspects. the president of the wisconsin planned parenthood clinic says the clinic will reopen tomorrow. she says our primary concern today is our patients, staff and volunteers. the bomb attack comes while the republican presidential
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candidates are campaigning in wisconsin for tomorrow's primary. rick santorum released a statement denouncing the violence but still firmly opposing planned parenthood. he said violence is never the answer while we can and should work to defund planned parenthood, violence against our fellow citizens has no place in a freedom loving america. santorum isn't the only candidate who has escalated the war on women's health. mitt rney said he will defund planned parenthood. he said women who rely on planned parenthood services are on their own. >> i'm wondering where you you would suggest the women that receive their health services such as mammograms and hpv vaccines go. >> thecan go where ever they like to go. this is a free society. the federal government should not tax these people to pay for planned parenthood. >> women health services are
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under attack from all sides. president obama released a statement saying he stands with planned parenthood and its supporters. >> protecting women's health is a mission that stands above politics. over the past year youe had to stand up to politicians who is want to deny millions of women the care they rely on and inject themselves into the decisions that are best made between a woman and her doctor. let's be clear here, women are not an interest group. they're mothers and daughters and sisters and wives. they're half of is country and perfectly capable of making their own choices about their health. when some politicians say they will get rid of planned parenthood, don't forget what they are really talking about. eliminating the funding for care that millions of women rely on and leaving them to fend for themselves. >> i have said who ever stands up for the rights of the working class for this country will win the election.
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the same goes for women's rights. president obama is separating himself from republicans in his support for women's health care and the results are very telling. usa today gallup poll said 12 critical swing states show president obama's numbers against possible republican opponents are getting bigger in these key states. the president leads mitt romney by nine points and rick santorum by 11 points in the swing states. among women the numbers are bigger. he has an 18-point lead over mitt romney and a 15-point lead over rick santorum. the gender gap could be the ticket display for the democrats this year. it could affect races all over the country. democrats are hanging on a vulnerable senate seat in swing states like ohio and florida and missouri. there are open seats in virginia and here in wisconsin. female voters arquestioning whether republicans are on their side and it's having a big
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effect in the polls. if their answer is a resounding no, republican chances of victory in november will take a hit. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, will the war on women cost the republicans the white house? you can go to our blog at we'll bring results later on in the show. i'm joined by the political itor of the progressive magazine. also with us is joan walsh, editor at large for ruth, let me ask you first, planned parenthood, how important is it to voters and do you think these polls will hold up as we get closer to the election? >> i think it's crucial to so many women voters and what women understand this is just not about driving a wedge over the issue of late term abortion. this is about telling women whether they should have access to birth control and whether we're going back to little
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or whether we're living in a modern society. >> what can you tell us about the bombing that took place? >> it happened in the fox valley which is a very divided part of our very divided state. it's close to the place where joe mccarthy is buried. it's an area that sent a democrat to congress regularly. this is an area of the state that's crucial for republicans to win if they're going to win tomorrow. it's also an area where you really see the battle between the forces that want to drag us backwards and more modern forces if place and walkers cuts to planned parenthood which he implemented almost as soon as he took office, $1 million in cuts were aimed at this clinics in the fox valley like the ones that were bombs. >> we've seen some very radical positions being taken by the
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republican party when it comes to women's health and now this bombing. god forbid the tip of the iceberg. what does this mean? are all these radical positions going to take us into a really scary phase in american politics? >> well, i think they already have, ed. i think that there are two realities in our country. planned parenthood enjoys so much esteem and respect from most americans. i saw a pew poll that had them way higher among admired groups than the nra. in the world, in the normal world planned parenthood has a health mission. they carry it out well. one out of five women have used the services at some point in their life. i remember last year when the house gop started this war to defund it. just grassroots women on twitter and facebook were speaking up for planned parenthood.
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on the one hand you have not been able to delegitimize or demonize them but it plays into a long-term pattern of attacks on planned parenthood, needing clinic escorts for women to get their services. there are two realities, two americas just like ruth is discussing in the fox valley where you've got progressives doing the right thing and taking care of people and then you've got some frightened and kind of frightening people turning the violence when they can't get thr way politically. >> joan, politically, these numbers are not good for the republicans right now. women voters seem to be holding all the cards because of the radical position of the republicans. how can they fix it? >> i don't know that they can fix it. there's a fair amount of time before the election. nothing is in the bag. you know, i remember having conversations about sherrod
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brown in ohio back when john kasich got elected and there was this terrible ohio backlash and worrying about that seat and he's doing well and it's with the support of women. you have tim cain in virginia. it's not just president obama who is being void by this support. it's key democratic senators in tough races. i see this continuing. i don't see there's really anything they can do at this point that they want to do to turn this around and say, you know what, we were wrong about this. this was settled in the '60s, we apologize. i think it's too late. >> ruth, how important is it for president obama. he came without a video message talking about planned parenthood. he's going right at the republicans right now. that's about as aggressive a statement as you can make and he's putting be republicans on the defensive. what does it mean? >> it means he knows he benefits.
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look, he's at 60% with women and mitt romney is at 30%. clearly, this is a settled issue. this is not an issue that's up in the air. should women have basic access birth control or should their boss or pharmacist interfere and prevent it. what last night show it's not hyperbole it's a force trying to drag us back. >> you have sherrod brown doing well. you have bill nelson. how can the democrats capitalize on this to make sure they don't lose this advantage? >> i think they should just do the right thing. doing the righthing means standing up for planned parenthood and believe women should have access to birth control.
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mitt romney tried to tell us that women don't care about access to birth control. they are much more concerned about the federal debt. i don't think so. >> joan walsh, could this keep the senate in the hands of the democrats. is this a big enough issue because i don't think the republicans can resurrect themselves, i don't think the etch a sketch will work this time >> no. >> the president said it right ifis message that you're not some special interest group that's out there. >> no. >> what do you think? could this really make a big play for the senate and could this be the key issue that would keep senate in the hands of the democrats as far as the majority? >> it's looking that way. it begun to look good a while back for president obama with the women's vote. we were crucial to his election
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in 2008. the senate has been dicier. state by state it's been a little dicier. to see these wide numbers, these wide leads that are being opened up in florida and in ohio, virginia, it's really encouraging and it's all on the strength of this women's vote that is turning against the republicans. i think as long as these issues are in the news, i think democrats are in good shape. >> ruth and joan, great to have you with us tonight. thanks so much for being on "the ed show." remember to answer the chemil weapon at the bottom of the screen. coming up, mitt romney and paul ryan. they are going around the state like they're relatives. is ryan auditions for larger role in the romney campaign? later, i'll talk to milwaukee mayor. he's the latest democrat to jump into the race for the chance to take on scott walker. i stepped on the machine,
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mitt romney and paul ryan are attached at the hip, they started wearing the same clothe ons the campaign trial. john nickels and howard fineman join me, next. scott walker, the recall is under way and he's getting major help from outside the state. i'll be joined by state senators. i'll have an exclusive interview with the newest walker challenger. that's milwaukee mayor. an fbi have arrived on the scene in the trayvon martin case. there are major new details. that report is ahead. share your thoughts on twitter using the hashtag ed show. we'll be right back.
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reason i'm excited about mitt romney candidacy because it's clear from all of our interactions that he understands this threat to our country. >> that was paul ryan embracing mitt romney ahead of tomorrow's primary here in the badger state. romney and ryan. they have been connected at the hip while campaigning through the entire state. i don't think that mitt romney has been this close to a congressional member since. it seems like ryan is audition auditioning for the role of
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running mate on the ticket. romney needs to get solid conservatives behind him, embracing the ryan budget which would eliminate programs for americans is the first step the the latest polling puts romney ahead of the badger state by seven points yet rick santorum remains optimistic. >> we're going to have a strong showing. maybe even sneak in and have an upset. >> santorum's dreaming. despite romney outspending santorum 50 to 1, santorum's latest ad uses his most effective argument against the former massachusetts governor. >> i'm rick santorum and i approve this message. >> what if i told you this man's government mandating health care include $50 abortions. what if i told you he supported radical cap and trade.
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what if i told you he raised taxes and stuck taxpayers with a $1 billion shortfall. what if i told you the man i'm talking about isn't him. it's him. >> i'm joined by the washington correspondent for the nation magazine. they may not be cheering but i know that howard fineman has just as many fans. i know he does. gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight. john, what do you make of this ryan/romney connection? why are they so close? romney has not been this close to anyone on the campaign trail? >> it's a symbiotic relationship. paul ryan said he would consider an offer to run for vice president. four days later he endorsed mitt romney. we know what paul ryan wants
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from this. he would like to be vice president. what does mitt romney want? that's easy too. paul ryan is credible with the tea party. it's credible with conservatives. they see him as a movement man. the other thing is less spoken, he is a stone cold conservative. as right wing as rick santorum on these issues. it's a natural fit. >> why are none of them standing with scott walker? you can't get them together on the campaign trial. >> you might want to consider that scott walker ishe subject of a john doe investigion into criminal corruption. that photo might come back to haunt you not just if that goes bad but do you want to be photographed with a guy that is on your agenda and gets beaten in a recall election.
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>> howard, does paul ryan offer more to mitt romney than any other conservative because of his obviously his position as a chairman of the house budget committee and he's come up with a strong and conservative budget? >> it's his best pitch right now in wisconsin. i don't know that it's going to necessarily help him elsewhere. i know that from talking to one of mitt romney's top staffers a few minutes ago that they think they have been getting and are going to get in wisconsin the biggest share by far of self-identified republicans. i think they're going to credit to some extent paul ryan for that. they want him now. it's sort of a situation like i'll see you one rick santorum and raise you two paul ryans, at least for wisconsin. i'm not convinced it's going to
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be the same thing in the country generally. >> what about rick santorum, howard? is this it? does he have to win here? he's making the case he's got a lot of states down south and even if romney does well tomorrow night, he's still not halfway there to the total legate count? does he have to win here? if he loses here, and it looks like he will, he will not have won ohio or illinois or michigan or wisconsin. all where the manufacturing base has been. what about wisconsin for santorum? >> it looks like rick santorum is trying to bowl his way to victory in wisconsin. i don't think it's going to work. it's beginning to remind me a little bit of the monty python movie, the holy grail.
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you remember the scene where there's the knight and they keep chopping his arms and legs off. >> keep going. you're warming up the crowwith all of this. just keep on going. you're hot, buddy. you're hot. keep going. >> as e knight shrinks, he keeps saying it's a mere flesh wound. i think that's where rick santorum is right now. at this point, the players, meaning media players, the republican party players and increasingly the voters, i think, are deciding and among the republicans that the race is over and it's time to turn their attention to president obama. i think for dignity's sake, rick santorum is trying to stay around at least until pennsylvania. he better be careful what he wishes for there, ed.
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that's my home state. i know a lot of people there. i keep close tabs on it. it's by no means certain that rick santorum would win his home state of pennsylvania on april 24th. we know he lost by 17 points the last time he ran for the senate there. >> here is mitt romney's best surrogate, his wife ann in a radio interview earlier. >> sometimes he appears stiff. do you have to fight back some critics like my husband isn't stiff, okay? >> well, i guess we better, unzip and let the real mitt romney out because he is not. >> what the heck was that all about? >> i'm telling you man. i didn't know they had him zipped into some romy outfit. this notion that there's some kind of inner mitt romney. there's a mitt romney inside that somehow better than the thing he is showing us. the guy has been running in some
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of the most intense races of his life. wouldn't you think he would have shown it already. >> i would think so. great to have both you have with us. thanks so much. appreciate it. the walker recall is a make or break moment for the republican party. scott walker's desperation is showing. we'll be right back.
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good to have you back here with us in madison, wisconsin. we're one day away from the republican presidential primary. most of the state voters are focused on a different election. that's the recall election that has four senate seats. over the weekend, walker is on thdefensive. >> i look forward to this opportunity. i relish this. this for me and becky and the senator is a chance for us to go across the state and tell one of the most powerfully messages in the country. do we want a governor who firmly stands with the hard working taxpayers of this great state.
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>> scott walker must be desperate if he wants us to believe that he stands with workers of wisconsin. the chairman of a republican national committee made it clear the stakes could not be higher for the republican party. >> my pledge to you especially here in wisconsin is to be this governor's partner lock step. anything scott walker needs from the rnc, scott walker is going to get from the rnc. >> walker has the full support of the rnc. stop it right there. just remember that. walker has the full support of the rnc. the republican presidential candidates, wait a minute, they're a little bit careful. what's full support. mitt romney and rick santorum have voiced support for walker but they're not showing at any campaign events with him because he could be legally toxic with
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their campaign. they can't afford to be seen in public which somebody that could be a huge liability after june 5th. this is why i cover wisconsin as much as i do on "the ed show." this is all about citizens united. there is absolutely no way the democrats in this state or as walker loves to say, the union bosses whoever the heck they are, as if there's this money just pouringnto this state from the clouds. it's raining dollars for democrats, that's not the case. what we saw here was 30,000 volunteers in the winter time go across the state and get signatures. the boots on the ground. now, i don't think tt these groups that are falling into wisconsin and backing up scott walker and trying to save him politically all of the right wing money coming into wisconsin, they can't beat the people in the street.
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that's the bottom line. these are progressives who are in the street. you don't see the conservatives in the treat. you don't see them -- you know who is out there for them. fox news is out there for them. some right wing talkers in milwaukee out there for them. this guy is on big time shaky ground. this is template for other states across the union to see how to fight against big money. that's why this is so big. if walker wins, if he stays in office, it also sets the template on how the republicans are going to be able to get it done. let's bring this wisconsin state senators. let me ask you first, lena. the template, i mean, if i'm wrong, tell me. what's happening here? >> you're not wrong, ed. this is really been a movement that is unprecedented. it's unprecedented for our state and the people are ready to push back and fight back. people are on fire.
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who would have thought that people would still be energized and city ready to fight. people are ready. >> walker says that he is for the hard working taxpayers. he uses the word reform. what's he talkg about? >> he's talking about grabbing more power. that's what he's been doing this last year. he's not standing with the people of wisconsin. he's been spending more time out of our state than in the state and going around and trying to get money from big campaign contributors who he had ability to raise unlimited dollars. the average wage earner, the people marching in the street, he's still not standing with them. >> you can't match the money. how is that going to play out? >> the people are the ones that initiated the recall.
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the people are the ones that initiated the protest. the people will be the ones to take back the state. >> he's vilifying the unions. every time i hear walker talk he talks about out of state union bosses. >> has he forgotten about his koch brother bosses. has he forgotten about his phone call with the koch brothers. he's forgotten he's bought and sold bthem. we may they may have the power but we have the people. the people are the ones to vote. not only has he been sold out to the koch brothers but he's moved our numbers where he's put me people from work to welfare in our state. this guy is not for the people. he's not done what he needed to do for wisconsin. >> report came out today that the milwaukee police and firefighter unions in the city of milwaukee are endorsing scott walker. they endorsed him in 2010 and they are back endorsing him again. i understand the state unions are upset about this. >> it's not anything that's surprising. they endorsed him back in the original election. they got exempted. it was largely seen as political payback for them. here we have they are coming up with the receipt to say we're here with you again. it's nothing more than a political ploy.
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political payback for him. >> the senate is now at 16-16, correct? >> correct. >> there's four senate seats. how do you feel about those recalls? >> we are very excited. >> the senate is now a16-16, correct? >> correct. >> there's four senate seats. how do you feel about those recalls? >> we are very excited it'sery competitive races. when it's done, it will flip and i thk you'll being looking at the individuals in the majority? >> are you weighing on who you would like to see who goes against scott walker?
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>> i'm not weighing in. he's the only governor to establish a criminal defense fund. we have four great candidates. >> you're not concerned about a big fight in the democrat party? >> no. i think lit be a rising primary about who will fight more for the middle class. who will fight for protecting our long term future. it will raise people's attention for the alternative to scott walker. >> are you concerned about any support eroding depending on who gets the nomination? >> not at all. i think it will energize people across the board. i think the candidates that we have and the spectrum will continue to keep energy among the base. people are ready and whether it's the very progressive or whether it's the farmer or whether it's the person in wisconsin, people are ready to
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be engaged and involved. i think one other thing that's important, this ll be an opportunity to show the democrats are for women because they have really shown a war on women as you talked about earlier. >> will that play in wisconsin in the recall because scott walker went after planned parenthood, one of the first things he did? >> northeast definitely. women will play a large role in the election in wisconsin. i know in my district, women a the majority. >> what if you lose? what if walker wins? what does that say? i got to ask. what does that say if he wins? >> first of all, he's not going to win. >> see, folks, they don't even want to think about that in wisconsin. it's a motivated bunch. thanks so much. what effects me personally is the governor's race. >> he's the man scott walker defeated in 2010.
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tonight tom barrett want a rematch and he's my guest. every one of us feel the pain of this family because trayvon martin could have been one of all of us. >> new evidence in the trayvon martin case makes it look even worse for george zimmerman. america is waiting for an arrest. we'll bring you the latest. right there -- reminds you [ m. why you fell in love with her in the first place. and why you still feel the same. but your erectile dysfunction -- that could be a question of blood flow. cialis for daily use helps you be ready nytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain,
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>>welcome back to "the ed show." the walker recall could turn into a rematch of the 2010 election. on friday, milwaukee mayor tom barrett announced he's running for the democratic nomination to challenge scott walker on june 5th. he's pledged not to go negative and he's asked his primary opponents to do the same thing.
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he only lost to him five points in 2010, which was not a good year for democrats. the recall election is about labor rights and some unions especially asked me, they have communicated to us they are convinced that barrett is not the right guy for the job. they have concerns. many unions have already endorsed dane county executive kathleen falk. barrett is running strong in the polls the latest polls show him seven points in the lead in the democratic primary and barrett is doing better than any other democrat although he trails the governor by two points. republicans are clearly worried about him. the republican government association released an attack ad against him before he announced he running.
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good to have you witus. i appreciate your time. >> it's great to be on your show. >> you bet. thank you, sir. why are u doing this? you wait until friday to jump. why are you doing it? >> i'm doing it because scott walker is trying to divide the state like it's never been divided before. i want to restore trust to the governor's office. i want to heal the state and createobs. scott walker started a civil war in this state. you heard about it on the call when he thought he was talking to the koch brothers. the phrase he used is he's going to drop the bomb. two things will happen. either you're going to obliterate a village or people are going to fight back like they never fought back before. that's what we have seen in wisconsin for the last 15 months. we have seen people fighting in this state to make sure that collective bargaining rights restored. that's something i will do as governor of this state.
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most importantly, we need a government who will fight for jobs. i was with scott walker. i went toe to toe with him time and time again. i heard him talk about how he was going to create jobs. in 2011, under the leadership of scott walker, the state of wisconsin lost more jobs than any other state in this country. >> i got to ask you, two k points here. you lost to scott walker in november o2010. what makes you think you're going to beat him in the recall if you get the nod by the democrats? >> there's several things. that was a terrible time for democrats. we ran into the tea party buzz saw at that time. it's changed. more importantly, people have now seen what scott walker is all about. he never once mentioned during his campaign that he wasoing to end collective bargaining rights for public employees.
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i will restore those rights. >> along those lines, i got to ask you this. the unions are supporting kathleen falk. how can you convince them that you would be the right guy for the job because she signed a pledge saying that she would go be a staunch supporter of collective bargaining. you didn't sign that. how are you going to correct that? >> well, what i said was that there are other avenues to make this a reality. what i can do as governor of this state is call a special session right off the bat and seek to have those rights restored without waiting for a budget or do it through the legislative process. i said i don't want to tie my hands behind my back with one approach or anotheapproach. i've said that i support restoring collective bargaining rights in the state of wisconsin and as the governor of this state, i will restore those collective bargaining rights. >> okay. what about the money? i want to play this.
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this is scott walker recently mentioned you in an interview on fox. here it is. >> you who paid for the expansion of government in the past, it's been the middle class taxpayers. we're putting them back in charge of our government of the state and local level. we're sitting in the city of milwaukee, mayor tom barrett was able to save $25 million and not have to rely on gorging the pot taxpayers. >> he said you're following the policies that he implemented. what are you saying about that? >> the city of milwaukee got the largest cut that we have seen as a city. largest cut. probably close to $15 million until cuts we had. he wanted to paint me in a corner. he wanted to paint me in a corner and say you go out there and lay off hundreds of people or you take other action.
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i did not want to lay off hundreds of people. i didn't want to close libraries and lay off nurses. that's the challenge i face because of scott walker. the biggest mistake we as democrats can make is aim the gun at each other and forget it was scott walker that brought the cuts to the local level and play mayors had to respond to that and make decisions. >> great to have youith us tonight. i appreciate your time. >> thanks, ed. the fbi confirms it's performing a parallel investigation. the latest developments on that next.
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up next, the latest details on the trayvon martin case. if fbi launches an investigation and begins interviewg witnesses. the crowd here has a lot to
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say about the upcoming recall election in their state. we'll hear from them coming up. stay tuned. we're right back. machine, and it showed me the pressure points on my feet and exactly where i needed more support. then, i got my number. my tired, achy feet affected my whole life. until i found my number. i tried the free dr. scholl's foot mapping center. in two minutes, i got my foot map and custom number. i'm a 440. that matched up to the dr. scholl's custom fit orthotic inserts with the right support and cushioning i need. i am a believer. i'm a believer! i'm a believer. find your closest foot mapping center at
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welcome back. there are new developments in the trayvon martin case. the fbi has started to question potential witnesses. today the fbi has confirmed it's begun a parallel investigation into the killing of the 17-year-old youth. agents have begun interviewi people at the gated community where trayvon was shot. trayvon'parents have asked to investigate why the first state attorney refused a request to arrest george zimmerman. the family wants to know? state attorney interfered with the case. he is said he was outraged by the family's request. sanford police chief sided wh him even though the lead investigator did not believe george zimmerman's story.
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two audio experts have now said the cries for help on the 911 tapes are not that of george zimmerman. one expert said the test concluded that it's not the voice of george zimmerman. abc news reports and has now enhanced the police surveillance video of george zimmerman. in the enhanced video there's mark on zimmerman's head which might be an injury but the video does not show evidence of an injured nose or any signs of blood on his shirt. emergency responders cancelled a second ambulance to take zimmerman to the hospital according to abc new there was another rally for justice in sanford over the weekend and now bill clinton has weighed in on the case. >> i hope this will lead to a repraisal of stand your grou laws and i hope the truth will come out and the tragedy of this young man's loss will not be in
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vain. i'll be talking to the crowd when we come back. [ other merv ] welcome back to the cleaning games.
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big finish tonight on the "the ed show" is a big thank you to the great dane who have allowed our crew to come in here to do the show in madison, wisconsin. these are great folks. they really are. one thing about this whole walker recall but it's just not walker, it's the wisconsin state senate where those four seats are up for grabs. let's not forget the nine recall races that took place last summer. this part of the country is to politically active right now. it's not pause they want to make it that way, they feel like they
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are getting attacked. they feel like the middle class isn't getting a fair shake and it's a radical agenda that has taken this crowd to new heights. what do you think of that? is that right or wrong? >> i agree with you. as a psychologist i work with people that come from rural wisconsin and support not as solid there. the walker campaign was doing a great job but something has to be done to get more information to people in outlying areas. >> are you concerned about maybe political exhaustion? they just answered it for you. >> i'm concerned this is a middle class issue. 70% of the women and children in dane county live in the poverty line. this is not a middle class issue. you are fighting for women and children across wisconsin to have access to health care and
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rights. those women need to get out and vote. >> how is the recall going to go? what does it mean to the state? >> i think the question is beyond what does it mean to the state? it's beyond what does it mean to this nation and what does it mean to this world. when we stand together for creative candidates that still try to build community and bui on the strengths that we have here instead of destroying what we have not only built for our state but set examples for around the world. >> your thoughts. >> i like all the attention on wisconsin. i think it's important. i think we will come through in may and june. >> okay. may 8th is the democratic primary. june 5th is the recall election. i love the state. i love their passion. i just know that the power of the people is going to be successful. we will stay on this story. that's the "the ed show" live from m