tv The Last Word MSNBC October 15, 2013 1:00am-2:00am EDT
the same guy that gifted mcdonnell. he appears to be far bemind the race that republicans thought they would win easily. even their poll numbers in congress, i can understand why they may want to look to the we will see you again tomorrow night. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> senate leaders say they are making progress on a deal and ted cruz is making progress on destroying the republican party. >> there has been progress. >> all eyes are on the dynamic duo of harry reid and mitch mcconnel. >> negotiations are now focused on senate leadership. >> very optimistic we will reach an agreement. >> i share his optimism. >> boehner could end this thing tomorrow. >> do we really want to compromise john boehner as
leader of the house? >> we're in a bad place. >> the fight was about defunding obama care. >> all of us are talking about spending. >> the republicans will have to admit they lost this crazy fight. >> how do you tell you're losing in american politics? >> sarah palin. >> sarah palin is standing right beside you. >> is this anyway that a commander in chief would show his respect? >> that's how you tell you're losing. >> the tea party republicans. >> isolated and -- >> ted cruz is going to try to do us in. >> the president who bows down to allah. >> total an arky and chaos. >> well this is awkward, but the government is shut down. >> this whole shot dun has been completely unnecessary.
>> on day 14 of the federal. but in fact two more 90 to nothing. the senate confirmed madeleine as a u.s. district judge in northern alabama and by unanimous consent, that is without any bothering to have a roll call vote, the senate confirmed andrea wood as a u.s. district judge in the northern district of illinois.
mitch had to work behind the scenes for weeks with harry reid to quietly bring those two confirmations to the senate floor and to deftly submit them to a vote without provoking any crazy objections from anyone else. and it is not easy to do that. harry reid and mitch mcconnel do it all the time and virtually invisibly. while they were at it, the other thing that they tried to do today is save the country from going into default and reopen the government. we have made tremendous progress. and everyone needs to be patient. we will have no more votes tonight. and we hope with good fortune and the support of all of you recognizing how hard this is for everybody, that perhaps tomorrow will be a bright day. we're not there yet.
we hope it will be. >> let me echo the remarks of the majority leader. we had a good day yesterday and another good day today. we look forward to making more progress in the near future. >> the agreement would reportedly fund the federal government at current spending levels and raise the debt ceiling through the first week of february. as well as income verification measures for people seeking subsidies under the new health care law. the senate republicans are scheduled to meet at 11:00 a.m. tomorrow. the house republicans will have their weekly 9:00 a.m. meeting as scheduled. >> this week will be going into
the third week. there will be differences in terms of priorities but we don't need to inflict pain on the american people or risk the possibility that america's full faith and credit is damaged just because one side is not getting its way. if republicans are not willing to set aside their differences we stand a good chance of defaulting. >> and the president gave his view of the state of play in congress. >> i think there has been some
progress on the senate side with republicans recognizing it's not attainable or smart or good for the american people to let america default. i think house republicans continue to think that somehow they can extract concessions by keeping the government shut down or by threatening default. my hope is that a spirit of cooperation would move us forward. >> joining me now, nbc news course respondent luke russert and mark patterson, former chief of staff of tim geithner. state of play as of this very moment, 10:06 p.m.? >> the state of play, lawrence, is that more likely than not we will see the official unveiling of this deal that you mention in your opening tomorrow and possibly if everyone agreed in the senate could it leaves john boehner less time to try to
bring up a different bill, really trying to jam the u.s. house of representatives. however, from where we stand right now, from conversations i have had, house republicans are already limited this deal because they don't feel it does enough to address the president's health care law. so in theory, the conversations within the house republicans -- is thursday really the drop dead deadline? could we try to negotiate to get to something better that does more to the health care law that wouldn't necessarily leave us having to pass the senate's bill? perhaps that would spur them to act more quickly but you're starting to hear that maybe not thursday. maybe we could go into the weekend to try to get a better deal.
it's a fascinating dynamic. we always knew the house republican conference was not going like this. we have all gone along thursday, there is some folks right there who may drag this on further and the leadership might not have control of it. >> what's your analysis of the moving parts of the deal as it is being currently described? >> the fundamental change is they are taking a process that began as an argument over obama care. they are trying to make it an argument over see questions trags. the timing of the deal is that the government is funded. but the debt ceiling is raised until after that. the reason they chose january 15
is that's the day when the next set of the sequester cuts begin. today in the washington post, abc news poll, their disapproval is up to 74%. they're not going to want to have another shut down. they're going to create this process that i think will end in mid december. the hope is that they can use that to replace or change or modify sequestration. democrats really hate that. >> mark, i have so many questions for you tonight. having worked in the treasury and watched the way these calculations are made about when will we hit the debt ceiling
exactly even if we use all of our tricks, what would you say to house republicans who are saying tonight do we really hit some dramatic point on thursday? >> right, well there is a lot of misunderstanding about that date. the important thing to know is the 17th is the day after which treasury can no longer guarantee that it can make all payments. and since we have had a shut down, maybe he will have a little more than that. this is kind of like the idea of driving with your car on empty, about to go into the desert and passing the last gas station intentional and say i will take my chances and maybe there will be another gas station on down the road in the desert. you just don't know how far you can make it. >> when you talked to members up there, what is your sense of how many are just plain disbelieving of everything that comes out of the treasury about this sort of thing.
>> i think there is a caucus of about 30 or so that we refer to as the suicide caucus. but they sincerely believe that with u.s. could default, the u.s. would be fine. remember, ted yoho said it might be a good thing for the u.s. to default. it would help us get our house in order. going back to when i covered this story and we had this show down the last time. when that 2010 class came in there were dozens upon dozens of republicans who came in who had never held office before. the lack of a fundamental understanding was to me, quite alarming to someone who had just taken one econ class. that mind set has not totally dissipated as we march towards this deadline on thursday. i think that is something that the leadership fears.
you will have this group saying we can keep fighting. we can keep fighting. we can keep fighting. what i am interested to see and we have talked about this before, is wall street starting to speak up. at what point do they say hey, we will not fund you at all. the democrats become the party of financial stability if you continue to do this. >> let's listen to bill o'reilly talking about one small piece of the affordable care act that might be in the deal that harry reid is working on. >> no obama care on the table in anyway shape or form? >> now there is a tax apparently in this agreement that the labor unions didn't like. it's called a re-insurance tax. >> so there is a little thing? but all the chaos about funding obama care, that's all gone?
>> ezra, how would you explain this to bill in simple terms. >> it is small. you are putting a tax and it will become a tax on insurance companies and you are using it to refund money to insurance companies and the reason is because you need to create a way for insurers not to pick the healthy people. the way you fund that up front is the re-insurance tax. they are delaying that. i'm not exactly sure if they will just make the money up out of the deficit. it's not a huge deal for the law. it would be a big deal if you cancelled re-insurance to begin with. >> mark, quickly before you go, i want to draw now on your senate experience when you were working in the democratic leader's office in the senate and you would have been there
tonight. describe for us what you think is going on in those offices and what you expect to see tomorrow. >> they are trying to hash out the last details that ezra just described. i think what they are probably most focused on is the hoops they need to go through in order to get this thing over to the house. that they have determined opposition on the part of cruz or anybody else. you can easily take four days before you get a bill over to the senate because there is a filibuster opportunity on the motion to proceed and a filibuster opportunity on the bill. >> luke, ezra, and mark, thank you all for joining me tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. >> coming up, ted cruz is ripping the republican party apart now with the help of sarah palin. and now why the owner of the
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shut down. the same government shut down that ted cruz helped happen. >> you look around and you see these barricades and you have to ask yourself is this anyway that a commander in chief would show his respect, his gratitude to our military? we will not be timid in calling out any who would use our vets as pawns in a political game. >> our veterans should be above politics. enough games! >> today yet another poll finds americans disapproving of the way the republicans have dealt with the budget negotiations. 74% disapprove. 33% approve while 63% approve for the president. joining me now is a senior
advisor for the campaign in '08. steve, we have a winner in the value voters summit presidential straw poll. ben carson tied. paul way, way down, rubio at 5%. at this time four years ago, the winner did not even run for president. >> there is no question that it's working. if you look at this political disaster that has unfolded, it may be a precur sur to the great issue.
is it possible for the party to abandon its tradition of nominating the most electable conservative. and we will see a rejection, the likes that we have not seen since 1964. it will not be the root of a conservative resurgence that takes place sometimes later. it will have a profoundly negative impact. >> john mccain asked the basic question this weekend. >> ted cruz is entitled to his views and he is very articulate and intelligent. the question is, should we
follow that leadership or should we go in other directions. >> as you know, when ever a senator says i respect senator so and so, the negative comes right after that. there is john mccain saying we should not be following ted cruz. >> he was looking at all of these awful polls he said we are living the dream. it's amazing. included a fact that i think is really important to republicans, which is this shut down lost republicans half of their own party. only 49% of republicans approve the shut down. 47% disapprove.
when you are throwing away half of your party, that ought to send you a message and following your own far right, the people at that rally who are not people who are going win a general election. so there ought to be a real soul searching of the party at the end of all of this if they are not to avoid the future that steve suggested with a blow out in 2016. >> i want to listen to someone else who spoke from that same microphone that sarah palin and ted cruz were handing back and forth. let's listen to what freedom watch founder had to say. >> i call upon all of you to wage a second american non-violent revolution to use civil disobedience and demand that this president leave town.
to get out. to put the koran down, to get above his news and figuratively come out with his hands up. >> in fairness to cruz, i believe this is after he had left. he is appearing in a group that invites this kind of speech. >> larry is disgraceful. what he said yesterday was a disgrace. and ted cruz, despite the political disastrous path he has led the republican party down, he is a sitting united states senator. he has an absolute obligation having been at that rally to reputeuate that hate speech directly and clearly. that is extremist talk. it has no place in american politics in the discussions even though they are lively that they had back and forth. it should be reputeuated.
this is a very important question for republicans to ponder. how is it that a united states senator who has been there for eight mons was able to take the entire united states senate and if entirety of the conference down this politically disastrous path. republican parties have got to wake up and look in the mirror and do some soul searching. >> peter king has been extraordinary in this. he calls ted cruz a fraud more than once. i don't know if you remember anything quite like this within a party of this kind of attack ing it's just beens a stonicing to me.
>> i remember some of this but it always happened within the democratic party. but what is really striking is that if the collection that steve smith suggests, you're going to need a lot more of the non-right wing republicans. they have been incredibly timt they were two of the only people willing to say hold on this is a really bad strady. that they just hang back and are silent. and they cannot let themselves get intimidated any more.
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>> in the spotlight tonight, the obama haters. a protest at the closed world war ii memorial sunday, tea partier and founder of freedom watch knew exactly how to please that crowd. >> we are now ruled by a president who bows down to allah. i call upon all of you to wage a second american non-violent revolution to use civil disobedience and to demand that this president leave town. get out. to put the down and come out
with his hands up. associate professor at columbia university. your reaction to what we just heard? >> many of us have been saying that this kind of racism and open blatant disrespect for this president has become far too commonplace since he became president. that is just but one example. we have heard this. and why hasn't anyone on the republican side. where were the people to stand up and say you know what? you're going too far. there is a level of acceptable racism. that is part of what he was spewing because as powell has
said, so what if he is muslim. he's a christian. >> we had a statement from ted cruz, which i have misplaced. he just said it's unfortunate that the media is distracted by the other speakers at this event instead of me. >> that's not surprising because ted cruz is not speaking to this audience. racial resentment is a key motivator. what larry looked like to me is the pair noid style. he is exhibiting that pair noid style of this experience and president obama he epitomizes that conspiracy. and also it happens to be in the case of the first african-american.
it's partly the paranoid style. >> the control room is going to pop up ted cruz's statement on screen and someone with better eyes than i can read. that there we are. it's unfortunate the media has allowed one person's misguided actions to distract from the real purpose for countless veterans to rally in d.c., to urge their government to fund veterans which senator cruz continues fighting for. so there is your denunciation from ted cruz. >> what a coward. there were parts of the people who were part of the million
veterans march group who had nothing to do with the tea partiers using veterans as a prop. give me a break. not to mention that ted cruz, he knows exactly what he is saying. he knows exactly what to say to stoke this base. he believes that that is his power within the republican party and the way you keep those people happy is you keep throwing out the red meat. >> i want to listen to republican congressman from virginia because this, karen, is what you say when you really disaprove. let's listen to this republican. >> my 90-year-old father, right now, a world war ii veteran, he is listening right now, and he raised me to say it's always the president.
the president of the united states. we respect the office and that type of language is harmful to our country and it's what's pulling us apart. civility is not weakness. >> ted cruz, i don't think, is ever going to talk about someone who gets applause at tea party events like that. >> ted is a very smart man. this is a guy who went to harvard. he is the head of the neoconfederate caucus of the senate. he is not going repudiate any kind of racial resentment expressed. he has a strategy here to ride that base possibly to the white house in his mind. of course he's not going to reputeuate that. it's successful politics for him. >> karen, there is more of what's going on. we have been wondering and dorian has research on this. we have been wondering what is this energy?
whatever it is from the left. but then there is also other energies that go into it besides the policy. we have been wondering what is behind all of this. there has been plenty of reason to suspect racial animosity and we're getting more and more of the evidence of that from these kinds of events. >> absolutely. and it's fear. to some degree, i look at that image from yesterday and it makes me think of some of the very infamous images from the 1960s when african-americans were just trying to register to vote. it was that kind of hatred. it has pushed us as a country to have to deal with it faster. we are becoming a majority minority country.
that is why you hear that language of taking our country back. what? days of slavery? that is all all very special coat language. it is all meant to keep these people fearful and keep us divided. >> i actually have more pieces of video. i wanted to use enough to get this conversation going but i am conflicted about how much light we shine on this horrible thing. it represents a time in this country when we were divided. >> coming up, the continuing diskras that is washington dc's
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>> washington playing dallas here tonight seems like an appropriate time to acknowledge the ongoing controversy about the name -- >> the name of the washington football team that needs to be rewritten immediately. if not sooner. if basic human decency, the name would have been changed 40 years ago at least.
you had to have slept through the 1960s civil rights movement which literally changed the american language in order to think that the name of the washington football team was harmless by 1974. at the beginning of the 960s, it was perfectly acceptable to refer to african-americans with slurs that speakers thought were harmless. the changes of racial labeling in this country then were quick and for many disor gented. all in the space of a few years and it was never acceptable to go back towards. even the once polite word became extinct.
who came up with it and when did they start using it? the name of the washington football team was invented by white guys in 1933 when the team was then located in boston. we don't have notes from the naming session so we don't know what else the owner vetoed. washington white skins? i doubt that made the list. when thinking of people of different races? the chances were 100%. bob costas offers an interesting insight. >> ask yourself what the equivalent would be if directed
towards african-americans, hispanics, asians or members of any other ethnic group. >> now we know no one actually has yellow skin but accuracy has never been part of racial slurs. the nfl commissioner says the team's name stands for strength, ourj, pride, and president of the united states. so they go out and buy football teams and being willing to lie at every turn for the goofy billionaire owners of the
football teams in the so called game of professional football. so the job these days includes lying. dan snyder actually did sleep through much of the 1960 when he was just an infant and a toddler. he was born in 1964. when dartmouth changed the name, dan schneider was only 10 years old. he was just a 10-year-old, understandably completely ignorant of the painful evolution of racial labelling in this country. now he remains just as ignorant
and so he has said we will never change the name of the team. we will never change the name. it's that simple. never. you can use caps. dan snyder is now the george wallace of the nfl. >> when i say segregation now, seg grags tomorrow and segregation forever. >> that was george wallace the year before dan snyder was born. just a couple of months after saying segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever. alabama governor george wallace stood in the doorway of the university of alabama trying to prevent the students to register at the university of alabama. and in that moex, the force of history overwhelmed george wallace.
pushed him aside and the university of alabama was integrated. the same thing will happen to dan snyder. the force of history will rush him and the name of his football team will be changed. and here is how easy it is to change that name. >> a number of teams mostly in the college ranks have changed their names in response to on jeks. the stanford cardinal and dartmoth big green were each the indians. and the miami of ohio redskins are now the redhawks. >> that's how easy it is to change the name but dan schneider says never. bob asked a question that dan should be forced to answer. >> if you were to walk into a gathering of native americans if you are on a reservation or
happened to come across a family of native americans and you began conversing with them, would you feel comfortable referring to them as redskins? >> the goofy billionaire owner of the dallas cowboys, jerry jones, thinks he has the perfect defense. jones said it would be a real mistake to think that dan who is jewish has a lack of sensitivity regarding somebody's feelings. i promise you that. well then i have this question for dan schneider. what are your favorite nicknames for jews that non-jews have come up with. if you think that those nicknames for jews are utterly reprehensible, what gives you the right to use and try to profit by a nickname invented by the same kind of people who came up with all of those nick naks
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>> jane is part of one of boston's best days after surviving one of its worst. on april 15 her and her family watched the finish of the boston marathon just feet away from where the deadly bomb was planted. the explosion killed her 8-year-old brother martin. left her mom with a head injury and sight in only one eye. her dad suffered shrapnel wound, burns and hearing loss and jane lost her left leg. in the red sox first home game after the bombing, david ortiz, big papi to red sox nation rallied a shattered by defiant crowd. >> this is our [ bleep ] city. and nobody going to hurt united states. >> reporter: fate put the big man and the little girl in the spotlight again. with the bases full, ortiz unloaded hitting a grand slam home run to tie the game. even one of boston's finest