tv The Last Word MSNBC October 24, 2013 10:00pm-11:00pm EDT
of tweets almost broke the internet. matzzie tweeted. getting off the train soon, somebody e-mail my wife. rider tom matzzie for having the courage to live tweet about the former top spy in the world for letting us all know what michael hayden hides behind when he talks smack. you, tom matz zichzie, you are best new thing in the world. amazing story. time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. have a great night. republicans used to be very forgiving about glitches in government programs. you know government programs like the war in iraq, or the rollout of medicare part d under president bush. but that was then. and president obama is now. >> congress gets its first chance to ask the tough questions. >> today's heated congressional hearings. >> grab your pitchfork. >> on the problems. >> once again here we have, my republican colleagues trying to
scare everybody. >> you have no privacy. >> that is a system that failed. >> look at how bad obama care is. >> it all appears part of a republican strategy. >> first it was go pass the law, repeal the law. delay the law. now they use the hearings to pick it apart. >> this thing may not be ready. >> you have no privacy. >> we want a delay until we get it right. >> the beginning of problems. >> weeks of glitches, errors, failures. >> or medicare part d. >> any time washington pass is a new law some times transition period can be interesting. >> a lot of republicans on the committee were also on the committee with the medicare part d rollout. >> we are just getting started here. president obama is trying to get back on course. >> we should pass immigration reform. >> the immigration reform push. >> good for our economy. we should do it this year. >> is there a chance, something anything scud happen before the end of this year. >> that does not actually get d. >> the shut down was run
beautifully. >> this is washington after all. i just leave this is the right thing to do. ♪ today contractors for the federal website of affordable care act testified about the problems the website has been plagued with. one republican representative tim murphy of pennsylvania could not have been more sympathetic. >> any time something is new there is going to be some glitches, all of us when our children were new, well we knew as parents we didn't exactly know everything we were doing. and we had a foul up or two. but we persevered and our children turned out well. even no matter what one does. >> no, no, no. wait. wait. wait. nope. >> as we were signing up, 27 million seen dwreniors. >> no, no, no. some one in the control room who i promise will be fired by the
next commercial break, pressed the wrong button once again. that was representative murphy in 2006. when he was defending the technical problems with the launch of medicare part d, which of course republican president bush pro posed and signed into law without paying for it. and which of course republican representative tim murphy voted for. now here is republican representative tim murphy today. being perfectly consistent and defending the startup of affordable care act. i mean what choice does he possibly have, because he said that thing before, when it was a new republican health care program. he said, quote, any time something is new, there is going to be some glitches. he is going to lead with that again today. right? he's got to. >> we were promised a website where people could easily compare plans and costs.
$500 million later we find the american public have been -- dumped with the ultimate cash for clunkers. except they had to pay the cash and still got the clunker. congress should press pause on the tech surge and figure out what went wrong first before throwing good money after bad and forcing the public to use a broken site. in addition to explaining why this disaster happened, we want an explanation on how this system will be fixed, what it will cost. how long it will take. after footing the bill the american people deserve something that works or start over. >> wow. what happened to that guy? i like the younger version of that guy. let's look at him. here he is again. just 7 years ago, defending a republican president's new health care program and make everyone understand when you try something like this as he said there is going to be glitches. 2006, four months after the
launch. >> no matter what one does in life, when it is something new and learning the ropes of it, it will take an adjustment. when we were signing up, 27 million seeners, years seniors few glitches for some folks who were due eligible. the point is, hhs, or the medicare responded. put extra people on board. worked out some of the glitches. >> today, tim murphy, and all the other republicans on the committee who had no intention of giving president obama four months to work out the glitches in his new health care program -- some democrats though -- have not forgotten what their republican friend had to say back in 2006. >> i was on this committee in 2006, when medicare part d was implemented during the bush administration. let's not forget what a mess it was. and the significant problem
seniors had with registering for the new benefit. but i also want to remind my colleagues, on both sides of the aisle. that the difficulties passed and were soon forgotten amid the success of part d. >> at the white house today, jay carney said the administration expected glitches in the rollout but didn't expect anything like this. >> as we have been discussing now for some time, we knew and -- and said prior to october 1st, that there would be some -- glitches or hiccups or problems with the rollout of a large scale complex website like health care.gov. what we did not know was that we would encounter the kind of and scale of problem that we have seen. and that's unacceptable. what we -- what we learned upon launch is that the problems with the site were greater than we expected, anticipated, significantly. and significant work needed to be done to fix the problems
that. 's wh -- that's what is happening. we are 3 1/2 weeks into a 6 month process. the teams in place are making progress every day. >> well, alex wagner, you cannot, don't try it -- you cannot accuse the republicans of pulling out their old 2006 talking points on new health care programs. >> did you ever think there would be a time we wished for old republican talking points, lawrence? >> yes, this is that day. it has come. >> this is the time. you said earlier what happened to that guy? what happened to that party? i mean under previous republican presidents the gop supported the individual mandate, immigration reform, they believed in climate change. they passed farm bills, i mean, that party is gone. but what we saw today in congress was, was hypocrisy that is breathtaking in its shamelessness. and it makes me sort of think, if only barack obama and joe biden, this halloween, found a george w. bush mask and a dick
cheney mask, maybe we could resolve all of these problems because republicans would finally give things a chance to succeed. >> all right, i am where the republicans were in 2006 on this thing. i'm giving them time. i don't know how big this problem is. it could be big. it could disappear quickly. no idea. i mean that's why you give these things time. >> yeah, i think alex hit on something key here, which is, we are not talking about just campaigning where hypocrisy is something the public expects. they want up there today and they said they were here to oversee this program. that's not what they did. they are undermining it. that's what this is about. we know that from all of the voluminous record, trying to shut the government down to stop the program. to repealing it. that is what is frustrating abut this. people who actually care about it are having a different conversation which is not, oh, day one wasn't perfect. so this whole thing -- must be useless. but rather, what can we actually do with the oversight process, and the technical improvements
that most web sites go through because most things don't launch perfectly on day one. what can we do to build that out? the other point here that helps the republicans in the short term politics but won't long term because they overplay it. broken website. easy attack. something you and i have discussed you reported on extensively. the fact that the supreme court create aid bad a bailout, so thd get away from supplying poor care with medicaid, medicare, harder, takes a while to reference it. broken website. an easy attack. long term they don't have credibility on this issue. >> if there is an investigation going on. daryl issa wants a part of it. his name came up at the hearing. let's listen to this. >> monday, congressman, daryl issa, chairman of the house oversight committee wrote a letter publicly released accusing the white house of injecting politics into the decision about the website. according to issa's press
release the white house made the political decision to mask the sticker shock of obama care to the american people. a very serious allegation for the chairman of an oversight committee off to make such a callus accusation. based on the meeting with your company last week, mr. issa's letter, wrote that evidence is mounting that political considerations motivated this decision. do you have any knowledge of any white house role in specific decisions relating to the website. >> not to my knowledge. >> are you aware of any political intervention by this white house relating to your work on healthcare.gov. >> i am not. >> alex wagner, daryl issa, there he goes again. they haven't figured out how to do a letter or press release there that doesn't prejudice whatever it is that they're about to look into. >> like the pink panther of the gop strikes again. it's amazing -- surprisingly
daryl issa is hitting this thing, the pinata, hoping candy will rain down onto the floor. i think if democrats play this right. i think there is a play to be made here. it is to really focus on the legitimate shortcomings and problems "glitches" and investigate how to fix them. b because that will really take the wind out of the sails of the gop. what they're doing right now is so crass, so craven, and so transparentally political on the right-hand side of the aisle to undermine and unwind the thing. they don't care about fixing it. if democrats can make a concerted effort to fix it and to ask the questions that need to be answered, the gop has no ground left to stand on. >> yeah, that's what i liked about jay carney's presentation today. sounded like a serious representative of a serious administration. that knows they have a serious problem that they're treating seriously. just a very straight, clear, thing that he was trying to deliver that message. you know, we take this very
seriously. >> yeah, i think they do. they have announced initiatives including holding daily briefings at hhs level to work on this. and what do they have in return? yeah, the scorched earth campaign or the idea that health and human services secretary should resign over week one of the website. this is the party that is supposed to be good with business. you wouldn't manage your portfolio this way, right. that would be day trading you. would want to look at the longer trend lines. it is true if in a year or two from now, people have no ability to getten a ein and access the exchanges that would be concerning. as we know from the massachusetts example and other states. higher enrollment s come later s deadlines come up. ironically, the administration has been more than willing. issa's political allegations. the white house moved deadlines because it is the right thing to do even though to the casual observer they will say wait a minute what about people who want to delay this to kill it. i take that as a sign that
they're putting the practice of governing above any short term bumper sticker. >> alex wagner, what is your sense of how much time the administration has on this before they need to be able to show some real progress? >> i mean, i just have -- i know they are doing daily briefings on progress in terms of fixing the glitches and reminded of the b.p. oil spill which lasted for so long, lawrence, every day that went by, it sort of, to pardon the pun "drilled down into the american administration" just how bad things were. i think they have a couple of weeks. i really mean when i say a couple. close tire two r to two or three or six. sounds like progress being made. a bit of transparency and asking the right questions will help their case in all of this. >> alex and ari, thank you both for joining me. >> thank you, lawrence. >> coming up -- republicans have been trying to win over young voters since karl rove was a young voter. we will show you karl rove 40 years ago when he was unrecognizable under all that
hair. and tell you what republicans new strategy is for young voters. hint, obama care of course. the texas attorney general says texas needs a crazy new voter i.d. law to stop voter fraud. but his own statistics show there really is no voter fraud in texas. and in the "rewrite" exactly one republican senator traveled up the road to new jersey from washington to campaign against cory booker. and now senator-elect cory booker says he wants to work with that republican senator. will cory booker and rand paul become the senate's batman and robin fighting against the war on drugs? and yes, rand paul would definitely be robin. ♪ from the classic lines to the elegant trim in each and every piece, kohler will make your reality a dream.
associate pastor, of course, at a church in atlanta. and he has found some one to blame for his failure to be president of the united states. the media and the devil. herman cain told editor of "real clear religion" that media did not do their due diligence to discredit women who accused him of sexual misconduct and he believes the devil actually orchestrated all of those allegations. no word from him on why god didn't lend him a hand in his battle with the devil. >> up next -- republicans think the failure of affordable care act website can actually help them get young voters. we'll talk to young voters. it's next! ♪ don't you ♪ don't you wanna, wanna ♪ don't you ♪ don't you want to see me flaunt what i got? ♪ oh.
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time. during the nixon re-election campaign, dan rather interviewed republican national committee college director, a very, very young, almost unrecognizable karl rove. >> from the basement of party headquarters, the operation aimed at embarrassing pundit whose say nixon does ant pale to youth. >> first, voter registration the most important function we are undertaking now. you can't get a 35-year-old to teach the republican party how to get to young people. you just can't rely upon it. young people have got to reach other young people. that's what we are seeking to do. >> so cute. republican presidential candidates have won the youth vote in past elections. but democrats have been winning young voters in every presidential election since 1992. barack obama set a regard by winning 66% of the young vote. the highest percentage ever. but according to the national journal, republicans have a new strategy for going after the youth vote. what if millennials hate obama
care. they need young voters so they're searching for a way to exploit the aca rollout. joining me now, my favorite millenials, host of msnbc's "up" on saturday/sunday morning. and director of global youth issues for the state department, who is now with msnbc. steve, trying to look into your hearts to see if i see the fiscal conservative. >> i looked up before the show, the deaf ngs finition is 1992. i am not a millenial. >> we have one millenial. >> so one.
just stay quiet for the rest. >> what do you make of that appeal? >> yes, obama any youth lead is down versus where he was in 2008. so are his overall numbers. the fact is that this attempt to capitalize on youth skepticism for party specific gain has a long history of failure. you didn't have to look far back. look at the nsa likes tremendous anti-government sentiment, where the numbers tracked to age with young people skeptical and pro li leak. no republican or any one was able to capitalize on that and turn night political gains. >> let's look at video from last night's "daily show" which shows another problem republicans have with the youth vote. here is a republican official in north carolina talking about their new voter id law. >> right here in the county there is one or two that voted twice a year.
>> one or two million people? >> no, one or two people. >> one or two out of how many? >> one or two out of 60,000. >> statistically there is enough voter fraud to sway zero elections. >> that's not the point. >> steve, which young people? i think you are close enough to them, to give me an assessment, how many young people want to be on that guy's side? >> that, i will tell you what? the longer term. want to look at. since i am from the older generation here. speak further in the past. the pattern of history, voter behavior, political science, voter behavior tends to get locked in around the time people are 18, late teens early 20s. so you had a whole generation. >> like toothpaste selection. choose your toothpaste. >> created jen ration generatio democrats. reagan, 1984, the products of that. problem for the republicans is not lose young voters now, the
prospect of losing the generation, two generations for elections to come. one of the smartest things republicans have said, came out of the republican reflection on the 2012 elections they looked at 2012. looked at that youth voter, you know massacre. they said, that there are cultural issues that are gateway issues to youth voters. an issue like gay marriage. the republican party has taken an inflexible position on it, at a base line level, alienates young voters. they won't listen to anything else. won't listen to affordable care act, obama care, tax message. culturally this is not a party. not a party we want to be a part of. until the republican party addresses that at a base line level. you can't get into talking about obama care. >> that is right. you make an interesting point about young people that grew up with reagan in power. young people that grew up with george w. bush in power, and witnessed wedge issues, laid waste to.
a lot of liberal social policy related issues they think of their childhood as an era in which the republican party was out of touch with them. >> steve, to this point of where this issue they think obama care is the way to get the youth vote. if that is on the list if you could some how get it on the list of ways of drawing the youth vote. what number would it be? if, if same-sex marriage is up here some where, where does that come in? like 20? >> here is the other thing about that. look, let's say the republican case on obama care, it is going to be this great big disaster. say it doesn't work. a problem with every demographic group for the democrats. if it is not a clear cut disaster. if this thing works on some level. becomes the approximately see we sort of, you know, sort of the future. the least lakely group to be alienated are young voters. if you are up to age 26, you are on your parents' policy. talk to anybody under 30. what do you know about obama care, affordable care act, the first thing, i know if i am 25,
24, i can be on my parents' approximately see. talking about, republicans, obama failed, the unemployment rate is high among young people. this will help young people. a lot of college debt. can't afford health insurance. don't have jobs, this is something providing a benefit for them. the republican complaint about obama care is, really a message that is geared more towards middle age, middle-class people. your taxes are higher. you are paying for moochers. that's the message. not geared for young people who will benefit. >> you mention unemeployment. a kinard, democrat, if they let it distract from unemployment. a problem for the democratic party. numbers in the whack ake of the down. the shut down eroded confidence in the government. and at 11% for youth figures. unemployment. a genuine problem they will not roll with in the way they will the technical issues.
>> steve, the last word goes to the millenial. >> generation x. >> old steve, and young rowan. thank you beth veoth very much. >> thank you, sir. >> coming up. what do cory booker and rand paul have in common? they hate the war on drugs. that's in the "rewrite." first, texas republicans are pretending the state has the a voter fraud problem. and their solution is to make it harder for women to vote. that's next. the founder of mz once wrote something on a sheet of paper and placed it in his factory for all to see. ♪ four simple words where the meaning has never been lost. the challenge always accepted. and the calling forever answered. ♪ introducing the all-new 2014 s-class. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. introducing the all-new 2014 s-class. always go the extra mile. to treat my low testosterone, i did my research.
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>> my driver's license which i have had for 52 years has my maiden name as my middle name. and my every other valid legal document i have has my birth middle name which is lee. so it was not identical. and the election official told me it had to be identical. i was surprised that what i had done for 49 years was not sufficient to vote at this time. >> that was texas judge sandra watts whose photo i.d. was challenged in her own courthouse on monday due to the new voter i.d. law in texas. the election officials there know her. but still, they forced judge watts to sign an affidavit attesting that she is who they already knew her to be. in order for her to cast a vote. in the spotlight tonight, texas versus women voters. supporters of the new voter i.d. law in texas tried to defend it
on the basis that it will stop voter fraud. voter fraud that is virtually nonexistent. one defender of the law is texas republican attorney general greg abbott who will likely run against wendy davis for governor. attorney general abbott says in texas evidence of voter fraud abounds. but the "dallas morning news" proved that to be untrue. by reporting that abbott has pursued 66 people on charges of voting irregularities since 2004. only four cases involved someone illegally casting a ballot at a polling place where a picture id would have prevented it. judge watts doubts that she would be able to vote if election officials in her own courthouse didn't know who she is. >> my name is mathisen. my legal name is sandra lee.
sandra mathisen. is that substantially the same? an election official in a different county may decide it is not. then i will be given the opportunity to go to provisional ballot which in effect says i must show up six days later with this appropriate i.d. even if i follow procedures on the ballot, section d, that section, bottom line is it may not count. >> joining me now, texas state senator, latisha van der pute and sarah slayman, a democratic activist in texas currently campaigning for wendy davis. senator, i have to ask you, do you know if you have the right i.d.s for voting in your state? >> well i am not sure. if it has to be exact, ascoreding to interpretation of election judges i think i will be one of the willwill -- woment
will be forced to sign an affidavit. we tried several different amendments. we were able to convince our republican colleagues to do one. that is to allow women to -- to sign an affidavit if it is substantially similar. but what we have found, since we are in early voting for the november cycle, is that just today in san antonio, a retired principal who had been voting for 42 years, was required to sign an affidavit. this is really an undue burden on women. why on earth would my republican leadership. either they're afraid of women voters or afraid of women voting. >> sarah slayman. welcome back to the show. but we just heard here is a senator who is not sure. we have a lauf that leaves the senator unsure -- we have a law that leaves the senator unsure if she has the correct
credentials for voting. >> absolutely. my 63-year-old mother is included in women that will be challenged this election season. voter registration includes her first name she doesn't go by. includes her maiden name. the idea of my 63-year-old mother voting in texas since 1964, being challenged, infuriates me. in texas, houston texas, we have been dealing with voter intimidation for quite a while. in 2010, the king street patriots, true the vote, conservative voter intimidation group started here in houston. >> senator, i have to go back to you on this. clearly you are going to vote. you are determined. you will know huh to exercise your rights and get through the process. but there are other women out there in texas tonight who are sitting there, unsure that they have the correct credentials for voting. they don't have all of the time in the world to vote. perhaps on election day, 20 minutes from their work and
family lives to do this. if they run into this kind of trouble, many of them will not be able to pursue full remedies. >> that's why the voter id bill in the first place, was very, very foolish. no instances. votes cast for people that may have cast a ballot in person, that impersonates some one else. but for women who chose to take their husband's names, like i did, proudly, to take van de putte from san miguel. i don't think my documents will match up. i will sign an affidavit. what's important for lady to remember. go vote. make sure that you sign that affidavit. and if you can't, you, you please sign that provisional ballot. it is important for you not to leave that voting site until you vote. that's the message we want to get out. is, please go vote.
please make sure that you do this. don't let the republican leadership that has been so misguided deter you from exercising your constitutional right to vote. >> sarah slaman, you are helping with the wendy davis campaign. it makes me wonder when it comes to it, under this law, will, will there have to be a -- a part of the campaign be a voter they have to go through in casting their votes? >> this year in texas we have been blessed with battleground texas. phase one initiative has been registering voters and i.d. education we have been talking about. this is especially important for all the young new millenial voters you were talking about. hispanics in texas are two times likely not to have a driver's license, student ids will not be accepted. if the student has a concealed carry license they can vote. with student id, they will not
be able to. that's not something the average college student will know. the wendy davis campaign, battleground texas, league of women voters, these are going to be central to the voting education that sadly unnecessary. as you referenced and the senator referenced, our attorney general, greg abbott can't find a factual breief. he references absentee ballot fraud. we are talking i.d. fraud. another example of failed state leadership. i help that every citizen in texas makes use of these organizations that i just mentioned, battleground texas, league of women voters, reach out to the folks they will help you learn to vote. >> the texas state senator and sarah slaman, thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you, lawrence. >> rand paul. cory booker share a passion about one thing. ending america's longest and most wasteful war, the war on drugs. that's coming up in "the rewrite." [ male announcer ] for the original salon genius,
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do that he is ready to work with some one who campaigned against him. >> there is 15,000 people out of work in newark. one in three people in newark are living in poverty. and cory booker has got an imaginary friend. >> tea party loser could not get another republican senator to come to new jersey to campaign against cory booker whose ultimate victory in the senate race was never in doubt. the only other recognizable republican he could lure to new jersey was that champion of lost causes, sarah palin. after he won, the first thing that senator-elect cory booker said, about the only republican senator who came to new jersey to campaign against him was "i want to work with him." that's right, cory booker wants to work with rand paul. here is why. seven minutes after ridiculing cory booker in that speech you
just saw, rand paul said this. african-americans are being denied the wrote by driver's license. you know what they're denied the right to vote, they're being put in prison for felons, and kept there. i'm not for your white kid, black kid, brown kid using drugs not a good idea. a youthful mistake should not keep you out of the marketplace able to get a job should not prevent the right to vote for the rest of your life when you didn't hurt anybody but yourself >> did you hear that. rand paul got applause from a republican audience for complaining about what the war on drugs has done to the incarceration rate of young african-american men. and if cory booker had been there he would have led the applause. >> we're not making our nation safer, with this assault on the drug war, we're not making our
state less addictive to substances. we need to change, radically change the national conversation and begin to talk about drugs, drugs like pot in a different way. >> rand paul is one of the precious few washington politicians who has already been participating in that national conversation. here he is, seven months ago. >> we also don't want to put people in jail who make a mistake. a lot of young people who do this, later in their 20s they grow up, get married. they quit doing things like this. i don't want to put them in jail and ruin their lives. the last two presidents could have been put in jail for their drug use. and i really think, you know look what would have happened. would have ruined their lives. they got lucky. a lot of poor kids in the inner city don't get lucky, don't have good attorneys and they go to jail for these things. i think it is a big mistake. >> here is senator rand paul in september. >> if i told you that one out of three african-american males is
forbidden by law from voting, you might think i was talking about jim crow 50 years ago. yet today a third of african-american males are still prevented from voting because of the war on drugs. >> cory booker believes the place to begin the war on the war on drugs, legislatively is eliminating the mandatory minimum sentencing laws that are imprisoning young men for minor drug crime. he intend to push it, the politically smart way, as a way of cutting government spending. rand paul responded to cory booker's public declaration that he wants to work with him by issuing a statement saying -- senator paul would be pleased to work with any member who believes that mandatory minimum sentencing is unnecessary. he looks forward to senator booker's assistance on this important issue. cory booker has called the war on drugs, "big, overgrown government at its worst." mass incarceration is very, very
expensive. and cutting government spending is rand paul's top priority. it is supposed to be the top priority of all republicans. if rand paul, one of the most conservative members of the senate, teams up on this issue with cory booker, the senate's newest liberal, we're going to find out how many republican senators are really opposed to big, overgrown government at its worst. a can of del monte green beans?
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burn is the establishment republican in the race and there is good news for establishment republicans in a national journal report today. which says, establishment republicans are preparing to attack ultraconservative idea l logues. hopefully beat the not out of them said former representative steve latourette of ohio whose group, defending main street aims to raise $8 million to fend off tea party challenges against mainstream republican cumbents. we will be very aggressive and we are going to get in their faces. joining me now, former congressman steve latourette of ohio who've is now going to get mine face. steve, i guess, i was going to begin by saying what took so long? because this tea party phenomenon has been going on for
a few years now. seems like it took a couple election cycles, christine o'donnell cycle, the phenomenon where you lost senate seats because of it. to get this kind of, calling it "establishment opposition" going? >> that's right. we were slow off to the dance. we were obeying what -- ronald reagan used to call the 11th commandment. we weren't speaking of ill of other republicans. but we were getting our lunch handed to us. well-financed groups were coming in taking it to senate right republicans. and it is almost like a salem witch-hunt, where, there is a litmus test, are you a witch? not a witch? good republican? bad republican? as you correctly point out the only witch nominated was in delaware against the center right candidate mike castle. we saw how that worked out. >> right. what should, what would you say to democrats that they should hope for in this fight? because a lot of democrats were very, very happy to see the christine o'donnell nomination,
see a bunch of tee party na par nominations that's the way they won the senate seats. what do you say about that? >> what i say about that is if democrats are reveling in the disarray that the republican party find itself in at the moment. they're mistaken. my belief is the country works best when you have two strong political parties who advance coherent, cogent arguments and the people can pick between the two of them. and god forbid you should have to work with one another off to find the cool mon ground ammon solution. democrats who would look to have the levers of power and run it their own way. that doesn't always work so well. if you have a weak sister party as the the democrats were in the 70s and then, into the early 80s, and now the republicans are in 2013, i don't think it is good for the country. >> an extra ordinary report in "the washington post" this week about the predicament, senator mike lee, freshman, find hem self in utah among this own
supporters. facing a revolt. they said spencer wick, the national finance chairman for mitt romney in 2012 said business leaders i take to man of whom supported him would never support his re-election and in fact will work against him, myself included. steve, this is starting to feel, you know with you on one side, one part of the country, this thing going on in utah. starting to feel like a real movement in the republican party, much the way the tea party was a rising movement? >> well, yeah. i don't know if it will get to the fer os teaocity. in utah, in michigan where a couple tea party elected representatives are being challenged by business people. go up to alaska for god's sakes, you have two senate right candidates running in that senate seat. in south dakota. and you know, people in business that, that, are interested in government, and are republicans by and large, when you have a public opinion survey that says more americans are in favor of
head lice than, than house republicans, we got to do something. we want our party back. and -- i think you are going to see a lot of people step up to the plate in these midterm elections and try to get our party back. >> alternative steve, trying to appeal to the pro head lice voter. >> they have a very strong lobby, very strong lobby, lawrence. >> steve, there is a clock ticking on this, it seems. i've mean, with all of the polling we are seeing now. unless something changes in the news and politics, as many things will, surely between now and the congressional election. republicans are going to be under a lot of pressure in this next congressional election. >> well, they are. i will tell you after redistricting in 2010, the saving grace for house republicans are that the districts are configured in such a way it would all most take a miracle for democrats to regain the majority in that chamber. you know what? they would have given you
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