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place already seen on this with tragedy the world witnessed another disaster that left the country devastated. but united two nations in grief. question more. if you just join us for a welcome this is all taken with a live from the russian capital with twenty four hours a day top stories now this hour a finnish priest is charged with inciting racial hatred after giving an interview with us see. the man behind a string of deadly bombings in russia. nato air strikes have hit a rebel tank position in the air with up to fifty deaths reported major gadhafi controlled oilfield there's also a sense of being destroyed by the coalition calling the true motives of the lance
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into question. and portugal turns the e.u. to drag it out of a financial black hole threatening to roles waves of anger among european taxpayers who have to foot yet another bailout bill. with more news for us and thirty minutes from now in the meantime it's part two of our special report on the infamous guantanamo bay detention center the filmmakers pieced together de classified documents and interviews with released inmates and former interrogators to try to get a true picture of what's going on that's next. sure nelson is featured as a witness in an investigation about the photos apparently he also worked at guantanamo when the request for tougher methods was sent. he agrees to meet with us and explain the methods used there. between one thousand change of scenery out and change of scenery down this is where you take
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a person out of the environment that are used to and if you put them in a change of scenery out there you put them in a nicer area change of scenery down i mean if you're going to put them into an isolation chamber cold conditions face lab stomach slack if you can hit them enough so that it shocks them especially if it gets allowance laugh but you don't actually break any bones cut them bruise them and that's an effective technique is the way that they would you sure first it as the putting is actually placed over their head. and the interrogator. shouts their questions at him through the through the hood a prolonged standing if they were to do it for five seconds it would be too much about other after five ten minutes it really starts to to wear down their physical resistance increased anxiety by use of aversions if they had full use of heights or of certain animals you might introduce that to make them uncomfortable you could
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use these techniques if you got ten people to maybe give you a little bit of information using these techniques i guarantee you i could get one person to give more information if i was to convince one person that we're the good guys and that we're their friends. throughout. the time that i was there there was pressure from above for results. they were worried about are you abiding by a change of the bench that was on the daily requests from higher command. requests that were coming down the pike while you were what information you got cooperation which sources have become key sources that's what they were results
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because their mentality was one of the we've got them in detention the more people we're going to get to play in just a matter of time to get these guys to brain. has guantanamo become a testing ground for interrogation techniques which are then exported to other places. it can't be a coincidence that the same things we see in photos from abu ghraib in iraq are described in the documents from guantanamo in cuba. but what is the connection and who exactly sent the requests to use tougher methods . it appears to be the same two star general who darcus had problems with. and if you look at the day the request was sent october eleventh. only two days after baucus left. and one month later
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neither barcus nor the two star general are still at the base. a new man has taken command general miller. the interrogation techniques that we use in j.p.s. kuantan are approved by the senior leadership of our government. shortly after miller took command rumsfeld personally approved the request for tougher interrogation methods he had only one objection to the inquiry requested permission to. force prisoners to stand in stress position for up to four hours. in the margin rumsfeld himself. i stand eight to ten hours a day. limited to just four hours. when i went back after he was soft. then short here and
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then ken miller who really. sort of started it harsher techniques. i believe had no difficulty with pushing. from his own office to get more results and that was that was. no decide this man wanted everybody to break. and believe that the only right that the people that down there kuantan him or that it was the right to give us intelligence that was the only right where in the business of winning the global war on terror we also conduct ourselves as americans always did everything goes on in camp delta as a representation of what we think makes america great. we decided to call it not because again this time he was more cooperative. back
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you know i called you actually a long time ago i time you didn't want to. talk. i'm not at liberty to give any if you did. there are so many rumors. that i bow to that we don't want to end. things he nag runway so what is the timeline for your story. was in order to speak freely with us permission from the pentagon ok and did he. give you permission to participate with you be available for an interview then i would make myself available correct ok really good we would that by. former commander. i mean. this case so you can you basically deny it to even to do i can't tell them what they preach that it's ok counsel like. we approve it in
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other words we are right and we applied. the right to do it. why does the pentagon want to silence baucus. who fired him and why. and who was it the took the interrogation methods from guantanamo cuba two hundred graves. maybe the answer can be found somewhere else. after the scandal now granted when the photos came out command of the prison camp was taken over by none other then general miller. miller was sent to arbitrate to clean up the mess after the scandal. the person miller replaces is general janis karpinski many consider her to be responsible for what went on in the prison in
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iraq since she was the commanding officer at the time and it was her soldiers posing in the pictures. jenny. kidding me yes that is an echo of this cultural sweden pirates are you know what it expected to shatter actually. i mean i know the stuff. maybe your area of interest but. you heard about the dispute between back because of the turkish and cakes. i think that that's why back fired it takes oh yes. and and see everybody down it on time ok i dare miller they were all required to sign
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a formal statement from the government which is called a non-disclosure statement and that means when they leave guantanamo bay they can't get anything that they. are heard or participated in i have to meet you if you live and i live in south carolina which is right on their own. rumor has it come pinsky is now in an open conflict with the army after being demoted and relieved of her title as a general. for the abuses in the prison she's been found not guilty but because three years ago she said to have shoplifted a perfume bottle she's even said to hate general miller and that she accuses him of the abuses in abu ghraib. like bankers she was chief over the military police and like him she also came in conflict with the interrogation leaders and just like
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baucus she was replaced by general miller could she know something about how interrogation methods developed at one time the mo could show up in photos from abu ghraib in iraq it's not a coincidence if the request for more aggressive if the memorandum was forwarded after backus left here's a guy who is trained as a military police officer knows geneva conventions knows crossing the line and knows the limitations and is forced to command that military police detention operations in guantanamo bay that he discovers or maybe in the process of his assignment there they determine the geneva conventions no longer apply down there have you met him but no i have not and he has been silent. it's almost eerie silence he's been with with with i mean suppose that i mean they're fired first and then he fired you why did you talk because i didn't sign
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a non-disclosure statement number one and number two i know the truth i don't know all of it obviously but i know the truth and i know i know what was going on in cell block one a b. and i know that they didn't let me know because they knew i would have screamed about it and i know that the m.p.'s that were there were directed to do what they did now someone senior to them made them to believe that it was ok. somebody who claimed to be an interrogator from up there he said ma'am the real purpose of those pictures was to make the interrogations easier. we all agreed it. feel like we were doing. things that we weren't supposed to because we were told. we think everything was justified because we were instructed to do this to.
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serve you know i was. feeling carrying anything else let me. talk to secretary of defense about this just morning like i said find the truth and then tell the iraqi people and the world the truth we are we have nothing to hide and we we we we we believe in transparency because we're a free society that's for free societies to. take any and all actions as may be needed to find out what happened and to see that appropriate steps are taken the investigation went quickly and the only ones prosecuted were the seven soldiers pictured in the photos of. the miller was sent in to clean up after the scandal yes i would like to personally apologize to the people of iraq. for chording to come pinsky general miller had already been in abu ghraib earlier before the pictures of
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abuse came out. he came from guantanamo on a secret mission general no one ever mentioned it over he found out later that he actually came on same plane as secretary of defense rumsfeld he did this in brief with the all of the interrogators in the commander of the military intelligence brigade and general feresten the people from her staff that were involved in interrogations and he started out by saying that he was there to assess their operation. to help them get to achieve more actionable intelligence i think you're a cheat a person too well. said you really need to treat them like dogs. if you treat them any better than that you for a fact control of the interrogation and before that meeting was over he said. with his with the lessons that they've learned. from guantanamo bay and in other
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locations he was going to get no ice. this is the report of the general miller and his seventeen experts from good model left after their visit to our graves just one month before the scandal broke out. here you can read his suggestions on how he would like to make the interrogations more effective for example he wanted to use the military police who previously were only used as prison guards to prepare the prisoners for interrogation. and here is an overhead found in a grave there's no one wants to take responsibility for the interrogation methods the same it's developed at guantanamo. and here is miller being questioned by a senator about his visit to abu ghraib before the documents came out. your team specifically briefed that these methods could be used in that prison contrary to.
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the methods contrary to that. were presented by the system stream. so you j.p.s. . everything started. getting control of that prison and knew what was going on out there it wouldn't have gone out there. even though karpinski and barkus lost control they both kept quiet as the new methods were introduced and maybe there are no real heroes in this story only people with more or less control and some people who seem to be outside of any control or regulation. when we read
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the documents we discover strange little detail. in the scandal surrounding abu ghraib it's not just soldiers in the investigation. and there were also civilians involved in the abuse against prisoners so-called contractors that for some reason were never brought to trial. what exactly is a contractor the man in the red tie is paul bremmer. he was generous karpinski his boss in iraq. the man walking beside him with a machine gun isn't a soldier he's a contractor from blackwater we're talking here about a mercenary we're talking about a hired. gun. and when you have in iraq. a man with a gun who is hired to use that weapon you're talking about a soldier without. there are no rules regulations governing the use
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the people. we wanted to get in touch with someone at blackwater and can explain to us what exactly a contractor giants. are trying to reach mr gray tabby success and i want to talk to regarding press issues . person i think. blackwater so many times that we've lost count but they don't seem to want to talk to us. but it appears that the coalition doesn't just use blackwater. the fact is there are over twenty thousand private contractors in iraq because due to the second largest force after the american army. and hundreds of firms around the world around private contractors. have. one search for the romanian security
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company. who are in bucharest. show us what their services include. we were in. private company in other countries west and west. well maybe it is. right. in the private system more mobility. away because the. poor over the world. have the rules it's not the left not the right. only. you know what we've got is a situation where we haven't thousands of the westerners in iraq using their weapons without any rules without any rules of engagement with anyone or behind it
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that is no result for less. than forty thousand marines were killed in one week not a single story appeared in the paper the coalition needs these people because they want to reduce their cash to. in a sense way using freelance. mercenaries as sound backs to protect not only our soldiers but the casualty figures and i thought it was. that's one tunnel do you think there were contractors there to contractors just started to be used right of towards the end of my tour. one time up and there was only one or two that i saw one when i left when we're talking about upgrades though the percentage goes from maybe five or ten percent of the overall force up to fifty percent of the actual interrogation and analysis force there you you were
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a degraded as soldier know and i'm great i was a civilian contractor. i mean literally this way think of it i'm confident unconventional war think of a conflict for example the one in iraq think of the bell kids think back to world war two when you take. people captive now to hold them during the course of hostilities there's a legal basis for that this is the same principle that is being applied the only difference is that we have an unconventional war where the word is against a private organization rather than a they state i mean let's look at this way think of it. unconventional war where the world is against the privatization. of the state that is given. to wears no. data does not mean we have here does not belong to
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responsible ok to do it is not knowledge also known as. the name of an unconventional war that is against the funding organization. in essence t.q. many people who don't believe that you just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. comes not can you tell them. still on on the sand the question she doesn't believe you one they don't believe you're. going to say what do you want to tell those who don't believe in you and your story . i hope other detainees who will be released later they will be able to explain in a stronger way. i mean this thing with afghanistan why were you there if
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. ok basically i'm a serial killer here we have camp for camp for open and in march beginning of march and the camp for is for detainees who are cooperating in the chains that are that are i'm getting closer to be released very soon it's. just left. what he plays it is we can hear from here ok the voices that are here are around the voices of detainees and the chance. to know one reason why you can hear him so well is because in the nighttime it's very quiet out here though not as many vehicles moving so because it's so quiet in the series you can hear the voices of the detainees. well it's
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a very somber day there units on a day with a certain what is a call what do they say they have the they have the opportunity to speak to one another so often. you know so i would imagine that you're talking to one another some of them may be praying some of them are just just talking and they may be talking to someone other down yelling yelling towards them so just normal conversation noon and sometimes you can hear prayer to call the prayer or just chattering in a prayer for trying. what
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happens to the prisoners still kept at guantanamo. and what happens to those who are released. there have been nearly four hundred some neat officers to guantanamo bay by more than one files and trials additionally some one hundred eighty congressional workers over tips have just sort of the facility. arguably no detention facility in the ship's truth for sure has been more transparent or we see more. of them. we've been at one time. and we still don't know what really happens inside them. but maybe that's not the most important thing because what we do know is enough. we know that there are still prisoners held inside there was lost their right to remain silent. and who don't even know if they are ever going to get out.
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knowing it one time i know it's going to be forty two dollars seventy two point matrix for stress and duress leads all types of question escalation levels being pulled harsher heat or cold withholding fooled putting for days at a time naked isolation in cold dark soldiers recorrect scared or korean correct ever have to carry forth. wealthy british style. market finance scandal. find out what's really happening to the global economy
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