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more news today violence is once again flared up. these are the images being from the streets of canada. giant corporations rule today. three thirty on a saturday afternoon here in moscow you without seen recapping our top stories dozens of police have been killed in syria as security forces opened fire on protesters on friday given the u.s. are threatening more sanctions on the government for the crackdown. songs and armored vehicles rolled into central moscow ahead of a major military displayed so what about what's coming up this weekend the parade on a red square that's going to be the highlight coming of the day celebrations and russia
. and the number of gun attacks in the u.s. schools and streets is not dampening the enthusiasm of thousands to defend the second amendment rights pro-gun lobby in the country argues that that freedom to carry weapons should even extended to taking them on to planes. almost seven decades thought to be end of the second world war public opinion in different countries remains a split over who contributed most to the victory that is the focus of discussion now and if you show up spotlight and i'll go off that's coming your way though.
hello again or welcome to spotlight. on r.t. i'm al green olives and today my guest on the show is killed or shall you more than sixty five years after the end of the nazi regime public opinion in different countries. who contributed most to the victory some praised are there how what others share the sacrifice between the allies others. who was at war with. how should we treat the world war two and what is the most balanced. here's the president of the moscow school of social and economic sciences. shortly after the liberation of paris and i said forty four pool held in france
show the people consider the soviet army is their main liberators now almost seventy years on people in europe seem to have a different viewpoint on this. believes there are a number of reasons he says while some countries value the world war two legacy the others nearly forget it so is the world war two becoming an i.q. topic at all interesting only for historians he was a guest. welcome to the show thank you very much for being with us today. first of all speaking about the history of world war two is it interesting today only for historians or should it be a matter of interest for wide open. it should be definitely. true . public opinion if the assessing. no doubt about it. to which extent it actually happens is an argument that people know quite
a lot of things they're on the minority and the people who. know about it look at sydney surprised to hear about facts which seemingly. well you know you thought in many countries and you lectured lectured people of different. where did you see the best knowledge of the history of the second world war and it's still your. list include russia they are supposed to put them in such places you do and. why because because why do you think because these were the countries that suffered a lot or because the communist propaganda. noising to begin v.t. to because you know family peace somebody which is usually a gram for example no longer felt their grandfather who was involved either getting
so shocked or just fighting. but zanny you have it. much closer to oneself it's like the living history when you hear the stories from the decision there's exactly zero in numbers of people who actually close. down as years go by so the ignorance is rising yes i sense a spotlight i asked people in the streets of washington london and paris which country contributed most to the victory of the nazis let's now listen to opinions from different parts of the world. be a chorus i mean they help the investing of the war and everything else i would say. the u.s. or france. france united states i think. they have.
enough to look. at and. think it will become a trend. in. sports because. it involves the longest told to the start i mean. really miracles. to money i think i. recently joined by my father was in the last. one because of him and his colleagues were here today russia being one of them and also just a source says they actually country quite a good deal to winning this or for. this in the first place england in the second the united states. and the third place i'd
say because of. my god. i have nothing to. do and why is the english in first place just because churchill was the leader who succeeded best in countering the germans i think. militarily it's the united states it's a jacket i think just after it's the soviet union after all it lost sixty to sixty two million civilians i think all countries which were massacred contributed to the victory of the nazis and i just. i don't know the mass without doubt. well i think i think the reason for the people praising the us is that finitely saving private ryan i mean the movie because it was fantastic and things like that i like true stories which people remember but i can understand that but what would you say why don't people know
a lot about the soviet contribution which was an. maybe we don't show was a side of the story in the russians no you can't show this side of the story you have to get. to people who know something about it and turn up on that basis some understanding from the. people because. into schools and universities is extremely limited and then they're counted thirty minute knowledge. go by more newspapers or something well i want a newspaper quote here it actually shows how the public opinion was changing how it was transformed ever since our after the war after nine hundred
forty four nine hundred forty five here's a quote from a french newspaper called diplomatic. in september one thousand nine hundred forty four right after paris had been liberated the reasons were pooled and which country contributed most to the recovery sixty one percent said it was the soviet union twenty nine percent thought it was the united states sixty years later the same pool organization asked the same question this time twenty percent said he was the soviet union and fifty eight percent of the united states after the reading of the red army continue to diminish. do you think of this is the reason i rather say do you think the reason for this is the cold war the post cold war no doubt that was the closest thing because it broke any possibility to get something of a balanced view of what was happening. and that was
enough. i would say there are some others about them because you mentioned things that were really happening on the ground during the war on the occupied territories near the fronts do western people people in the west today students do they have any idea of the german behavior of the behavior of the nazis are the atrocities and occupied. the majority doesn't matter because it's difficult to imagine. i mean the cruelty. of this. it's a normal englishman. would consider the human and impossible to imagine the full. i think that. that is sufficient to stop people from
inquiring considering something about. there is a very good quote from george orwell once wrote that who controls the present controls the past and who controls the past controls the future do you agree that people in power governments the presidents will always want to grab history and to control the history of their country and maybe author of the world no doubt to go to and do what i know for a fact is that the extent to which people of different companies which includes in your russia and england. know best is. fundamentally this stereotype of. defiance of what is happening there's a why are we trying to get support and get many get funding and the standing from
governments when we when we explore this we shouldn't shouldn't the work of historians be where de considered has destructive anti governmental. you know this is some two for one of it's not that people will stop talking he stood there will simply get even a worse information of the verse a deal of he's been. what is happening today mine. is vocal his turn is you useful because it gives a small. is independent and independent historian something that is possible today a person who is not who is not subsidized not funded not supported by government agencies. what is possible definitely is
a balance is the system that is somebody who assumes it's self-evident and. never once told the world history there's always several stores and the moment you accept that this follows. the standard of easter comes the moment people accept this. tribute is more than one is the two and one no one's ever he still. do you do you see a lot of people that look down. and note. the countries which have more of it and countries which have less of it and. levels of education because film although much here will have seen and followed some personal emotions especially by students i know the. people.
you know says turner a shining president of the moscow school of social and economic science says the spotlight will be back shortly after the break so stay with us we'll continue this interview in minutes. millions died. and minimums to look forward to be held and say. the pain and suffering will never be forgotten. as well as the joy of liberation.
era spring the nineteen forty five on our cheap. walkabouts the spotlight i'll get up in just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is terrible challis the president of the moscow school of social and economic sciences we're talking about the second world war the war. in which nazi germany was defeated by allies that were trying to understand why people today don't have enough knowledge back then which
should be well in the very beginning you said that they should and people should study that one isn't it time to forget for example you spoke about people telling the stories my granny never told me the stories about who she was that the french were she was in moscow she was under the shelling she she she saw people die next door in the streets and she never told the story and she never watched war movies she said i want to forget it i want you to forget it then she like this attitude towards tragic moments in history you know think it's along. on the home of a german or sings we would both of you but it is not good for us to forget it is not to know and to lose beauty to understand the future and clues are disturbing. in this sermon so to sing lost of the scholars.
this is the kind of company to get a long might. here. he. said the face of that is the feeling that you have to know because then you are. able to understand it of today and also. against some. which can happen still russia among the with its main winners in world war two but he said i understand who we are if we want to explain to the people of this country that we are a nation of winners his remember we were in the earth today of the sixty four. that you cannot because one has to save the. clan to roast the first. of people. who'd find them so
fighting against nazi he's. one of us to become to believe in into the hands of the german. food and all the things they used which was then promptly used against their sense of discipline to repurpose them because of and defecating and we also we were a country or with. which after nine hundred forty four after the end of the war watched as other countries first of all the united states took advantage of the results of this cause so this is the understand. the stories he's extremely important and by divvy it advocates that is to my belief. my students world would be historians and some of them. understand their early today
better other winners in a war is in general. if we look if we look a hundred two hundred thousand years into the history are there real winners in wars where not i think they're owed of you know. you can be understood to be. not a story. but pink story of everybody being believe or believe. he was but a bit he ended miserably at the yeah right he lost it clear last i mean i mean you have time to study them but because we know other people. didn't focus so the whole thing is to give people the complexity of the ality and as such it's an extremely useful exercise let's get back to to the state of the relationship of the states and historians like yourself in teaching history in remembering history what should be the role you set the historian should be independent he should be
balanced but what's the role of the state get all of the state of the terms understood that this of the on the governing first is interesting because the governments which will meet thirty balanced picture. of the past and their countries of it isn't permitted if you can't leave it is kind of typical and balanced and this novel way of looking at seeing scandinavia say to take an example that's a compass for people understand a little better using. it here. because i. thought. those things should be told one of the arguments is that knowledge good knowledge of the second world war the results of the second world war and the events of the second world war are a good argument against neo nazis today do you agree though that no doubt
it is an argument again not seasons of. it is also. a lesson in how. loose battles. because they did not know how to handle the situation and how to handle their little but what makes neo nazis and popular in russia it is becoming popular these days we should admit why in a country which you say has a good knowledge about the war we remember we remember the ones they still are but we see people like that marching in the streets of russian cities it's it has been exceedingly insufficient knowledge of what was being or. less of it in england. united states people go little about. a year we use
what you're saying is that the russian students knowledge of the war is not sufficient. no it's not in your opinion definitions of peace and perfectly willing because there's a lot of how you teach in this. ability good school a good university teaching a very vision of nice people listen to you because they say i want you to say on the one hand on the other on the one hand you see thirds of the other. the other way not to say what is true the british system of education is exemplary for many so then why would a greenish prince where the swastika to a nightclub you remember that thing is it is a just a joke or maybe these films and these these maybe here is knowledge makes a sort of but you know fancy trying to dress like. i think it's for. girls
stoopid. because. i have and this is a fanciful video and i don't i don't question the education inside the well family so yes so what should have happened to make the things better there are said to education reform. in girl fabric is not always the best of luck and we know it some diverts of the lives of so they often say themselves but never got the etiquette of the state because well maybe they're just being modest kids very modest and no i don't think so it may be some sort of modesty of acceptance is there a reason people in the streets of moscow let's go back to moscow are you know who made the greatest contribution to the victory in the second world war here are the words of people where. there is no doubt that russia contributed the
most to the victory over nothing germany i'm saying it not just because i'm russian myself but because it's true lost the most lines in the fourth from the very beginning until the end of the war unlikely allies we saved the world that's all there is to it yes that's. the most i think it was the u.s.s.r. because according to official data the u.s.s.r. lost the most soldiers nazi germany had its country the hardest as far as i know from history classes the allies participated a lot less than the u.s.s.r. . so you think the soviet union contributed to lose because the war was mainly on its territory and many people were killed in the west help too but this week three was important to everyone who will never forgive the names yes and they're still not for us i think a country that unfortunately no longer exists in the u.s.s.r. contributed the most to the victory over nazi germany why did it happen because the u.s.s.r. mobilized all its resources and freed not only its own territories but other
countries as well. i'm convinced that the soviet union contributed the most to the victory over nazi germany despite the actions of the country's leadership the soviet people won the war sacrificing millions of lives. well so here we have these opinions but people certainly know the main thing that we contributed that that that that most of the battles were on the russian soil but there are gaps in the knowledge of russians on the ng and especially i mean their knowledge of the role of the allies i think. piece of each was presented. is a very good to explain. much this knowledge she's lucky because the first sentence and because i noticed it was the. longest. unbelievably here we join to hear. you not
just merely over and over but because. steve did not think to become to a lot of. speech then later used against us as a matter of clarity as a matter of fact this was this was a very clever trick by the soviet propaganda because because they separated the great patriotic war of russia against germany from the second world war this war the great patriotic war the dates are forty one to me forty five and that's it. no problem no you know what africa and so on so this was the soviet propaganda trick to make the russian people believe that we were only we fought in the war and those capitalists they couldn't have been really our allies right. this is what we were taught when we went to school this if you do all of this is out of this young. kid
on the noise. and you clear. the. whole deal of just about trash thank you thank you very much for the weather so just to remind that my guest in the studio today was the president of the moscow school of social and economic studies and that's it for now from all of us here spotlight will be ferrety and take. thank you my pleasure i see about. emission free cretaceous three pounds for charges free. range minutes free risk free stews free.