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blog you don't want to be your for your media project a free media or god our t.v. dot com. no bad for a day's work the presidents of russia and china it's a multi-billion dollar trade deals with even more in the pipeline the two of finalizing a third t.-n. a multi-billion dollar gas deal as well as discussing international issues including media but. also there's no place for gadhafi in post-war levy and that's the message russia's these envoy delivered well meeting officials in tripoli talks to place and that fresh nato air strikes and believe in capital and rebel advance if along the coast. and america's role in the military intervention in the big could come to a grinding halt as congress threatens to block funds and accuses the white house of breaking the law lawmakers that hear isabel makes them to the u.s.
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commitment to their operation without their consent which they claim intervenes they will powerless. and we'll have more on president obama's battle with congress over libor next sunday i don't know. for the see we've gone to. the biggest issues get the invoice face to face with the news makers . welcome to the lower show we'll get the real headlines with none of the marcy regular live in washington d.c. now that i will take a look at the legal debate surrounding the war in libya ten members of congress are suing at the white house has released its own guidelines saying that they don't need no stinking congressional approval so who is right then we'll speak to an
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activist whose home was raided by the f.b.i. last year that's fighting back but first let's take a look at what the mainstream media is covering while missing these bigger stories . well it seems like there is no happy ending for wiener gate this morning all new it was interrupted on every single channel for a breaking news announcement if you're here to ask a question about congressman weiner i won't be answering any i've made the statements i'm going to make it's my understanding that later in the day he will be having a press conference and i to that i will have a statement available and just tell you that up front are we to go back to that what let's just say the breaking news this morning was the fact that congressman anthony weiner was going it to resign and that was the culmination of everything that the media had been hoping for dr incessantly pounding the war drums about
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a text message of a congressman's underwear after slaving away for weeks to bring the story of immense and moral and ethical proportions to the spotlight they had been redeemed so you can only imagine their disappointment when and nancy pelosi were to go back to her she was scheduled to hold a press conference this morning and she refused to vindicate all their hard work here's a piece of a great compilation the talking points memo put together today. if you ask a question. i won't be answering and i've made the statements i'm going to make it's my understanding that later in the jay he will be having a press conference and after that i will have a statement they'll just tell you that up front it is day one sixty three one hundred sixty three days since the republicans are right down to bash i actually saw john king sort of grinning maybe because he sort of expected this all right so nancy pelosi saying she is not going to have any comment on anthony weiner's
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resignation changing medicaid while they give tax breaks to businesses that send jobs overseas. or you know what is the winner but i have to think as soon as the reporters get a shock to hear when she's done with her statement that this topic will come. that you see that they actually does cut off one of the most powerful female politicians in this country when she announced that she would be speaking about the jobs crisis as planned rather than wiener gate the jobs crisis the fact that nearly twenty million people in this country are unemployed the topic that americans care about if you look at the polls but hey it's only the end of the middle class in america why would the media possibly want to cover that why are they would it want to hear a politician who's supposed to be creating jobs what she has to say about it you know this is probably one of those blatant examples you could possibly find of the utter worthlessness and mindlessness of the mainstream media but oh wait there's actually one more this morning congressman dennis kucinich went on m.s.n. b.c. to talk about the fact that he and nine other lawmakers have all the lawsuit
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against the obama administration for illegally waging war in libya without congressional approval then by mark i want to bring in congressman dennis kucinich it's good to see you congressman as always obviously anthony weiner was a very forceful voice i am a liberal and of a party your reaction and does indeed mean that you. get on with the business of congress. you know this whole thing is very sad. but what really more wieder gave me this is absurd listen what happened when the congressman did actually get in a few words about the war. if we do i think we can we're going to destroy the constitution congressman dennis kucinich of ohio thanks so much for taking the time today we appreciate it and we're going to have much more on the resignation of a congressman anthony weiner just now that's right she gave him a vote a minute and then just cut him off just like nancy pelosi but it's really mind boggling there were an economic crisis that illegal wars are being waged on behalf
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of the american people but the media doesn't want to talk about any of that i guess maybe that's what happens when you're a corporate owned you don't want to anger the corporate overlords by pointing out the fact that it's corporations those military contractors the benefit for waging nonstop wars or maybe the fact that corporate profits are soaring while the rest of america suffers see if you just don't say it maybe the american people will never know those problems and all that corruption exists so just should take in the wiener and everything else will go away. we're hearing the same thing that you are and if you can just see a little bit of this room i mean you're seeing a small slice of what's happening here this is a media frenzy to rival any that i've ever seen so today i'm announcing my resignation from congress. so my colleagues can get back to work i want to thank my colleagues in the house of representatives democrats and republicans alike they come from different places around the country but fundamentally we all agree there and patriots and i wish them all. the.
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while keeping it to last the there is are core professional journalists yelling and jumping over each other to be the first one on the scene to catch the moment when somebody asks wiener if he's bigger than seven inches and then they have the audacity to report on the media frenzy that they're all a part of you know it's funny how divided the media is over political lines on a usual basis and then they can all get along when it comes to mind numbing non news now while we move on to what actually matters in this world just take a moment to reflect on what your media missed today all old ling over the last remnants of a leader gate. well there's a legal debate that's raging over the war in libya just yesterday ten bipartisan members of congress filed a lawsuit in federal court against president obama for taking military action in
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libya without congressional approval now the obama administration meanwhile has released a thirty two page report to congress arguing why the almost three month long military involvement doesn't require that congressional approval they argue that the u.s. is playing a supporting role there but this is a nato led operation and of the military operations are distinct from the kinds of hostilities contemplated within the war powers resolution because we're not engaged in sustained fighting because there's been no exchange of fire with hostile forces because we don't have ground. troops on the ground and because we don't risk casualties to those troops he was actually right here and discuss this with me as per his fine chairman of american freedom agenda and lawrence korb senior fellow at the center for american progress gentlemen thank you both for being on the show tonight larry i'm to start with you because bruce you've been on the program before i do know where you're headed i know that who cares about the sixty day window you think of this has been illegal from the get go but lawrence i want to know what you think of the obama administration's explanation here that this isn't really that
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much of a war is that legit well i think they're talking about the ritual of the war powers act of what they remember this was passed to vietnam where we had five hundred forty thousand people on the ground and basically they did make the point i would also make the point that the u.n. approved nato approved and if you remember it will be we're joining nato senator robert f. mr republican from ohio did not want to join nato because she felt that that would take away called war powers role because under article five it was an attack called wanted because of the talk talk call so i think they're making a case would be it's i think it's good they filed the suit will suit what the court court says whether in fact a the war powers act is constitutional and b. weather wise here because one could make the argument when you're patrolling in the persian gulf and you could have a vote for example from iran whether you want to help the war powers but that's
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what's happening now is that what nato wants is superseding what our own us now is you know it's nonsense on stilts this thirty two pages there's one paragraph that's devoted to what might euphemistically be called legal reasoning. the war powers act defines what castilla these are putting troops in circumstances where hostilities and what would be understood in international law terms is war is indicated by the circumstances. think of this paradox if we're not at war what we're doing is committing murder because it's war that makes homicide not murder so we're committing murder if we're not at war and also think about the absurdity of the secretary of defense who himself when he was testifying for congress mr gates said of course if you fire a missile in new york city you're at war we would incinerate any country that did what we are doing to libya with regard to the idea that a treaty can supersede the constitution no case by the supreme court over fifty
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years ago reverses covert a treaty may not supersede the constitution the think of the ramifications of it could you could have a treaty say that's wipe out freedom of speech let's wipe out freedom of religion let's wipe out freedom of association the u.s. supreme court is quite clear a treaty is subordinate to the constitution of the united states requires that congress authorized any often stiff use of the military and this is how it was understood at the outset when thomas jefferson used the military against the barbary pirates in the early a ten times he got ten congressional statute authorizing what was he was doing and he said even if it's not war if he often says use of the military i need congressional authorization every single member of the constitution convention every single participant in the ratification debates all of the federalist papers all of the first president washington jefferson madison were uniform only congress to get us into war and that was not an academic argument they understood the executive branch concocts excuses for war because they get all the power the
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secrecy the appointments the money the footprints in the land in the sands of time that's why everyone said we cannot have one person take us to war and we have this president announcing as a general rule the president go to war any time you want for regional stability the security council's credibility or any other interest that the united states in the president's eyes is advancing which means the president can invade any country any time any place anywhere what he wants to do and there's one additional element there there is no money that congress has appropriated for this. take you to war the money that is being expended is specifically designated in the appropriations measures as counterterrorism operations now the president himself is that this is the same civilian life having nothing to do with terrorism right now counterterrorism has not been brought up once there is there any question in your mind lawrence whether this is a war or not i mean i think you make a great point if anybody were to ever file a fire a missile anywhere on american soil then hell yes that would be considered an act of war and we would retaliate and here we are just because we are
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a part of nato but nato is leading the operation but hello we play the leading role in nato so it's really i think it's a bad excuse to try to say that they're leading the way and we just happen to be on the sidelines again but we go back you know to the question go back to the debate about us joining nato. would disagree with bruce that's why he did not want to join nato because he argued that if you do this one now we are positive and we know you are so what do you think at this point the supreme court is i don't know what senator sap said the supreme court upheld a treaty is suborned of the constitution the end of the question well no it isn't because the united states since the end of world war two was been engaged in military operations continuously the korean war for example was not approved by congress now going back to bruce's point congress if they don't want this could easily say no one can be spent after this data that's the power of the purse that
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they could have and they are doing that are using the power of the purse which i which has mentioned is the fact that it has been asked for in that sense because congress hasn't had to approve no i don't know if they want to you're going to put . any expenditure bill that they passed they can say no body and this could be used for this you know or or about going to get if they are it is because of all those limited veto the president can veto those things so it suggests that you know you need two thirds of congress right and or rather than simple majority of two and there's not a five not reveal anything. and that's not what the constitution is about the the war powers resolution treaties cannot override article one section eight clause eleven you only need simple majority you need simple majority you get it in the morning is the point here is the fact that congress hasn't really done anything about it right we saw congressman dennis kucinich bring up a resolution to actually stop the war in libya and nobody went along with it that we saw john boehner get a resolution passed that basically was like a slap on the wrist and just said that you need to show us the report and try to explain the entire situation is there even
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a need for this to go to the courts i mean might the courts just push it aside and say congress this is on hue you have the power to approve wars to fund wars and you have empower each president if you feel like they're acting in accordance with the law in the most parallel case my friend tom campbell who is a member of the house of representatives sued clinton over the war in bosnia after he tried to get a declaration from congress that said no and the courts basically said what you've repeated the remedy is within congress i don't plan i was trying. that does not make it legal just because there is no sanction when we commit torture and we don't prosecute death does that make torture legal when the president violates the foreign to you know it's a limited war was illegal and a little different. was blatantly illegal and justice robert jackson said so in youngstown sheet and to be sawyer well i didn't finish and your parts and there is a point where you know you have to question the you know the war powers act wouldn't have been necessary people will follow we were bruce said but congress
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recognized that the power to declare war in this day and age is different from world war water and world war two and so therefore they came up with a remedy and i think it's the court i would like to see the court decide whether in fact the war powers act is constitutional they have been afraid to touch that particularly interesting thing is that the obama administration in this report they released they actually said that they do think the war powers act is every president is. a lie. you know they're not true larry that they are as it has never said it should not be you shouldn't be told it but it is what does that make it ok just because everyone else has done it well i think this is what you know our system the way things are written in the constitution those are enough ambiguity that i think no ambiguity with regard to this larry i would challenge you to cite a single syllable of anybody who was there writing the clause that suggested the president go to about other words there's a lot of the original enough we're talking about the real world the word that we
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love it would happen even though i have to this is that i know this we're going to have time for it i know you want to repeat my words and we're out of time i want to thank you both for joining me and this is the problem right you could say the legal language it's very clear what's going on but in the meantime everyone's going to try to have their own interpretation and the war goes on thank you so much i mean here. now still to come tonight a secret grand jury looking into the wiki leaks case calling a frequent guest of ours to testify we're going to hear what david house told the grand jury in just a moment and it's a growing trend amongst anti-war activists their homes being raided by the f.b.i. tonight in minnesota woman tells the story of her home the brand sacked by f.b.i. agents last september when back in just a moment. she was that so much about something i mean when you see these a lot of people are areas you're always seeing prices will be with this and years.
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as we first told you yesterday david house a supporter of bradley manning was subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury in alexandria virginia he was among a handful of individuals from the boston area who were all instructed to come to virginia and testify about various elements involving bradley manning and the whistle blowing web site wiki leaks as a whole now while hells did in fact show up he didn't give out any information other than his name and his address to the grand jury has attorney peter cropp explains why. we did this the house we're going to hear the questions.
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he invoked his right to remain silent under the fifth amendment to the u.s. constitution. so while house didn't have much to say inside the court room he did exercise his right to free speech outside during a press conference and there he fully expressed his opinions on this entire court case saying it's legal proceeding is nothing but a means by which the government wants to put fear into americans and keep them from standing up to the wrongdoings of the government tell us also compare the grand jury to a historic incident that happened forty years ago today not today forty grand jury has been convened to target supporters and journalists in the boston area and they talk to children first minute sushi civil rights of individuals working for his defense. in my mind this is just another step in the government's ongoing investigation either hand this investigation centering on the cambridge what's your story and it reeks of the pentagon papers desiccation forty years ago. and he's right the pentagon papers criminal investigation was
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a scandal in and of itself back in one nine hundred seventy want where leaker daniel ellsberg shared information from the department of defense with the new york times and although the pentagon papers have been made public that actually happened this monday which was when the forty year anniversary was and they ultimately serve a positive purpose in u.s. history at the time the government bought back against the leak with everything they had so much so that they had to throw out the case because the government misconduct when they illegally tapped. well daniel ellsberg phones and broke into his psychiatrist office let's go back take it's twenty eleven and people like david house are following in ellsberg footsteps to show that there's a grand jury is just using scare tactics to keep citizens silent. and i feel that is trying to use investigation that we could meet to establish policies which will give the government broad censorship powers in determining how source information actually makes it to the head of the media i think every american citizen who hears about this we can be stranger you know xandra should be concerned because i for one don't want to wake up every morning and read only how glorious the u.s.
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government is i want to media in this country that is a free press it is healthy for the state and this nixonian grand jury behind me is chilling that prospect every day it's going to be. you know i couldn't have said it better myself while the government has worked hard to keep this grand jury secret there are those individuals like david house who will continue to exercise their first amendment rights to tell the rest of the country why the government's actually doing now the fact that our mainstream media is too obsessed with politicians who engage in sexting to cover the real issues well that's just makes house the statement that much more correct will keep updating you on this case as more information does come out. now on september twenty fourth two thousand and ten the f.b.i. raided homes in chicago and minneapolis of peace activists and labor organizers all part of a nationwide terrorism investigation twenty three subpoenas were issued for activists to appear at a grand jury in chicago and investigators reportedly were examining possible material support to colombian and palestinian groups designated as terrorist
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organizations by the u.s. government something which the supreme court ruled illegal last year in the case of holder be humanitarian law but obviously activists being targeted soley for their political beliefs it's a practice that seems to be becoming more widespread as human rights organizations take note and perhaps all the more important to highlight as the f.b.i. is issuing new guidelines that loosen the rules on who and how they conduct investigations so activists are fighting back earlier i caught up with meredith abbey with the committee to stop f.b.i. repression her home was raided by the f.b.i. in september of two thousand and ten so i first asked her to recall the radar on her home that morning. well on september twenty fourth i was already up i was ironically home with claire and i said ironically because i've had to do like a lot of public speaking about this afterwards but i was at home up there and my daughter was a asleep upstairs eighteen months and her crib here and i was nervous like loud banging on the door and you know i opened up the door and it was shoved in my face
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and that f.b.i. agent came with maybe seven other f.b.i. agents and one minneapolis police officer and she said we're looking for evidence material support for terrorism in your house will you help us find it which my responses no and then they ransacked my house i did negotiate with the f.b.i. they wouldn't wake up my daughter was still asleep because they wanted to basically hold me in my own living room and that allowed me to leave and i was like well this isn't going to work out very well after i was here wakes up she's not really going to read to the whole being held in one room that you know when you're eighteen months you learn how to walk you're pretty excited about it and the whole idea of not being able to walk you know play with this new skill of watching i was like that's going to go very well so that she slept for about another half hour i called my partner left to work and then we were able to get ivory out of the house with
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them and our of the f.b.i. coming but i was held in my living room where they searched through my home we were moving in two days so they opened up every box that we had already packed for moving here and eventual e. a lawyer from the national lawyers guild came to my house and he then asked them about was this woman being subpoenaed like the others and i hadn't even heard about the subpoena and then i was also presented with the subpoena that i was supposed to show up at this secret grand jury in chicago they then proceeded to they went through my staff for hours they. the boxes and boxes of political materials i mean some ways still or even understand what they took because the fact is i wasn't allowed to you know for a while i was held in my living room and then i was told i was supposed to stay on my front line yeah well that was what kind of political materials you may have had at your house right talk about the type of activism that you do perhaps some of the
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trips to colombia that you make which i'm assuming that's exactly what made you catch their eye here. well as interesting as that are on the war in itself it said that they were searching for evidence of material support for terrorism they listed up a whole variety of groups including information about countries that never even then to a lengthy list of lebanon i've never even gone to lebanon but i mention palestine which i have traveled to and columbia which i have traveled to and i'm an anti-war activist and i have been doing anti-war work since i was in college since one thousand nine hundred ninety five ninety four you know so for a long time so i have years of political material in my house they took pretty much anything related to politics because the what was written is a big could see is anything related to political activity they took sign up sheets from the school of the americas protests where people signed petitions that i had seen they didn't support us military to colombia i don't understand how that's evidence of a crime to me there's evidence of people having an opinion i don't think that that
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should be seized as part of a charism investigation they also seized pictures from protests that's not evidence of a crime but on the search warrant it said that they were looking for evidence of who i have political relationships with both in this country and abroad and i find that very disconcerting because your freedom of association is something that should be protected under the first amendment i also find it's clear that both the search warrant as well as on the subpoena they said they were interested in knowing about what a bad political meetings were in colombia. because in colombia i met with trade union organizers grassroots organizers women's or going to hers who by the very nature of the fact that they question the colombian government put their lives at risk and so i met with people frequently and inevitably on the grounds that i would never say what does that tell you you know i mean for example we've been reporting on the show this week that now the f.b.i. is loosening some of their requirements when it comes to launching investigations
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on people and now they don't even really have to make a record of it if they want to. do a proactive investigation is this something that you feel like is becoming worse you know is it just a throwback to mccarthyism or is it something that we see increasingly expanding and something that becomes i guess increasingly hypocritical when it comes to u.s. foreign policy abroad in talking about spreading democracy and liberty and freedom and yet going after activists here at home that may try to work with groups to help get them union representation in a country like colombia i find it very disconcerting because the fact is that you know after september eleventh when the u.s. government passed the patriot act they gave the federal government huge sweeping powers and the fact is that you look at american history what the f.b.i. has done when things like infiltration was illegal when you needed to get actual like wiretaps approved by the government they did huge abuses of that power in terms of going after martin luther king jr doing huge investigation infiltration of
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the civil rights movement and some of those are the types of things that the f.b.i. did when it was illegal to do those things now looking at making giving them like current lines to go ahead do whatever you why i mean to me it seems like a recipe for disaster very quickly just because they're running out of time you just tell us that about thirty seconds what you're doing to fight back what this stop the f.b.i. repression organization as well the committees that f.b.i. repression and i will say to stay out of that. we have been working nationally to try to build awareness around the f.b.i. infiltration and attacks on activists we've been trying to use our case the twenty three international anti-war. activists and the grand jury that's being used against us as a way to try to get people to question the policies of the obama administration and try to put pressure on the obama administration to callar the f.b.i. and a collar fitzgerald the u.s. attorney in charge of. our matters while i thank you very much for joining us tonight.


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