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welcome to the lower show or get the real headlines that none of them are see from a lot of washington d.c. now it's not going to take a look at mass arrests that happened late last night at the occupy boston camp video shows police shoving older veterans for peace and all in all one hundred people are said to have been arrested are going to speak to somebody who was there then senior white house adviser david trying to make the case on morning shows today that the president supports americans that are frustrated with financial system aka occupy wall street but the president is part of the problem so do they just not get that horse is a desperate attempt to try to co-opt the movement david sirota is going to join us
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for that one and the justice department announced today that a plot by iranian agents to kill the saudi ambassador to the u.s. has been foiled and two men are being charged we're going to take a look at the details with jack rice and start counting down the minutes until the bomb wrong crowd starts trying to get rid of all that free tonight and more including a dose of happy hour but first take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. now before the alleged plot to take out the saudi ambassador to the u.s. was announced today which will get to later on in the show there was another terrorism case that has the attention of the mainstream media this morning that would be the case of the so-called underwear bomber. a highly anticipated terrorism from god underway this morning in detroit a fox news alert putting streetman still underway in detroit in the trial of accused underwear bomber umar farouk abdulmutallab the young nigerian man he is charged with trying to blow up and northwest airlines plane with explosives hidden
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in his underwear conspiracy to commit terrorism attempted murder and the four sets of did you still have a weapon of mass destruction and it's clear he wants to make a mockery of the u.s. justice system because all indications are that he demanded to represent himself. oh there are just so many things that i have to say here so which i've said before and therefore won't take too much time repeating them but remember all the outrage over the possibility of trying to get on u.s. soil what a security risk that would be yeah well here's another alleged terrorist who's trial on u.s. soil is now under way and it's not all that big of a deal is that what happened to all the outrage oh yeah it was fake and the obama administration came out looking like a fool because they gave in to the fear mongers over at fox news i'm moving on you know i find it really ironic that in that last clip there a mainstream media outlet was talking about the notion of i don't want to live trying to make a mockery of the u.s. justice system if anything this guy coming into the courts screaming or some an arm
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or a law here still alive that makes him look human weak maybe crazy now a big bad terrorist that threatens the existence of the united states it's good to make these proceedings public but the most interesting here being here aside from whether or not he's guilty what charges he's going to get cetera i'm wondering if we're going to get any details out of this case on we're all lucky if u.s. government placed him on the assassination list shortly after this failed underwear bombing attempt they say that they have the evidence that a lot he was directly involved in an operational capacity in planning plots including that what and at this point they haven't released any of that evidence despite the package they already killed a u.s. citizen without any due process. if anybody has made a mockery of the u.s. justice system it's the obama administration but guess what c.n.n. reported today that a source told them that he had ministration is debating whether or not they're going to release a secret memo that apparently gave them legal permission to do it because there's scoop c.n.n. m.s.m. b.c.
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fox news everybody should be demanding that the administration release this information everybody should be very curious as to the legal rationale for killing an american without ever giving them a day in court but i didn't even hear that brought up today when talking about the case of the little shocking shocking i know but that's the mainstream media has decided to miss. a lot of my wall street movement has been spreading to cities across the united states one of those being boston and since september thirtieth occupiers in boston began counting and dewey square park small park in the heart of boston's financial district but as the numbers of protesters grew they had to expand and last night a culminated in one of the largest mass arrests in recent boston history one hundred people were arrested and there's video police barreling through pushing occupiers to the ground the first line of whom are a group of veterans holding american flags called veterans for peace.
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take. a boston p.d. through the remainder of the campaign to garbage trucks after they had arrested the group and some call this the worst occupy wall street moment so far despite massive arrest on the brooklyn bridge pepper spray batons being wheeled in new york perhaps watching older veterans be taken down strikes more of a note with americans but what's next for occupy boston i want to say about the nationwide occupy movement and its relationship with police joining me to discuss this is matthew philip a witch host of the matthew field which show that you want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and i want you to describe to us what you saw last night. well thank you for having me for one less night what happened at occupy boston and it
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really was frankly a tragedy statistically because up until last night boston could have been a model city on how mayor and our police force treats citizens who were doing nothing other than you know exercising their first amendment rights so last night the occupy paston camp which originally was the camp in dewey square had over one hundred some tents there which actually makes the occupy movement in boston a little bit different than say occupy wall street is the fact that there actually are physical tents it very much if you go down to occupy boston it very much has a feeling of a tent city or like a hooverville it's a visual that's very striking that makes you really feel that like generally if things do not change a lot more people are going to be living in tents it's something that's very very striking so. they ran out of space at dewey square and so what happened was some of the members of occupy boston wins and they occupied another part which is the rose
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kennedy greenway they started other tent city there and when i was there was i close to forty tents before the cops came. and the mayor and the police force told them that if they didn't hate the second park that they were going to come and they were going to arrest them then what happened was they were going on their word around one thirty in the morning. countless police officers came from all different directions they sat surrounded the park on all four sides while while the people protesters in the park had locked arms and pretty much formed a human chain a human blockade to try to save their campsite then the session the cops came in they base started kicking people out through the back personally i saw one one woman who could have been a day over twenty one just for a small small young woman getting dragged. very violently riot police officer. while she was doing that she was just screeching out in pain for
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a medic she kept going medic medic and one of the things they teach you these are kind of occupations as if you're in pain and something bad happens to yell for a medic and then people do this thing called human mike where there was a call for medic and medical group over and over again no medics although all the volunteer medics were already arrested at that point across the street like literally across the street from where this was happening so they were e.m.t. is they actually set up a a medic tent not one of the moved and i was looking at them wondering why they were coming across the street to help this this court twenty one year old woman who was clearly in pain but nobody came in to engage rater out of sight and arrested and arrested i don't i hope she's ok now what do you think may have changed because i think if we compare this to what we see we've seen police of obviously clashed with the protesters in new york arresting people on the brooklyn bridge but here in washington a little bit of a different situation there a number of people they got arrested today at the capitol building on october twenty seventh when out there but in general the park police also just negotiated
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with them yesterday to let them stay perform more months camped out in freedom plaza if you think that here in washington they're just a little bit more concerned about good p.r. as opposed to the boston. well i mean i think that if you are concerned with good p.r. that is the way to do this and if you are concerned with what it means to be an american and being able to peacefully protest then yes that is what you want you want to be able to negotiate with the protesters and actually have them be able to protest in safety and in dignity and i think what the you know mayors around this country and mayors and police forces around this country are going to have to make this kind of choice of which side are they on you know these people who are standing outside the veterans that you talked about earlier who were who were tackled i mean just imagine if a veteran was tackled at a tea party rally this would be getting twenty four hour nonstop coverage but because it happened at an occupy rally and it's barely getting any coverage at all police have to decide which side of the arm because these people who are occupying
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are doing it for their pensions cops are part of the ninety nine percent they actually shouldn't be arresting these people they should be on the same side and actually they're hoping hoping change like if it does were it they need to get on the right side is what i'm saying well that's you know of course the really unfortunate thing here to you is that essentially the police are the same people as the protesters they are the ninety nine percent and the police aren't the enemy here and not my last main protest you could say that might be the wall street bankers as the executives there lethally control the political process but it's not your average cop but what would you suggest that the police do because they also receive orders and you know have to carry them out and not in a violent manner but at least you know how should they act right of course even if they're ordered to be violent and beat on people they definitely should not do that they deadly should disobey that order i mean obviously you have to be sympathetic towards them these are people you know the economy is horrible people do not have jobs right now and so you have to be sympathetic to somebody who just you know he
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just needs to keep his job to keep his his mortgage floats but what i would say to them is you know if you're on duty you know that's fine you have to do what you do but when you're off duty come down to the protest enjoy it join the line. and tell your tell your other police officers when they're up to you to join the line if cops are there it's going to make a gigantic change you know i don't i don't see a police officer beating other police officer i don't think that's going to happen so if the cops actually were to come and join the line i think would make a gigantic difference so what's going on a profit by boston now one hundred people were arrested yesterday they picked up the tents and everything was at the camp and i threw it in the garbage trucks other people to go back. to thing is actually ok so there actually is two different camps that's something that kind of remember here dewey square is actually still still has a camp so the original camp is still there and from everyone i've talked to down there you know if they don't like they don't like the police press the police you know arresting them and being brutal towards them but it hasn't discouraged them it's
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friend of mine is a comedian the camp said you know the protesters are like gremlins and you toss water on the problem just more and more protesters are going to pop up here and that's what's happening this is what's happening is the more the more the police crackdown on this the more it inspires people to actually come up and show up and so occupied boston is going to be bigger and stronger than ever so i'm curious to as we've been doing a lot of media critique in terms of the media coverage of the occupy wall street protests on our program everything from first ignoring the protests to then just mocking them to then perhaps covering them but only when there is a police presence and missing the message what's your take on how we've seen the mainstream media really treat this movement. it's pathetic and laughable if it wasn't such a serious topic i mean again late it's the whole thing you know they focus on a few somewhat crazy looking people but they also but again it's not the same type of thing that would happen at a tea party rally and it's
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a sad case is that the that the mainstream media is owned by the one percent and so of course they're not interested in giving a fair lights to these people but the thing is there's. it's kind of the point where they can't ignore it anymore you know people people see police officers beating up citizens they see you know you know seven hundred people getting arrested on the brooklyn bridge they see one hundred twenty some getting arrested in boston yesterday and it wakes people up they may realize that these people are fighting for them and so. to the point where the mainstream media really can't ignore it anymore they are mocking it now but it's the whole the whole quote you know first they ignore you then a mock you then they fight you then they whip then you win right now we're in the fighting stage and i don't you know it's just the beginning of this process but it's one that i really am confident it's going to end in victory. what kind of victory how do you envision that victory looking whatever they can look like that's a that's a good question again the people who you know they ask what are the demands of the
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occupy movement again this is the whole the whole point of this is they're not asking for one specific bill they're not saying we want to elect one specific person we want one specific legislation piece of legislation passed the whole point of this is dynamic dynamically and drastically changing the conversation in the united states and having a serious conversation of what it means to be an american and it's something that has been dominated by corporate media by two parties you know one the republicans there that are wholly boughten owned by the banks and democrats who are some of them are but nobody banks and some are cowards or some a few exceptions but it's the this whole thing is really about changing the conversation and actually having a conversation and because again there's a gigantic the country is in deep trouble right now there are lots of things that need to get done and the whole point of the occupy wall street movement is actually having that conversation and realizing that drastic change needs to happen i am not going to thank you so much for joining us tonight and it is that important
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conversation in three had and we're going to continue on our show tonight thanks so much thanks for having me. so cons and i connected from boston to final event a little mixed right into the professor dangerous the last including the white house is trying to florida and raising it that's not going to look at washington and how this information that. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime. i think. the one well. we have a government says. they're very safe get ready because of the air freedom. you
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know sometimes you see a story at the seams so. you think you understand it and then you did something else here's some other part of it and realized everything is are you going to charge for the big picture. you just put a picture of me when i was like nine years old i just you know lived through. it sets in i am in total get over friends that i love rap and hip hop is excellent and. he was kind of the jester.
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i'm very proud of the role that al-jazeera has played. this past friday the country of black that on the ten years that the u.s. has been spent has spent fighting in afghanistan as the media ponder the accomplishments of the american military the natural question was how it has successfully transition power back to afghan forces. the police that are being produced today coming out of the train system are far better anything they used to have our troops have done an incredible job i've seen it the progress that has been made and a great sacrifice to give the afghan people a chance at that better government a chance at stopping the taliban from returning to their destructive power proud troops have done
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a tremendous job in training up the afghan national forces i think we've made gains we still have a long road to cope. so they say significant progress is being made a new report from the u.n. might to spell that sense of satisfaction on monday the u.n. released a seventy four page document that shows the detainees were tortured and afghanistan run detention centers during interrogation processes and interrogation process by afghan forces including beatings removing fingernails and toenails electric shock and even twisting the detainees genitals the reason to get the detainees to come forward with information or even confessions about involvement with the taliban and these brutal interrogation techniques took place in forty seven facilities that are run by the afghan national police and the provinces of herat khandahar and the capital kabul apparently nato knew that it without any military coalition announced last month it had stopped transferring detainees to sixteen of those questionable facilities but many of these grotesque practices sound a little familiar and see just last year we told you about
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a report from human rights watch the detailed similar torture techniques for detainees in secret iraqi prison at the hands of iraqi interrogators at the outer softer detention center several detainees came forward after being accused of aiding militants for scars on the detainees who were interviewed matched up with their accusations and they have been hung upside down whipped and sodomized by their interrogators so i guess we can't be too surprised when he went uncover similar actions taking place in afghanistan but the big question here is now that we know about the actions what's the potential fallout here from the unethical interrogation practices these torture allegations could create legal problems for the u.s. involvement in afghanistan let me explain here so right now the u.s. provides a large majority of the funding for training afghan security forces according to the washington post afghan security forces cost us about one point six billion dollars a year but nine hundred ninety seven law called the leading law prevents the u.s. government from providing funding weapons or training to a country that's in gauging and gross human rights violations now i don't really see the finding actually being cut to the afghan security forces and the u.s.
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ignores things that the un says all the time about human rights violations especially if they. happened right in your home or in saudi arabia to whom you sell weapons and let's not forget it's not like we've seen the best examples consider that we separate best examples considering that we tortured people too but i think you get the point here perhaps this time with us should work on changing their oh so positive rhetoric when it comes to how well things are going with afghan forces because clearly nothing is as peaching as they make it sound. now throughout our coverage of the occupy wall street movement we've shown you plenty of clips of republican lawmakers and right wing talking heads trashing the protesters calling them everything from dirty smelly anarchist hippies their freedom hating anti-capitalist that are waging class warfare trying to pit the american people against each other and apparently ruining our country but you know what just for kicks let me show you another clip from sean hannity last night because this stuff is just too good not to play garbage is everywhere new york post describes a scene where drugs are being sold people urinating in death for caving in public
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by the way this picture in the daily mail of one guy go into the bathroom number two. in the police car you can't make this stuff up they're passing out free condoms is that open sex going on there are drugs easy to school or. can you look at the end of president and nancy pelosi put their seal of approval on this. now taking that into account let's contrast this with the response that we've seen from many left wing politicians including now the president and his administration here's obama senior advisor david who on good morning america today telling the protesters of the white house is on their side if you're concerned about wall street our financial system the president standing on the side of consumers in the middle class. so you got one side that just completely ignores the message of occupy wall street or labels them anti-business focus on their poor hygiene and they have the white house which like it or not embodies the very system that the protesters are fighting against who want to say they're on their side so i
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think it could be fair to say that this is direct proof that washington the media elite just don't get it joining me to discuss it is david sirota a talk radio host and author of back to our future how the one nine hundred eighty s. explain the world we live in now david i want to thank you for joining me tonight and i want to ask you what you think of of david gleaves comment here but he's saying that we understand anybody who's out there that's frustrated with the financial system but this is a president that chose to do nothing about the financial system and chose not to prosecute anybody. can they not get it or do they think they can fool people. well i love the obama administration president obama has been a guy who has been a master of co-opting social movements when it seems opportune for him to do so nobody well i shouldn't say nobody just played there could shine teddy and so except think thoughts news and republican political elites no rank and file voter thinks that what wall street has done to this economy is all that great that most
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voters actually think that what wall street has done to our economy and our society has been a lot less than great it's been absolutely awful and so the obama administration is in a position where it's trying to co-opt that message trying to co-opt it does parts of the message of occupy wall street in advance of the twenty trouble action so it's not surprising that this is the message out of the white house but it is i guess telling that this white house doesn't seem to have an awareness that the grievances expressed by i think my wall street are as much for humans is against congress and republicans in congress as it is against this white house this white house has been loyal eli with the street from the very beginning not only stocking it's the white house itself with people close to wall street making policies that are that are made to defend the interests of the power of wall street from bailouts to the president trying to stop serious crackdowns on executive pay and banks that were bailed out to the president and the administration watering down it's up as
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measures of so-called financial reform legislation so the grievances expressed by occupy wall street are as much against the obama administration is as they are against the republicans in congress and the white house doesn't seem to really recognize that what i want to talk very quickly to about what's going on in congress right now you know there are parts coming out there that there are members of congress that are actually upset and angry about the supercommittee being killed i think creative because everything they're doing our honest is being held behind closed doors and no one is being let in on this process i do you think a back and fall in with some of the grievances here that we just feel like they're a bunch of people that sit in a kind of rome with closed doors and no one else is let in on how political decisions are made here. absolutely i mean i think that all of these threads tied into the overall narrative that there are policy makers in washington who are making policy behind closed doors for an elite group of tiny and seers who've disproportionately funded
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a political campaigns in this country and whether it's wall street policy whether it's policies to expand the military budget or powerful defense contractors or whether it's proposals to cut the last remaining vestiges of programs that serve the rest of us the ninety nine percent or social security or medicare the overarching narrative coming out and being protested against is that our government represents not we the people our government represents the slogan the small group of financier's who basically underwrite most political campaigns in this country so if you think that thing is movement which i think of as you know it's pretty clear the democratic party is trying to give that we now think the obama administration here you see organizations like obama got or you see john that's they're all coming to support this which on one hand is good but they clearly want to be able to turn it into votes come two thousand and twelve do you think that it's going to work well that's a key question i mean it's a complete and utter insult and a joke for
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a professional law shifted from the obama administration to the multi-million dollar think tanks so the democratic party machinery to pretend to suddenly be the populists who want to reduce wall street power this is an administration and a democratic party is a party that is fighting us by wall street and it has basically reacted to wall street's the man to chum by saying how high so it's a total insult to the average american and to the book the folks protesting saying that saying that i apologize not. when computers got out here were started are still hearing it can't go get my point is that it's an absolute joke that this the professional democratic party in washington can pretend to try to co-opt it's an insult to the protesters will it be successful but the two thousand probably actually is going to be internets right i mean there are going to be intense efforts to scare progressive leading voters into simply seeing everything through
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the red versus blue summer camp color war of presidential politics they'll try to say if you don't elect barack obama it romney that may work but that's the question whether it works or not will be a question of whether this is a successful mass ocean movement or not but we definitely see you know coming from the right and it's interesting because you mentioned or we played a clip of fox news and john hannah the earlier he actually first started out his rant by saying that he also agrees that wall street isn't so good but then he thought i was going to talk about how much he hates the dirty smelly hippies that are just going to the bathroom and that caring all over the place but basically you wrote yesterday to about some of the responses that we've seen particularly from conservative politicians the mitt romney talking about how dangerous class warfare to representative peter king who says i saw the sixty's and i saw how that turned out how the media glorify those protesters and policy came because of it and you know what do you think about all of these comparisons to the one nine hundred sixty s. and the idea that the media glorified the movement well the key point about peter king's
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comments were peter king said that in the in the nine hundred sixty s. that we ultimately see the protests shaped policy and that we cannot let that happen again that's a direct quote from peter king and if you really unpack it what he's saying is is that things like the civil rights act medicare with voting rights act the end of the vietnam war protections against discrimination against women these things that were the results of sixty's protests we can't allow to happen again and it unveils it unmasks the real republican attitude of the rich. publicans are still trying to wage a war not on the culture of the sixty's but on the legislative results up in one nine hundred sixty s. that's why you see an effort to cut medicare that's why you see in the state that i'm talking to you from colorado the republican secretary of state trying to disenfranchise voters we have a congressman who's trying to repeal parts of the voting rights act so i think that when the republicans make a comparison to the one nine hundred sixty s. they reveal eight deep were agenda of not just again against the culture of the
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sixty's but an agenda that has tried to repeal the legislative successes of the nineteen sixty's or the one are they want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and of course i think we're all going to be you know bystanders here and observing how much for this movement and what might come out of that banks thank you. i thought upon tonight we have our candidate and if the intel and then the u.s. says that the iranians are plotting to kill assignee envoy washington and what will this alleged plot do property tense relations between the three at iran from the. internal we are military mechanisms to do the work to bring justice and accountability. i have a right to know what my government's doing i want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize the bond.


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