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three. to. three votes. for you. really really hard keep calm. broken the law to show you the real headlines with none of the mercy for me live in washington d.c. now tonight we're going to take a look back to last night's presidential debate now the focus here was the economy but once again seemed like the candidates got away without having to offer any real solutions then yesterday protesters at u.c. berkeley clashed with police that attacked with their talents sort of get more details from somebody who was there and asked why the media was so much more interested and rowdy students at penn state and as our military and the cia increased their use of drone strikes the secrecy with which they kill becomes more
and more problematic for me to speak to philip alister former u.n. special special rapporteur on extrajudicial so mary and arbitrary execution talked about what needs to be done by the government by the media and by the people to demand more transparency or to have all that and more few tonight couldn't because of happy hour but first let's take a look what the mainstream media has decided to me. all right so last night see n.b.c. hosted a republican presidential debate the focus there was on the economy but just like any other debate there are of course some bad jokes that fell on deaf ears some boos from the crowd when herman cain scandal was brought up and some gaffes one really bad gaffe by rick perry in fact by now it's probably been played hundreds if not thousands of times on every single cable network. rick perry's campaign trying to limit the fallout from what some are calling a brain for is the major damage control mode today doing the morning talk shows
it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone commerce education and the what's the third one there you would see the texas governor's trying the fraud old when he forgot the name of one of the agencies that he would shut down the phone like the president during what was an excruciating fifty three seconds of really a presidential train wreck he could only remember two of those departments texas governor rick perry saying he's not quitting despite what some are calling. a big gaffe yes there was a very awkward moment forty five seconds of a stammering texas governor rick perry despite the really disastrous showing presidential candidate rick perry this morning says he's not quitting. all right now let's get a few things straight here was that pretty bad message by rick perry most definitely for starters if you're going to start slashing away government agencies right left you better damn well know which ones you want to get rid of and why we don't have government agencies just because they're fun to create they actually
serve a purpose is there a way stand this management and a lot of these agencies most definitely but that does not mean that you just wipe them off the map altogether anyway the other thing about this is it's not like it's the first time that perry's ever messed up so he's even more deserving of critique because he does this every single debate which would probably make voters think twice about electing another guy that's going to make us all look like idiots on the world stage but at the end of the day last night's debate was about the biggest issue facing this country right now and that is the economy so all those fifty three seconds of perry forgetting his words was rather excruciating it didn't compare the fact of the entire two hours it was excruciating because these candidates don't answer any questions about the most pertinent and immediate crises that are facing us take for example italy entire eurozone sovereign debt crisis yesterday markets were imploding the world was panicking the i.m.f. chief was warning of a global downward economic spiral and yet when c.n.d. seawitch rightfully asked about the issue at the very start of the debate when we
asked the candidates just completely ignored it. focus on the domestic economy we will see so yes focus on the domestic economy first there's not a lot that the united states can directly do the right now well europe is able to take care of their own problems. tribute to the international monetary fund and the i.m.f. is giving one hundred fifty billion dollars to the eurozone are you saying the u.s. should stop contributing to the idea that i'm happy to continue to participate in world efforts like the world bank and the i.m.f. . and so just focus on the domestic economy let europe take care of itself hello people we can't just sit here and act like we live in a bubble if it only goes down the european banking sector goes down our banking system istra it will be a worldwide domino effect and yet all these candidates can say is focus all it's going on at home or we will bail them out you know mitt romney must have also forgotten that if a gay trillions to foreign banks at the time they crash in two thousand and eight
anyway so scary issue number one place in the world absolutely no answers for it so then c.m.c. is moderators went to metric they asked about the housing crisis the fact that millions of americans homes are underwater and you should it isn't going to magically disappear because the health of our economy is tied to it and yet here is what the candidates. you have to let the market work and get people into homes again and the best way for that to happen is to is to allow this economy to reboot i would find the way to go online fannie mae and freddie mac. such that the marketplace. is the republican house next week who would repeal dodd frank and allow us to put pressure on the senate to repeal but frank you choose the housing market starts to improve overnight dodd frank kills small banks it kills small business the federal regulators are anti housing loan and it has maximize the pain level. they're really that simple you guys if you just allow the economy to
reboot the nastier a closure is will go away or according to you gingrich if you just repealed thought frank the housing crisis will easily be fixed i mean these are the most childish ridiculous answers that i've ever heard and these are candidates the want to be the president of the united states so that's the excruciating part of last night's fiasco is that none of them offer any concrete solutions they just peel off more prepared talking points i had if you were watching the mainstream media's coverage of the debate today you forget all about that who wants to get into those details replaying fifty three seconds of awkwardness is just so much more fun because rick perry making himself look like an idiot totally raises the fact that this entire country is in trouble if any of the people on that stage win and that that's what the mainstream media chooses to miss. all right so let's continue looking at last night's republican debate on the economy was fatally the theme once again we have to hear
a lot of nine nine nine descriptions of other tax plans that would get the economy growing again but in all cases the candidates did agree on one thing more government more problems but it's now time to step away from the theoretical start talking straight about what needs to happen right now the government or perhaps better said congress has the most part been doing nothing about the jobs crisis or about the housing crisis they have been raising taxes and they actually have been cutting everything of these candidates want on a micro level and yet that isn't getting the country back on track so let's try to bring last night's posturing back into the real world of the skies with these there thompson senior editor at the atlantic so much for being here tonight here let's quickly go back a step to what i was just saying with these cliffs in terms of talking about europe in terms of talking about housing i think rightfully so europe was the first question that the moderators asked last night and i don't even think herman cain said the word italy or said europe all they want to. says' focus on what's going on at home is it because they are oblivious to what's going on do they not going to
have to say that yes maybe we will you know go with another bailout when it comes to a global level of what he thinks going on the one hand the republicans didn't say anything of use when it came to the european debt crisis on the other hand that puts them in pretty good company you have the e.c.b. the european central bank which has no idea the sickly out of italy the third largest economy in europe and u.s. policymakers are having the same problem you know i talk to the treasury department and you say what can america do to help europe out and you can you can encourage companies to get countries to come together and say all right let's put up enough money that we can back the losses back the bad debt that exists right now in greece and italy and other perfect for economies in order to make the market believe that will pay back their debt is just really really difficult right now because we've crossed the rubicon of sorts when it comes to italy's debt and greece's debt it's very difficult to get investors confident it would see at least when you say it sounds eloquent and you understand that there are problems involved here and you understand that nobody in the world right now like you said including the e.c.b.
he really has a solution to this and so in some point you have to start thinking about what might happen if you have to have a plan b. but i just feel like these guys they just completely ignore it we can just live in our bubble a fix on work on fixing our economy here at home and pretend like it doesn't exist let's move on to housing is well you can't bridge thinks that they're playing god frank is going to fix housing that easy. frank has nothing to do with putting money in people's pockets and helping them pay back their mortgages and it has nothing to do with principal write downs for reducing the interest on mortgages which is the only way that you could possibly get people to pay back all of the loans the that they can afford in their homes and get people to buy new homes because they have enough money to be think they can make another enormous investment in something as large as a house so dr frank who is a doesn't have anything to do with that all the dodd frank is trying to do is find better ways to. encourage our banks to be more responsible and then encourage government to have
a better pathway to bailing them out or not bailing them out winding them down when they become so large and unwieldy that we realize we have to split up the assets i get unfortunately somehow you no longer really hear obama care being used as much of course it comes after the republican debates it's no longer the bad word last night it seems like god frank became the bad words that show a clip for the audience for a quick. the biggest regulatory problem we have is obamacare and dodd frank i will repeal those bills usually republican house next week would repeal god frank and allow us to put pressure on the senate to repeal dodd frank the housing market start to improve overnight dodd frank kill small banks kill small business the federal regulators are anti house and it has maximized the pain level the dog crying for obamacare that's what's killing america there's three big things wrong with dogs which is right it needs to be a top priority to repeal the two of the biggest problems with dodd frank and free i
. this is a charmer that herman cain but i mean seriously died and frank dodd frank the bill it's like the worst thing that's ever happened to america it's really interesting you know you pull back the lens and you think what just happened three years ago the economy must roll off a cliff the global economy in a spiral of a cliff because banks were reckless and we had no idea what to do with the trillions of dollars of assets that were going bad is at least a step towards us reclaiming the kind of regulations that we had before they were unwound in one thousand nine hundred and two thousand it's amazing to me that you have the me a major party in this country one of two major parties in this country and all they can talk about is getting back banking conditions to where they were in two thousand and five two thousand and six and two thousand and seven when we know the didn't work it's possible to frank is not the ideal bank regulation it is it least a step towards a better banking regulation rule and law that will have the effect of not having two thousand seven happen all over it one of the things that we heard
a lot last night he was that institutions banks cannot be too big to fail and that's one of the things that god frank is entirely due unfortunately when it comes to reform is you know making breaking up the banks are you know making it so that they can no longer be too big to fail but they hate dodd frank but they don't want to be too big to fit anymore that there's a lot of hypocrisy going around and same way when it came to mentioning fannie and freddie last night i want to show you a clip of something that michele bachmann had to say. they just gave bonuses of almost thirteen million dollars to ten top executives this is the epicenter of capital crony as crony capitalism that's what's wrong with washington d.c. . ok so a i agree i don't think the millions of dollars in bonuses at fannie and freddie are warranted at this point but it boggles my mind that they can critique batting and freddie and the bonuses that be given out but then not care at all about the fact that bankers on wall street who are also be bailed out by american taxpayers
have have much much much larger bonuses right now it looks like they're looking at this extremely complicated byzantine issue and focusing only on the parts of it that have to do with government criticizing criticizing them saying that we should say you strip away the regulations that have been in place it's you know it's the same playbook that they're using with financial regulation in general and frank you know it's disappointing to me that i think republicans have a point that if the government's involvement in housing was a factor in the bad loans and the stupid mortgage backed securities. that we saw in the decade leading up to the big crash but like you said their prescriptions for fixing the crisis are boilerplate but you think that's going to work with you know when it comes to voters you think that they're actually going to buy it because as i was saying before if everything is so simple they clearly have these talking points right absolutely no more taxes no increases in taxes less government fewer agencies but then there's no really concrete plans i feel like in terms of getting
people back to work everything is just the economy fix itself let it grow right i mean you can focus on the nitty gritty but i think at the end of the day with voters are looking for an echo of their own ideology i think people have a general sense about whether or not government can work or not work and the republican party is now a party that is saying over and over again in different ways government is not working it doesn't work obama is not working this is it and that's why we want control of the guy that's right and we know we're going to fix it it's a little bit weird i think but i mean but that is the argument and it is at least a very consistent argument it's one that's easy to grab hold of so you see a lot of variations on that theme democrats actually in this case you know to veer into a little bit of political messaging now you have to have a much harder case to make their case is that government has a. worked well enough but we can make it work better it's a little bit more nuance and that's often why republicans win these elections and you know i feel like if you look at the occupy wall street movement right now tell me what you can say is more left wing the whole feeling is that government is no longer working for anybody for right or left now i'm just one of the other clips
that i had michele bachmann and i want to go over to our last line where finally the candidates were forced to address the issue of student loan debt because student loan debt has surpassed a trillion dollars in this country and that's a huge problem and yet again not exactly satisfy the answers take a listen. but i think you proved that the policy of student loans is a total failure i mean a trillion dollars of. the college of the ozarks is a work study college you cannot apply to it unless you need student aid and they have no student aid you have to work twenty hours a week during the year to pay tuition and books you work forty hours a week during the summer to pay for room and board ninety two percent of the students graduate owing no definite i don't think the federal government should be in the business of paying for programs and building up huge dead out there i think we need to look at how do you still get rid of the universe. first
starters what is this utopian education system that the new gingrich talks about where you just work forty hours a week during the summer i mean this is some school in the ozarks with their like a couple hundred people and i love that he's trying to discredit the fact that unfortunately you're told as a young adult in this country that you have to go to a good university unfortunately some universities manage to charge you have to pick a thousand dollars a year but if you have that specific degree that you're told that you have that more of a chance of getting a good job or the exact let's let's be honest here if it's no student who takes on debt could go to college most students currently in college be forced to leave college level below or below idea we don't know absolutely that every single person in college is going to benefit from his or her college experience what we do know though is that the group of people who have gone to college earn more and have a lower unemployment rate than people who don't go to college college in the aggregate works and we should try to get as many people to go to college as possible now in order for them i agree i agree with republicans and democrats to
say the same thing there's just too much too student debt out there and it's a problem because you've seen kids take on all of this debt believing that the economy would give them a job to pay it back and they happen to graduate into the worst economy ninety years but that's not a college is problem what we need to do is find better ways to create affordable community colleges and frankly you know online colleges as well that don't give students students off that are efficient we actually seen how those for profit colleges are doing and that's exactly what they do is they rip students off and fortunately they're going to thank you so much for joining us tonight. no mention of defense cuts yesterday either another thing i'm very upset about when it comes to talking about the economy we're going to have thanks much for being here. i there is still much more to come tonight briefing on the latest on the occupy movement demonstrators are getting creative about preparations for the winter months and a u.c. berkeley occupy protests got violent yesterday with police tried to boot people first from gaza to bring up again tales about what went down just as the entrance.
to the countless listeners. yesterday students professors other supporters of the occupy movement all gathered at u.c. berkeley's plaza enjoyed an occupy cow now the university told protesters they could stay around the clock for a week but only if they didn't use tents use stoves or any other items that might suggest to people that they would be sleeping there about the pike calgary voted not to comply with the demands i continue to peacefully set up a tent site but then police used force to get them to go. ok. thank god. thank god thank you thank now kind of the day more than thirty people were arrested but your pride and
see that on the news to the mainstream media was more concerned with another student protest or riot whatever you want to call it that was going on at penn state. thank. god. i so let's find out more about what happened on the ground at khao and see why police violence on campus didn't make it through and we to discuss this is cali made off ph d. student at u.c. berkeley and occupy cal protesters hi thanks so much for joining us tonight if you could just start by telling us what happened yesterday what you saw and how close you were to the police that really started using violence against some of these people you know it was a really great day long action there were lots of people insults and it was just it was a mass mobilization of the whole campus that was really wonderful and successful and marred by these pretty extreme instances or silence and i'm not sorry arrests now
would you say that the police were excessive in their force from what i know it was the campus police as well as the alameda county sheriff's. absolutely absolutely i mean there were people at the hospital over my glasses were and they were it's too exciting there were excesses excessive is not sane or well i mean watching that video right there is definitely something that's visually disturbing but like i just mentioned you know last night everybody was focused on the joe paterno scandal that was going on at penn state where students came out and started knocking down a local t.v. truck when they heard that he was going to be fired why do you think though that the media was so focused on that story and yet when you saw police being physically violent abusing students here berkeley it does make. you know i mean it's crazy i'm not sure what what they're thinking except you know we need didn't overturn t.v.
trucks we didn't even graffiti or threw bottles or anything and yet there were thirty nine arrests including one this morning. as opposed to just two but do you feel like that means the media still isn't paying enough attention to the occupy wall street movement to you know to what this is all about if they're looking at something that clearly you know has a big scandal going on over at penn state but this is something that i feel like people express a lot of disgust towards that students who are out you know showing their support for this coach how do you feel that back in pairs to the social inequality the occupy wall street is protesting against. oh absolutely i'm going to think that it really does show that media is focusing on the wrong things also you know a little nature of this kind of struggle it's it's not just a one off thing this is not something that's going to effect change overnight but
it's a long struggle and you know mainstream media often isn't good at covering things that last for weeks or months like it was the spectacular one time stories was definitely true this is now starting to last weeks and months and i'm curious if you could explain me to you i know that members of occupy opened came down yesterday to the berkeley campus but a birthday specifically a lot of anger has to deal with you see regions with a lot of the cuts that we've seen education in california as a state's to do feel like it's more of a localized protest than what the occupy movement is protesting actually. i think one of the really spectacular things that's happened to my movement across the united states is that it is together it is national issues we have a local struggles so i news at u.c. berkeley we have really been talking about the hikes the privatization of education specifically and occupy oakland it's also been about brutality and going on for
years and you know the kind of race struggles that there are really important at that site so i think that what was bringing them all together were these economic issues and it's been exciting to see how they're differently or it's accumulated in different states across the united states now i want to show you a clip really quick last night there was another g.o.p. debate and they actually brought up occupy wall street so let's take a look what they said about it. so you just say that i want to be the president of the ninety nine percent i also want to be the president of the one question i have yet to hear a single reporter asked a simple occupy wall street first generation rational question about the economy that would lead them to say for example who's going to pay for the park here occupying if they're no businesses making a profit. and all right i'm curious what you think of the answers in the candidates there i mean i think the who really really don't
know how to address what's right not very sort of rhetoric but it's being used about the ninety nine percent is trying to he pull together in a way it. really does not make sense the republican terms but at least they were forced to talk about it and i think that means. is doing something you know and getting some kind of proper attention here thanks so much for joining us tonight thanks for having. well now the first ten days of november it's clear that winter is coming so for those that are taking part in the occupy movement the lowering temperatures and longer nights are a sure sign of the things to come they're fighting to chill and that to continue forward and in fact they vow to continue protesting and marching protesters have just begun occupy the highway well their march two hundred miles to washington d.c. .
now the changing season means that adjustments will have to be made to the occupiers strategy and as of now occupy movement has been setting up camp and outdoor parks across the country but as winter approaches those that are protesting are anxiously awaiting the cold temperatures so all opponents of the movements are hoping that the frigid temperatures are going discourage the protestors force them to pack up and head home some people like the new yorkers hendrik hertzberg feared that the cold would pare the numbers in the camps leaving only radical support which could change the message of the occupy wall street movement now those camping of showed their allegiance despite the bitter chill for example your demonstrators stuck out through the first round of blistering cold weather at the end of october despite the fact the police took away heat generators and park the night before but thanks to donations in a program called off the price apply forty two thousand dollars have already been spent on cold water supplies and even military grade tents designed to keep protesters war but the ranks of those pitching in to help the protesters to beat
the chill are growing for example in boston mit students are now coming up with their own ways of keeping warm as part of the winterization working group boston if i come across a cough and shaved box on wheels and this tiny tiny house is actually a good way to stay warm designer sage radicality created this home out of a spare kitchen cabinet with several layers of styrofoam plywood polyethylene sheets of a designer says the tiny hole that. very well insulated keeping him lord at night and a structure on wheels keeps his body away from the ground and also complies with the city ordinance and the best part is the temporary home costs are mere hundred dollars to built his goal option to recreate for more occupiers radicality isn't the only ones working to keep the occupier soldiers war mit professor jan long player is calling on students to come up with strategies and designs to help the protesters beat the free one of the models they're working on now is a tepee it would be ideal for daily general assembly meetings but winterization
group hopes to have many more designs in the near future with some of the best and brightest minds in the company testifying the coal so what's the prognosis for the occupiers well this be their valley forge or their epic encounter to the life of the starts in the lancers i hope they get advise of plans soon because the weather is changing no matter what and nobody wants to be caught off guard in the long cold winter arrives. now still to come tonight we have our show and tell segment and then it will be with us drone policy one back when they come back to bite us and look at the issue the drone program and white secrecy is so problematic just. the very least. one of the protests nobody seems to know.