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today on our to get ready for a high stakes meeting of the minds from syria to greece the annual g twenty summit has no shortage of tough topics to get through but all of that's being overshadowed by a not so silent rivalry going on between president obama and putin we'll tell you all about this g. twenty family feud with a live report from mexico. plus taking the moral low ground abu ghraib and guantanamo bay aren't only examples of u.s. human rights abuses but they do speak volumes about america's hypocrisy so one of the larger implications of this blatant disregard for international law. and marching for a cause of thousands of new york city protesters hit the streets in opposition of
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the n.y.p.d. stop and frisk policy a look at the law that has angered so many. it is monday june eighteenth at four pm in washington d.c. my name is christine for you're watching our tea. well it wasn't too long ago that the u.s. and russia were celebrating an historic partnership agreement but the passing of the strategic arms reduction treaty or start it was to be a reset in u.s. russia relations as it turns out the celebrations were short lived but heightening tensions between the two countries on many levels there's russia's anger at the u.s. being unwilling to budge on its plans to build a missile defense shield there is the u.s. is angry at russia and its refusal to approve a plan for the u.n. security council to intervene in syria a month there's also more last year the u.s. imposed a visa ban on eleven russian officials accused of playing
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a role in the death of netsky a russian attorney who many believe is exposing corruption by russia's interior ministry magnitsky was arrested in two thousand and eight on embezzlement charges and spent more than a year in jail that he became very ill and was apparently brutally beaten before he died so this move by the obama administration is to say you know human rights abusers aren't welcomed here well guess what russia is fighting back with a list also of eleven officials but from the u.s. these are officials the russian government says are also tied to human rights abuses for their role in places like one ton of obey and prison committing what would also undoubtedly be human rights abuses in light of the g. twenty conference starting today we want to talk about the way the u.s. is viewed around the world and i've got david swanson campaigner for roots action to help me do just that hey there david let's first talk about this move by russia essentially to say hey you want to talk to us about human rights abuses why don't
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you look in the mirror what do you think about it. well i think it's a sad state of affairs that we don't have an actual international body to be saying these kinds of things to every nation but i think that of course the u.s. is hypocritical there are other nations that have seen threats of prosecution and actual convictions result in the same policy italy has convicted a couple of dozen cia agents for kidnapping a man and city him off to be tortured i think it's entirely appropriate but i think this this going back and forth between nations is a sad state of affairs and i think that there is a a larger picture here where the united states' policy of the past decade has contributed hugely to a growing acceptance of torture and other abuses around the world that needs to be turned around and they would you say this going back and forth as a stat a sad state of affairs. but what's you know the answer here because of course both countries want their people how their people saying hey you know you can't just do
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business with russia for example to obama and and ministration you have to you know condemn this and the same thing on the russian side people saying you guys are hypocrites you know we're not going to stand for this i mean don't you think it's important that they sort of stand their ground and and make sure that this is you know out there that they don't approve of what the other one's doing. well well i do in both cases what both sides are hypocrites i think we need an international criminal court that's not under the thumb of the united states to prosecute universally unfairly such abuses by anyone anywhere and at the moment we don't have that to be have something worse we have the pretense of it we have an international criminal court that only acts where the united states approves and only prosecutes war making and war crimes by africans i i think that the idea of international law has been degraded by this process and david what do you think it would take for
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that to happen i mean this in this idea of an international criminal court that was you know totally objective what's in a way right now of that happening. the structure of the united nations the structure of the international criminal court the power of the united states as a rogue nation that is understood to be increasingly by much of the world as a rogue nation that is sinking in the polls and respected as a model for other nations around the world i think we need to open up and democratize the united nations so that it is not under the form of a handful of nuclear powers but is actually a democratic body representing nations that represent their people and and that's a huge step and one that many in the united states as you know are are against i think it's an important point david to talk about this how you say you know thinking in the polls in the respect level around the world. what you think i mean
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a lot of people sort of look at what happened i know back in the ninety's the u.s. involvement in bosnia a lot of people you know saw that still as you know the u.s. intervening for good purposes and you know really it did a lot of good i think in some ways for the u.s. reputation do you think it has sort of been downhill from there do you think it's it's been a series of events or a couple of events that have really made it worse for the u.s. and the way this country is seen by others around the world. well there's been a lot more polling in the past decade or so and there was a poll this week by pew showing these trends internationally but i think it's a longstanding trend going back to the eighty's or earlier of the united states same thing as as a model as a destination for immigrants as a dream for the world and the claiming a nation that is resented and feared and increasingly a nation that has experienced most directly as
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a set of military bases occupying other people's nations this is a this is a trend that has been developing for decades and needs to be reversed it's really interesting of course because we see every year the state department the u.s. state department put out a human rights report card countries like china venezuela you know uganda yemen they're often highlighted as some of the biggest offenders but i got to talk a little bit about and i guess the sort of goes along with what you were saying how there isn't really an international criminal court there isn't really an international you know superintendent or cantor to issue things report cards you know there is not there are nations critiquing each up there are almost universally with hypocrisy and yet the united states has been called not just among wealthy nations the one with the greatest inequality and poverty and incarceration and environmental destruction and so forth but the nation that is exerting the most
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power over others is perceived as doing the most to damage the climate is perceived as doing the most just spread torture and assassination is acceptable policies and doing the most to hold down other countries development and advancement and so there is you know there's this idea that the united states is uniquely important is in some ways right but not in the way that it's often understood i think it's really interesting that when you look. it's hard for me though to really see that this is discussed very much certainly within this country i think a lot of americans are still surprised to this day certainly the majority of americans surprised on nine eleven to know that there was you know a negative attitude towards this country still you know ten years later i think a lot of people would be surprised i mean do you think it does a disservice that this is not talked about what we're talking about here right now is not talked about more widely. well of course there was almost universally in the
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us corporate media resistance to asking and condemnation is treason to ask what might have motivated the crimes of nine eleven just as today people will will ask you what do you expect the president to do if there is someone evil in yemen doesn't he have the choice of killing him and anyone near him men women and children with a missile or nothing as if those are the two options and you can't talk about legitimate criminal prosecution if you can't get back to talking about why there might be people in yemen increasingly people in yemen who are bitterly angry at the united states as if you yourself would be attacking the united states to ask that question i want to go back to you know this list that you know russia has put together with with these names of u.s. officials that we don't know who is on this list at this point but what they've
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said is that these people are affiliated with crimes committed you know at bob graham air base at guantanamo bay i want to talk about one hundred of a really quick you know in a few months we're going to have an election here we remember the last time we did this president obama said repeatedly he made a campaign issue i am going to close guantanamo bay in the first year of my presidency we have several examples of this here we are it's year four and nothing's been done do you think this is going to be an issue do you think this is an issue that americans care about enough to vote on in twenty twelve. well yes and no i mean those who go in for lesser evil voting calculations may still vote for obama it's not as if his opponent of the two acceptable opponents wants to engage in a different policy but you know we should understand that obama didn't want to end the policy of lawless incarceration he wanted to move one location one facility to illinois instead of cuba that it was not that sort of change that people in visions
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and what we have seen while obama has been president has been the further intrenchments and formalization and acceptance of these policies of lawless detention of military use in the united states of torture and rendition and increasingly of murder as an alternative which many people think of as more clean and more acceptable and i find that so utterly reprehensible that i strongly urge everyone who are listening not to vote for either of these catastrophic really bad candidates yes but i mean a lot of people there they think that if you don't vote at all you know the people with all the money they're the ones who are going to win they're the ones who are going to have the say in what happened. yes well vote for rocky anderson vote for jill stein and act accordingly for the three days of the next two year period which are far more important then the election if elections alone changed anything as
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emma goldman remarked they would be banned it is not as important who you vote for vote for obama if you must but don't be obama's servant don't be the servant of your public servant the rest of the year if you can do that i'll have little argument with you but most people can state see their their role then as being a cheerleader for one of the two teams and that's what's led to this disaster slaps of the peace and justice movement while obama has been president and yes certainly a lot of expectations that have not been met during these last four years there with juan thanks for joining us david as a campaigner for it's action all right so how big of an issue is going home away the treatment of prisoners there has as we said it's long been a stain on the u.s. reputation obama promised and he did not deliver so we sent laurie harshness with the resident dot net out to the states to ask people what they think about it.
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even though president obama promised to close the prison at guantanamo bay or get him out it was maine's open why this week let's talk about that and i think the logistics of closing it of prevented president obama from making it happen do you think it was a mistake for him to make such a promise no i don't i think that. i think he's i think he still committed to the policy he's trying to roll the rock and it's a tough rock to roll i say that i'm ready to be fed up with both the u.s. imperialism you should deal your own issues first and then you will do we the issue of the world after again is guantanamo bay just an example of our imperialism of course it is an example you know because you want to impose democracy even though some countries and you're not even able to even pose democracy in your own country and i think it's an issue i think it's hard for us to you know for trey as being
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the sort of promoter of human rights while also keeping people in prison for as long as they have without any trials or any any chance that the u.s. justice the blood of and so yes i think it's an issue you think it's fair for us to hold them indefinitely absolutely not so what does that say about the u.s. . says we're in a difficult position right now that make it ok to hold people without knowing if they're guilty of anything probably not it says that you guys want to control the world actually. and you shouldn't. and that's i don't know going to know what shouldn't exist actually some of them are very guilty and how do you know that. they released some of them and apparently they turned and committed more outrageous so is the issue then what to do with these people if the prison is closed. yes we would not none of the states wants to take them so we send them to yemen saudi arabia and they will escape and join the forces again so i don't think the
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president of the united states really has. the power to close guantanamo i mean what would you have to do with the people who are there yeah i have no idea which is why i'm not in politics but that is the question right a lot easier to say i'm going to close that than actually go through with whatever you think is the reason that get my remains open the bottom line is it probably won't be closed for a very long time. while our as we mentioned a little earlier the g. twenty conference kicked off in los cabos mexico today and for the first time president obama and president putin had a face to face meeting it was a lot of eyes are on this meeting very anticipated so let's go now our to correspondent i should you call in on the ground there in los cabos. hey there guy and let's talk about this meeting between president putin and obama it's
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a really big deal talk a little bit about this discussion today and how it could impact people here in the united states. president bush and president obama met for the first time since the russian leader took office in may and much. of the meeting was behind closed doors as you would expect but they did come up with a few comments for the press with regards to syria this is something that worries. so many people polled obama says that the u.s. and russia agree that a political process needs to be created in syria in order to prevent civil war and president bush says they found many commonalities on syria but so far as we know the rhetoric between russia and the u.s. has been very tense on that matter moscow and washington have accused each other of stoking violence there both russia and the u.s. agree on kofi annan peace plan which was designed to enable the syrians to choose their own future eventually but they see they have seen so far quite differently on how to reach that goal i mean commonalities guy and this sounds to me
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a little bit too political sort of like dancing around kind of talking you know sort of press release statements i mean up until this point and it's been a long it's been several months of disagreement between the two countries on syria i mean what could they possibly come up with that's going to yield you know agreement or some sort of future bilateral action. now and this is where they're trying to achieve some kind of you know common is not just the statement but like a course of actions but it's not very hard it's not very easy to get there because you know sides see it differently for example. the u.s. the u.s. you know they coordinate the efforts of some arab countries in providing weapons into syria which russia sees as an action which or undermines kofi annan six point
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peace plan so there are certain issues that down there is certainly nothing to nothing groundbreaking to expect from this summit. i mean there are all of them all the major global players are here to talk about those issues and i as we know it's . not just syria that the two countries disagree on we talked a little bit before you know the u.s. refusing to change their plans to build this u.s. missile defense shield but also this list and i want to talk with you about this list of eleven u.s. officials that russia has come out with in some ways symbolic to say you know hey you want to talk to us about human rights violations why don't you talk to yourself first how has this list come out yet and who could possibly be on it. well i first of all i want to give a little bit of context here there are attempts in congress right now to pass a new restricting law against russia that would be tied to human rights you know a travel ban for those russian officials from the u.s.
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congress deems as involved in human rights violations the u.s. senate foreign affairs committee is now set to consider the so-called magnitsky case law the u.s. has already banned eleven russian officials from entry to the united states and those who were allegedly involved you know had a rally in the death of the anti-corruption lawyer sergei magnitsky in russia and now someone to expend that you know but russia has as they are. retaliated in a way by barring eleven. and serving us officials from for human rights abuses in facilities including guantanamo bay and the abu ghraib and iraq we don't know the names of those people is what people but according to russian officials those are people to high profile human rights abuses including torture and abuse of detainees again in special praise and set up by the pentagon and the central intelligence agency in guantanamo back room in afghanistan and abu ghraib in iraq so it's
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a very contentious issue right there so there is a positive but there is a positive agenda as walker says the u.s. and russia are committed to you know boosting trade because right now it's seen the low russia was a very good anyway are administration but there is still the jackson we're sorry we're out of time but certainly some good information there keep your eyes out definitely keep us posted r.t. correspondent. let's switch gears now the to new york city the streets there are absolutely packed on father's day with people hoping to send a message to mayor michael bloomberg and police commissioner ray kelly they're going to end the policy known as stop and frisk take a look at the march and you will notice that it's pretty quiet so it's a silent march the crowd estimated to be as large as fifty thousand people who took part members of the end of a c.p.a. the a.c.l.u. the national action network and thousands of people concerned about
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a policy in which new york police are not only allowed they are encouraged to stop people behaving in a way they deem suspect last year six hundred eighty five thousand seven hundred twenty four people were stopped eighty eight percent of those guess what they were innocent and fifty three percent of them were black thirty four percent of them latino so let's be honest folks the racial profiling aspect of this is unquestionable the march was a success but it did turn a little chaotic with many protesters clashing with police by the end and i want to go now to karl dix from the revolutionary communist party he's in new york and karl you were at the margy yesterday how to go i thought it went great i thought this was something that needed to happen that people who hate stop and frisk who see it for the racist illegal policy that it is had a chance to come out and express that position and to say we don't want
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a tweak stop and frisk we don't want it mended but not in good as mayor bloomberg is fond of beginning to say we want to see that policy ended so i thought it was a great day to yesterday. now we put the numbers up just a moment ago six hundred eighty five thousand plus people stopped for us in two thousand and eleven some people estimating that as many as eight hundred thousand people could be stopped this year under this policy talk a little bit about what what you think is actually behind this you know the mayor the police commissioner of course saying they want to prevent crime before it happens think there's some else going on here but there's definitely something else going on and they are on pace to top eight hundred thousand this year and what's going on is that black and latino youth in particular are being treated like criminals guilty until proven innocent if they can survive to prove their innocence i mean you look at the fact that like seven out of eight people who are stopped
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they can't even write them a ticket let alone a rest them so they're stopping people who are doing nothing wrong when you look at their reports of the suspicions that lead them to stop people the thing that's most often cited is what they call furtive movements and in explaining these furtive movements their actions absolutely contradictory some officers think a furtive movement is when someone looks away from them. other officers consider it a furtive movement to look them directly in me-i bets not any suspicion beyond the fact of the color of people's skin and using that to determine what's criminal that's racial profiling it is unconstitutional in fact it is racist it's wrong and it needs to be stopped and how do you give us a your take on certainly the march seemed like a success the amount of people that came out pretty amazing but after the march was
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sort of officially over there were clashes with police i was sort of following this on twitter a police moving people dividing some of the protesters a lot of chaos happening a couple people treated there were people getting dragged away by the police did you see sort of this aspect of yesterday's march i saw some parts of it to me that's a very minor thing what happened was a silent march was cold. thousands and thousands of people marched silently down fifth avenue at the end of it some people felt that they had to raise their voices did so the police i thought were overly heavy handed in dealing with it trying to force people physically on the street pushing people around and that's what precipitated the clash but it was a minor thing in relation to an overall very strong silent march and get to me here is much more the question because cornel west and i issued
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a call back in the fall for a campaign of civil disobedience to and stop and for us to stop stop and frisk we did three police stations we put forward let's stop this not let's change it let's tweak it but let's stop it and the question becomes we think that those actions helped to bring yesterday about the question is going forward from here because the mayor is saying i'll mend it but not in did and we need a movement of resistance is not going to allow that to happen i know you mentioned garneau as they were so into we're showing video of dr west right now and actually have our little ssion from them before i want them yes yes from when you got arrested last time certainly you have been working on this for so long i think it's we have i think it's interesting my karl mayor bloomberg has that he wants to end the stand your ground law that was the law made famous in the shooting death of florida teen trayvon martin and yet he you know this is a policy the stop and frisk policy under his watch you know that also sort of
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targets people who are not necessarily committing crimes do you think that's a little ironic yes well no it's not ironic because what bloomberg is saying is i will criticize racial profiling fifteen hundred eighteen hundred miles away however when my police carry it out it is ok because it's aimed at crime and what it's aimed at is criminalizing the youth and what i wanted to bring in those of us who got arrested in that civil disobedience campaign we've got. trials coming up one in brooklyn one in queens and we are saying what we did was not criminal stop and frisk is criminal and we're going to be building a big defense effort was circulating a resolution calling for dropping the charges on us we're focusing on one young man no chain particular who's been targeted in arrested by the police four times and we're saying and stop and frisk and that's what we need to keep the resistance going a big march like yesterday was very important but if people go back to sleep on
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this they will maybe make some surface changes but keep the essence of stop and frisk in effect and that would mean still a pipeline to racially targeted mass incarceration still millions and millions of people living their lives in michigan the criminal injustice system in this country which to me is something like a slow genocide targeting inner city blacks and latinos and one that we have to stop because like my sticker on my shoulder says mass incarceration plus silence equals genocide it's time to break the silence and that's what we're working on doing and certainly had a very big crowd out there very symbolic that it was on father's day because you know a lot of these people are young people young men who are being targeted people from every race background a really good turnout we appreciate you telling us giving us the insight on a carl dix from the revolutionary communist party in our new york studios and for us here that's going to do it but for more on the stories we covered go to you tube
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