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who was held captive by the taliban for forty five days. the true. eleven years ago america began its war on terror and today in afghanistan a u.s. war continues to be waged by current guest has a very unique perspective on what has happened in continues to take place there joining me now to talk more about this topic is journalist and author jerry van dyke mr van dyke wrote a book called captive my time as
a prisoner of the taliban thank you for joining our team thank you mr van dyck as i mentioned the war on terror began some eleven years ago and u.s. troops according to president barack obama are expected to fully withdraw by the end of twenty fourteen is that a sign of victory or defeat in this so-called war on terror i don't think it's a sign of either one i think it's a sign that the u.s. public is tired of this we initially went in for one specific reason and that was to dismantle the government of the taliban and to destroy al qaeda now people ask why are we still there how many are there under president bush in the early part of the obama administration we heard the numbers fifty there maybe fifty left in afghanistan are we there because a fifty fifty al qaeda members know it is morphed into something far larger than that is it because the former soviet union the former what we'll call the
stands it was because she could stand because if. you could stand to have the largest untapped oil and natural gas reserves in the world if you talk to the afghans you talk the taliban they'll say oh that's why the united states wants to stay here people say it's because we want to surround iran bases in the gulf we have bases once before in iraq we certainly have them in afghanistan do we want afghanistan and pakistan not to go to war with one another neither the bush administration. no the obama administration has been straight with the american public about that and finally we are responsible long with other nations for creating the very people against whom we are now fighting these were all allies of the united states and its allies during the one nine hundred eighty s. we haven't been straight with the american public why what we have created which evolved in some cases into parts of which evolved into al qaeda and which are we trying to dismantle that can you tell me what the war on terror looks like through
the eyes of the taliban. no one's ever asked me that very good question very interesting question when i was a newspaper reporter enough ghana's stand in the one nine hundred eighty s. new york times when we were tied with some of the members of the taliban today we called them the mujahideen which means holy warriors the taliban told me that we are the sons and the grandsons of the mujahideen when i was captured by the taliban and when i was in prison i had to listen for hours and hours and hours to taliban recruitment tapes and suicide recruitment tapes they talked of or they sing a chant of pashtoon history pashtoon geography pashtoon poetry this is a nationalist movement in their view they are simply trying to free themselves of foreign infidel invaders exactly like their fathers and grandfathers in order to
have what they feel is a proper islamic government the taliban have become somewhat different. and that is it's a result of their ties to al qaeda. which is comprised of foreigners primarily arabs gyptian zx saadi chechens specs those from western china and even some from europe so it is a different entity entirely it is strictly it interested in international jihad but the taliban have been. because of their ties to al qaeda and because of the twenty four seven news cycle they have become far more international but deep down in their hearts they're interested in one thing and that is an islamic government and a pashtoon islamic government now postured i don't want to make this too complicated for viewers but for them the pashtoon are afghanistan and they were at war before we came up with what we call the northern alliance the
tajiks these are different ethnic groups in the north so this is also an element here there's an ethnic war at play here as much as anything else but deep down more than anything else they want a unified pashtoon land they want an afghanistan that is deeply muslim their interest ultimately is certainly not to attack the united states but because of their exposure to the international world now they're far more capable of trying to go across to soviet central asia to expand the perhaps into iran yeah that element is there you were how hostage forty five things by the taliban what was that experience like. frightening. thing. what did you learn that you didn't know about. i thought initially i would be
killed immediately but what i learned and what surprised me was that even though i was a prisoner. even though i lived in constant fear. that i was also treated with respect and i was treated as a guest. because and this gets to the heart of your question ultimately. tribal law. pashtoon tribal law called pashtun while the tribal codes take precedence over islam they deep down there they are members of tribes more than they are muslims and i think that's one reason why i survived. i'm not sure why i survived. and why did they let you go after forty five things i still don't know the answer you don't i think it's i'm trying to find out i get many i
hear i get many what did they say to you once they were unlocking the chains from your army said congratulations on escaping death i daresay this i will that about a year ago i got a call from someone a foreigner european and he asked me to go down to an apartment in new york two min there were questions from pakistan here by the invited by the state department on their way back to pakistan getting ready to catch a flight the very first question they asked me was. who kidnapped you. the taliban. or the government. my jailer said to me not a shot would be fired in afghanistan without the backing of the pakistani government so with the taliban in touch with the government did the government of pakistan know i was there did the government of pakistan in to intervene and ultimately save me. did kill all of the in the hood county network.
that we are at war with. and with which i lived in the one nine hundred eighty s. and his name i use constantly to try and save me and who i was trying to get to because i thought by getting to a kani i could find out about al qaeda did he ultimately hold on to that tribal law and say me i've heard so many different things that's why it's a very murky complicated place in the war is far far different from the way we perceive it in the media speaking of tribes what are u.s. intelligence capabilities among the tribes do you believe that washington has enough knowledge when it comes to the language and cultural experience of the particular reasons in afghanistan that need to be fully understood there was a general flynn i think his name was and this was about two thousand and nine two thousand and ten who was in chief of intelligence under then military general
stanley mcchrystal mcchrystal who said and i quote we are flying blind in afghanistan how many pashtun speakers are there when you when you find out in the u.s. intelligence committee when you look when you talk to for example interpreters you find out that there is a huge underground network of interpreters all of whom have to pay bribes before they can work with with the american soldiers who controls these interpreters well i'm not sure that they're going to completely free at all but television can easily infiltrate this is my own experience i don't think the u.s. intelligence capabilities are nearly what they're portrayed to be however. when you get to someplace like pakistan i think it's possibly a bit different we have drones overhead we're constantly under president obama we've ratcheted up the number of drone attacks those drones and i've been under drones how do they know where to attack you have to have the. information on the
ground where does that information come from it comes from working closely in tandem with pakistani military intelligence that they would choose to attack their attack there why after so many years where we have we not been able to kill the leader of the county network or mullo omar or go beneath the are the three leaders of the taliban or why did we have to go in and kill osama bin laden why didn't the pakistani intelligence tell us where these people were maybe they knew or maybe they don't know but i happen to think they absolutely know. but they have we have to have that intelligence on the ground and i think it's far better in pakistan then in afghanistan but it comes because pakistan works closely with these people and they work closely with the united states and who they want to attack they want to allow the united states to attack i say this interview by asking about afghanistan but i want to wrap it up by asking you about something you said that because you recently said that you believe the u.s. and and its allies are fighting a proxy war against. own with the media but that is at all without
a doubt that that could create an even more dangerous time to make clearly and in that area of the world if they still don't know what they're doing in afghanistan can't figure it out rightly right is pakistan our ally or is it our enemy now the taliban and you take someone like former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff admiral mike mullen who said that kani network is an arm of the pakistani i.s.i. pakistani military intelligence that we the united states have paid at least twelve billion dollars have given a different forms at least twelve billion dollars to the pakistani military since nine eleven but the pakistani military according to former admiral mike mullen said every everyone else is backing the taliban so we are supplying money to the very people that are providing this money to the taliban to attack u.s.
forces why would pakistan back to tell it. what is pakistan's interest in afghanistan no single afghan legislature in the history of afghanistan has accepted the border between afghanistan and pakistan afghanistan was the only nation in the world to vote against pakistan admittance to the united nations in one thousand nine hundred seventy one single thing the border in one thousand nine hundred three the british when they ruled india created what this called the durand line they do not accept the fact that the land that once belonged to them that the british took away should belong to pakistan and this is deep down at the heart of this particular never ending war in the middle of which the united states and its soldiers continue to die over a war that once started out against al-qaeda which is morphed into something far deeper far more complicated there's an old afghan saying it's got to stand it's very easy to enter but it's very hard to believe we're not leaving by two thousand
margetts weiner scandal. find out what's really happening to the global economy cause a report on. the headlines on our two and a six day of fury shakes the muslim world as protesters across the globe rally against america is following the release of a controversial film designed to mark islam. diplomats rushed to douse the flames and salvage ties with the muslim world experts point to america's mideast foreign policy as alternately being responsible for the unrest. across europe is engulfed with the austerity protests once again people want the belt tightening measures to end over one and a half million people in spanish currently calling for independence. and u.s.
sanctions against iran of failing to curb oil trade as heavy consumer nation so once again exempt from the measures. let's get some action in here there's mr unit o'neill your world of sports the army men are continuing their march up the russian football table that is exactly right. less than stellar beginning reach this season but now if five wins in a row they can boast of a we're going to have a look at their latest win in just a sec. thanks for joining us this sunday evening here in central moscow this is sports day plenty of having to take. on home ice. gig on shore become the first n.h.l. stars to return to russia the n.h.l. officially locks itself on. ozzie allison grow u. bend to the legend alessandro del piero touches down in sydney to begin his tenure
as the country's highest paid. patrick hero it's been a weekend to remember for sure lanky and boss man whom are saying get carla he wins three major global cricket awards and a very. russian n.h.l. ors are not free to play ice hockey in their home country or indeed anywhere else for that matter the north american league unable to come up with a new labor agreement this weekend resulting in its second work stoppage since two thousand and five two russian n.h.l. all-stars haven't found the ready return to their roots although a defenseman surrogate gone chara and pittsburgh forward. trained with their former club magnitogorsk during the negotiations they are now officially reunited on the ice putting pen to paper with the cage shell squad on a year long deal soon as the law went into effect on saturday night the previous n.h.l. lockout wiped out the entire two thousand and four zero five season. reigning
champions league. we're in for quite an eye opener at the hands of a truck door today no rocks man going down for one and for their second loss in the past half a dozen games check veteran young pulis showing east of the plenty left in the time to thirty four year old scoring the first on the law school of the game trattoria have now won three out of the first four games of this early stage given this season while the newly resurrect. t.v. yugoslavia are currently one zero up against the home. start of the season are seeking a fourth when in fact. let's turn our attention to football. all the way up to second place in the russian premier league following the first of sunday's three games the army man beating allowing you to know for their fifth straight the when. making the difference in that one. second race run in oregon in the n.g.'s clash on
the home side very much in the driving seat to score forty two. later rock bottom to. the days are. over tottenham will be aiming to secure their first win of the premier league season when they kick off reading very shortly after three games spurs secured just in points while newly promoted reading also had a less than stellar start posting just solid things to their name meanwhile liverpool manager brendan rodgers has been speaking about the week which saw british prime minister david cameron apologize over the handling of the hillsborough studion disaster ninety six reds fans died after being crushed during an f.a. cup game in one thousand nine hundred. bit difficult week of course as you can imagine. and it was the. moment you know. it would be a real emotional week because when you say. to the contrary no you. you
show your agreement we. agree with. an emotional. to spawn a football where barcelona have maintained their position at the top of the league at the capital on side beating tough a four one away as arch rivals real madrid again slipped up the introduction of substitute leo messi a decisive move in the bar so much with the world leader of the year netting twice in a four minute second half period while real madrid season has gone from bad to worse but last the article is not sitting made civil following a one zero loss to severe to simply mean you as men have won only once this season for it. over in the german bund this league of brasil dortmund fans once again turned out in numbers on were even joined by chancellor angela merkel as the reigning champions hosted by our leverkusen not tell most people who are twenty minutes in yacoob blast to come ski without
a second before time for robert eleventh off ski now the third in the second period as those crews to a confident free. world champions main rivals on last year's run a shop tempting to maintain their perfect start to their campaign against maine's mario chan bustin swine steiger on the female lead after just thirty minutes of play last year's champions the finalists were unlikely to let the lead slip from their not proved to be the case with biron winning three goals to one one points from their first three games. i the biggest signing in australian football history has arrived on their two thousand and six world cup winner alessandro del piero greeted by local tribes as he prepares to begin his tenure with sydney f.c. the legendary forward reminded of his former glories a soon as he arrived signing autographs of. ventas colors plenty of pressure on the
thirty seven year old to perform as well with a two year deal seeing him earn two point one million u.s. dollars per annum that contract means he's the highest paid player across the streets for footballing codes. rugby union rugby league history rules for parents. in boxing sergio martinez has reclaimed the w.b.c. middleweight title after beating meskin julio cesar chavez jr by unanimous decision in las vegas the argentine was stripped of the title two years ago for feeling to take on among the three challenger to shove it to new seating if he felt dominated saturday night's loss for eleven runs on was heading for a comfortable points decision before late free from chavez jr almost security guard morning twice during the harvest in the final round of managed to get its feet so implications army had also gone more than enough to win when the final bell so.
a terrible tragedy in the world of rugby with one of the sport's rising stars dying while trying to save his father on saturday all star player nevin spence his brother and father drowning in the story time accident the twenty two year old to family members believed overcome by toxic fumes after falling into the pits of their family home outside those burnt northern ireland spencer sr also fell into the story but survived the accident the up and coming center on wing bruce to prominence playing for. eleven caps for ireland's under twenty squad on three for the irish senior reserves. to cricket where the twenty twenty world cup gets underway this week in sri lanka they are the founding champions in that shortest format of the game having recently lost top spot in the test rankings to south africa england captain stuart broad will be keen for his side to reassert their dominance in t twenty cricket south africans also happened to be the top ranked t twenty side in the world but are still seeking their first major i.c.c.
tournaments victory on their captain a.b. de villiers admits in the past pressure may have got to this side. i'm going to be very honest with you i'm going to put out this trial up front to be a church in the past and we know about that if you if that's the riches of people it's a simple as that we've had some really bad a very bad experience in the past but are locked in for solace of us post we come in with a whole new look in the team we've worked really hard with a whole new management team which is giving us a lot of energy and a lot of new ideas so we will approach just two of them and differently we would like to win the precious situations we are going out there to do exactly that and like i said be prepared and really excited for the two to get onto the field meanwhile it was a busy night for kumar signing a car at the annual i c c awards ceremony the sri lankan winning three awards including the people's choice voted for by the public the batsman who not almost fifteen hundred runs in the past twelve months was also named test cricketer of the
year the icing on the floor price as i.c.c. cricketer of twenty two. rides it's an amazing on a i've seen the people who've gone before and i've seen the nominees and the year these guys have had i just sat and watched it had my all the all the guys up there going for land faced in two hours i got out to twice i reckon in syria and so it's great to be among them and it's a huge honor to win and that is how the world of sports this hour i'll be back in just under two hours time for more but whether it's next on ruiz here with all the news at the top of the hour.
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