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just over a week after aaron swartz took his own life the whistle blowing web site wiki leaks reveals it had ties to the computer prodigy was this part of the reason for swartz as harsh prosecution we'll discuss it was one of the strongest pledges candidate obama made before his first term four years to the day after making that promise again as president the guantanamo bay detention facility remains open why this facility remains open but the former get no official. r.t. exclusive web producer andrew blake travels all the way to new zealand to catch up with mega upload creator kim dot com his newest internet ventures and the latest on his extradition case coming up.
it's tuesday january twenty second four pm in washington d.c. i'm christine freeze out and you're watching our t.v. beginning this hour news out of texas just hours ago shots rang out on the campus of lone star college near houston early reports indicate the shooting occurred between two students in the school's academic building three people have been injured and a fourth person is reported to have suffered a heart attack according to federal law enforcement one is now listed in critical condition and apparently we're getting later reports that one person shot is actually one of the shooters not along star college campus along with nearby public schools were placed into lockdown mode police have one suspect a person of interest in custody and there are reports that the second gunman is on the loose not on school grounds we're going to give you the latest as this story
develops. while there are a few questions being raised following the death of internet activist and reddit co-founder aaron swartz twenty six year old young man was found dead from an apparent suicide in his new york apartment just over a week ago so art was the target of an investigation by the u.s. attorney's office in massachusetts accused of breaking and entering into an mit storage closet and illegally downloading millions of academic articles and then making those articles public so it turns out among his many endeavors he may have also been a source to the whistle blowing web site wiki leaks let me just show you some tweets put out by wiki leaks due to the investigation into the secret service involvement with aaron swartz we have decided to disclose disclose the following facts one aaron swartz assisted wiki leaks to aaron swartz was in communication with julian assange on including during two thousand and ten and two thousand and eleven three we have strong reasons to believe but cannot prove that aaron swartz it was a wiki leaks sort of source hash tag aaron swartz so far with the leaks is not
saying more than that other than to confirm if those tweets were indeed authentic now is a strange development in this case especially since wiki leaks doesn't usually reveal anything about sources or potential sources the information is prompting questions about the extremely aggressive pursuit of sorts by the u.s. attorney's office the u.s. secret service also involved in this investigation and we imagine much more will be revealed about iran's role and relationship with wiki leaks in the coming days. want to stay on the topic of aaron swartz for a little longer and also to talk a little more broadly about the cause near and dear to his heart internet freedom producer andrew blake is here to talk more about this and andrew i just returned from new zealand where i know you're meeting with internet entrepreneur as well as upload founder kim dot com before we start just tell us a little bit remind us of the back story of kim dotcom and what's going on with him conduct on actually goes back quite
a ways he's been involved in computers in the tech industry for around a decade now but exactly one year ago kim's website megaupload dot com was shut down by the f.b.i. this is a web site with millions of users at one point it was in the top five most visited websites in the entire country and so that's where people can take a large files upload them and send them to friends because you can't really do that over email plus you pay top money to have a very very strong account so maybe upload a few years ago and then last year the f.b.i. coordinator with new zealand authorities his home in new zealand and rested him put him behind bars for all its assets and shut down the site and essentially put his whole career on hold put his whole life on hold he's looking now if he's extra to the u.s. and he's convicted here he could spend decades in prison so it's been one year since sept that whole fiasco went under way and i sat down with him and talked about what's happened in the year sentence so he is in new zealand now and i know that you sort of had a visit just and you just got back and you had the opportunity to talk to him to
sit down with him one on one and it turns out he had heard of aaron swartz and knew what had happened talk a little bit about this exchange and how this came up. as you know was it was a frequent guest on our team was on at least a dozen times over the last year and he was on one year ago when mega upload was shut down by the f.b.i. and he was on to talk about it and you know kim recalls it. was very grateful that he had such a such a genuine caring person who was so motivated by you know having an open internet. that he was advocating for the release of megaupload in talking about the injustices they were in place here so you know kim in and aaron of course are both in the same industry but. kim is more of a entrepreneur and now he's advocating for online freedoms but you know at one point he made his whole fortune off of being a businessman he was you know comparing himself with there and a little bit at least talking about what they were both striving for in terms of creating an open internet yeah let's hear what he had to say. but let me be clear
i'm a businessman ok i started mega upload as a business to make money and i wanted to list the company i'm an entertainer alright i'm not. my hero he was selfless he is completely the opposite of me but i'm a businessman i'm driven by the success of achieving something in the business world ok that's not a crime there's nothing wrong with that. so really can dot com just kind of laying it out there being very honest about the difference you know he was in it to make money and he really sees aaron swartz as somebody who did this because it's what he believed in and of course another thing that we had aaron to talk about a lot was some of the cyber security legislation so the stop by law and online piracy act the protect ip act and it's going to be really interesting to talk you know to watch what happens with these pieces of legislation which didn't pass the
first time around but what's going to come up the next time around with this new congress we were able to talk to him about that as well yeah i mean we we talked for a half an hour about a lot of different if you talk about so but we talked about and we talk about mega upload we talked about the new project mego which was just launched over the weekend and you know ken was kind of all over the place and he talked about you know how he did start off as a businessman but what happened was after this raid last year he found out that his e-mails his correspondence phone calls were all being being wiretapped by different intelligence organizations and although you know he's always been involved in the internet industry only in the past year he really started concentrating about privacy and not piracy as the u.s. government says that is his big business so his new project mega is a way for people to share files online once again upload files on to someone else but everything is incredibly very very strongly encrypted so that you know the watching eyes of big brother you know whatever government whatever i.s.p.
your send your data through can't necessarily see why. it is you want to share with other people and so ken was talking about you know one side just wanted to make something so that people be able to share files i wanted to be an innovator i wanted to find a way that would be able to get one thing from one place to another easily but over the last year over everything that's happened he's realized that it's not as easy as just doing that you need to actually find a way to do that securely and to protect yourself because you never know who's watching what you're doing and i think we have another part of that interview that we can play. the white house was supporting. and only when the masses came together and aaron schwartz i mean he's stopped. with his efforts he stopped when he became a target a political target ok and that's why all these things happened to him there's no reasonable. course behind going off the young like that in the fashion
they did it's political and you're on without a time i want to switch gears really quick kim dotcom and anonymous a totally different topic here in new anonymous the hacktivist group is supported can dot com for a while they're kind of mad at him these days what's going on a few years ago before megaupload was ever shut down there was a whole other case about something called ninja video is another site where people were able to share files which may or may not have been illegal copyright infringement this and that the f.b.i. shut down into video and as we found out of the last couple of months we had was new video was operating through mega upload and so a lot of a lot of hackers hacktivists if you want to call people who are loosely with anonymous have called into question conduct comes affiliation with the f.b.i. so here's a guy who now is you know adamantly opposed to this whole we're trying over internet activist it's being launched by the obama administration but just a few years ago he was cooperating with the f.b.i. so anonymous is now calling for a boycott of these members novice confort boycott of mega but you know tim was saying that he didn't do anything wrong he was operating his business and when the federal government came to him and asked him to comply with the search warrant he
always assisted the government he was always a good corporate citizen and it just came to bite him in the ass eventually i think the word snitch is now being is a lot of questions raise a lot of really important things to keep our eyes on here are two web producer andrew blake thanks so much. so i had four years after president obama pledged to shut down guantanamo bay the detention facility still stands so what the change of heart will dive into both sides of the debate. say. let me let me i want to know we're going to let me ask you a question. here on this network if we're having
a debate we have our knives out. but if you decide to spank staying there again you're in a situation where the united nations talk about surveillance me. the worst you're going to face. white house chief of a. radio guy and pull out of jail minutes from a quick profit i want to quote more about that because you've never seen anything like this on color. it was four years ago today that president obama made this promise to the nation we
will close the guantanamo bay detention camp and determine how to deal with those who have been held there. well since that time president obama has not only not close guantanamo bay he has twice to sign legislation that he first promised to veto that makes it more difficult for him to close gitmo the national defense authorization act is the pentagon spending bill but it is also it also a sections in it that restrict the executive branch's ability to transfer detainees as outlined in section ten twenty eight so he essentially signed a bill that limits his own authority to carry out a promise he made to the american people there are also sections ten twenty one in ten twenty two from the two thousand and twelve version of the bill which allowed for indefinite detention of prisoners including those who've not ever been charged but as far as closing guantanamo bay itself there are some detainees who are believed to be al qaeda fighters about eight percent of them the other ninety two percent are not and that's according to the u.s. government eighty six of those detainees have been cleared for release and yet they
remain behind bars after one ton of obey these statistics are part of the reason several hundred people showed up to protest earlier this month on the eleventh anniversary of guantanamo bay i was there and i spoke to several people who said this is an issue that affects every single american. it's international law it's us saw that we don't torture and actually many of us are it makes us less safe when we mistreat people and torture them some military view of us said this is a great recruiting tool for al qaeda look what they're doing to our muslim brothers in guantanamo and really here it's supposed to be about human rights and justice and freedom and this is not in line with those values so i want to talk about this anniversary four years to the day of a promise made and so far that's been unfulfilled and joining me now to discuss is colonel morris davis currently a professor at howard university school of law previously chief prosecutor at guantanamo bay and also neil mccabe
a senior writer with human events at fellows thanks so much for coming on i saw it today and i know that you and i have talked about this quite a few times before but i think it's really important to get out there why in your opinion is want on the base still open. it's been a lack of will really on the president's part i mean i think he was sincere when he took office and four years ago said we're going to close it within one year and we sit here four years later and it's still open what mentioned yesterday during his inaugural address. and it's just an unfortunate chapter of the just keeps going on and on and the i want to get your take i mean do you think that promise should have even been made in the first place i thought it was reckless i think that he was sort of playing to the crowd there were people who wanted to believe that it was possible get mo had become sort of a symbol of sort of bad america and president obama always wants to be on the side of sort of nice america but these are these are irregular combatants who have been taken off the field and they really should be considered prisoners of war you don't
put prisoners of war on trial you sort of keep take them off the battlefield until the war is over but you know as we said eighty six of them have been cleared for release because not only are they not you know have any affiliation with al qaeda they have been you know cleared good to go and there's just issues putting them back with the you know to. sending them back to the country that they're from you say it's a symbol of bad america but that symbol is a recruiting tool well i think that there was going to be that recruitment anyway. the alternative really to guantanamo bay is sort of this drone war because the president doesn't want to put anyone else in get mo rather than taking you off the battlefield he'll just attack you with a drone as you're having dinner with your family so i think if the choice is between drones and get mo maybe maybe get most prefer able but you know neal said that you know they were taken to guantanamo and they're really essentially prisoners of war we took them to guantanamo to avoid calling on prisoners of war
you know we pick one totally because those outside the reach of the long we came up with these new classification of unlawful enemy combatants so the geneva conventions wouldn't apply well you know colonel that is it's not so much a new distinction because they are irregulars they haven't identified themselves as combatants their organizations haven't signed any treaties or conventions so really news are combatants outside the law and whatever we give them it get mo is basically gratis it's just out of our the kindness of our heart we owe them nothing and we'll call that one time of day a symbol of bad america it is also a symbol of a place where torture was known to have taken place now when president bush was in office and quite a bit of information came out about interrogation tactics used called waterboarding on president obama came into office he made it a priority you know to outline crack outlaw excuse me practices like waterboarding i want to play something that he said really quick. under my administration the united states does not torture. so no torture going on really really interesting
and this is timely and i want to bring it up just over the weekend a one hundred thirty nine page report came out by the united nations outlining that torture in fact does still go on in afghanistan this is a country we're trying to leave you know at the end of next year in the report one and disturbing thing i want to point out it's said many of those tortured to extract confessions were children under the age of eighteen seventy six percent of those children held in fact had reported they had experienced torture or ill treatment so even though this isn't going to happen if it's not going to happen at guantanamo bay it's still going on talk a little bit about more broadly colonel colonel davis about torture and how that is perceived well it's interesting that the theme for the inauguration yesterday was faith in america's future but you can't have faith in the future when you have turned a blind eye to the past which is what we've done with torture for the last decade
there's been judges have been former bush administration officials other governments that have acknowledged that we torture john mccain is waterboarding is torture so we acknowledge that we did it but we totally ignore responsibility for torture we're a signatory to the convention against torture we led the effort to pass them the convention we passed a domestic torture statute the only person we've ever prosecuted was chuckie taylor for torture he committed in liberia and we've totally ignored our passo you can't really have a future when you pretend the past exist but are any of these people first of all i'm not sure what exactly we're talking about when we talk about torture and ill treatment my guess i mean my guess is that none of these none of these children were hooked up to like electrodes you know there may be loud music it may be they've been kept awake for a long period of time i mean i mean a report outlines specific torture that was done on prisoners in general including hanging people by. their wrists for hours by chains beating people on things that
most people would consider torture solitary confinement for a ridiculously amount long amount of time there's reports of that u.s. personnel were beating people it's said that torture is still going on in afghanistan i well i would suggest that maybe us purse if we're talking about u.s. personnel i would be shocked if that was going on in afghanistan right now i think a lot of people would be shocked and the second point though is you know these combatants or any of the members of organizations or countries that have signed these anti torture conventions the obligation is on us not on would they have if they haven't entered into that contract anything we do for them is out of the good no i fear as i think that's i think colonel davis has a good point i mean the united states every year puts out a human rights report pointing out why other countries are bad in terms of the way they treat people overall so when the u.s. whether it's here or in other places is you know going against you know putting u.s. military law there there there there is
a label of irregulars or guerrillas and this goes back to not just this is you know goes back at least one hundred fifty years of the civil war where people who do not identify themselves as combatants who do not behave as regular combatants are not given the same protection as regular soldiers as they are given the common article three status you know the one chose kuantan a mode to totally ignore the geneva conventions and say they were coins and they didn't apply they had no rights other than whatever the president chose to give them out of the goodness of his heart the supreme court stepped in and said oh contraire the law does apply and common article three is a baseline for treatment so i'm going to have as you were the chief prosecutor on time obey and you resigned and the main reason you resigned was because you really disagreed with what you were saying is that right now was my policy been for two years we would use evidence obtained by torture and then. new officials appointed above me to say president bush said we don't torture and he said we don't then who
are you to say that we do and to me that was just a line to florida to go into an american court of justice with evidence obtained by methods that senator mccain and others say constitutes torture and to use that to convict someone instead of some to death was a step too far for me i mean what do you think about that i mean i just i just first of all with the waterboarding and things like that the actual population of people who are physically waterboard is is very small and the second thing is that what we're calling torture people in their mind they're thinking about you know bamboo stuck under fingernails and people being electrocuted i think loud music people being kept awake i think the the normal sort of sort of what we want to say enhanced interrogation but i'll just say enhanced interrogation there is a war going on and where we're trying to get information of people i certainly don't support what they say colonel west did you know pretending to shoot someone in the head for information and in fact i've interviewed
a witness of that and i think that sort of obviously there are things across the line but the fact of the matter is you know if you have information in a military operation you're not going to decide not to use it because you didn't get it from you know a clean source what do you think looking ahead we talked about the past looking ahead i mean is there any way you think that the u.s. government would be able to eventually shut down guantanamo bay no i think that i i think it should be open forever i'd like kuantan all day i like the idea of one hundred day and i certainly prefer it to the drone war where basically you take a listen you know the president gets a list of americans that he and he basically checks off which ones he's going to attack with a drone missile i think that a lot of people who are about to get droned in the next two or three days were probably prefer to stay here guantanamo bay and what was it you said you've been to guantanamo bay what was your experience there i was in the i was in the u.s. coast guard and that's where name. and coast guard personnel go for training i've also very good friends with reservists who have been at guantanamo bay actually at
the facility and none of them saw torture and one of them sorry any of the crazy things i'm sure any of those things that go on probably go on in a certain part just i want to put the last question to you colonel davis i mean looking ahead now i mean what would it take and what he who wants to be involved to sort of change the course here i think the president was right yesterday in his remarks he said it's up to him and up to the public a wide range of issues to do stand up and do the right thing you know you didn't talk about guantanamo in the national security issues but put that in the same category the people you know if you condone it when we do it to others then we have no right to complain when people do it so we all need to stand up in insists that we live by the rule of law which he promised yesterday in his speech that we can have security and still uphold our values and the rule of law so it's going to be more than rhetoric it's got to be reality lying about oh i mean these are i mean it's not like we're dealing with a really over talking about guantanamo bay we're not really talking about well
these are small some of these people are al qaeda the majority of the great vast majority are not well for some reason picked up on the battlefield for questioning and were found i think again if it with all due respect i think that there are countries who want no interest in these people coming back to them and basically saying do not send these people to us that's not that's not how is the situation but we do have to wrap it interesting discussion i think it is very important to get all of these opinions out here because frankly i don't think people are talking about this enough we're tired of colonel morris davis professor currently at howard university school of law also known like a senior writer for human events thanks guys good to be with you. now on to a library in newark new jersey or people are looking at more than the walls were more at the walls lately than they are at the book's artist kara walker has often stirred the pot with her frank depictions of race violence and desire throughout history well walker calls it this work the moral arc of history ideally bends towards justice but not as just as soon as not curves
a back around toward barbarism sadism and unrestrained chaos now she says this two thousand painting conjures up the horrors of the reconstruction and jim crow historical periods you can see there in the back the ku klux klan in the background but it's what's in the foreground that's creating controversy if you look closely you can see a white man forcing a black woman to perform oral sex on him now it is this aspect of the artwork that generated controversy when the work was hung up at the newark public library back in november the painting was on loan from a private collection less than a week later some employees of the library requested that the image be covered its provocative images hidden by a quad walker an african-american herself has faced outrage from the past in the past from the black community for her quote demeaning representation of african-americans and history this time it seems was no different walker responded to the newark library staff's concerns she said quote i'm sorry that the staff is so put off by the work that they feel the need to prevent others from seeing it and
making their own call to look away i don't advocate any kind of censorship the promise of any artwork is that it can hold us viewer and maker in a conflicted or contestable space without real world injury or loss that's kara locker the artist now months later the cloth is gone and the our work is back on display at the new york public library so will it cause library goers to think more about the times and females walker depicts interracial violence gender and american legacy often obscured by patriotism or will they look away and discomfort either way walker's work has fulfilled a primary function of art getting people talking. all right as we just saw hours ago and as i told you about in the beginning of the show is shots rang out in the campus of lone star college in houston texas early reports indicate the shooting occurred between two students in the school's academic building leaving three injured two of the victims suffered multiple gunshot wounds and now we have
a statement released by lone star college via its official twitter account lone star college confirms that the shooting was the result of an argument between two individuals the statement also confirmed that three were wounded at the school wrote that the danger has been mitigated and the situation there is now under control classes at the lone star college campus have been suspended for the remainder of the day as police continue to investigate and we will of course continue with updates coming up in the next hour depending on what we're able to find out but i thank you so much for joining us that is going to do it for us for now for more on the stories we covered but a you tube dot com slash our team america or our website our team dot com slash usa .
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