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when you send these private companies such as space x. into space instead of nasa shuttles that ends up costing the agency much less but the ultimate question remains who would be held accountable if a private company fails at supplying an entire nation's space program like the i s s. well to a pageant scandal now where miss delaware teen usa has resigned after a sex video allegedly starring her that surfaced online eighteen year old melissa king resigned her crown on tuesday after facing questioning from the miss universe organization you know donald trump's brainchild now in the midst of the scandal surrounding this pageant there are underlying questions about why the sex tape is such a big deal first the women who enter these pageants often do so to earn cash for college so should we really fault them for finding other more nontraditional ways of funding their education perhaps the more palatable question of the girls who
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appear in the pageants are after all half naked half of the time so who then decides where the line of modesty should fall when it comes to women's bodies sadly it often comes down to the organizers people like donald trump who have less than stellar records of their own when it comes to. propriety so before you turn on the television set and watch another american pageant consider the fact that miss universe viewers are already saying contestants for their bodies and their beauty even if there isn't a sex tape waiting in the wings and that's going to do it for now but for more on the stories we covered go to youtube dot com slash r t america or check out our website it's our dot com slash usa our web cam is working hard to bring you the latest and greatest details on all the stories we cover today in a few we didn't have time to get to see you at eight.
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the zero. zero. zero and welcome to cross talk we're all things are considered on people about the italian people have spoken and they're deeply divided how does this bode for the euro and the brussels cash for austerity consensus as well as any plans for structural reform of the currency how long can the eurozone muddle through with high unemployment and recession particularly when voters punishment very harshly anyone who goes for austerity. to cross not the euro crisis i'm joined by dylan matthews in washington he's a reporter for the washington post also in washington we have nicholas varan he is a visiting fellow at the peterson institute for international economics and in
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london we crossed to david coburn he is a member of the u.k. independence party all right folks cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage a deal and if i go to you first in washington political paralysis in italy what does this do for the ongoing euro crisis i mean is it making it far far worse doesn't make it better the one glimmer of hope for the euro. i suppose that can be taken from this is. the democratic party which is probably the most pro euro party won a majority in the lower house but mario monti the technocrat has been leading there at their probe russell's coalition for a while did not have a very good election to sign it. power brokers are all very anti euro and so it seems likely that the democrats will either have to make a deal with that big rio or some of the other anti euro forces in the senate or else we're going to be seeing another election very soon which no one in particular
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wants ok if i go to david in london i mean brussels most people really quite worried to say the least right now. i sure hope there should be i mean you quite frankly you could about two women of probably four seats in the united kingdom in the in the parliament here and i think the italian people are just exacting their right to democratic vote i think they don't want to be ruled by an e.u. proconsul from brussels they want to make their own mistakes in their own decisions if they want to impose a stereotype they rather have an italian government imposing austerity rather than one sponsored by the european union nicholas is this a. verdict on austerity people have had enough now it's primarily a verdict on so tightly and put it good system so i think what we just heard from london is actually it's a bit the other way around the voters in italy have not expressed the nationalists votes in the sense that they prefer to be governed from rooms and from brussels or
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just have said they're political i mean twenty five to doesn't want to five hundred so you're going to lecture it's trying to say is that vote we have a twenty five percent of the electorate voted for a referendum on the e.u. that's pretty significant isn't it. it's not the only things i voted for to vote for systems that condense all the parties that have traditionally by the seen in italy so this is a massive in a way radical revolutionary. system first and foremost of course there are elements about your sturdy. putting into question some of the you commitment this is obvious but if you want to go to the core of what happened this weekend in italy it's a pox on all houses of the italian political systems this is what it is about dylan would you agree with that but this is a european we're going to get a deal and perhaps into this is a pan-european what i think david is oversimplifying the somewhat in the referendum that and his coalition backs is not on membership in the e.u.
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it's on membership in the euro and that's significant certainly and his cap to say with a monetary union should should trouble brussels it's not the same thing you're in the or in the e.u. and not in the euro. and yes but i don't there's a european integration of the right and wouldn't be good because big grillo has called for go ahead nicholas go ahead david is right on this because big grillo has called for reexamining all the treaties ok david go ahead jump in this is a revolution throw europe came to eight hundred forty eight where all the countries the people are revolting against the establishments and all those various countries from spain to greece to italy i also the u.k. and u.k. you have two political parties you have the liberals or conservatives the labor party which is the establishment party and then those you can't which is the opposition and we are trying to change this country the way it's run people are
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sick and tired of the establishment which have back to the european union and got us into the mess we're in dillon go ahead you want to reply that. sure i mean the thing i would say to david is that his his anti brussels' movement is very. diffuse and not in agreement on a lot of other things i don't think many members of ukip would agree with. call for a twenty hour work week or for free tablet computers for all children or. i know of other sort of beyond beyond social democracy programs but which is just to say the letter would agree with their right to me you know decisions are not decided by the european union we believe it should be not us losers' only significant if the italians want to make a mistake and go against the market that's up to them it shouldn't be done to a european proconsul telling them what to do nicholas this the euro and democracy go together or they antithetical. yeah but the current
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the little i have to question them if you want either all of this is of course that it's not either or ok so the question is not because basically we can the european institutions are work in progress to change all the time so they can be improved. i don't either or i mean what they talons want basically and this is supported by all. means want to stay in europe that's the big difference between ukip and the five star movement a five star movement is a movement of the young it is it is. including five star movement voters are culturally pro european and european federalists in general. are anti capitalist a ukip to much older electorate they are much more protest that is there much more nationalistic and that you know if you look at it are younger and they are
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culturally viscerally untie european so these are very different movements are some common threads but you cannot say that you keep an eye on human time much in common syrians. go ahead david all your kids have libertarian support from the young. people very much the young in the u.k. who do not like the european union they think is anti libertarian and they want to have their own say in the u.k. they don't want to be dictated to a bunch of school at all to call the gentleman in brussels who are basically a bunch of crooks and we see what they are the i have a. lovely piece from five star movement and you see the difference i mean there is a massive generational difference dylan you want to jump in there i was asking the question about the euro and democracy go ahead i think there is a tension with the existence of a monetary union and not a fiscal union and the ability of the institution to respond to the interests of of all citizens that there is when you have disparate fiscal policies but the united currency some monetary policies are going to appeal to the german people some are
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going to appeal to the italian people and when you have independence and from being fit isn't to accountable to democratic forces it's really hard to dissolve those just to resolve those disputes and way that the next install parties i mean look i don't i think the differences as nicolas has been saying is. i am i will bet you any amount of money that if tomorrow an actual united states style federal fiscal system emerged in europe and italy was being flooded with money from germany the five star movement would be very much ok with that. the difference between principled opposition in using federal zation oh sure if you think it's impossible then that's obviously a salient factor but it's not i think if you keep has a very well it's a bold opposition to these bureaucrats in brussels and i don't see that same kind of opposition and we also believe that the european union is unworkable we have
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nothing against europe we very much want to work with with the european countries but we want to free trade europe we want to be able to do deals and do business with them but we don't want to be ruled by. brussels i don't think anybody does i don't think the greeks do well that's chucking molotov cocktails around this is not a quiet disapproval of brussels it's quite a violent disapproval of brussels brussels seems to have managed to engender revolutions wrote europe i mean this may sound excitable but it's true i mean spend spend an hour in the us and then you would realise that the people who. have got theirs are not representative of the greek population so it's unfair to the greek public to describe this as a mainstream of greek deal and what's taken lives on business in greece and i can assure you that people get upset you sick to death of the european union there was great greece's only interest in the european union being a member of it and as is italy as long as they're getting money being transferred to keep their economies afloat otherwise they're not interested in what's wrong so what's the what's
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a possibility of could taint interior if there's political deadlock in italy i mean i think that would not endure it or you to see that you see be ordered brussels on it could halt the flow of payments that could make mario draghi less inclined to be able this is the third largest economy in europe if this is not greece. well it's not greece certainly not and i think that would be a significant foreign resistance that might provoke some rethinking but in so far as it prevents the sort of combination of short term. expansionary policy and sort of long term structural adjustments that seem like the only way out of this mass it's probably not going to reassure markets it's probably going to. change the situation from the sort of high unemployment sclerosis that many of these countries are facing at the moment as long as people don't have jobs and the economy is in recession no one is going to look too kindly on these top political establishment in the country nicholas i want to go to you before we go i can tell you something else and i think you and i will order a break go ahead go ahead nicholas yeah. i think the important thing to keep in
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mind is that you know it's how many people who like to buy so you and say he's going to die tomorrow but i think it has proven very resilient and his crisis much more of he said many of the commentators where assuming it if you remember a year ago there was ninety percent probability in market consensus that greece would be outside of the euro zone by the end of two thousand and twelve this hasn't happened so i think what happened in italy is very important and very seriously so why do you go all the way earthquake and put it go system yeah but it's a very important situation and it moves their right to believe has to be one of turd but i would want against jumping to conclusion that this is again going to create massive contagion and threatens to viability of the region and we're going to be juggling you're going to get to a short break and after that short press book and your discussion on the euro crisis state what are.
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these. there are twelve cities in the united states in which half of the people with hiv aids lives with. over six to two percent of patients. with this is a problem that frankly is substantially preventable it was like the big elephant in the room and nobody wanted to talk about there were really good public health campaigns that people were really focused on this problem you certainly should be able to have a lot less h.r.t. a lot less human suffering. download the official publication. choose your language stream quality and
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back to cross talk are all things considered i'm peter lavelle to mind you were discussing italian politics and the euro. ok do in fact go back to the italian vote was on austerity if anything ok and if you support austerity you get punished ok so how do we look forward you know other countries in the periphery. i think that i would interpret it slightly differently from that again i think it's worth emphasizing that one. not necessarily cross thirty but certainly probe russell's party that the democrats came out on top in
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the lower house and if they had had the same electoral system in the senate would have come on top then it's more a sort of issue of the regional based sort of election system in the senate so i but you're absolutely right that this was the most important issue in the discussion. but what i would interpret that as saying is that just like any other people will be telling people really we don't like it when they're in a recession when people can't find work and when when the economy really is good what does that stand for most growth and i guess that's the question here i don't believe it can my my my when you can see i was so sorry ok crosstalk go ahead nicholas jump in go ahead no i think we're overestimating. it's so huge i mean we're talking as if the italian election was a single issue election about those thirty's that's not at all how we felt in italy in italy it was primarily about corruption in italy and corruption is that italian pretty good system and this is what lies behind us success of the five star
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movement they're basically saying there's also a corrupt i don't know how it's working for you guys you know people. david in london goals because when it was almost you know i agree that i agrees it's about italian economies and then they are fed up but it isn't the neighbor force there's no i mean she longs for an iraq war between you but what people have voted this is very clear into a program of five stars they want to change their god they want to change everybody in rule because those things are not served by those people well maybe they're not david go ahead i just is going to this is a crock it's this is a pan-european as i've said before as a pan-european thing is. faulty it is spreading right across europe and starting greece is now moving to italy spain and i can assure you right now france is going the same way the french economy is an appalling polling situation they're fed up with the right all along we had to election in france last year france france is completely different germany would be different this year it's not transit state it
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was a great. the greek banks the greeks will a great deal of money to the french and of france's economies in the polling situation. people are leaving there because of the they were probably rich their struggles visit friends european union opposing in terms of your eyes you're you're you're looking at ironically impose all right ok all right all right dell and jumping you really hard i've tried to impose limits on the whole deal and if you want to feel like you just go ahead. i'm interested in david's repeated analogies to eight hundred forty eight cents as we all recall they were a huge failure this is where it was altered and of and so i i don't know why is taking so much pride in that but i think it's. people nicole is exactly right that there are other issues that this is what's happening bill and keep going i don't see a way that i mean case this is a little fed up with the established that the fed up with throughout europe deal
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and keep going. but but but i think what nicholas is saying and i largely agree with this is that just like then the establishment is remarkably resilient and remarkably ago able to accommodate those pressures from the scenary even if they are as extreme as you're saying i think we disagree on the magnitudes there. but i want to agree with the point the nicholas is making about corruption which is not unrelated that there's. there's a lot of folk condemnation of italy and greece and southern european economies in general for their their informal economies the perception of corruption the feeling that they have their. use but it's generally thought of those countries always as a case or nor does it have expected them to be anything else greece's i was being corrupt greece's oh no i'm agreeing with you italy has always been corrupt italy is only disorganized there's nothing new there that a lot of was the european union is trying to have a fit policy which just really doesn't work for countries like greece and italy and
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spain with that as you say there has been a large informal economy the economy works because it's informal it does not deserve and well to yes you need rules and regulations nicholas jump in i want to say to our viewers who are not you know looking day today at europe that are debates interest rates home and so u.k. sort of disconnected from the european debate and so european reality seen from so you can see in from may have paid part of the euro will try that europe are going to be basically right about their thinking but it's british taxpayers who lives here it is. dylan that you are smiling and you're you know i'm paying for it but apparently you don't understand it then you don't visit it because you're describing i think i understand it well you know why it's i just want to support what i learned when i. did something you know advise and european union which hasn't been all the free is to deal and i saw you smiling my neck and i say i know you're going to wrap your mind david haye on this go to dylan.
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well i i honestly am not enough of an expert also got opinion in europe to say sort of whether to arbitrate the particular debate but i do think it's worth looking at example of britain since it's unlike the rest of europe a country that really has no excuse for its economic condition that italy can can legitimately complain that it's not being well served by the c b david cameron doesn't like with the bank of england is doing he can you know mark carney a bit more mervyn king who i think is still there for a couple months but what we've seen in britain is that austerity is a massive failure. free premature contraction and reforms i mean i was listening to what he had done in the case actually have a social democratic government is not cutting there is not involving itself in serious cuts it's cutting all the wrong things and none of the right things it's not cutting at extremely high wilderness of what do you buy the national god there is about attraction happening dylan finish your point that i know they're cutting
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the wrong things they're not i don't disagree if you gave up but they're cutting waste they're. no you're not cutting they're absolutely not cutting nickel it will magically haul a gentleman who was here a lot because change gears here ok nicholas how much can it really hold back reform of the euro now if they want to. it's a big economy now i think at this point it really has to form a government that i guess point to italy has to form a government and it's entirely unclear as we speak what sort of government will emerge from the result of the italian election so we need to wait for the dust to settle before we can answer your question then so does this probably not going to settle in nearly before i guess a number of weeks maybe we'll have a good surprise but my baseline scenario is that we will perhaps have a government in march. but perhaps not and that it's a really complicated situation over there we won't know about the position of the italian government unless we have an italian government dylan what do you think
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because your funds are rather well without government i think this is your goal of forming one that's all dylan go ahead it's a good point though the david made i think the one thing that it we should be very grateful for is that they have devised a system where and if worse comes to worse and they can't form a government they can just hold other elections and as someone who comes from a country where it is the norm to know i never be able to form a government between the president and the congress i am very there flexibility there so i think it's worth not thinking of this in two apocalyptic terms at the very worst if a combination is income to you in the senate well the markets might not be nice that's all i mean the markets might punish if it takes a long time that's that's certainly fair but you know that's why the markets. that may not be what happens nicholas go ahead finish go ahead this is the beginning of the end of the european the euro and the european union is just as
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clear to most people you sent that you've said that for ten years david you've said that for ten years you've been wrong. well the catch of the it kept it afloat thing because i don't remember your exact words but i remember it as you get a stack spasm and german taxpayers money so you know it's been kept afloat by fraud and we had a little of that everyone knows it and they have to beat any of the rules is being kept kept going with british and the german taxpayers money the whole thing is a fossil it is not an economic project it's a plot of the tickle project for a country called europe which nobody voted for setting off in the u.k. and most certainly not a very solid country david so they have tried to bring in this and instead if you do we are not going to really be mad but you know you are predicting right and i don't really does not exhibit ok don't talk over each other why develop the day you go to do i want to get a job and british taxpayers' money dillon what's that what's the future of reform
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structural reform of the currency because it needs it. i think. there are two basic paths one is the one that david wants where you see a. prickly of at least a few countries from the monetary union and you're left with the core group of states that is generally in. that i don't i what we ended up here and i want everybody out of it that what the end of the european union. possibly delegate david where you are that it's as round there i think greece is about a spade and it's bad for germany ok dylan what's the other scenario but the other scenario i can see is one in which the same pressures that have driven the to the point it's out today continue pushing forward of more formalized fiscal union and that's requires a lot of political heavy lifting ok you bring up a good reason i want to ask everyone would that be democratic nicholas would people
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vote for it. you've got to get to our security democratic if we build up our democratic institutions in europe we can make a democratic if we make the european parliament more representative and if we give more power to the european parliament it's perfectly possible it doesn't require that much institutional change so i don't think it's impossible to have a democracy at the level of what you have not through the u.k. when you want to be part of it this is a question for the u.k. to answer it is all here opinion with a very short period of time i can tell you right now the european union is on its way out and everybody can see it you have got to be crazy to think otherwise the basically the run out of german and british taxpayers' money to keep it afloat and they can't do it anymore the whole thing's going to blow up worse projections have inconsistent you know wrong and so we'll continue to be wrong while we were consistently right we told you the euro was a catastrophe and it's proved to be a catastrophe we wanted to stay out of the euro and you told us that agreed your
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budget of my stay out of it look at the mess of the country gentlemen got so gently and i mean we will resolve anything fascinating discussion many thanks indeed and i guess in london and in washington and thanks to our viewers for watching us here i can see you next time and remember how close. we were. there are twelve cities in the united states in which half of the people with hiv aids lives with. over six to two percent and. this is a problem that. substantially preventable it was like the big elephant in the room
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and nobody wanted to talk about there were really good public health campaigns that people were really focused on this problem you certainly should be able to have. a lot less human suffering.
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