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a new beginning between the united states and muslims around the world. and you know chooses to do this by giving an impassioned speech to a case for the selected israeli audience using plaintive zionist imagery and naming an israeli boy who lost a leg in a rocket attack but failing to mention the dozens of palestinian children killed in israel's bombardment of gaza last year yeah. no wonder his reception in ramallah was cold well it's not such a large crowd of anti obama protesters here in ramallah but the sentiments being expressed here already reflective of the general mood on the palestinian street. this is just a big shame on the palestinian leadership this visit is just for supporting israel . he came to me with the zionist regime people here refused to accept obama because of the american imperialism and the american authority. if the united states once under the united states has the will they could immediately stop israel from destroying the very last opportunity of peace based on two state solution but
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they're not doing that and the question is would he have visited them a lot if he was not visiting israel. and yet the main message from obama's three day trip was not even on the decades long conflict but rather more of the usual recruit on the situation in neighboring syria the united states continues to work with allies and friends and the syrian opposition to hasten the end of assad's rule and only ran in its nuclear program more of the same warnings netanyahu seized on that year to send a message to tehran about american loyalty to israel mr president i want to thank you once again for always making clear that israel must be able to defend itself by itself against any threats it's no coincidence that obama chose israel for the first foreign visit of his second term relations between him and it on yahoo have been strained particularly over west bank settlements and the rain in through it and although they both put on a happy face for the cameras there's no denying the mistrust below the surface.
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israel can never see the right to defend or seems to others even to the greatest of our friends in the off the map of the arab spring the united states needs all the flames it can gate but for all the pomp and ceremony a bomb is visited cheve nothing more than reminding these weenies and palestinians that they need to make peace while leaving the arab world feeling even more alienated from washington. and a school of mutual accusations have been thrown by rivaling political factions in egypt after a week of brutal clashes outside offices of the ruling muslim brotherhood hundreds of people were injured near the group's h.q. in cairo at the scene of some of the worst violence the police some militias from the muslim brotherhood try to protect the building from constant raids by opposition protesters the rising fury began a week ago when members of the brotherhood attacked journalists and activists during a peaceful demonstration near the headquarters. from egypt's opposition national
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salvation front says the government is just a step away from falling into a nudge. the muslim brotherhood government than morsi government is with standing its position of giving at death the deaf ear to any claims of reform and to any claims of of opposition to the very harmful policies in egypt. the record of mostly is a failure of managing the problems of the government of management the problems of egypt it's all to any of this government of the future of this regime and it just has been stalling they're losing control over parts of egypt a lot of cities a lot of governance in egypt are now rising up against the muslim brotherhood and against the government did not recognize the government as a lawful government that would. oversee the matter manage the day to day of
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government work. let's shift shift gears a moment here and r.t. in our top ten are focused out of syria where the head of the national coalition for opposition fighters has resigned just months after being elected in a statement more to the said he's stepping down because some matters within the institution have reached red line. now the surprise resignation follows the controversial election of an interim prime minister on tuesday in istanbul which saw twelve opposition members step down immediately after the vote of the american educated id manager turned islamist politician aside hito had lived in the u.s. for decades before moving to turkey journalist neil clark who's written extensively about syria says considering his background he tours election is no surprise. the americans want to make sure that when president assad falls they got their man in damascus and they cherry picked and you know he voted by thirty five people and
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it's quite ludicrous to argue this guy has the right to rule syria where is present sad whether we support him or not does have sizable support in the country just why still in power and so i think the answer your question the u.s. wants this man as an ideal sort of leader opposed to sack to take power and obviously to do the things expected of him which would be to open up this unit commonly to u.s. multinationals productize economy and of course to great with hezbollah integrate with iran would be lunacy and madness for political president assad's forces to use chemical weapons and so if you know we found a can of worms has been used it has to be by the rebels and he thought that's the case then obviously that will highlight the hypocrisy of the u.s. and the west because they said that it be a red line of chemical weapons argues that only seems to apply if president assad's forces use them the syrian army and so we're going to be consistent on these chemical weapons to using these wrong and the rebels are using and they should be indicted for war crimes. let's turn our attention to the out of iraq now where the tenth anniversary since american soldiers invaded the country was marked this week
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with more bombings and all the total death toll at least of a sixty al-qaeda linked groups that it was behind the attacks which happened in the mostly shiite areas of the capital and other cities caffein off looks back at what the u.s. and ever ultimately achieved. at this hour american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger. this was the freedom they brought shock and bombs over baghdad what the pentagon billed as a quick war to liberate iraq turned into a prolonged nightmare. ten years of bloodshed more occupation and deadly sectarian strife drained by afghanistan exhausted by iraq for washington the battle is over after a decade of work that's cost us thousands of years. and over
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a trillion dollars. nation we need to build is our way but what if the nation they left behind. we're not. biggest regret the iraqi people are destroyed and the infrastructure is devastated the country is ruined. these graves are a visual reminder of a decade of human strife almost everyone in this country has lost somebody whom they love no one knows exactly how many iraqis have been killed since the invasion and estimates range from more than one hundred fifty thousand to over one million for years the u.s. claims not to keep body counts but how do you mohamed has kept count his four sons and only grandchild were killed in a suicide blast. how am i doing i raise my sons and some of them get mahdi's and send them to universities i watch them die you ask me if it's better or worse now
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compared to ten years ago i still have my sons ten years ago so i think the answer is old and it's. others have seen their dreams of a brighter future shattered by years of violence. i was top of my class but when circumstances became very bad off to the occupation i feel that something was broken inside of me. my ambition and everything and i used to dream of becoming a doctor or an engineer but conditions prevented me from continuing my studies but an education is no guarantee of work less than forty percent of iraqi adults have a job and a quarter of families live below the world bank's poverty line statistics that haven't improved much since the days of crushing u.n. sanctions in the one nine hundred ninety s. elections may have brought democracy to iraq but critics say the government is rife with corruption and infighting. despite the various that's occurred in the time of the former regime which is not comparable to the number of freely is by the politicians and the current government has. more troubling perhaps by the lingering
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divisions of this occupation separated us into tribes a better place the political structure of the tribal one which aggravated the political conflict i see no good in this kind of regime. today iraq is facing a new political crisis there's tension on the ground between the sunni provinces and the shia led government as well as between baghdad and the kurdish north i think if these issues are not resolved it can lead to more significant problems including conflict which can lead to i think the breakup of iraq and destabilization the region. and an upsurge in violence is sparking fears of a return to sectarian strife new figures show the death rates have actually risen since the last american soldier left iraqi soil. how long will iraq remain like this every day there are explosions every day there is killing every day there is
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terrorism. explosion after explosion iraqis have asked themselves that same question for most of the last ten years who seek out of r t iraq. well or more news to cover about twenty minutes time next hour people of el of cross-talk will join us to talk about the recent death of boris berezovsky to stay with us. if you can or not see. a clear image of iraq after a facial. twenty day taxi trip through the country. the roads full of danger. clear evidence from north to south. the route of iraqi tragedy. after the war waiting for peace. by god taxi on r.t.
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it's been ten years since the war in iraq next year it seems pretty strange withdrawing from afghanistan and it provides a time perhaps for affection not just to look on what's gone past but also with the
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prospects of intervention in syria war with iran looming almost lessons can be learned from pos decisions and we look forward to the feature but to help us talk more about this i'm joined by the former deputy prime minister under taney prescott thank you very much for joining us we're talking about reflections ten years on from the war in iraq what do you reflect ten years on now did it turn out the way you expected it to sort of didn't but then the important thing is what did we go into iraq war while saddam was an evil man there's no doubt about it but we're not the believer in drudgery train can't just go into another country and decide i don't like its leader tony blair about the strong view that it should not stand aside with lots of people being killed but i was always insisted when we discussed it it did have two of the united nations endorsement and that's what tony did hope to get the muster about nuclear weapons so they used to have the. but both of them
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certainly wasn't that to be found out intelligence was wrong but what is me now when i reflect in ten years is it not so much how i came to be agree with tony and then the process of change and it became regime change but when i talked about president cheney when i was sent over the top of that i mean this was a man who didn't get down what was going to happen about the u.n. he just really wanted to go in iraq to them mine president bush the father had stopped to. kuwait and not gone in and dealt with saddam so all the americans you said to me it's business as usual and what they meant was basically unfinished business so to that extent i was very alarmed and told. bring it forward now to the ten years of what begins to worry me all the move is it does seem and tony blair is saying that in the case of syria or indeed in iraq nothing is implications involved that the feeling is you go we then to do the same thing now that's just
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wrong we're not learning the lessons of iraq it doesn't bring peace shaka no mind when militarily but the weeks that followed cause them awful lot of deaths among civilians when we're talking about you now with hindsight saying that the wall in iraq was wrong at what point did events that took place it will point it in saying it wasn't the right thing today well the real problem is you discussing whether you should do it i came back and told tony the americans are go in him with or without we don't make a difference they're going in. and eyes of tony that it's almost regime change but we were already into the the difficulty with the politicians remember nearly two hundred people of our own people died but apart from thousands and many thousands of civilians once you're in the war you get behind your troops you do not then have the arguments but now it's ten years on i'm looking at how i went through that process of change. i think it's right to say now not to clear my conscience because
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i must accept the responsibilities for the part i played in the decision he had he come to accept that it's not easy people have died how do you do it even if you talk about british troops which nearly two hundred of them right or indeed the many thousands of the believed to continue to die even today in what is happening in iraq so it's not easy you do the best to make your decisions stephen quit now that you didn't speak up loud and telling people like well being hey can i go on robin cook the americans to bomb from u.k. bases in iraq before that was without the u.n. i understand rob exact moment but basically looking back. i thought the decisions were right to the stage there was another important factor and bush promised to bring in a road map for palestine and just the same policy america is the only one that's likely to have any influence on the israelis right a bush went further than twenty or even recognize
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a two state system and tony blair's out there still trying to achieve some of that for the americans failed the producing so each stage you look at the east they think it's worth doing who could settle palestine i do a lot of things to try and bring justice back into the for the problems that it's a terrible situation we've got that so each stage and then the un tony thought you could carry the euro your nations a russian obviously was making clear. china as well so to the extent we didn't get the us where china made that decision. the americans make clear we could come out are said the go in without just any way. tony blair is not that kind of guy i this point when we heard from tony blair then prime minister he said this in the house of commons he said he feigned has existing and active military plans for the isa chemical and biological weapons which could be activated within forty five minutes of the famous speech that we heard you at the time i sat. in the video is that he
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prime minister at the time his right hand. on intelligence given to us told us about the new threat weapons right they did after nuclear weapons when the israelis bombed the place that they were they were developing them so used to have secondary used gas which i think is that one is if it's a drama versed enough to kill thousands of kurds so it was a month for using. weapons of mass destruction he has a record of doing basically an evil man the question to me though is if the un felt that he wasn't observing by the way the worst seventeen resolutions committed by the un involving russia supporting the well so to that extent there was a un mandate tony felt you could act on them but he couldn't is the agreement of the security council would have a separate motion on intervention he didn't get that the un failed. the un failed over a wonder it failed oversight only i want to talk about rwanda case he mentioned in
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your i phone we said maybe you feel that that was in part what happened in rwanda made space and maybe at the back a tiny place in mind when iraq was happening when that decision was being made that he didn't want to have another situation where the world stood by to watch it's a critical fight said that in san francisco speech is actually repeated it again since i only took two days ago and i said tony what you are saying in your speech you should still be able to intervene that is regime change whatever it is who decides the good begin the body to him it's if you kill your own people you don't have a right to be oppressive with your own people where is the line drawn but then he says we won't send in troops boots on the ground why chris is so popular leave out costly same in america now they want to use these drones to bomb people out there killing more civilians in pakistan than they are the alleged terrorists so you know it's like would. now cutting it so many thousands teaching me have and kill our
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food we want to kill me when obama was sitting there. and oh it's some round of a table like a video game say kill him now she says whether we go he said he told to teddy bear just a few days ago about it so what are your conversations like now ten years on what is the discussion of the term is a generous man really you my views when we would think of a but i'm a devotee of prime minister i'm not doing the storming out to no last what does he say about you a pretty saying now that it was the wrong decision how does he feel about it i've said that and you know this is my view so it's no shock to him but ten years on then say to him you committed the same mistakes in the speech you just made about syria i just don't agree with you tony and he doesn't oh no let me count a problem with that but if the same defense when he's talking about serious defense is quite clear the known leader in the world has
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a right to kind of kill off its people in an oppressive way he feels tony blair because the brits come think very much so that they were lied to if the war in iraq t.v. feel that he would like to see at the time assistant to the prime minister are you saying that when you read the intelligence information says that you accepted or not how are the can you say no we know we had nuclear weapons before we know that he actually used them against people gas and weapons of mass destruction we know he had a lot and the intelligence report said yes he still got them. on the the first shot where they couldn't find any of it not that he didn't use them if he has them or not even if he had them the israelis bombed he didn't have and they were not we didn't know that when you're looking at the paper you get a report in front of what are going to say but that mistake cost hundreds of thousands of iraqi lives just took the easy option you're asking me what i call a get me intelligence report that says he's still got what he's used before so we don't use them in. just make it go and the intelligence report with the information
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given in that way says that now. even then i don't think you can unilaterally into b. without a un resolution that was a strong wind always with tony always felt he could get it but it didn't get high and he done could have pulled out if you want that was a judgment for him to make but once we've gone in you do not get into a bloody war politically when your own people are out on for a very strong position as and say i'm willing to take it to zero make space for the time this happened it's one thing to think out here that that is wrong but i think the problem is just to prevent the mistakes being made again now but that's my ear talking about what happens behind the scenes think up and what can happen now what lessons can be learned been told to do fact i've said to the people and that's why public about to say that i could easily say nothing. i'm not looking to be you don't get logic to say that by the way or having a decision wrong you don't become popular overnight for that but i am worried
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what's happening about syria they're going talking about iraq it's it's almost the crusades again the western superior values now have to be planted in these countries i mean at the end of the day want to be doing now we're providing the bullet protection for the rebels while the civilians are getting killed and being driven out the country and you cannot change iraq teaches this which they would simply by getting rid of the leader doesn't bring a kind of peace and quiet no you got religion to hate each other different medias come in and that's in all these mediterranean countries twenty who william hague talking about owning rebel queens making sure that it gets into the right hands will listen to exactly the mistake well the certainly in in regard to syria there is u.n. resolutions to try in the system help the revelation rather than get rid of saddam by a factor of a. it's almost meaning the same right so what you go is
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a kind of civil war going on between those it's the center of what my top of the in the middle east well in reality we're going to have to live let in the people decide what they're going to do in egypt in syria in libya i mean the interesting thing is tony blair got gadhafi to drop his best men to nuclear would we invaded wouldn't nations have gone in libya if if they got the bomb. because when they know when the lesson is learned like in iran if you want real security have the bomb and then we say fear around us the bombs our door it's syria they're going to days well i'm afraid the western view tends to be there are goodies and baddies with the bomb nobody was supposed to have the bomb after the agreements the nonproliferation india's got it pakistan's got it. seems to me have an israel we don't want to talk about but we got a bomb. and so this is a talker see to a certain extent almost as i said in discussions with tony on the cabinet. why is
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it then you're prepared to tolerate india and pakistan have an a bomb. why is everybody has to plead with china to go to north korea and ask them to drop. your argument bumblings power influence the know that and russia was only were we told our affections ten years on from the war in iraq i think fifty we're told from afghanistan next year and we've got obviously the talk of going in in syria on the table he think this government is going to make the same mistake. that the previous government's late i think there's a danger of doing that because it's motivated almost by the same things good people stick together i'm afraid when you get through the countries are not necessarily good that i will be but be interested just to mention afghanistan that was the un agreement i saw a role the intelligence forces show whether the bombers and the terrorists were operating from and that was right. and they destroyed them but that was with the. un intervention but we are only better off in afghanistan i just say good after ten
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years in afghanistan i will not go back to it's always it's a little ok like it will so they start a goal is to avoid being doing the crusades we did that a thousand years. this crusade without boots on the ground because the public has said they don't want to but then you go to technology. and that still doesn't bring you face political stability thank you very much for that or.
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