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hello and welcome to all the part that they could after the war in iraq it is difficult to find a single analyst in the middle east who would argue that it was self worth while undertaking was commentator is a much more blunt calling it a war of oppression or even a genocide of the iraqi people the same community that condemned the use of force for political goals in the case of bush and blair appears quite accepting of violence as a method of change in syria and those call them bastards the west for ruling iraq ultimately advocating a similar approach in syria well to discuss that i'm now joined by our last hour to critique the president of the cordoba foundation mr altikriti i really appreciate your being here now my first question may sound provocative but i find much of the pro-democracy and anti assad rhetoric really similar to what we heard from george w. bush about a decade ago people like yourself or at least at some point for in support of armed
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rebellion argue that since assad is a dictator or syria would be a better place without human therefore all the measures to get threat of him are somehow justified even if it is a war and to me that is the very asons of the bush's case to launch a war in iraq there are some stark differences to start off with between iraq and between syria and iraq there was no revolution in iraq there was a war that was instigated by the push of interests strategic financial. whatever it may be at the time the tony blair and george w. bush to launch a war which i felt at the time was one of the leaders of the tool movement ok what's the difference. well syria. was a revolution in the in the in the same way that egypt saw its revolution which
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toppled hosni mubarak in the same way that tunisia so revolution that toppled the and in the same way that the people of libya rose the people of syria as well as yemen other countries also rose at the very same time the context can't be ignored the syrian revolution for six months after it starts all it was calling for was the reform of the regime not the fall of the regime you mentioned that there were fired . through peaceful protests and i take your point i was there on the ground are so many of those peaceful rallies but i think the protesters that i saw back then in damascus and in many other syrian cities have absolutely nothing in common with they aren't rebels and the problem is that your south your group and many other arab intellectuals in the west seem to you said just that you know on this particular case using violence using aren't resistance may be justified and my my argument is that it is not because in the case of george w. bush he also had some strong arguments of reading the world of saddam hussein fell
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out percent had blood on his hands he was a dictator so president bush felt or at least articulated that you know while it may be a better place without him but using violence once you start using violence you cannot control the point is absolutely right i agree with you once you start violence you enter into perpetual cycle of violence that you can't really control after that the party that started the violence and in fact brutal violence was a syrian regime the revolution started with sun and to you in to your viewers who may have forgotten this revolution started after fifteen boys young boys of ten and eleven year old were taken from their homes tortured abused raped and then returned in a shattered state to their parents in the city of daraa that's why. started people in their desire in. all they wanted was to reform the region and to bring those who brutalized and rape those young boys to justice imagine how these protests started
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in the city of tara and i was also in the city of derry and if you remember one of the first buildings in the city of dera that was set on fire by the protesters was they had quarters of local television after they showed the footage of. man on man present in the crowd so i do contest your point about you know the protest and the uprising being entirely peaceful from the very beginning but i think we both missed the point here you know it's true that there is a very significant grassroots support for some of the demands of the city civilly and opposition but the problem is of course is once you make this transition from peaceful protests to using violence attacking army checkpoints launching attacks from civilian howel how do you defend yourself accent i mean the question the question the protesters had was that whilst they were on the streets men women children the elderly. maybe i mean you can you can definitely say that when you
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have a big demonstration when you have a big protest there will be people who will you know carry knives or carry guns maybe or do something idiotic it is an obligation as well and that's a really interesting argument no no i've always contended and said that the main the main strength of the arab spring throughout wherever it was was the peaceful nature of the arab spring that was the real and therefore i was one of the the proponents of the revolution remains peaceful however when someone's wife gets raped when someone's kid gets raped and tortured when someone's house gets burnt it's very difficult to reason with them that they must remain peaceful despite the fact that the other party is prepared to perpetuating some of the most brutal violence that one can ever imagine of those atrocities have never been verified or have been prevented committed by either side of like. for example the houla massacre but once the world got a wind of what is happening in syria your own neighborhood many of the muslim neighbors of syria started providing the opposition with weapons and foreign
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fighters and from the very early stage that uprising was have only influenced by foreign power so if you were so strongly against foreign interference back in iraq i don't understand why you would be in favor of foreign interference in syria it is still foreign interference regardless of whether is muslim or arab ok it once again let me for the third time try to repeat iraq is not syria and syria is not you there was no uprising in iraq there was an international a group war of aggression against iraq to change the reality which only the iraqi people have the right to change for themselves the iraqi people have no say in the change that then could i think can apply the same. i've made that clear in syria there was a resolution within the context of the arab spring so basically when the saudis or the iraqis or the or the turks or the companies when they provide the syrian that is providing for their own the the same d.n.a. their cousins who share a language who share a faith who share a cultural tradition itself according to you just made
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a dramatic argument but i actually think that one of the reasons why it is so easy for many of the arab intellectuals to you know dismiss george w. bush as war criminal and than condone some of the similar tactics in syria is precisely because of this tribal. reason like when you have an outsider to tell you money it's not telling monitor what is right what else about them. mr al to create it but when you say that as an arab or as a muslim as a or as a humanitarian you have some more in title meant to come into syria and say to the syrian people who are still highly divided in the attitude towards assad because you know a significant proportion still supports president assad whether you like it or not so when you are coming to syria and so. telling those people who should be their legitimate leader and who should be not i think this is the very same argument that president bush that because president bush based on
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a humanitarian basis he said there were american capital rights and responsibilities to protect the oppressed people of iraq now what you're saying is that because you're an arab because you are a muslim you for some reason have the same right or more in title meant to protecting the syrian people but to me it sounds just as you know condescendingly has the bushes claim or he is not supposedly higher responsibility or not i'm not imposing no no no no no i just say respectfully you're trying to draw parallels where there are none and therefore you're bringing us back to the issue of iraq which i but by the way once again i repeat i was one of the most. vocal oppositions to the war in iraq and i've made that clear what i'm saying is if there was a revolution today in some you know middle african country in the same way that the syrian events happened then we would be obliged to humanitarian lee to support that resolution after six months the those people said we have to defend ourselves when
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we go out and protest all the time with all due respect you russia and many other partners including the west i have no standing with what i have no no trust in the position of my own government here in london or in the washington mr altikriti you just pointed out that you have no i finished here war for the west and their practices and the history of western engagement in the arab world but in this particular case in syria your positions seem to be quiet aligned isn't that a sign that maybe your side if you support now since it's also supported by the west maybe your judgment is a bit misguided here no not at all i mean i think that if there is a case that is righteous that it's remains righteous even if you know some really suspicious parties start to sympathize with that. in fact if anything the position of the west makes it even clearer that the revolution in syria is on the side of the right and simply because. something that fulfills western interests believe you
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me we have seen a much much and a far more earlier intervention than we have right now can i just ask you a mansion humanitarian concerns humanitarian issues several times now. since you're so can concerned about the humanitarian aspect of it do you think the support of the armed resistance. in fairly early in their pricing and the military support that this resistance is getting from the gulf countries from turkey from some other international players these things that actually how to decrease humanitarian suffering in syria because even if you take the argument that president assad was a brutal dictator which is still contested but even if i was to concede at concede that point the extent of human suffering onder assad regime was. not comparable to what is actually happening in syria because they once again let me go back this revolution started peacefully it started peacefully and as
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a matter how astonished when talking about what is happening on the ground until it got to a stage until it got to a stage where it was no doubt it was going to be a bloodbath and massacre when people see a call for support when people. are killed in white town systematically by one of the most brutal machines in the in the region and they call for help when someone starts to help them that does not value their suffering that does not die due to their rights when you say about simply because this uprising turned brutal that you had to bring even more brutality there this is the point that i find extremely hard to digest because if there is he wasn't good at the road i don't usually arrive to take you want but you could have predicted the response early on so why then again . these are what you're saying and so and so what you're saying is that as varying you know what you're saying is this allow me to just basically explain what you just said what you just said is this if in any regressive dictatorship country
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anywhere in the world people rights the regime starts to brutalize to brutally and systematically wipe them out and then creates an element of advancing that have let me answer just now and there saddam quotations and then i'm going to let me just finish this what you're suggesting is that people should come to their senses and say let's leave our demands because essentially after months of that town suddenly armed someone is going to fly created this is not what i'm saying at all but i'm saying what you're saying no no no i'm telling you i'm telling you that the syrian revolution was peaceful and was armless for about six months while i you know stating its ways and i said i'm asking you is that why i didn't stay this way because people. because because what well that would have been you know quite pleasurable to some i'm imagining to say that well you know now we're just town seeing the body counts amongst the people listening something you know let me tell you this and fight for your place i mean when i got it why wasn't it well or why is it moment humanitarian to resort to violence rather than continue on the path of
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bits will raise their children it's a democratic change it's not about morality it works on it if you and i were attacking just feel think you might be having tears and i would also have noted this is this is not this is not far off this is not far off you know you and i was sitting in our comfort zones and we're talking about this and i'm sorry but what we're sort of you know pontificating about the rights and wrongs when someone is actually being threatened in every single aspect of their existence that you look at some but i'm sorry but that's shameful well hold on to that thought where we will be back after a short break. wealthy
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welcome back to worlds apart three are discussing the historic parallels between syria and iraq without us all to create a president of the cordoba fall and they should mr creepy people are being women are being raped on the government side as well homes are being attacked no other ninety nine times i get it i challenge well you can get out challenge anyone to come up and said i challenge anyone to come on over any kind of incident that that's happened that is a live look son that's is a lot the people want to peacefully to change things when the regime came down them with a fist the fire you're not talking about that it's cool. i mean that was the regime
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or justified in doing what they did in terms of killing young children in terms of raping women in terms of burning down entire towns and since you have all they justified in doing that has a very quiet the quote is quite easy to verify you don't even need to go to syria you can go on youtube and you can see all those i trust that is committed by rabble for forces through me documented i'm going to agree with york sun i'm going to agree with you the thing is i mean this is my point when i said at the very start that i had wanted the revolution i had dreamt of the revolution staying peaceful because i think that is essentially how the arab people will change their realities unfortunately after a while that same revolution becomes monday by the presence of elements who have interests such as unfortunate going to say this again russia in its name in syria the same with these elements who have after two and a half years of the world standing by and watching and doing virtually nothing when that happens what will happen is the revolution itself will become muddied and
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polluted by the presence. of a fire that's here bear adult responsibility for the fact that their revolution was not and that indeed the rebel forces became far more radicalized the responsibility the real absolutely the responsibility lies with two parties the first being the regime which started this cycle of violence which you spoke about and the second being the international community the stood by watched and did absolutely nothing once the resolution was taken to love and love what about. what about people like yourself who empty pontificate from london who is concerned for legitimate and whose concerns are not legitimate because again in syria today there are a lot of people who still support president assad so your point earlier was that they were nationalists and there she was a saturday there was a recent naval poll that found that seventy percent seventy percent of people in syria still support outside maybe not support police so that may well that's actually my girl you look at them he says or has it i'm like i think let me tell you this let me tell you this that even. let me let me let me do this let me let me
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draw the power of the you try to draw throughout the program and that is with iraq do you claim that no one in iraq wanted the of the western intervention does that make the was an intervention ok i say that it does it was quite a considerable people of the iraqi people who wanted the west to remove it how. valuable is the you know does that make you. after one group of people ignoring another group of people because as a again every step i think we can agree a lot of points out there. on syria and how did you arrive on the demands of the revolution how did you respond to the fans of the song do you recognize our d.c. accounts of people disagreeing with you because it looks to me that you have either my way or no way at all but you seem to be a lot i'll tell you that like george w. bush that we mentioned earlier he had only one very righteous view that he's a vision of what's right and what you didn't thought before going hundreds of thousands of people to try to implement that you're still on the fence that big
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armed resistance was a legitimate way to go even though a hundred thousands of syrians have been killed in syria is nowhere closer to democratic aspirations that hat it's not about what you believe in but actually how you can bring about that positive change and really be in the mode of operation that you seem to have selective is very counterproductive to the very cause you advocate well first of all i welcome the fact that you call the demands of the syrian people as ideal and legitimate i'm glad that you do that why it is you talk about the weaponization of the rebellion when you fail to talk about the weaponization of the regime russia is complicit in the crime against the syrian people the one hundred thousand that you talk about the one hundred per thousand victims you fail to mention that ninety eight percent of them are the rebels are the people who rose initially peacefully the united nations has just recently released latest death toll figures. putting the death toll in syria. ninety three
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thousand people several groups pointed out that the majority of victims actually come from the government five now i'm sure you would dispute that point but i think at least you could agree that you know everything we know from been the nature of war is that it produces atrocities on both sides i'm not arguing that there were some atrocities committed on the government side in fact the government is very guilty on all of this is that i'm going to get on well and it is a view it's not a war but a hundred thousand people have been children you call it about dilution looks like a war because they have the cities are destroyed once the regime starts to kill once the regime starts to send in fighter jets once the regime starts to send in people who who who who put in explosives in the path of the protests this peaceful protesters you get to a time you get to a particular position by the way i would have much rather. this resolution remained peaceful i would have much rather that this resolution remain peaceful let me say
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i'm saying it as much as i could however once you've got you that you start to be targeted in your own family when that starts to happen then you must imagine then you must support the revolutions right in defending it so you know one of the criticisms of the iraq invasion was that. yes because i think it well i mean there are many parallels and you may not see that but i think it's very important that for those countries and neighbors immediate neighbors so the floor of arms goes between the two countries their floor. and there are many things that come into play here so one of the criticisms of the west western invasion of iraq was the lack of strategic planning that washington and london didn't really consider what is going to happen after wars they just assume that iraq will become democracies the next day and you know neighboring countries will follow suit and i think you know some of the critics of the western governments
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including yourself. i'm guilty of the same naivete you assume that you know once these peaceful uprising or now militarized uprising is given a chance to realize itself democracy will come and this is not what we've seen in the neighboring countries here you imagine arab spring as some of their other arab countries like egypt likely be or other countries anywhere closer to democratic ideals than they were before those uprisings even though there are there was no war and now that we have the revolution becoming the kind of violence carnage that we are seeing and the entrance of elements on both sides. so that you see here i'm agreeing with you on both sides that have solid and made this you know almost out of control and that is when by the way the united states and britain the such have decided to step in. not out of once again not out of
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interest for the syrian people or the such but out of their interest regional and such. as a result of this new syria once the regime falls and there is no question that you know the regime is unsustainable it's just fighting you know the end game basically and it looks like that's happened that's got them actually now because that forces have been advancing all across syria they took control of coursera they're now mounting an offensive no sleep on a lot of. the only the only recent victory that they achieved as it was anyway that's not my area of military streets or as i said that. town as i don't think you're out yet but anyway what i'm what i'm saying is what this is the written i'll tell you something that looks on one thing that we've learned from the arab spring is that ultimately you can't fight the tight of the change that is demanded by the people we saw this happen in egypt we do so this happened in tunisia we saw it happen in a different form and manner in libya and we saw it happen and we're seeing it happen in syria that's something that the regime now content. with its now fighting
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a struggle for survival for its own survival the family itself and those surrounding it but i'm coming back to this there is going to be a huge a huge effort in order to rebuild the country and there will be times that are extremely dark maybe something akin to iraq maybe something akin to other countries of the ascent of the such maybe a year earlier alluded to the to this tide of revolutions and russia i think has a unique vantage point here because we have been through more revolutions than any other country and we also attempted this extremely difficult transition from authoritarianism to democracy and let me tell you it has it wasn't easy it's still not easy and one of the main problems with this transition is that authoritarianism is not just about the leader is authoritarian habits authoritarianism runs extremely deeply in the society itself so when people get rid of one authoritarian leader they still expect somebody else to come in and do their job for them to fix
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the society and you know put the house in order but the problem is of course is that democracy is not just about having an opportunity to vote new leader into office every four years it's about civic engagement it's about personal responsibility for your country and so far up what we have seen in libya in egypt in tunisia the civic engagement hasn't really materialized in my question to you how do you go from this initial stop of encouraging public protests we've seen a lot of it in the middle east to actually working and taking responsibility for your society with all due respect i resent the tone of the question the arab people have been subjugated for more than six seven eight possibly ten they can it's almost a century they've been subjugated with the assistance of either the west or the east from time to time by proxy rulers who have never held the best interests of their people it's hard but rather. carried out the interests of foreign powers as i
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said west as well as east over the past century and as a result forbid any kind of space for free thinking free expression free exercise and what you're talking about civilian gauge ment's arab countries particularly let me concentrate on the arab world particularly the rose against its rulers that that that region of the world saw the total eradication of any kind of society there is no n.g.o.s sector there is no you know middle class that can think there is no. no what i'm going to let me finish because you've made assertions that are entirely wrong what i what i'm trying to get out is the people don't rise and give from what they are the most precious to them are i even life and limb for nothing just for again just you know because they didn't have anything better to do believe you me when they rise they rise simply because they have had enough and for far too long for far too long the arab people have been ruled by dictators who have suffocated
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the oxygen have taken suck the oxygen out of their air and therefore to says suggests that well maybe rather than you know revolt or maybe our prize you know maybe they could do better for themselves it's their fault ultimately it's the old adage my thinking is it is absolutely my point but maybe because we have only a minute left let me let me tell you what exactly i'm mad i'm mad that the revolution is never a good method of changing a society because if you look historically it's all no bit and it's a last resort you're right. you're absolutely right it is the last resort and it's the last resort simply because it is so expensive and that is why i contend that the people of egypt the people of libya the people of tunisia and the people of syria have not resorted to the very last resort only after they have exhausted everything else let me just add that i like people of egypt people of tunisia people of theory have actually taken up arms and this is. ultimately the main
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factor that is responsible for the total destruction to receive back to the crime by the government to make tries to also respond to the crimes of the regime so please join us again same place same time here on the part. this is not a surprise to me that we've got problems and one time during a time of budget cuts we spend one hundred and fifty million dollars each year to imprison one hundred sixty six people dead more as become a symbol around the world for an america that while the evil.
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right seems. first rate. and i would think the church. on our reporters twitter. and instagram. would be in the. mission. couldn't take three months for charges three arrangement three. three. three. three books videos for your media project a free media. an infinite number of people coming in who are taking jobs that pay over one hundred thousand
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a year you know they're going to pay taxes we create lots of other jobs around those people in my day by basic view is that the country should welcome as many of those people as we can get and what the corporations are doing and i tell congress all this is a shortage. of engineers is a shortage of scientists we can't find any this is all absolute total law would be a chore many corporations will go to any lengths including these legal but deceptive practices to hire cheaper foreign labor look at this video clip recorded at a seminar conducted by an american law firm for human resources professionals and our goal is clearly not to find a qualified to be interested u.s. worker and you know that in a sense that sounds funny but it's what we're trying to do here i get fifty resumes my god this is the last thing i want to do is interview these fifty people does the law require that i actually interview each and every candidate you know. if it gets
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to the point where the somebody is that they might do very well but we asked them to have the manager of this specific position step in and one of the publications within this necessary stage of the interview is in the process to find a legal basis to disqualify them for this particular position that whoever the displaced workers yourself who ever talk with this the fact that i'm thinking this means the answer is either no or almost no. i can't offhand remember. a case you know we professors tend to be ivory tower types. and. what they've done for the last twenty years is destroy the ability of people who work hard play by the rules to decent retirements. big business was not satisfied with just outsourcing jobs and getting huge tax breaks to increase their profits.
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also set their sights on eliminating guaranteed pensions. to iona i don't even know what they are. in the one nine hundred fifty s. . stuck it's marketed like another consumer item at the same time pension funds are starting to change why for example should a company have to put away that kind of money. as a liability to pay off its retired workers when instead they could take some out of the paycheck every week and then make you go invest yourself and that's what they did so why not put your money to work. put my money to why that's right. you can all the share of american business you know there's a joke that compensation executives tell each other what's a four letter word that starts with naff ends with a k. and stands for screw your workers for a one k. for one ten years are a subtle kind of pay cut and they're bad economics. defined benefit pension plans
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were on top of your salary that made you work for a company for thirty years or so you were tired you knew exactly how much money was going to get paid out of the pension comes to company kept this pension fund kept enough money in it to pay you well under a four a one k. plan you have to save money out of your paycheck so you have less money company may give you a match but these plans typically save a company fifty percent or more in a plan. and. then you assume all the risks of investing your money if the average person. could manage investments then why in the world would be paid the gigantic salaries that they do want wall street.
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today state governments are beginning to shift public workers and shins before a one k. plan it's. their photo that there are they imagine. there are that many government workers go further in maybe i'm a buyer of the social security. and. that i'm here to support the social security benefits that my parents get and i'm here to support the social security benefits that i hope to get and my children hope to get social security is not just every tired man benefit it's a three tier benefit so it helps millions millions of seniors stay out of poverty and live a decent life in their retirement but it also helps disabled people when disabled
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people need our support as a society and helps them function and just as importantly is the survivor benefit so that if working people are killed unfortunately in some circumstance their children will have a source of income. the. the . the the greatest pieces of d.c. ever suggested was privatizing social security. why do just with pensions if it works for pensions take the whole social security fund the one element of the new deal reform plans and still remains and put that in the stock market this had been a goal of the anti franklin roosevelt anti new deal conservatives from the 1930's already it actually came as pros lee close to happening as it ever could have under the presidency of george w. bush. the economic president i think he calls himself your younger worker i believe
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he should be able to set aside part of that money in your own retirement account so you can build a nest egg for your own future. under reagan the mandated gender included not only deregulation of main street industry but the financial industry as well this set the scene for a future disaster on a scale previously unimaginable starting with the hundreds of savings and loan bankruptcies of the late one nine hundred eighty s. the financial razzle dazzle that thirty years later takes down the economy really starts when wall street starts inventing all kinds of new gimmicks and the regulators give all this stuff a free pass. everything and ghouls you know baseball has rules right down to how many stitches are on the baseball. and when you remove the
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rules you enable people who behave badly the purpose of rules is not to regulate saints it is to deal with people who are sinners. once wall street was deregulated their profits mushroom large commercial banks like city watch with envy and in the mid one nine hundred ninety s. they too began fierce lobby to get their slice of the. thirty three congress passed a law called glass steagall and that was said well you know it doesn't take a genius to figure out if allowing values to invest in speculative security brings down the banking system in the market fails then maybe we should do it it was very simple it maintain the commercial banks that were responsible for individuals deposits and savings and lives were kept separate and were backed by the government from the more speculative risky trading activities of the investment banking
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community it works so well. the people forget. and in one thousand nine hundred nine a genius by the name of phil gramm aided by a brilliant president named bill clinton who's now in the bill and pushed by a free market ideology that had been pedal to the united states people since the day ronald reagan was elected said we don't need a glass steagall anymore we haven't had bank panics glass steagall was the longest lived and most successful on anshul law ever passed protecting consumers and investors a lot within a year of glass steagall is repealed in one nine hundred ninety nine president clinton signed the deceptively named commodity futures modernization act the regulating shadowy financial products known as derivatives one of those instruments known as the credit default swap became the prime culprit in the two thousand and eight worldwide financial crisis the head of the federal reserve bank at the time
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alan greenspan endorsed these changes giving the green light for wall street to once again become a casino was alan greenspan was an extreme conservative and there was a period you know in the ninety's when greenspan was widely praised as yunus and he got out just in time he got how much just before the crash and his policy of deregulating everything and financing all of this speculation with very cheap money that's going to look a lot worse in light of history than it did at the time he wanted to give wall street really a gift at the time which was cheaper money which is why he cut rates and all the speculators take advantage of the very cheap money and they invent a whole bunch of new toxic stuff like sub prime in the last ten years something crazy happen a multiple of the value of housing to people's incomes went through the roof and that was a classic case of a speculative bubble and this was engineered on wall street because there was so
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much trading their appearance. b. demand for mortgages which meant it appeared there was a demand for homes being sold which inflated the actual cost of homes there was some sounds that well maybe even if it goes down we won't be the last company holding the bomb wall street pay their chief executives hundreds of millions of dollars for screwing us up. money would pay them a huge premium for this reason boyd is a really smart guy in a sport guys you and i would never have made those worlds. where do you think you made a mistake then i made a mistake in presuming that the self-interest of organizations specifically banks and others for such is that they were best capable of protecting their own shareholders and their equity in the firms the consequences of this mistake are
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huge again it was an accidental this wasn't just random delusion it was prevalent because so many people were making so much money as soon as the casino cause biased they want government to bail them out now that's not a free market but that socialism on the downside and capitalism on the upside if greenspan and ruben had really believed the ideology that they preached they would not have bailed out the s n l's the way the greenspan did they would not have ruled and would not have bailed out the wall street holders of mexican bonds in one thousand nine hundred five greenspan would not have bailed out the stock market in two thousand and two thousand and one the only explanation i can have for this is that it's a class question these people were protecting their class. wall
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street and the wealthiest one percent now tell us that government is running out of money they want us to believe that social security and medicare cuts are needed at the eligibility age for social security should be increased to seventy. permit me to start with one number. fifty three trillion dollars in today's dollars is what the country owes is projecting. between our future liabilities our national debt and our huge unfunded promises. programs life so security and medicare the. coalition. and say oh my god we've got these enormous deficits instead of focusing on the cause of the deficits which are the reagan and the bush tax cuts
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they then say we have to take x. to all of these middle class and programs. and us in this case the u.s. and it's just about everyone in the world including its so-called friends and allies. total global information dominance and this is being done we're told just might care. if the u.s. monitored its intelligence community rather than on the rest of us. we speak your language. news programs documentaries and spanish. breaking news. stories. that. visit i. download the official. language stream quality and
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enjoy favorites. if you're away from your. devices you can watch on t.v. anytime anywhere. peter g. peterson a multi billionaire who was one of the founders of blackstone which was a private equity company he gave a billion dollars to set up the peter g. peterson foundation which hired the former head of the g.a.o. government accountability office and david walker it's the price we. crusade for the idea that what is wrecking the economy is not people like me mr pearson but what is wrecking the economy is so security.
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we are trying to convince these eighteen people the social security is solvent it is not affecting the debts it is not the way to solve the debt the way to solve the debt is to create more jobs. i think we're in a situation now where i have where i have to modify my philosophy. a little bit and maybe maybe a lot i'm just being totally out as the guy comes up and says i'm going to do away with medicare i will campaign against him like you have never seen because i'm a beneficiary of medicare the guy who wants to get rid of social security i put a whole lot of money in those social security i want mine back. and i'll tell you what i think and i'm a going out on a limb on this but i think that the obama administration is very worried about what
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we call a capital strike a strike of capital in the sense that if you really push these guys to hawt. they can say oh really you don't want us to get bonuses you want us to be accountable you want to know about our illegal behavior well tell you what we're going to do we're going to freeze up credit completely your column is going to go tank and good luck to you mr president the big banks can make such threats today because they operate with no fear of criminal penalties folks who are in charge of running as economy ran a red light after red light actual red light and caused car wreck after car wreck after car wreck and no one to hold them accountable for hasn't even been a conversation about accountability in two thousand and five the u.s. supreme court stacked with pro corporate justices overturned a conviction won by the justice department against accounting firm arthur andersen
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implicated in the enron scandal now incredibly the government tells companies to police themselves the justice department's current position is that a company can escape criminal prosecutions if they just promised to change their behavior. as of two thousand and eleven not one corporate c.e.o. thank you executive or politician has been criminally prosecuted for crimes leading to the economic meltdown of two thousand and eight if you really did the investigation of the democrats would not be able to simply say always those george w. bush it was him well you know what it was a lot of bush. but i'm afraid the republicans will be able to say sorry not just loss take a look at robert rubin it's like a third treasury under bill clinton and all of the ruben guys they were working with alan greenspan they were working with phil gramm to deregulate all of this stuff so you got true bipartisanship everybody wants by bob as
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a you've got it. and the memory of what a waiting game shrine in this country is some kind of a great leader is a crime or the memory of any of the republican leadership or the democratic leadership for that matter over the last twenty five years being as anything other than conspirators in the theft of america is a crime or some a look at people we didn't actually clean up and we actually didn't slay the beast we actually put them on life support and they've been off feeling in mending themselves and doing quite well. for thirty years we've been turning up the heat on average americans slowly and it's been turned up at such a slow pace that if you say this is a crisis people look at you as if you're weird when the majority of the american
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public can no longer feed their families where they have a crisis and that's where we're headed we don't want to see our way of life because we don't want to see our standard of living decline. that's what's that chris. what we've seen over the last thirty years is a deliberate transfer of wealth from middle class and the forward to the very wealthiest people in our country the. game is fundamentally rigged and that ordinary people who do everything right and play by the rules still end up with the short end of the stick. i don't think people have gotten ashamed how low incomes are in america from work. one third of jobs in america pay less than fifty thousand
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dollars a year now that includes part time workers and people too small jobs but half make less than twenty five thousand and three quarters make less than fifty four thousand ninety nine percent make less than two hundred fifty thousand dollars. in reality working americans have been pushed to rely on credit to make up for the lack of growth in wages even as corporate profits skyrocketed wages have stagnated since one nine hundred seventy three despite increased worker productivity instead but the benefits of americans hard work have gone to executives and shareholders. everybody was shocked by hurricane katrina and by the you know these images of poor african-americans and other people abandoned to you know stuck on rooftops waving american flags for two three four days holding babies without a drop of water without the u.s.
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government that the richest country in the world being able to get them a scrap of food after three four five days people were shocked. and it was shocking but what nobody wanted to address was it was a logical necessary in never bought. thirty years of public policy that both parties and championed saying if you're poor you're on your own if you're poor sink or swim. and it's better for you it's morally right that we won't help you if you're poor you should pull yourself up by your bootstraps and if you can't cut it you should be left to sink or swim. your wife passes and she's had a heart attack on the flu you call you call the local government and you expect the local government to do something dumb that's not evil government is sometimes incompetent thank god and his own response in government isn't how to and
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sufficiently tight mandate that government can do things that private citizens cannot do. related primary. there's no. problem if we pay fifty one i mean courageously they can be accomplished then fine but i don't think recruiting by the government it. creating the kind of good we would create the emergency of the war when we did all the great things that we did in this country we did it as a matter of national security and collective self-interest so you look up look at the the railroads you look at the interstate highway system you look at the internet you look at any of the things that really fundamentally changed the way our economy worked it wasn't. fundamentally a market basis. there are only two kinds of power
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in america there's organized money and those organize. people. one thing is really clear the powerful corporate interests have had a good for so long they're not going to let go without a fight and i think that we have to be very clear about that and ready to fight back and i say we fight back with organizing we fight back with good policy we fight back with with strategies that are about to change victory to people who do the work you're not the privy in. the problem is the political system the trying to divide us the political system that's given tracks breaks to the rich and the old term rich but they don't damn well be that i think nothing. specific to.
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say. to me what the american dream was about more money isn't what the hope is and it is that people get to live up to their full potential you get to create ideals and to me that hasn't been lost what's been lost is the part of american dream that was this sort of white picket fence two point five kids and something see the in the driveway you have to recast what that means down to the much more inclusive dream and vision about what it is time to be in this country to making a life in this country there's an opportunity to reframe the american dream. one of the things that faces americans is to build something beyond traditional capitalism beyond traditional socialism that is american and character the builds an unbelievable american tradition. that i think.
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the question will be asked and the question will be answered what kind of species we are. now are we locusts just are a curse on the planet we're busy we're working but what we're doing is so heedless and so destructive we leave with nothing but disaster on our wake or we honeybees you know honeybees work hard too but they fit in with the ecosystem and they actually are a blessing on the planet they're a blessing to all creation because their work actually makes more life possible now that's our challenge just as a human species to be anybody. like told.
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me so. please. be. trying. to. build. me. a. long long. long. long.
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stand us in this case the us and its minds on just about everyone in the world. reading it so called friends and allies washington seeks total global information dominance and this is being done we're told to find care with new people better to be less monitored its intelligence community rather than snoop on the rest of us.
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is easy peasy.
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