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breaking news on r c blanchard in egypt at least three people reportedly killed and several injured as the army crime is down on the ousted president mohamed morsi. also this outside months of desperation guantanamo bay the hunger strike drags on with prisoners failing to win changes to their plight as jury will start to press on with force feeding. on south american leaders unite in support and condemnation lashing out at european countries for grounding they believe in leaders play with president moron is claiming the he was pressured them to do so.
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you saw in russia and around the wall this is a see with me thanks for joining us at least three people are said to be killed and several injured as troops in egypt opened fire at mohamed morsy is bonkers the military though denies using live rounds saying they used rubber bullets and tear gas only let's get the latest from our middle east correspondent policy issues in the egyptian capital for us hello there paula so conflicting reports we're getting from cairo also actually happening there. for you the information we have is that at least three people have been killed and several dozen injured in the latest round of clashes between the pro morsy supporters and the military the confrontation took place as a group of demonstrators pushed their way forward toward the headquarters of the republican guard building now going to eyewitnesses. one of those killed managed to
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put up a poster of the deposed president on the barbed wire surrounding this building when he was shot in the head it is believe that president morsy and some fifty five members of his alst of parliament are currently inside the headquarter bolding the army however has denied using live ammunition it says it has only used blank rounds and tear gas the interior ministry also saying that they would no dates for paul to in front of this building all of this is happening on a friday of rejection there are mass demonstrations happening across egypt the muslim brotherhood and other islamic speakers have called for their supporters to take to the streets to express their anger against the ousting of the old major imprisoned and mostly at the same time the l.c.d. here in cairo there are thousands of protesters gathering in nasr city the military also continues to round up the muslim brotherhood leadership there are a risk warrants for some three hundred top islamize figures we know that dozens of
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them have already been arrested and that many of them are in hiding fearing that the hunt for them is on yes and there's a real sense of deja vu isn't that. visit me as a sense of deja vu that everything that we've been here before and that is the same as many egyptians here say when i talk to them one analysts i was talking to says it is a now a joke in egypt that no president can survive i mean it was only two years ago that hosni mubarak was ousted from power and now this week we see the same happening with his successor the point to have a nice to be made that mohamed morsi was elected by democracy that is the point he continues to make the point in this court has continued to shout and they say that the only way to get rid of a democratically elected president is at the ballot box and also make the point that he's only been in power for one year and that he inherited a a system that was internally corrupt any needs. to be given
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a full term of office to deal with the entire country is in a state of high alert the police had heightened their presence particularly in north and south sinai and in the sewers earlier this morning there was an attack on an airport there egypt has also closed its border with gaza full fearing third of advisors and further attacks from there so we're talking about a country that is not only facing internal division that is not any basic internal protests but it also had to break from its border. right she's policia live from cairo paula thank you very much indeed for that update. five months and counting that's how long the inmates of the gun tunnel with a prison have been refusing food to protest what they call inhumane treatment despite international outrage over the situation and the hunger strike is showing
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no signs of ending and today we're taking a closer look at why so nearly two thirds of the inmates have now joined their protest against their indefinite detention without trial forty five of those prisoners are being strapped to a chair and having a new trends falls down the nose twice a day the government says the procedure is done in the most humane way possible and is trying to prevent death by using it as his get their church account looks not how the controversial practice is actually carried out and all the president say about it. the u. one cost to the u.s. to stop force feeding guantanamo hunger strikers the practice is against international law and is seen by many as a form of torture and here is one thing first the guards strap the detainee down to a chair like this one then they put a mask over his face so that the detainee can't move bite or spit then the nurse snakes the feeding tube into nasal cavity the feeding tube which is roughly the
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size of a pen and ink cartridge or this or this is not an actual feeding tube but it gives you an idea here and this area is very rich in things and patients report extreme pain during the procedure and the nurse pushes the troop further down the throat creating a tightness that makes breathing difficult at that point patients typically feel pressure on their chest along some say it feels like they were drowning then the staff tapes the troop to the detainees know so that they can bite or swallow it and then two cans of nutritional substances are being funneled through the tube now we rode to guantanamo and asked whether they use an anesthetic for this seemingly painful procedure here's the response. typically not however it is available if the detainees request that most attorneys prefer to use standard all of oral to lubricate the to us of us are trying to make it sound like it's not
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as bad but here is how one of the detainees a yemeni man somewhere not jail house on the bell the squires what for speeding actually feels like i will never forget the first time they passed a feeding tube up my nose i can't describe how painful it is to be force fed this way as it was thrust it made me feel like throwing up i wanted to vomit but i couldn't there was getting in my chest throat and stomach i had never experienced such pain before i would not wish this cruel punishment upon anyone we also asked the kuantan official how many detainees resist the procedure and how many give their consent to it and he went back saying the majority of the detainees report compliantly and do not resist detainees are given a choice to eat a hot meal drink the liquid new trend or be enthralled fed by the detainee see the choice differently take a listen. when they come to force me into the chair if i refuse to be tied up they call the team so i have no choice either i can exercise my right to protest my detention and be beaten up or i can submit to painful force feeding for most people
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these detainees are out of sight out of mind as sudden as it is they see physical suffering as the only way to draw the world attention to their plight we can't hear their voices but here's what they write i'm doing this because i want to know my destiny i cannot abide not knowing anymore i just hope that because of the pain we are suffering because of the world will once again look to guantanamo before it is too indefinite detention is the worst form of torture. respect us or kill us it's your choice the u.s. must take off its mask and kill us the obama administration doesn't want inmates to die but neither is it in a rush to give the detainees their lives back in washington i'm going to check on around one hundred forty people from vague us neighbors medical personnel are performing these procedures and dr frank arnold believes these medics have
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a negligent and abusive towards the detainees only because they're following orders from the military the regime which the joint task force for guantanamo has written for the cleveland of these people requires truly abusive care and also is involves the use of medicines which are dangerous they are not allowed to behave like doctors and are compelled by the military hierarchy to behave like jailers in particular several of them have commented to me through their lawyers that when they are asked to doctors for example to stop the environmental manipulation which leaves them freezing. or waking them at night for various disturbances the doctor says they have no power to do anything and as one of them's one of the hunger strikers what is the point of a doctor like that. the united states is running up quite
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a bill by keeping gone tunnel they open one hundred fifty million dollars per year that's how much they pentagon is spending on the facility that's roughly around a million per prisoner compare that to the cost of regular inmates housed within the u.s. and to put that into perspective the average american citizen makes nearly eight hundred times less than what the government pays for each gun time a prisoner and let's not talk to colonel morris davis has served as the chief prosecutor that's gone time of day for more than two years colonel davis great to have you with us on our c. one prisoner claims has been sexually assaulted during searches while you're away or things like that during your tenure that i think during my tenure most of the worst practices had stopped but certainly throughout one tata most history particularly in the early days and we had the bush administration telling
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the military to take the gloves off that the geneva conventions were quite and we needed to force more information out of these men in the two thousand to two thousand and three two thousand and four period there were clearly things took place at guantanamo that we should be ashamed that the united states committed. clifford sloan is a new envoy responsible for closing guantanamo do you think it's a sign that things will now move quickly that. well you know what to say that i'm hopeful because i've been hopeful before and disappointed so i'll say i'm cautiously optimistic you know mr sloan's only been in the job now for a week so i think he does need some time to you know to get get his feet on the ground and get the process moving innocent courage in that the president has appointed him but you know we've had a lot of rhetoric and not a lot of reality and we need a leader not a lecture on closing guantanamo so it's been you know we're in the second obama
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term now and he promised to close it in his first term so we need some some action you know i thought it was ironic if you saw last week when president obama took his daughters to visit the cell where and where nelson mandela was held in south africa and to think you know he's showing them that so now listen mandela spit eighteen years on an island prison when he has his own island prison in cuba where we've kept people for eleven and a half years so it's a bit hypocritical to lament one operate the other thing trusting so if the prison does close why will all the inmates why will they end up. well the vast majority should go back to their home countries you know as as you know there are hundred sixty six men total of one ton of eighty six have been cleared by unanimous vote of the cia the f.b.i. department of justice and department of defense as not being an imminent threat to the us we don't want to keep them so those eighty six ought to be going back to
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their home countries the majority of those are from yemen fifty six of the eighty six the year many government says they want to back so that would seem to be a low hanging fruit for the administration to be able to to reduce the population the harder part is that group of sixty that aren't included in the terms are eighty that aren't included in that number there are twenty that the administration said they either have prosecuted or want to prosecute which least sixty that are in that indefinite category and in our justification has been you know we're at war in the law of war permits you to detain the enemy for the duration of the conflict a lot of people argue whether that's a legitimate justification but you know the end of two thousand and fourteen we end combat operations in afghanistan so whether that's a legitimate justification or not come the end of next year it vanishes so we've got to figure out what to do with those sixty men. yes and how is the u.s.
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able to justify keeping those prisoners cleared for release jail gave they do and says if it's international. well you know we tend to be better at preaching than we are practicing you know we're that we claim to be the champion of the rule of law the when it's inconvenient for us we just ignore it so. clearly the president has acknowledged guantanamo is unnecessary he's condemned it in a sense before he became president when he ran back in two thousand and eight so he knows what the right thing to do is he just got a who's just got to step up and provide the leadership and make the difficult decision and close it i mean we're never going to reduce the risk to zero and he's got to stand up to the critics are going to criticize what he does one way or the other and do the right thing here. who has to strike a showing no signs and saying you know what needs to happen for things to change then by well you know it's a sad commentary about america that it takes people putting their lives at risk as
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your is a correspondent mentioned in your earlier piece that you know they're out of sight now to mind in the only way the american public will pay any attention is for them to put their lives at risk which is really again a sad commentary about america but i think the president has the power to bring this hunger strike to an end the detainees are looking for real concrete signs that their needs are being met they're not being ignored and i think is easy way to do that is to begin sending those clear to many as back home to yemen where their government wants them and i think if the detainees there that are on hunger strike saw some positive action this strike would be over all right nor is david's film gone tanit chief prosecutor thank you very much indeed for talking to us thank you so i'll see because that will be covering all things about on time all throughout the day and we'll be talking to former prisoners that lois and ex-military pass now
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about the situation at the senate see. it is not a surprise to me that we've got problems in guantanamo during a time of budget cuts we spend one hundred and fifty million dollars each year to imprison one hundred sixty six people dead more as become a symbol around the world for america the quotes the evil. and all stories ahead for you including outrage in south america triggered by the grounding and they believe in presidential play the president moronic saying he's ready to close the u.s. embassy in his country blaming washington for pressuring europe to block his chat nor about going after the break. spies or oppose any us in this case the u.s. and its files on just about everyone in the world including its so-called friends and allies why shouldn't seeks total global information dominance and this is being
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you're watching assays good to have you with us lash american leaders have been infuriated by the recent grounding of the believe in a presidential plane condemning it as a slap in the face for the region they have been rallying in support of their colleagues have almost run this was plain was reworded over suspicions the n.s.a. leaker edward snowden was on board and that now demanding an apology from france safely portugal and spain why slammed their actions as political terrorism to the international right of asylum a harsh comment from that is well here's well it says they view as a lead to rules europe the president of argentina said it was curious morality his plane was grounded by those who used to talk about protecting international rights while the ecuadorian president himself said it felt ecuador and rather president said as it felt that they're being treated like
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a colony and the believer now president said that even he's ready to shun the american mission to his country last night listen it. a little good but you know is that we will clearly examine it and if it's necessary we will close the u.s. embassy in bolivia we do not need the american embassy we don't need their cooperation or diplomatic relations with them while they conspire against us from within our country and from the outside my hand won't shake to close the u.s. embassy we've got dignity we've got sovereignty without the us we're better politically and democratically without the i.m.f. and world bank we're better economically so we do not need them. spain says eight and other countries were told snowden was on board of the believe in plane but it's refused to say where the information came from despite south american leaders claiming washington's hand was behind the diversion of presidential plane the u.s.
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has remained a quiet policy and development specialist parlor a phone i says the us has built a global power system where sovereignty is in question the rules of international law have been totally. i would say since ninety nine on. a level that even among the western powers now this is a situation where someone is more equal than others the possibility of a sovereign state to adopt decisions regarding. of a certain individual. completely. to favor the major interests of the center of the imperial system which is washington in this case so the grounding of the believe in presidential plane in europe comes hot on the heels of revelations about the vast snooping activities of the us which targeted a year officials and citizens a move by europe's authorities therefore has certainly raised eyebrows according to
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investigative reporter dave lindorff. it's quite astonishing to me to see how the leaders in europe germany and france and several other countries spoke out angrily at finding out that they were being spied on that their embassies were being spied on in washington that the e.u. off system cells in europe were being spied on and then all of a sudden they they all flat out said first of all they would not grant asylum to snowden who led them to know all that and then they caved in on this flight that they thought was carrying snowden i think what was happening was the u.s. probably told them about a plane that had snowden on it and didn't bother to tell them that it was a presidential flight. meanwhile the man who blew the whistle on sweeping global banking topping and intercepting is still stranded in a moscow airport had to follow the unfolding snowden saga iceland. as they
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would love to be given citizenship to save him from legal limbo in a transit lounge. not likely to weigh on nazi dot com california police arrest a man for playing loud music and videotaping them before they went dead he's gone after the pad drummed out an officer. and scientists get excited about a new out of this world discovery the existence of space away and head to r.t. dot com to learn more about that phenomenon. the discontent over the n.s.a. sweeping surveillance program is now rocking the u.s. itself as more than one hundred cities across america marked independence day with a mass rally against spying the restorer false campaign initially kicked off on
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social networks and has rapidly gained support calling for respect for the fourth amendment of the bill of rights which retired its citizens against illegal searches aren't seizures oh she's more important i caught up with a protest in new york on the fourth day of america's independence hundreds are taking to the streets in new york city and throughout the country to take part in the restore the fourth rally this is a campaign that watched last month in the aftermath of edward snowden's revelations about america's spying program of the crime that shocked those living in the united states and those around the world know their struggle or even still she will restore the worth of the bill of rights which protects u.s. citizens. and seizures the purpose of this rally organizers say is to spread awareness and spur political action against unconstitutional spying by the us
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government press freedom not advocates that we spoke with say that these protests are crucial because mainstream media is not adequately covering the n.s.a. leaks and their importance to everyday citizens i believe that the fourth amendment is being breached by only the government but by the police with search and seizure with the n.s.a. leaks and everything that's been coming out even though they say that there's laws that make everything they do legal it seems like legal gymnastics to me i voted for obama twice i donated twice but i'm tired of the expansion of these programs that seem to violate our rights it really frighten me that the director of national intelligence lied to congress and i haven't really been any repercussions we're living in the midst of the of the largest. you know an unreasonable search and seizure system we've ever seen in the history of mankind is completely suspicion less search and seizure of our information and that people should be infuriated that this crowd has marched more than kilometers down manhattan with andy here at
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federal hall where the first congress passed the bill of rights in addition to this event more than five hundred thousand people have signed an online petition stop watching dr oz demanding full disclosure of all n.s.a. programs now although this rally may be over those participating in it say that their campaign is just to get it ready for me or marina porton i am heartsick. and tom corella an organizer of the of rhonda in new york says the fox the u.s. government has been spying on electronic communications with the advantage of warrants makes surveillance unprecedented on the. it is necessary for surveillance to occur however the problem with the way that it's being done now is that only unconstitutional and i would say that many will feel that way the fourth amendment says the government can search and seize any information without
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a warrant and although warrants can be issued through the eyes and it's act they're usually done after the fact after the search has been done and they've had a almost one hundred percent. of these swarms but we hope to be able to make those programs constitutional by explicitly prohibiting surveillance of americans without warrants backed by probable probable cause. to some more news making the headlines across the wall this hour pretty soon perry clashed with protesting civil servants or lima he's in malta cannons and tear gas to break up the crowds as they rounded against a new law was forcing annual assessments on government why because this is the most recent of a string of protests against multiple reforms that have been taking part in citizen nationwide critics say job losses are on the horizon as day students demonstrate against changes to education. pakistan's new government has
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learned the country's a ban on the death penalty expired london's and they seem to national has condemned the decision as shocking and retrograde a moratorium was introduced by other than government in two thousand and eight that expired last month around four hundred fifty people are currently on death row in prisons across the country. archbishop desmond tutu has intervened to ask nelson mandela's feuding relatives to stop fighting his family's currently embroiled in a very public dispute over the political trials final place of resting in ninety four year old is in a critical but stable condition in a pretty hospital where masses are well wishers have gathered outside. and so side bombing has rocked a predominantly sunni town in iraq killing at least four people and a target in a uniform detonated his car parked with explosives just before midday prayers this follows a wave of bombings across the country on tuesday which claimed fifty six lives in
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one day alone according to un statistics more than seven hundred people were killed last month in iraq as the country goes through a spiral of sectarian violence. russia and china are beginning joint naval drills in the sea of japan beijing says the exercises which will run for a week are the largest it has ever held with a foreign partner destroyers warships airplanes helicopters and submarines are all taking part china is a major customer for russian arms and wants closer ties beijing has territorial disputes with several neighbors and is concerned about washington's influence in the region. up next washington's reaction on the n.s.a. revelations from the debate in costco.
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as a person who lives in russia i get asked very often why automatic console fat well are americans actually fat or is this just a myth from some hater countries the centers for disease control have declared obesity to be a disease that's a twenty point nine percent of adult americans are obese and that is an all time high people blame the sedentary lifestyle as the cause yes if you were out all day at work and then all evening after driving home sure doesn't help your waistline but problems can have multiple causes and the authors of the book rich food poor food believe it could be tied to eat foods that are allowed in america but are banned in many other countries across the globe some of these chemicals and techniques and foods that are banned by some other countries are a less strong which is in many snack products which lower scale worries but kills your body's ability to absorb minerals brought me to flour which saves tons of time
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for the baker but beats up your internal organs and of course our good old friend synthetic growth hormones which are in livestock which have been linked to cancer big problems really have simple solutions you can run around and exercise as much as you like but if you're being pumped full of these chemicals that are illegal in much of the world well your chances of fitting into that bathing suit are ironically slim but that's just my opinion. and this is. cretaceous three years for charges three. three. three. three. three brown video for your media project free video down to our t.v. dot com.
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hello and welcome across the uk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle spies are us in this case it's the us and it finds on just about everyone in the world including its so-called friends and allies why shouldn't seeks total global information dominance and this is being done we're told to fight terror wouldn't it be better if the us monitored its intelligence community rather than snoop on the rest of us. to cross the global information dominance i'm joined by t.j. walker in new york he is a syndicated t.v. commentator and in london we cross jim killer he is the executive director of the
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open rights group all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage and jim if i can go to you first in london. leaks after week after week it shows that the united states is watching quite a few people and collecting data on them including europe now and people are calling the united states big brother but the washington elite is just brushing it off saying business as usual here and i think that's outrageous what's happened here is that the united states and the u.k. in fact have. taken some loopholes in their laws that say they don't the u.k. believes it can take data or people when they're communicating overseas the united states believes it can take whatever it is. likes if you're not a united states citizen or there's a greater probability that you're not a united states citizen and i'm allies in this data is going into data stores all kinds of things going on so that they can analyze and pick that data and see what they might find on the kind of mass trawling it. exhibition so
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i think it's pretty outrageous i don't think it would stand up in europe human rights courts i think people would very quickly see that you cannot just take everybody's data on the basis that some people might be guilty that's effectively putting the whole population under suspicion and that is how you put everyone into feeling that they're watched and put some kind of fear an atmosphere of fear. around everybody has profound consequences for democracy if people feel that they're under constant surveillance and under constant threat of their private information being abused ok t.j. i think everyone knows security is important but are these programs proportionate to the threat. where we don't really know the threat i mean everyone has their own bias i have a bias as an american living in new york city so from my perspective i have no
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worry about the government the obama administration or of even a bush administration coming into my house and killing me i do have a fear of terrorists i was a block away from times square a couple years ago when the car bomb almost went off i was in the streets of manhattan when the twin towers came down so i like a lot of americans do have a fear of terrorist and yet there's been no evidence of the obama administration or for that matter the bush administration using this data collection to go after innocent americans or to go after their political opponents ok t.j. have they foiled any major terrorist attacks i mean they do say believe us do you believe them. well the u.s. government claims that it's foiled claims see some attacks i mean yeah and i don't know for certain i don't work for the n.s.a. or the united states government but we haven't had any major successful attacks
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since nine eleven that doesn't mean it for all of it but you can't prove the opposite by just saying you don't know either ok jim what do you think about. well i think you know we don't know what the government's doing but we do know that when intelligence works it tends to be through human intelligence some governments use these kinds of intrusive surveillance and others don't but there isn't a sort of evidence that the evidence this kind of snooping produces more people in courts what we what we do know is that in general you have. these people the people who are being spied on know that big spied on and the amount of data that's available about them is ever less and less m i five in the u.k. are complaining that the surveillance systems now in place are getting more and more
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useless because the serious criminals are going to be played this is this is routinely what happens t.j. i mean why is the united states spying on the european union on brussels. it's on the war on terror i mean why would we have to worry about the you know i know a lot of people european union don't like brussels but i mean why is the united states have to spy on them. i don't know presumably the united states wants to gather information everywhere they can i want to address something jim said earlier that you said that the united states was founded some sort of of loophole in their law anytime someone complains about finding loopholes in the laws what they really mean is that person is acting illegally and that's one of the big problems many people have with snowden this idea of calling him a whistleblower you are called a whistleblower when you are when you are typically pointing out illegality there hasn't been any proof yet that what the united states did was in fact legal within
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the united states its loophole is go ahead jim go ahead but what this loophole is the united states constitution guarantees privacy in the fourth amendment for its own citizens you can't just simply go in and rifle through people's papers seize goods and so on without you know what i warrant but if you're not a united states citizen the rights that united states citizens have don't apply to you that's the loophole basically a citizen of europe a member of the european parliament can be treated in exactly the same way as a north korean body rageous. ad adversary and their definition of. a legal definition of adversary i think this is what jim is getting at. who's the adversary or something can be outrageous and not necessarily be illegal so that's why i do have i do that's right tell us about it with a great deal of the holding snowed in calling snowden
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a whistleblower what he years or somebody who was working for the government took a vow of secrecy then saw a policy he didn't like and decided to reveal it to the world that. we do know is what he did was illegal and i don't think whether you work for the government in brussels or great britain or anywhere else you want every single individual who works for the government making their own public policy on what they like and don't like going to be don't like it they will reveal it to the world that simply is not a sustainable thing for. teacher you're right but you've got a problem here that both the u.k. and the american government are deciding for themselves what is legal and what is not they're putting that into practice they're doing that secretly they're not revealing what their surveillance mechanisms that mass surveillance mechanisms are
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and then a very small number of people relatively small number of people sworn to secrecy know about it and therefore it's almost impossible to have a democratic debate about whether any of this is reasonable i mean this is true that a lot of what edward snowden revealed about the way that the foreign intelligence of a surveillance act and the u.k.'s use of the regulation of investigatory powers act the way that these actually used some of it was known or suspected we did think that some of these big programs might well be going on but it was all rumor and hearsay it was little articles in specialist technical magazines it wasn't on the front page of the guardian it wasn't in every news service we weren't having discussions like this we need to have discussions like. this even if we actually in the end agree with the programs that these governments have put forward saying i don't think people will when they understand that they're being placed under suspicion and the amount of power that governments are accumulating over them but
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we need to have that debate if edward snowden was the only way for that to happen then he realized that then you know he has to make that moral judgment if he's not going to be placed in the position where he has to make that moral government judgment that governments needed to have been responsible about what they tell the population in the first place so that the people being sworn to secrecy were big sworn to secrecy because of operational reasons that they weren't to reveal the actual people being investigated or the specific set of what intelligence agencies were doing to investigate specific crimes he wasn't revealing any of that he was just saying here is the systemic situation this is how these laws are being employed this is the kind of information that is being gathered and these are the means by which that's happening and that's something we should have known in the first place ok t.j. for those sounds like a public service go ahead. well i don't agree that snowden is
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a hero but i do agree with you that it is a good thing for open societies to have a debate on what is fair game in terms of surveillance and what is privacy so even though i don't think so is someone who should be turned into a hero i do think it's a good idea that we're having a debate like this and it would be a bit happy. actually you know in the middle of it is to but it took snowden have this debate when you are green. well he certainly sparked major interest in this and what happened in the united states is after nine eleven of the bush administration the patriot act a lot of these things were rushed through and then they were put into law and then people sort of forgot about it and congress didn't spend a lot of time talking about it the media didn't spend a lot of time talking about it so i do think it is a good thing that we as a society are debating it but i also think the media need to do a better job of reporting actual facts that the average american thinks right now
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that the government is just sort of eavesdropping on every phone conversation willy nilly that's not what has happened we don't know what we don't know we don't know if that's true do we need more information more debate go ahead jim well i think what we what we did i mean i think you're going to do we know they're doing something we're going to get we're going to the details of who was communicating with the government is the u.s. government is collecting the details of who is communicating with who and way and that is an extremely intrusive kind of information to store and they weren't prepared to reveal that you fact similar things happen in europe but at least in europe we have the public debate and in fact in a week or so it's time some of the laws governing how they're under challenge in courts in europe so we have the chance of our court system and the human rights that we've written into law within europe challenging some of these gentlemen i have to jump in here and reverse to go to what short break and after that short
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break we'll continue our discussion on the ongoing surveillance scandal state party . the civilized world produces more food than it needs. while people die of hunger in other countries. millions of victims every. where a meal is the most value treasure. last. is flood or droughts to blame. and it was
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a bad year without a train. we couldn't plods anything but didn't want to move there was great hunger in some. ways it did help comes too late and without good intentions. charity diplomacy and business on up to the. real damage and complexity of this oil spill was not something you can grasp just by looking at dirty birds we have between four to five million people in this directly affected area of the coast and it's pretty clear why it's not being reported because b.p. can't afford to have a reported all along the gulf coast are clean they are safe and they're open for business if b.p. is the single largest oil contributor to the pentagon the us war machine is heavily reliant upon b.p. .


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