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tv   Sophie Co  RT  October 14, 2013 2:29pm-3:01pm EDT

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today. these are the images. from the streets of canada. hello and welcome to sophie and co on sophie shevardnadze israel may be losing its cause with the us because of a pretty unexpected arrival iran president obama after his failed attempt to strike syria welcomed the chance to be remembered for possibly opening a new iran relations with the islamic state israel's alarm calls over aidan's nuclear ambitions have nearly been drowned out by the friendly face of iran's
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rouhani at the u.n. general assembly well israel now stand alone will it strike singlehandedly. contrast and conflict israel has achieved its right to exist even though. it's used to dictating its terms that's not to conform knowing this is always there but. how things change for israel is their big friend drifting carried away by its own fights and failures is israel up to the task of the fed to get self. so our guest today is israel's deputy foreign minister is it ed q thank you very much for being with us on this program that benjamin netanyahu his visit to the united states doesn't seem to have produced the desired result for its row so is america less of a friends now. i have to say this was
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a very interesting visit companied the prime minister and we visited new york and washington. should do it it is too early to talk about specific results at this point because that israel's goal is very simple sublists good machine and we wanted to discuss some issues with our american friends and allies and in addressing the un general assembly to show the whole world a simple truth to present israel's facts based position regarding iran's nuclear program atmosphere at the week before our visit there was an atmosphere of euphoria all the iranian president had to do was to say a few words on the whole world immediately for god that the concept of the reigning democracy is quite unusual they elect a president from a list of candidates approved by spiritual leaders many candidates are basically bared from running the world seem to have forgotten about iran's military nuclear program which is still under way and this is not just israel saying so the i.a.e.a.
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and other international agencies gathering intelligence on this program say so. so what these really prime minister did is basically he put a mirror in front of the whole world. will have to wait and see what kind of effect this may have. to shoot well heard this speech he made at the united nations and he also clearly sat in that speech said israel will stand alone against iran if it has to now considering how isolated israel is in the region now adays low limit is probably the word to describe it do you feel alone now. you know of course we don't feel alone. we've got a lot of friends and allies including the united states and many other european nations and countries in other parts of the world you know the israeli prime minister made one very simple point he said that our experience with syria
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demonstrated that for our talks with iran to be successful two conditions must be met first we need to continue putting pressure on iran. this happens through sanctions without this pressure rouhani wouldn't have won the election without this pressure the iranian leadership wouldn't say they're ready for talks with the west . they wouldn't have said there are open to new ideas if there are new ideas at the second our experience with syria has made it very clear that the iranian leadership realizes that if there is no progress in talks the world will never put up with iran having nuclear weapons. neither the world no israel will ever put up with that but if there is no other solution available israel will have to act on its own and take the necessary steps to make sure you ron does not have the nuclear weapons just call it that this is what this statement was about we did
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it in yahoo sad basically wasn't even if the world is has it and we can't afford to make a mistake here because israel is the country iran threatens to wipe out with them that the iranian leadership openly says so in this sense there is no difference between rouhani enough. for his visit to new york through honey publicly declared that their goal is to annihilate israel so in this situation israel definitely cannot risk the security of its citizens and in fact the security of people living in this entire region because our neighbors premiere iran's nuclear program just as much as we do. formal more than once they have told us. at unofficial meetings that it is iran not israel that they regard as the greatest threat to their countries arab countries think iran is a much bigger threat than israel so quite unexpectedly that israel and a number of countries in the region share
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a common agenda today we share the same understanding that iran's nuclear program and iran's involvement in the syrian conflict posed the biggest threat to stability in the middle east conflict so instead of saying israel is isolated. i would say that on the contrary israel managed to ted down the wall of isolation that traditionally has surrounded israel he gave as regards egypt we have a working relationship with the new egyptian leadership in a sense we can say that our relations approving over what we had during president morsi is time that morsi the time of islamist rule in egypt. we do have some difficulties in our relationships with turkey oh this is because of the guns geopolitical choice he made a decision that instead of being a part of europe turkey should become a key player in the middle east and the best way to do that is to wean allies by playing the anti israeli card. we'll have to wait and see whether this approach
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works generally israel is alarmed of course by the growing islamised influence in the middle east and we were one of the first countries in the world to raise the alarm and in fact russia was another country to do the same. but that israel and russia share the same view from the early days of the so-called arab spring. we predicted that it would turn into a severe islamic winter and this is what is happening today to even though the latest developments in egypt in recent months give us hope. that maybe the tide has turned and by radical islamists all over the middle east has been stopped and we may see some reversal here. that that woman school could this will very much depend on how efficient the new gyptian letisha turns out to be sleaze and how much support it receives from other nations and whether it can demonstrate to the people of egypt that it can deal with domestic issues better than the muslim brotherhood and morsi. now nuclear iran alerts constant alert scaring israelis with this
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seen by some critics as an attempt to distract attention from domestic issues not to lose the euro people's confidence israel will have to strike iran at some point when will it happen in your estimation. the super just wasn't because of it at this point it's hard to tell how events will unfold. this will very much depend on whether the iranian leadership really has decided to strike a deal not just some semblance of a deal in all the truth continue developing its military nuclear program while at the same time making the west live the sanctions that really put pressure on the iranian economy but a real deal i mean. where iran will really make a strategic decision to terminate its military nuclear program. but you don't need a name for a peaceful nuclear program dozens of countries all over the world would build nuclear power plants without enriching uranium themselves without building
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underground uranium enrichment facilities without building a petroleum reactor that all the things point to the fact that iran's nuclear program is for military purposes and this has nothing to do with the peaceful use of nuclear energy that the iranian president talked about the. matter of whether the uranium leadership really means all those things that rouhani said in his speech at the u.n. general assembly in new york if what he wants is peaceful nuclear energy and good relations with iran's neighbors in the region and the nations of european civilization the door is open and there will be no need for israel to take any drastic measures. let's say ok but what if iran that's to stop peaceful enrichment when will is throughout strike. the formula here is very simple you have to understand what happened over the past
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year. after the israeli prime minister showed very clearly where the red line of uranium enrichment is just on the line beyond which it will be impossible to stop iran's pursuit of an atomic bomb because all the other parts of the project like designing a delivery vehicle or building a device capable of initiating a nuclear explosion and that can be carried out in secret and cannot be monitored. is a stoat is that iran has changed its strategy. instead of stockpiling in recent uranium as before crossing the red line and forcing israel to take action now uses a different approach. if they develop their technology so that when the iranian leadership decides that the time has come to run can achieve the required enrichment level very quickly with the technology available and to iran today unless all in reached uranium is removed from iran and unless the enrichment process is stopped including even three point five percent enrichment all the
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iranian proposals including the latest ones mean nothing iran will still have a way once the political decision has been made to get weapon grade enrich uranium in just a few weeks once iran has all the necessary to acknowledge it to produce a delivery vehicle and an explosive device iran can get enough unrest uranium in a matter of weeks the only way to prevent this from happening is to stop your raney enrichment altogether including even low enriched uranium and to remove the existing stockpile of interest uranium from iranian territory anything less will be a half measure that will not take us anywhere but let me ask you this you're obviously very worried about nuclear iran but what about israel itself i mean you know that on the sidelines everyone is convinced israel has a nuclear bomb and you have the south korea's research institute that estimates that you guys actually have eighty warheads already. as always to be in the us i'm yet to get i have no comment on your question all i can say is that i.a.e.a.
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is sponsoring talks about an international conference on nuclear disarmament in the middle east. the biggest reason why this conference has not yet taken place is because arab nations that have taken a tough stance saying they're not willing to compromise. israel's position on the other hand is flexible but unfortunately due to the tough stance taken by the arab countries the u.s. and russia have so far been unable to organize such a conference. that they want to see new the built so let me just speak clear you he choose to stick with the deliberate on big u.t. as far as the nuclear issue goes not saying guess but not saying now ever since they are sixty five. i'm afraid i can't tell you anything different from israel's usual policy on this issue but hey to disappoint you but you are not getting a scoop from me at least you would all right we'll take
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a short break now when we'll be soon back exploring if a settler mentality is helpful when you're top official in israel and the palestinians have a right to complain when it comes to dealing with the i.d.f. . some may disagree. but i believe america is exceptional. let's we can't.
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let. let's. look. big bucks for. everybody to do the job the price is the only industry specifically mentioned in the constitution and. that's because a free and open process is critical to our democracy schreck albers. role. in fact the single biggest threat facing our nation today is the corporate takeover of our government and across several we've been hijacked like handful of transnational corporations that will profit by destroying what our founding fathers once all just my job market and on this show we reveal the big picture of what's actually going on in the world if we go beyond identifying the problem. rational debate and
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a real discussion of critical issues facing their fun you're ready to join the movement then welcome to the big. welcome back our topic today says israeli regional and global policies and our guest today is to countries deputy foreign ministers if and can thank you very much for being with us today once again so what future do you envision for the so-called territories the west bank if he does not believe palestinians deserve a state. as you know the measure of the palestinian state is a controversial issue in israel prime minister believes that the palestinian state
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could be created while some members of his party even the majority of them including me have to go about it but in order to understand this dispute you need to understand the actual situation israel has been in for the past twenty years. but this it's been twenty years since the peace process started after the oslo accords were signed and the palestinian autonomy was formed but that i'll give you a few figures for the numbers of israelis killed by palestinian terrorists over these years is fifty percent higher than the number of people will last in the forty five years prior to that. palestinian terrorists have killed two thousand and five hundred israelis since the nation of israel was founded and one thousand five hundred of them were killed in the past twenty years even though we've been constantly involved in the peace process and have signed the oslo accords these numbers speak for themselves and explain why the railways are so skeptical about
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making concessions again and again while all we get from the palestinians in return is the ever increasing number of terrorist attacks there is one more thing that can help us understand why a part of the israeli society is skeptical about the creation of the palestinian state some time ago we withdrew our troops from the gaza strip and went back to the internationally recognized borders but as if the palestinian dream came true we went back to the nine hundred sixty seven borders. but what came out of it is the gaza strip turned into a stronghold of radical islamic terrorism. with the gaza strip in a coup and the official leadership of the palestinian autonomy was expelled. through essential it became a launching side for rocket attacks on israel so now one third an even. half of the population of israel wake up every morning in fear that their homes or their yards that's maybe hit by a rocket or that their kids may go to school and be killed by
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a rocket on the way to school or at school so this is the situation one third to half of the population of israel has been living in since we left the gaza strip but. if it were up to leave it at that. i cannot tell you right now what should happen in the gaza strip because israel has left the gaza strip and is no longer responsible for this territory she is not sure i know exactly what should not happen there them a gaza strip should not be a launching side for rocket attacks on israeli women children and civilians palestinian leadership is responsible for this this is why israel is not willing to repeat this experiment that in judea and samaria. mr nelson however though however where do you go from here i mean the palestinians already have a small but still important right to self governing what do you do that you just cancel it. but. actually in
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a sense the palestinians are now responsible for themselves these really prime minister is ready to sign an agreement with them all he is asking is two simple things first he's asking for security guarantees in other words the treaty should not jeopardize the security off his people and second he's asking the palestinians to and the conflict but the conflict cannot end until the palestinian leaders recognize the very existence of the jewish state in this region irrespective of the borders until they do so any treaty would only fuel more conflict yes there are yasser arafat's abu mazin and other palestinian leaders openly declared that they would take one step at a time but first they take what israel is ready to give voluntarily and then the conflict will continue so they get more territory. so israel is not willing to be the sucker of the middle east and to make long term concessions sacrificing the
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security of its own citizens only to find out in the end the conflict isn't over that is going on as before except that israel is now in a much worse position and so answering your question in a sense it is now the palestinians will have to choose if they do seek self-determination and want to. become an independent state they have a real partner which is moreover a very practical one as it has the backing of the both the left and part of the right but as you can see not only do they has a day to jump at this opportunity now they openly declare that they wouldn't be interested in a peaceful agreement all these real if under this agreement they have to end the conflict and put up with the existence of a jewish state in this region that the current israeli government is set to be the most pro settler one in history you yourself are a settler on occupied territory how is settler mentality different from the mentality of the rest of his rallies. and i don't think that the mindset of the
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so-called settlers ease any different from that of the navy was really people about ten percent of these rallies now leave outside the borders in ninety six to seven and it is not some small group of radical people the knesset speaker who is a russian speaking politician like me was the border. former foreign minister avigdor lieberman true i think is our future foreign minister too lives in a settlement neighboring my place and it's not typical of israel only there are a lot of similar scenarios in other regions which do not face much opposition from the international community for some reason so let's just remember the situation in cyprus territory is controlled by turkey. although the international community doesn't admit that it's cooperates actively with the turkish government although this part of cyprus and invests a lot there including money from the european budget israeli settlers who live on the land that was inhabited by our ancestors one thousand and even
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a few thousand years ago the shit that there's a hill next to my house where even without digging you can find plenty of archaeological artifacts from the time when this territory was the very heart of the jewish state as i have already said we were not the reason the state of palestine wasn't established. the arabs were the ones who rejected the un's decision of nine hundred forty seven and started a war destroying israel as in the is a very same thing happened in nine hundred sixty seven this territory was captured by israel and that was not because israel took up arms but because jordan declared war on israel although israel went to great lengths to persuade jordan not to join the war of nine hundred sixty seven using all possible diplomatic means before this territory had been by the way occupied by the jordanian military so according to international law at least this is how many internationally recognized lawyers put it is really settlements on these territories do not violate any laws. you know
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there is an israeli organization called breaking the silence they collect and publish stories of israel defense force olders on their routine service in the occupied territories there are a concert pretty disturbing palestinians being harassed mistreated intimidated on a daily basis and for no reason except for you know demonstrating the idea of how or over them how do you expect to solve anything with palestinians with such treatment. well nigh to yap. i suggest that you should come and visit me in the so-called settlement which is located not far from the israeli military and let's just carry out an experiment will go to a neighboring arab village and ask local kids women or the youth if they shun coming to the settlement i live in or moving around the territory where israeli soldiers are present you will see that they don't. they're absolutely fine coming over to villages they visit our shops they work on this territory and feel
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completely secure and safe from harassment by the israeli soldiers you mentioned ls conduct a reverse experiment is that let's ask the israelis living in the settlements my children if they're ready to take the risk of going to a nearby arab village and watch would happen if they did the answer will be a simple no and it's no surprise in the past such endeavors and that in lynch trials in the best case scenario these rallies who happen to venture into arab villages got captured and then freed after a lengthy and difficult negotiations in the worst case scenario they ended up dead but by the most recent incident took place just several weeks ago. two young men worked in a store that which was by the way situated within the internationally recognized israeli borders the arab man invited his israeli colleague to visit his home in an arab village. but the end of the story is a tragic one is that these really man was killed and his arab colleagues so to
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speak that was planning to demand the release of some palestinian prisoners in exchange for the body over a young man he had been working with for a long time and invited him to his house to look at that. that's what's really happening where i live and it differs significantly from the reports made by various international organizations or mass media. please come and film this and you will see for yourselves that what we often read in the papers is a long way from reality and i'm just it's. what's going on right now that israeli syrian border and israel accepting refugees from syria. we are very concerned with the situation on the israeli syrian border unfortunately the general instability in syria affects israel as well there are many militant groups active on this border now that at times the clashes between them result in
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israeli territory being and accidental or deliberate fire is that it is good to get the israelis following a very cautious policy in trying to stay out of the syrian conflict but we offer help when we can even more time for example when syrian people living near israeli border is a wounded and you need medical assistance is there and they are taken to israeli hospital several machines that are currently there are a number of syrians in israeli hospitals in the north sea however as i look at israel this policy of noninterference has a such a red line is that yes there will definitely not be idly standing by if there is a possibility of syria's chemical weapons falling into the hands of terrorists we hope that the russian american plan to destroy syria's chemical arsenal will facilitate stability in syria and the whole region that being a student in the danger of terrorists or. is asians like hezbollah or the anti assad organizations with links to al qaida you getting hold of chemical
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weapons is very serious and not only for israel but the more these chemical weapons might resurface anywhere in the world the second unacceptable thing is using the situation in syria as a cover for supplying lebanon and such organizations as hezbollah it with state of the art weapons look at that we could tape of the existing balance of power in attempts to smuggle some high quality weapons made in russia or other countries from syria to lebanon have happened before. and they have something like that happens now we would be forced to take action. in other cases israel for noninterference and providing medical assistance to this severe. population of syria living close school cheap israeli border. this is it for today my guest was israel's deputy foreign minister said to me sophie shevardnadze thanks so watching we'll see you next time.
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