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hey guys i'm abby martin and this is breaking the set november twenty second of this year will mark the fiftieth anniversary of the assassination of u.s. president john f. kennedy it's an incident still surrounded by questions that many americans are trying to answer one of the filmmakers made the best attempt to put the disparate pieces together for a time academy award winning director all over stone now he's commemorating the canby anniversary by rereleasing has epic film j.f.k. and an ultimate director's cut the collector's edition also includes a segment from oliver stone's showtime series the untold history of the united states a film adaptation of the joint book authored by stone and historian peter cousin that could take a lot. if the word go forth from this time and place to
friend and foe alike. that the torch has been asked to a new generation of americans. but with his murder the torch was passed back to an old generation the generation of johnson nixon ford and reagan. who would systematically destroyed the promise of kind of these last year as they returned the country to war and repression joins me now to discuss j.f.k. and their five year long project oliver stone or cosmic excellent to have you both on thank you very much all or i want to start with you it's clear that your series sets j.f.k. apart from other presidents what makes you think he would have been different if. he was different in those three years he came into office after thirty years of national security state building monstrous buildup we had we had thirty thousand nuclear weapons when the sixty. mandated by eisenhower
a national security complex that was basically had a first strike capability on the soviet union and could get away with it and that is the basis for which the cuban missile crisis and the berlin berlin crisis of one nine hundred sixty one two brought us to the edge to the brink of war eisenhower's secretary of state dollars had called it brinksmanship going against the soviet union going to rollback containment but as a far more aggressive policy in that scene we'd had five or six nuclear threats we made against the chinese and against the soviet you kennedy inherited this office as a young man. and he was suspected by the military leaders the hardliners of the us that he did not have that the wherewithal to really continue the eisenhower policy he had failed to do so in laos to go in to send ground troops he failed in cuba at the bay of pigs to give it to the air support that it needed when he failed in the vietnam to really carry through a
a much more in gauged process with the get the me he said non-combat advisors but not combat people so if this was going on that he was fighting and this is known now this is all come out now not when the film came behind the scenes tremendous civil war. and fifty years later right now it is irrefutable evidence came out that implicated the u.s. government or elements of the government and his assassination how do you think the american people would react what you're asking me if it came out now i think we've reached a sort of a because of kennedy's death that we went back in time i think we had a backlash of conservatism ronald reagan and all the presidents i mentioned in those clips that they they brought us to a place for far more to the right than we were when kennedy was alive this is a shame and but this is a bit american military intelligence policy security policy that has built up since world war two look the soviets disappeared in one thousand nine hundred one we kept bra. and ongoing we got bigger and bigger now we have eavesdropping across the
world we have a we have seven hundred thousand foreign bases six thousand domestic use we have. full spectrum dominance air sea land cyber warfare space war we are way ahead of everybody else we have first strike superiority once again so it's a very troubling time but you ask me of important question i didn't answer it before about if kennedy had lived well we wouldn't be alive if kennedy had not done what he did at the cuban missile crisis with khrushchev we were really at the edge of war they said come they want to which the joint chiefs of staff wanted to go they wanted to invade cuba we didn't even know the situation in cuba how many bombs they had how many soviet troops were ready to fight there they were led by the commander of stalingrad was there it was a serious war we were facing in cuba it would have escalated into a major international conflict we had bombers ready to go off okinawa dropping nuclear weapons on china we had
a whole war plan that eisenhower had devised was massive war calling for something like six hundred million casualties we were thinking ahead you have no idea what we faced and that's what kennedy's courage came at that moment when he said no to the hardliners as khrushchev said no to his hardliners and both men disappear within a year well i can't move on without talking about robert mcnamara joint chiefs of staff under kennedy who actually presented him with the operation northwoods document and it was rejected thankfully i mean isn't it amazing declassified document actually came out after you kind of bring in i don't put a sheet of oak in the provoking the attack on cuba that's that's very sad it's that's black ops that's it's shocking and it goes on all the time that's the part create an atmosphere of war stir up conflict raise the fear truman did it with the truman doctrine and with greece the united states has done it quite a lot more than you know and that's why we wrote this history peter you can talk about nuclear threats we have a bush had a similar plan to provoke an attack on iraq. he's going to paint us plane i did
nations colors that it shot down and use that as a pretext to invade iraq so this thing goes on all the time still in the bush the father of bush in kuwait way yeah why do you think these are a false flags and more historically explored in these provocations kind of the use of these false provocations are starting to do for this but we're excited especially to try to expose this to national security archives putting out great documents about these things so people know some of this but it's at the heart of our story because we're telling the other side of american history the dark side all that intervention is the assassinations the dirty tricks the psychological warfare the torture of don't forget the arrogance it's behind and that you have those two it's always bombs and you're able to drop them on japan and get away with it successfully by calling it a moral victory and saying that it ended world war two then you adopt the attitude that because you want you were right because you're right you're good that's what
follows and therefore you create your own moral code oh i love i love the series because i think a recurring theme is the atomic bomb not only the dropping of the bombs but the way that we were able to use that leverage almost just the world feared us because. we drop we use atomic bombs twice but we shows that the united states has used the top of bob's repeatedly in the same sense that a person holding a gun to someone's head to rob them uses the gun without pulling the trigger and truman uses that and iran right after world war two we use it over and over again to twice. korea so was korea have soo i mean this happens over and over again proposed every presidential order and nuclear because it had. the madman nixon proposed that he would use nuclear weapons in vietnam he never came about because he was already bombing the hell out of the place most massive blaze. one who followed men said that the united states threatened nuclear war
thirteen times against. unbelievable and this brings me to reagan's obsession with the star wars fantasy and i think it was almost the most despicable part of the story was seen that there was actually a once in a lifetime chance for nuclear disarmament and he just started on it. because they were regulars at reykjavik reagan clung so fiercely to is fantasy about star wars gorbachev was proposing that we give up all nuclear weapons and he said that as long as you keep star wars testing in the laboratory rather than do outside testing for ten years we'll sign off on eliminating nuclear weapons and reagan refused to do it shots and the others were so heartbroken because they saw how close we came but reagan would not let go of that and gorbachev was furious i mean let's go right to now are we in this situation exists now we were back in that position we were nine hundred sixty we have you know the bush father made
a deal with gorbachev to that he would not expand nato eastward next nato was originally a defensive organization for it put you into europe and that was a big deal by the way we can't overlook that nato was a huge commitment on our part but then he made a deal that he would not expect that was denied by clinton and by the sun they moved nato and obama all right on the border of russia as you know we're fighting very hard to get into georgia and we're fighting hard ukraine we're trying to make split off the ukraine we're constantly undermining the south caucasus the muslim population we don't care if we excited the muslim terrorist we really don't and that's when putin knows that so there's a lot of sense seen going on in the china side of the equation our alliances extended out of vietnam australia philippines we have a military presence korea and japan are heavily armed bases are everywhere and let's take a look at that map because you guys talk about the iron curtain the reverse one more point is that we drop the bombs and where they come from space. from planes
from submarines we have a.b.s. they are not rake in steel that's another deal that's been developed by the pentagon those are the type of sickness so whatever the idea is if we have first strike we could use it because we know that their capability to return could be limited and can we can we can we endure the retaliation the same theme that existed in one nine hundred sixty. saying we have first strike superiority and probably the ability to pull it off and it was a very important article in foreign affairs magazine which is the bible of the council on foreign relations the establishment magazine in march of two thousand and six by a lever and press said the united states now has a first strike capability against russia that if we attack them with nuclear weapons they would have no ability to retaliate if they had a few planes a few bombs that they could set off against us the missile defense is there to look at those and i want a map that shows kind of that reversal in where we are now surrounded and you know
we're only starting out. really according to u.s. policymakers has the cold war ever you know never we grabbed everything we could at the end of world war two we held on never turned anything back and defense spending skyrocketed again and after two thousand and one japan is i mean japan in the asia was our main bulwark germany in europe was i mean both work we broke off our treaty with the russians and we made in the west germany the country which terrified the soviets that's why there was so much tension when kennedy came to office khrushchev was convinced as were his hardliners that they were be set up for the big first strike with this president who was acting a bit like a cold warrior at the beginning they were worried very worried that's why they put missiles into cuba it was really to tear the u.s. from thinking that it could completely dominate. the ball game but they have good reason to fear the united states during that time because we had about overwhelming if you talk about the missile gap kennedy the. lloyd back to america patrick writes
the beginning of his administration to find out what the real reality was in the missile gap they found out that there was a missile gap but the united states was far ahead of the soviet union by the time of the cuban missile crisis we had about a ten to one advantage of every capability more on cuba right when we get back but i. think. the. economic down in the final. and the rest. it'll be. worth nothing. when it comes to the interests of multinationals we have
a media that is corrupted by power mostly by corporate power corporate ownership from the top corporate advertising coming in from the side we have a media. where advertising money and corporate influence is really the mother's milk a documentary filmmaker is being sued. for the truth is being told the private investigator. happens people buy and sell those kind of services pool of the world. hundreds of million dollar industry that needs to protect its reputation a few million being spent on the campaign to do just that. money will spend. so what will be the verdict. big boys. deliberate torch is on its journey to such. one hundred twenty three
days. through two hundred cities. really fourteen thousand people. or sixty thousand coming. in a record setting trip. numbers they. really. are. welcome back i'm speaking with award winning director oliver stone historian to talk about the untold history of the united states you guys i wanted to start with you peter the u.n. says sturrock vote two days ago one hundred eighty eight to only two navy boats to basically. criticize the cuban embargo and of course israel and the u.s.
were the only two countries to vote to uphold it is this just a cold war grudge what does the u.s. have at stake here and. i don't think the u.s. has anything at stake as a nation there are certain right wing interests in the united states cuban community in miami although the younger generation of cuban americans is growing very very different direction than the older generation with united states is concerned about. the left wing governments in latin america and those governments are very friendly toward cuba so there's much more of an effort in the oas and other bodies to isolate the united states now safe the united states doesn't change its policies toward cuba and these countries are just not going to go along with the united states has put it's symptomatic as part of a broader international lessening of u.s. influence we see what's happening in the middle east and i say can really influence the situations are war making we've got this powerful military the most powerful military in the history of humanity and it doesn't work since world war two you
look at korea you look at vietnam you look at afghanistan you look at iraq i mean we we can we can invade grenada and we can defeat a couple dozen cuban construction workers and reagan can go on television saying it's morning again in america the united states is back and standing proud but this the military solutions don't work to any of these problems even in libya situation there is falling apart we need some we need to rethink how we approach the world as much joy to really truly join it not as the dominant partner but as we would really take an active enormous middle you believe and i don't know president can we have. on that idea because americans like strong friendship except except that the american public was so overwhelmingly opposed to an attack on syria that both houses of congress were ready to vote to repudiate that that's amazing so i think
that the american people are learning slowly and consistently some areas yes some areas no but there's not only a war weariness there's a sense of being totally fed up as robert gates of all people who is with the cia for so long did a lot of damage was part of an architect in afghanistan and iraq robert gates said recently don't you learn from iraq afghanistan and libya. i said if any secretary of defense recommends that i send troops again and asia africa latin america he should have his head examined right and i knew that would be a quagmire but i fear we're virtue that what peter says is partially true i mean if there were another terror attack on them on us soil would we do people react over react as they did last time would go crazy again because we have the power this military that's what scares me and we're putting in place this architecture that exists whether obama is
a good manager of empires is not the issue the issue is what you have the ability to use this technology all over the world you will use it there will be one president will come along will not have the restraint of an obama will be a george bush again and what happens right of course once his policies are an act and they never go away no matter who you start building the atomic bomb as truman found out he's a little boy out of toboggan according to lesley gross no one was going to stop that bomb from being dropped from the moment we started building that bomb russia was our main. you know you said in the in the film series that those who control the world technologically it's almost that they will inevitably use it tyrannical do you think that now with the drone wars these mechanize murder weapon of war and whistleblowers and also just the n.s.a. spying on the world is that just exemplify the tyrannical evolution of the us absolutely what you have a bomb you want to use so we have put up the system where we were looking for terrorists right there is what two thousand and three thousand i don't know it's
a small band of people but people would now have the right to look at the entire haystack for the needle so the result is it's like hitler when hitler got used a lot of it got a lot of his power from the people because he was wailing about terrorists inside germany always they talk about terrorists that justifies a totalitarian state it's always the first method in george orwell's nine hundred eighty four it's always about terrorists even a moon because the only nutcases current the terrorists. communists planted in our schools and our government so who is creates this fear that the american people i love when gorbachev left and it will end up with it we will have to use technology so this is very scary very scary unless we educate people not to be scared to be beyond their fear to accept that uncertainty exists in life that terrorism does happen it did exist in europe for thirty years i was over in europe it was bombs in england the ira france there was cafes blown up in downtown paris for algeria there's all kinds of issues iraq iran italy japan spain terrorism they dealt with
it with good police work detective work they found the terrorists you don't have to put out a this mega alert system that we have with a national security agency and what they call the homeland security bureau fifty billion dollars already recently claimed that there are only five color coded system in there tom ridge finally resigned people because he said they were using it to manipulate the public fear how do we find it again this is very hard question all other thing that stuck out for me. was the voltaire quote that you use those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities how does that concept play and to the way that want here is being against george bush or a you know made the terrorists to be evil people who were against the freedoms that we have here they hate us because we're where they are our freedoms which was not true there was a blowback situation the terrorists acted because there was a definite desire to hurt the united states for hurting them i mean put five
hundred thousand troops in mecca saudi arabia the holy land that's what george bush the father did five hundred thousand troops he sent to saudi arabia on the kuwait attack and you have to get in the kuwait invasion to understand it but it's crazy we suddenly commit five we did that in vietnam and we went to an agony to do it remember we had five hundred thousand troops in vietnam we lost we had no business being there we had no business any five hundred thousand troops in the middle east in one thousand nine hundred two. and the other thing is. at that point all i was going to say about nine eleven you know in this talk about the august sixth presidential briefing that said you know a lot in the term a strike within the us but since that we've known that it's not just that it's dozens and dozens of warnings from all over the world and also internal cia warnings to the highest echelons of the department i just find it hard to believe that it was pure neptune i mean we already know that this government has a track record of just completely not caring about human life is there any inkling
in your mind at all that they allowed these attacks to happen. i think that's you know i you know question the expert in that situation and it did accomplish what's important to be the conclusions of nine eleven made the united states a different country. far more conservative for more scared and willing to strike out of iraq had nothing to do with. destroying the people of this country were basically for that invasion including the liberal hillary clinton voted for the new york times and all the all the supposedly liberals in the mainstream they went for the. some of those did not so you know but there were those warning not only is there warning the project for new american century which was the think tank the people who filled the bush administration almost everybody in that administration the neo cons came out of the project for a new american century and they issued a report saying that we need to massively rebuild america's defenses it's going to
take us a long time unless there's a new pearl harbor and that's what they see as the pilot after nine eleven so even though they probably were too inept to have been involved in causing it. blind to stop it even though they had all the warnings in the world that they should have been able to stop it seized upon it and use it to do everything they would if they were in new pearl harbor which is what the way they saw this out. exact thing just fell right into a couple months after the document is written the thing that i love about this book in the series is that it completely counters the myth of american exceptionalism this is the concept we've heard obama doubled down recently to other world leaders at the u.n. g.a. how does this notion impact america's standing in the world and why are our leaders continuing to reinforce the. putin spoke that he dressed obama down over this. state should not think of itself as being exceptional in that way of being better than other countries if you go to
a ball game and you get up there and they sing god bless america you know if there was a god that god would certainly bless everybody not just the americans what kind of crazy notion but this idea is very deeply rooted goes back to john winthrop sermon aboard the arbella in sixteen thirty mass which is bay so the united states should be a city upon a hill the world's eyes will be upon it woodrow wilson says. now the world knows america is the savior of the world that idea catches on big time in the one nine hundred eighty s. with ronald reagan the same time he said he supported death squads of central america supported the mujahideen in afghanistan he's talking about american benevolence and altruism and how we're so different but you see it in everybody you see madeleine albright the secretary of state and clinton says if we have to use force it's because we're the united states where the indispensable nation hillary clinton says the same thing obama says the same thing it's not a obama is different obama recently again but over and over again the beginning was
the ministration he said well i believe in american exceptionalism just as the brits believe in british exceptionalism in the greeks and greek exceptionalism he got it but now he got attacked they got pilloried by the right wingers led by mike huckabee for saying that now he's out there waving the flag talking about american exceptionalism what does this do to our standing this notion. that. there's american. it's implied if you burst you know it's it the problem is that we've never had a war that came to this homeland we've never experienced it i i have i have ice ice i have felt a slice of it in vietnam it was enough i got it war destroys both sides the problem with a victor in a war is that he believes he's right and he believes he has the right to use violence because he's doing the right thing so that that's what happened we had we were given a gift in world war two yeah we fought it but the soviet union basically wiped out the german war machine they took the brunt of the casualties twenty five million
russians died us at three hundred some thousand four hundred thousand casualties nothing comparable so we had this tremendous advantage after world war two we did it and roosevelt saw that if he had lived another three months i think would've kept that alliance we had with the with the with the soviets why because he did not want to become the british empire he saw the problems of the version he did not believe in colonialism colonialism was to be eradicated years ago and and it was not because truman and i have to be took roosevelt's position took a pro british empire position right away winston churchill was one of his biggest allies convinced him of the necessity to take on the soviets as well as their own hardliners from that point on the us went down on this rollercoaster and it just got worse and worse and worse and we have a minute left but you guys point to figures in history like kennedy gorbachev moments in time that were completely squandered and you guys posed the question what would be ready when these moments face us again and take the right course of
history what do you think that answer is i think the answer is if everybody who watches untold history and reason our book that's why we wrote this because we want we know that that as i like to say the curve of the ball can break differently in different situations especially after the world series added and we have to be ready we have to learn the lessons of the past learn where we messed up in the past learn why we made the mistakes of the past and begin to think differently we've got to begin to envision. i understand that the world could be very different political outcomes could be very different as well we point to the henry wallace is at the franklin roosevelt and the john kennedy's and the other people who saw the world differently george mcgovern had a very different vision of the world think the time is now and people are waking up you guys thank you so much for being such an integral part of the awakening a must see series untold history united states thank you so much for. really pushing us back on and that's it for our show tonight you guys thanks everyone for watching.
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