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to be in the know. on. world. science technology innovation all the list of elements from around russia we've got the future covered. the two things that work is separation from your bias and lack of sleep. and so the detainees then becomes to rely on the interrogator and hopefully then at some point the detainee will become so compliant that detainees will tell you the things that you're asking about and you'll get the intelligence information that you need. i'm going to say i spent an entire year on my own. when you're alone for so long that i'm more. beefeaters and you realize how many
things you could have done better in life. when we knew regret not having done them . more cons if you remember almost every person you treated badly. burned every heart you broke. as a child i wanted to be rich so i could drive fast cars. because of i enjoy drinking a lot sometimes it made me violent. i also took drugs. that's how i once lived. in my search for answers i turned to the car on and decided to live
a religious life as. i know at least one of his interrogations and i may have seen more he wasn't an innocent guy you know i'm sorry you know the cover story of i just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time but i'm really this religious guy just doesn't cut it. it was a very intense time many people felt certain there would be another attack against america and so that's the intensity of trying to work as hard as you could to do your part to save american lives. a part of me wanted to participate in this war on terror contribute. i knew if i didn't volunteer for. it was a good chance that i could be sent to afghanistan i did not want to go but. it was
a better chance of me coming almost live from guantanamo to my family. and be a third reason would be it's a career enhancing it looks good for on the record that you participated in some way in this global war on terror and you got the medals to go with their ribbons to go with it and it helps you get promoted to the next pay grade. and i felt i had a role to play and ensuring that we complied with the rule of law the law of war the they asked me questions like if i had seen a some of bin laden. and i told them of course i've seen them on t.v. like everyone else. that made them. we definitely have people who know things they aren't talking they're resisting every effort we've tried the normal methods so now we need something else.
in afghanistan they were doing many more severe things handcuffing someone above their head for hours and hours. any time you restrain somebody for long periods of time particularly over their head your organs collapsed on each other and you eventually died because of that. and so the interrogators to get moe as well as myself are thinking oh my gosh. you know you can't you can't anyway it's a it's unprofessional to do something like that. washington demanded better results from military interrogations but interrogators that one time obey felt that they were given no proper guidelines as to what was permitted to achieve those results dianne beaver was put in charge of drafting a memo on enhanced interrogation techniques. everyone understood the torture wasn't allowed and obvious forms of torture such as. cutting off
a finger or electrocute in any of those obvious things that you know you couldn't do death threats and things like that and so what was allowed. for example if someone said oh we have a pistol we know it's not loaded and we'll point it at somebody said no that would be illegal. what if we built a special chair. and put the detainees in your thinking special chair what does that mean. what about stress positions what about making them bend in an awkward position and they can't get up until. i see. so. there can be a gray area. when you're being asked for legal advice i did my best to look at the sources of the law that might apply. i certainly wasn't an expert.
i had called around asking for help and no one would help me and so right away you don't have to be too clever to know no one wants to touch it. and. we've research it now we have to put pen to paper and so my legal staff and i were it was very little sleep over those four days but we started putting the memo together and rewriting and looking at it and weigh the references and having alternately we're happy with what we came up with in october two thousand and two diane be very concludes in a classified memo that the proposed interrogation methods comply with u.s. and international law ten days later secretary of defense rumsfeld authorizes eighteen of the twenty two techniques including stress positions removal of
clothing and the use of detainee phobias like fear of dogs. rumsfeld does not authorize some of the harshest methods that included death threats and waterboarding. ok well now we have the decisive piece of paper let's go we need to you know start up interrogations again now that we have guidance and policy guidance from the very top of the department of defense. as interrogations in guantanamo were said to be conducted according to government approved guidelines the situation in iraq deteriorated and in two thousand and four images of torture and abuse in abu ghraib to the public. and believable what purpose did that serve it wasn't eliciting information. i mean you know this is sadistic
in this is not the product of a professional anything the usually jovial jodee rumsfeld was grim as he was sworn in and promptly took responsibility for what he called a catastrophe he was interrupted by a heck of a risk calling for his head. this terrible to because the army is will and has been tarnished and will be tarnished for a very long time is difficult to recover from something like this. the political upheaval didn't affect the every day life. over the course of his five year in prison meant the means of eliciting information steadily increased in intensity. for them sometimes they interrogated me for more than twenty four hours. to hear that there were. errors and.
then the americans and asked me what i had done in germany. or something. and then quiet about phone numbers and other information the stuff that only people in germany could know about so i was convinced of the americans had been in touch with the german police and. in june two thousand and four even retires from active military duty i knew it was time to get out because i'd accomplished as much as i could and i wanted to have have a dog i wanted to you know have my own house and those kinds of things where i didn't have to worry about would i be deployed what do i do. in the summer of that same year that d.s. was deployed for a six month tour of duty in guantanamo. because of the embarrassment that
there was more focus on going to animal as well. my mission while i was down there became to make sure that another abu ghraib didn't happen. my job was to star trek or allegation of abuse going back to the beginning of the camp. no matter how they characterized the conflict. where to treat detainees or those we detain. humane. what i observed that we were still not complying with the law of war. the name diane beaver came up because she wrote the original memo to request these enhanced interrogation to each one of the interrogators was concerned about the techniques that were authorized and so to know what center for reference.
people that were there clearly were not the worst of the worst and not everybody should have been there clearly they were just at the wrong place at the wrong time . and sold to the u.s. turned over to the u.s. . and iraq was one of them. you know my job is to. comport with the law make sure my commanders and my chain of command complies with the law so on that professional level of course i got to care because that's my job but on a personal level i mean i'm a human being and i don't i don't get joy out of seeing other human being suffer. the more i looked into it the more i realized that it doesn't matter what you advise your commanders those concerns are going to leave the island is not going to go up the chain. so my role to advise commanders on the proper way forward basically futile it's not going to get anywhere. that's was the moment that i
decided ok that was something i had to do. there's just no way to be able to do it through proper channels was my thought process and to do it surreptitiously. they kept interrogating me like this for years and years so i told them i'm through with you if you want to hear it again just rewind the tapes you already have and listen to it again nothing's changed. it's going to. punish me they barely fed me. they didn't give me water. and. they tried everything but i didn't say anything anymore.
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