today on larry king's knowledge the n.f.l. network's rich guys and the n.f.l. . is the gold standard product that's going on right now here everybody in network television is looking for something that's d.v.r. proof it's the n.f.l. sports center to be very honest with you changed it was a different show when i first got there will come when i left plus everybody from the commissioner on down they are there wringing their hands over this thing to make sure that the game is as safe as possible it's all next on larry king now. welcome to larry king now one of my favorite peoples with us so they were chuy's in the lead studios for the n.f.l. network as well as the host of n.f.l.

dot com as first ever podcast side appeared on that's right has the rich eisen broadcast he was the first on air talent signed to the n.f.l. network's roster in two thousand and three after a very successful seven year run that e.s.p.n. where he actually of the stood trial he started. he has a new dating app for sports fans free agent it's available for download now on the i phone and an i pad and we'll talk about that in a little while to come about these the mit work concepts years ago. my friend fred wilpon of the mets told me you know we're going to have a memo being that word and it isn't a phone that works and they still know n.b.a. and they're going to make a fortune these networks could isis really couldn't write they're all doing well right they will blame this it's all about content right now it's all about just creating as much content is that so unique to your own product as anybody else and the n.f.l. . is the. gold standard product that's going on right now you're everybody in

network television is looking for something that's d.v.r. proof it's the n.f.l. you're looking for reality television is nothing more reality television with. personalities and drama all that it's created every single snap of a football that's that's the n.f.l. so to take the content and either own it like thursday night football or talk about it every single day of the year which one n.f.l. network was created ten years ago the n.f.l. was not considered a year round sport as a moby always was well yeah i mean n l b is votes over exactly and training always started in pictures catcher this web report in february in the first pitches you know back in the day it was early april now you know they're calling something in late march so at the n.f.l. other than the drafted there really wasn't that much of a discussion that was going on there was some free agency but now it's that it's twenty four seven three sixty five and when i left e.s.p.n.

in over three one of my finals sports center ideas meetings we would always have an idea meeting they still do somebody brought up in april let's do a football story they were left out of the room where they were essentially you got to be kidding me we've got the masters final for baseball just starting up the eighth and final playoff spots in the n.b.a. and the n.h.l. being battle for what we're talking football now i have lost track of the number of daily live n.f.l. shows that are on e.s.p.n. and their family of networks so that's the idea is to create something to talk about something year around and keep it in the forefront as a rip a stamp or you know you are a reporter yes you're controlled. so you're not independent of the game well we have never once been told what to say or what not to say with the exception of before we launched the n.f.l. wanted no discussion of gambling so we turn into that old phil hartman character from s n l the unfrozen caveman lawyer like your gambling terms confuse me if it is a do. point i don't even know what you're talking about right now for instance you

were told about concussions well we've korea i mean we have an injury kramer who was a colleague of mine from back in the day s.p.n. and n.b.c. sports she is our player health and safety correspondent she definitely would not have joined and f l network in the n.f.l. media group if it was something that she thought we would have dinner in no way been restricted in any way no and no well let's put it this way i'm not going to sit here and say we're going to have a league of denial front line type series on concussion on n.f.l. network or not. in the same way that legal own networks or any of any any owned entity who might not want something like that on their air i always it reminds me at the end of the movie network where ned beatty calls and peter finch writes and he basically says that you are messing with the forces of nature that there's no countries anymore just corporations everybody is owned by a corporation now the question is is how much does the n.f.l. tell us what to say and what not to say you're actually saying it and never not

even in the lockout larry when you would think that it's the nuclear winter and there are billions of dollars on the line the commissioner roger goodell to his credit was e-mailing me saying please remember you can ask me anything you want i will as a reporter who brett farve just comes out so he's having memory lapses are you as a human course concerned about this mess of amount of concussions of the bed for example my kids are athletes right one thousand and thirteen baseball players they love all sports best of all everything i would whether they don't play football and do they play football. they're not going to i don't think you don't think so they played pop warner a little i just didn't well and that's what the league understands from you know again i'm not a spokesman for the league i am an employee of the league but i just know that everybody from the commissioner on down they are there wringing their hands over this thing to make sure that the game is as safe as possible. and the rule changes

that come into play infuriate a lot of the fans because they think that the hits that they grew up on or that they fell in love the. with the game over no longer is allowed in the league just today we had brandon meriweather who was suspended two games because he is a human missile he uses the crown of his helmet to everything he'd hit you right now you know that microphone with the kind of his helmet he's a mess in my mind i tweeted out this guy's a menace he said today after sitting out a one game suspension that right now i guess i got to hit people in the knees and it's just like no no no it's called a strike zone it's from here to the top of your knees it's actually most of the body but if you think about the beauty of football it is of physical game obviously and the hits are something that people do enjoy they do enjoy the physical aspect of it but it's also an incredibly intellectual game as well from an ex is an o. as in the route to g.

and how you read a different scene in hate manning operate and often in a great television game well right it's and they get that something that the league is is is dealing with as well getting people to the games because a lot of folks are sitting at home and enjoying it on their fifty inch high definition screen getting all the replays that's why jerry jones took the world's largest television in put it above the twenty yard lines in his stadium so you get that as well as a lot of action i think what's cool with the giants jaguars books. they're not good the longer. that's right we export the the women's teams well i mean each case is specific obviously the giants did just win two in a row and in the n.f.c. east that's good enough for being two games out of first so they're not they're on of my week right now hoping to get a little healthier and then come back and they actually are in this thing the buccaneers have just been they have been. it has just been snakebit from the very

beginning they had the jets beaten in week one. and then one of their their best defenders live on david david he had already had an interception in the game he shoved geno smith out of bounds late the jets took advantage and won that game and since then the coach has since excommunicated the franchise quarterback he's now in minnesota you saw well that's working out. so it is just like a dark cloud over that team and they're when most and they go to seattle next so they're going to remain such wanted to leave e.s.p.n. well i did it for seven years and sports center to be very honest with you changed it was a different show when i first got there what with when i left i first got there was a twenty six year old in one thousand nine hundred six and sports center was the show of record. and i'm going to show record which it is in many ways today for other sports than football. but it was

a show that folks were tuning in to see what was happening because they hadn't either seen it yet or saw it and wanted to see it again because they hadn't seen it again yet now you've got it on your handhelds now you got it on your computers now you see the school at the bottom line of the ticker on the bottom of the screen so the show went from being. a entertainment to slash information show about the highlights to by the end of my stay everyone was tuning in they just assumed you had already seen it and it was mostly analysts on the show telling you what you saw why you saw it i liked it well the change the role of the of the sports center anchor in my mind and i just i mean i've enjoyed doing it i just didn't want to do it as much and when i was given an option of what to do i chose something else and that it was so are you happy you made this world i

mean i've had the time i live last ten years been incredible but you don't miss not covering baseball hockey no i mean i love i love watching i mean i still watch it i'm allowed to watch it and i love going to it and so i'm still a fan of everything else i just don't talk about it which is fine with me i don't need a press pass to enjoy the sport it's grown so tremendously over the years. it's flowing footballs or what is it what draws us out of this game i think it's just like i said just a game that. mixes the brains and brawn it fits perfectly on the television it's once a week so the casual fan can get interested in it fantasy football is a major reason why the sport has exploded because there are again fans who don't commit to the day. to day involvement of reading about it and talking about it who are still just as fanatic about it because of their fantasy teams so all of that

together. is just created this rating just juggernaut that knock on wood for every single week you have to do play by play just for football for baseball i did for ten games and yes pain and i did baseball and it was the greatest act why i called the dodgers cardinals game on july fourth with rick sutcliffe on e.s.p.n. two when i turn to my left and there's been slowly in the booth next to me and i just i just lost it i would you go up to staten island new york so aaron suburban dodger fans and you know you always want to be a supposed to us yes i did break in i broke in at. k r c r t.v. in redding california i was the a.b.c. affiliate night eleven o'clock sports anchor there and i loved it it was great i always wanted to be on sports center and i sent you know all of my on air repertoire was was here towards all of that and they are me from from reading in

one thousand nine hundred sixty what do you make of the thought sports network c.b.s. sports and b c all of sports networks don't you think they have more play by play to succeed well i think that's what everybody's going for is the rights and and that's what e.s.p.n. has done more than virtually everything any other company in the history of the medium is to just make sure that all of the live events of import are going to be on that's what you try to do on your network because it drives ratings and oddballs to your network are thirteen games that we have on thursday night football in the n.f.l. network is the spine of our network and people can get it well i mean up until last year we were not distributed in new york city and various other countries over time warner cable thank the lord that's finally over. the country. this thursday night reach well we're in seventy three million households as a network and our ratings area our ratings are through the roof right now i

hear from a lot of my friends here in this town who have shows or producers of shows or are executives of networks that are trying to find out what is a good time to launch something other than thursday nights during the fall because like i said just knock on wood our ratings we just got our highest rated game in the read returning to philadelphia a few weeks ago i think folks were rubber necking as much as watching you know to see something going on who needs to answer to who's the boss my lord and savior steve bornstein he was the president long time president of e.s.p.n. and. tell me smart move to todd me twice in one thousand nine hundred sixty s.p.n. and then two thousand and three to launch an i phone network so you were for the owners yes they are my technically have thirty four bosses i guess the thirty two owners the commissioner of the n.f.l. and steve bornstein can i ask your opinion should the redskins change their name you know what larry has. goodell as the limb that well it seems to me that.

that is the way the wind is blowing and i have not had a conversation with mr snyder about this and all while i know you know him well i'm sure you mean you spent his that years in washington d.c. i like him as a guy i just think he's wrong on this one well it just seems that the winds are blowing that way in the change is going to be inevitable on that front the only question is why and that's rich will tell us about his sports dating that damn cool little stay with us. to get it was terrible they are very hard to take a. look at but so long here there's a lot that that that would that make their lives so that.

it was a. little at least. politically a political. live. live. live

live. in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want. with regards that is it is third year of existence the rich guys and podcast recently celebrated its ten million downloads less month he said as everyone from john elway to matt damon and eric stonestreet torched it with the games how to explain that the podcast well i just think there's a mention about how the n.f.l. is d.v.r. proof that's what a lot of folks are looking for obviously in our industry the other aspect is on demand is to have content that you create that people watch whenever they want it or listen to it whenever they want it and the podcast is perfect for that and also

the format we could just go i mean i do my thursday night kickoff anchoring and sunday morning game day morning studios job there i have a producer in my ear saying get it to michael irvin get it to warren sapp you only have three minutes left throat a break and i pod cast i talk about whatever i want to talk about for as long as i want i mean part of what you've done for a living what you do for a living the people i mean your skin your green room the photographs of the people you have spoken to the people you have met they did a of the question i made the right you know and so this format allows me to i don't talk about before three bronze de france i talk about the right life or things that are of interest to me bryan cranston comes on and i mean i talked with a little bit of football with him but i want to know what your process about being walter white when you get a breaking bad script what is that like and because the n.f.l. is part of the pop culture tapestry i mean vaal most watched t.v. event all year long larry is stopped for a rock concert in the middle i mean it is

a pop culture vent so it works in my mind to put it all together and that's what i love about the pop cap upon what is free agent the free agent is an app that i. part of and co-created in this world. of dating apps there's dating apps for all different people in all different interests but not for sports fans that i've seen so you want to introduce single male sports fans to single females or whomever they would like to meet you how does it work well you get you download of the genesis of it really was i met my wife in the news room of e.s.p.n. she was a producer i was a sports center i care without sports i would not have met her maybe and my three beautiful e.s.p.n. i guess children in a way in that regard maybe not exist so if there are people out there who want to meet through sports what's the best way to do this also if you're somebody like me

barry didn't with kids and you're traveling and you want to know where is the best place to watch a game of that's specific to your team you can find other like minded friends in the area second windows is another aspect to our world now people are watching football or watching baseball with a computer open on twitter or something this is another way to do that chat we we have a free agent here ok sounds perfect talent to produce a lease of philips as it went about lease ok you know tommy burns to is should have been a guy at least there is a sports freak he's in all the fantasy league. now what the reading is for you i mean what's your what's your favorite sport who big football and college basketball coach k. you what your team giants and ok so you get the you put in giants you put in syracuse you have to type it because you know obviously i don't i don't own the names. and then suddenly you hit the button and you find out who are giants and or syracuse fans or maybe the perfect match. within your area who's geographically

sound and sports centric and you are in your cross section of life do you just start to hang out like i am in a chat and just like hey it's like i am right and you start chatting and saying what are you what are you like and then of course you must to get a photograph as he when he could find a possible die. a nice thirty five year old good looking single guy that's who's up for the rules for the new york giant football team the syracuse best of all game of yankee baseball correct and it's all because when you when you first create your profile on the app you put in your favorite sports and you type in your favorite sports teams names and even your favorite players names and all that information is compiled and then the technology matches you how do i get i love that idea even my fair players yes absolutely tina martina i don't i don't know i don't know if you will ever find somebody that's going to i mean you know was popular you know back in the day you could although it is an idea partners with a fellow named alexander ali who runs the p.r.

and also a management firm here in los angeles you put it together is it is and i got involved in this nike is involved in a small way on thursdays during the season to coincide with thursday night football in the events section because there's also that you can find out what sporting events are going on eventually when this thing grows up maybe there will be free agent events where mixers and things of that nature you know free pair of nike gear is given away on thursday i'm told that you chat with users during games and part of the apps you're online you know i'm out there i'm up there it's part of the fun you know second windows that's on his own wife still in production my wife spent the other with reducing baby she's. she she is indeed a producer she's we've got a couple of shows actually together in development she's got movies that she's making called hudson productions incorporated her shoot her name susie schuster she was a reporter on a.b.c. and t.n.t. and e.s.p.n.

and her life as a sideline reporter we put it together at a sit com i'm sitting at t.b.s. right now we're knocking on wood for that ranch shelton's part of the two oh really is the man so are you like us off camera stuff to do i'm just trying to. trying to do what i can do i can do it you know i just love all aspects of this business that fortunate to be part of lisa good luck thank you very much thank you dr let's look at what some are from tina months now ok look forward to a sports personality in the n.f.l. network that was your title there do you have a title gets host home i'm a host of n.f.l. meet me here hosts the n.f.l. that will i will add that to my business card stat danger and before we play a little game if you only knew for sure in a danger in fantasy football people join leagues computers where they put up money but i'm told that the new york giants brandon jacobs recently came out a death threat he did on twitter because he negatively affected so much fantasy

team while he was going on he he was injured and didn't play and i think somebody tweeted him saying if you don't play and you don't perform tonight i'm going to get it it's curtains for you and your family so what's going on with fantasy football you know what it's extremely popular popular and that's that's to say call it an outlier is is an understatement i mean most virtually ninety nine point nine percent of everybody has a blast and it's just really prideful i mean i play into fantasy leagues larry and it means so much to me i have to win they just certainly only quarterbacks receivers and running but you know in time ends defense and special teams is one category killer tackles and guards and now you know i like this now well there's a defensive category so if your defense gives up a certain amount of yards you lose points if it's over a circle i was sitting next to a guy did the game now and he was he was going paralytic at the ninth inning the play in cincinnati and he was this guy in cincinnati they hit a home run but he's

a dodger fan oh well fantasy got a great fall in strange bedfellows you know i mean just the other day i tweeted out zander bogart's of of the wide socks is twenty one year old kid who was beyond his years right now i picked him up. but in a fantasy baseball league that i mean with keith olbermann by the way which is tried beating him in fantasy football fan is a baseball also fantasy football i played with him one year he won that too is very good long story short i tweeted out and people on twitter know i'm a yankee fan they're like you have a problem with that i don't like fantasy knows no such boundaries so you going to root for both of us together hey we want to see hundred forget the yankees are mean it's a different story you think you just got to check it out i mean in june yes if it's october oh of course not we find your power again i'll get odds on i tunes or you go to get free agent don to go free agents go free agent you bet we play a game of you only knew all just stories actually remember the first girl you kissed yes i do always her name was becky allman becky element was staten island

yes or great will leave them out in her eyes how old were you. sixteen sixteen and i was about six they believe we were if you'll ever know what have a mare oh she's a sweet ran into a few years ago she was our favorite sports team rowing up yankees and the were i cried my eyes out when they lost to the big red machine in seventy six. in the eighty one world series when i knew reggie jackson was going to leave via free agency to be traded away again it was devastating to me they were to lose a kid reggie reggie jackson if you were in a sports protest what would you be i never really gave you stand up comic me do i did that in college super bowl predictions i'm going to go with my preseason because they're still in the running i'm going to go with denver and san francisco you know the cincinnati and seattle walk tell you what that's not looking too

shabby at all cincinnati is getting stronger in seattle in my mind is the best team in football right now and b.b. candidates m.v.p. candidate peyton manning i mean it's the end of the story you take a look across the spectrum. and manning is numbers are worthy of a. tom brady is really the m.v.p. of the n.f.l. in my mind you take him like it well just to talk about this it's just in any sport this is the part of the conversation always have when it's m.v.p. my philosophy is you choose the m.v.p. by removing that player from the team and seeing what the team looks like without that smile that is you know it is the numbers if there are other players in the in the old days if you removed ernie banks from the cubs they to play double a are exactly and this and it was a very planned this year what tom brady means to new england and he's not even adding a great statistical here there's six and two right now and used to look at them and you're look for the smoke and you look for the mirrors and each time you see tom brady he's the m.v.p.

to me the other hidden talent we don't know about risk. is comedy would be i guess i guess in that regard but you know i try to blend in with what i do but other than that i just really just a i'm a dad and a husband and a host that's what they've heard and of hughie's my favorite interview in the n.f.l. that i've had is matt hasselbeck he is the best start he is he's got a huge career ahead of him when he chooses to take it my podcast present company. good good good you're a great guest or great guest i've interviewed will ferrell steven soderbergh is has been my resident super bowl media expert he watches only three games and watches the broadcast takes notes copiously and then comes back and and he breaks it down but without a question larry david has been my favorite guest on my podcast he's been on i believe four times and this past year him talking about how he swears he could

be a successful often sieve and defensive coordinator in the national football league looks you directly in the eye and believes it to its core a yankee left out loud yet began to thanks rich lowry thank you for having me a lot of things why does the n.f.l. networks were just. and you can find his weekly podcast the rich eyes and podcast on n.f.l. dot com and i tunes and they should have download his new free agent it's on your i for all that i pad today and remember you can find me at kings things on twitter see you next time. well for the. science technology innovation all the system elements from

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just to let. today's by. that. what's up people all those i'm not even in this is breaking in the set all veterans day came and went last week day full of empty gestures and baseless rhetoric of course the main unaddressed concern during all the pageantry was the dire state of american veterans today you see just days after the holiday a shocking new report revealed that almost one million servicemen and women have been injured in iraq and afghanistan that's right one million women soldiers have visited v.a. hospitals and the start of these wars compare that to the vietnam war despite the draft the number of wounded warriors totaled just over three hundred thousand and one million might sound extreme what's more disturbing is that it may even be more

you see as of march the department of veterans affairs actually stopped publishing their statistics on injured veterans why or according to report by international business times the v.a. cited reasons of bashful security so on top of the already and adequate health care for vets now are being censored from the eye opening it's up to six of the true reality of the war on terror not being able to see the truth prevents us from understanding why there's been such an exponential growth and wartime injuries and vietnam so if you want the v.a. to explain this trend to them join me and let's break the set. the please please a really very hard to take a. look at you ever had sex with her hair.

and the age of citizen journalism history is no longer written by the victors it happens in real time through photos videos and blogging but with such little financial support for alternative media it's hard to survive as a full time documentary activist or one photographer is trying to do just that through internet crowdsourcing his activism covered everything from occupy wall street to turkey's uprising and tells her story through provocative imagery now she's funny in a photo book through indie go go and is already raised over ten thousand dollars china pope joins me now to talk about her work and her activism thanks and i'm

going to have you on you started your activism during the two thousand and one uprising against governor scott walker what was it about this particular event that galvanize you to take action at that point i had never been involved political activism but that became personal to me. one of the groups of people that were attacked by governor walker's budget repair bill was teachers and my mother and my sister were teachers at the time so it became personal to me and that's what initially brought me out but after spending time at the capitol and learning about other people's stories and why they were involved. i realized it was a much bigger much bigger deal than i originally realized. and since then i've i've stayed active some incredible photos there just really catching those moments right in the courthouse there have you always been a photographer and if not what compelled you to use this medium to display your activism yeah i've always been interested in photography before i got involved in

activism i was actually being paid photo shoots senior portraits weddings and then once i got involved in activism i realized that that was the way that i can contribute towards activism and towards creating a better world. and just for people's reference all your photos are. in the cube right there for people to take a look at using social media has redefined activism and journalism. it's redefined in a very big way. i mean before the internet for social media. the only way that people got their information was through the news even at that point you know they can only wait until the nightly news came on or into the newspaper came out the next day now people can get real time updates photos videos tweets all that kind of stuff from all different people all around the world in real time so i think it's definitely revolutionized. the way that activists and protests are around now and giving those people on the ground really

a voice that they never had before let's talk about occupy wall street i know that you were you were in from the beginning and you followed the movement one year anniversary how did your experience with the movement change you as a person and a photographer. well actually the first time i went out to occupy wall street i was still living in wisconsin at the time and that was the first time i really went to an event specifically to cover it through photography before that i was involved in a different way when i was in wisconsin but i realized you know i'm a photographer i take photos a lot of the people that i met wisconsin a network i built up of activists in wisconsin kept talking about how. they weren't sure if and the info that they were getting was correct or not and so myself and one of my friends was a videographer and we decided to go out there's a team so that's kind of where my transition from just being an activist to also being documentary photographer that's kind of where it began so that was actually a big step for me also and filling the void as a documentarian and really getting those stories heard let's look at your most

famous some your most famous photos a group of riot police during the two thousand and twelve tampa bay are in. a really powerful shot right there what were you trying to capture and why do you think this photo resonated so strongly with the public the size of a look at a storm troopers basically what happened with this photo is there was a march of a few hundred people and it was actually a march against poverty and homelessness so it was a march led by. you know either homeless or privileged people there are a lot of women and children they had their strollers and their kids and their you know with them to show effects not only adults but also children. and so i was photographing them as they were marching down the street it was permitted march and also i looked behind me and there was an intersection just filled with riot police and that shocked me even though i've seen a lot of similar situations before it shocked me that they had that many. police officers in riot gear that looked as intimidating as that for this small march of.

you know women children activists unbelievably hot firemen yes actually i had actually run up ahead of the march at that point and i wanted to get just the. police standing there so at that point i was taking some photos i was waiting for the march to get there. so yeah the photo it's gone pretty viral since that was the end of august i believe and it's. what they're wearing when you explain the context of this let's talk about turkey i mean you went there you fall of the. what did you learn during your time there and did you find a common thread throughout your travels of all these uprisings of kind of how the people were feeling and thinking you know there's definitely a common thread i mean all across the board everywhere i've gone. you know the people they're not fighting for anything that that you know is a big deal you know they're looking for you know social equality. social

justice you know they don't want everybody to be treated fairly they don't want there to be such a large wealth gap you know when the people who have millions and millions if not billions of dollars well there's other people who are working constantly around the clock just to try to feed their family and they're barely getting by even though they're working very hard that doesn't make sense things should be so a lot of people are just fighting for very small things that should be human rights but at this point they're not being treated as that. you know foreign to what we go through on a bigger level smaller level we can all relate to that one human family here you put yourself in a lot of dangerous situations you know pepper balls rubber bullets. what was kind of the most scary moment for you in about thirty seconds the scariest moment was when i was in turkey. eleventh and up until that point when i was there there were no police in the area that they actually had left because there were so

many protesters and the resistance was so large but they came back in to take over tex and square in the morning of june eleventh and it was just a very chaotic scene people were all over the place the people around the water cannons tear gas everywhere and there was a point where i was photographing people being sprayed with a water cannon and the police then turned it on myself and some other people who are all day we're all journalists we're all taking photos or video and they turned it on us and at the right before that they had thrown tear gas directly behind us so i was basically happy and yeah so i was sprayed down pushed into a cloud of tear gas. i was unable to see. very frightening but i was about to be there to capture it amazing amazing incredible photos everyone go check it out jenna pople it's fun this book and you go go thank you so much for your time thanks .

america land of the free home of the brave you see for the moment you're born to the moment you die there's one thing bright in the mind of every american this country is bigger it's better and if people don't like it they can get the hell out see it all boils down to one thing america is exceptional guess what we are at least when it comes to being bigger let's be honest guys america's fat is hell with thirty five percent of the population officially classified as obese and if you don't believe me you probably never been to the old country buffet feeding trough for people of walmart dot com while the us has held the number one heavyweight title among populous nations for several years mexico is close to tying so we don't folks because we keep that top spot secured to be fair in hayling calories isn't the only thing we're good at we're also pretty bad ass polluters so not only is the us a leader in energy consumption but as of this year we're also number one waste

forbes reported a whopping fifty seven percent of energy in the u.s. whether it be from oil or natural gas is wasted annually was a pretty damn good at locking people up in cages that's why when it comes to mass incarceration the us imprisons more people per capita than any other country in the world it's actually appalling that the us holds only five percent of the world's population yet has one hundred five percent of its prisoners in a related category while the us fights a global war on drugs americans also consume eighty percent of the world's opiate pain killers and don't forget where the opium comes from a place in the us been occupying for over a decade i have ghana stand which brings me to the category america is probably most notorious for or as the military machine drives the us economy so we are the global leader in military spending going taxpayers throw more money into national defense than the next thirteen industrialized countries can buy. and not

only that but our perpetual war economy also guarantees that the us is the top supplier of weapons to foreign countries. and being children of the empire might have something to do with america's gun culture so the gun rate is eighty eight per one hundred people far surpassing any other country just put that into context number two country and guns per capita is yemen with fifty five guns per one hundred people see guys we can back up the claim to exceptionalism just in the worst of ways which is a shame considering that we're also the wealthiest country in the world in terms of g.d.p. see in the categories of the us should be number one or not this year the us ranked sixteenth in the literacy in the industrialized world twenty seventh in life expectancy for all countries sixty ninth an infant mortality twenty seven the median household income and sixty first and protecting the environment so if you

want to be a gun totting tell you what all of that energy waste and pill popping fat ass and come to america because here well that just makes you exceptional. next on breaking a set my interview with musician an activist you know one of the said. i think. that you know the price is the only industry specifically mention in the constitution and. that's because a free and open press is critical to our democracy. well. in fact the single biggest threat facing our nation today is the corporate takeover of our government and our press. we've been hijacked by handful of transnational corporations that will profit by destroying what our founding fathers once built my job market and i'm the. show we reveal the big picture of what's actually going on

in the world we go beyond identifying the problem trying rational debate and a real discussion of critical issues facing america by the book ready to join the movement then walk a little bit harder. i am the president and a society that case i think corporation kind of convinced that to whom can do and the banks are trying to put all that money all about money and i'm a nationally fit for a politician writing the laws and regulations to attack bankers coming up. there is just too much rat today's diet. that. whether it's the worry of ostracizing fans or a losing financial backing from record labels most popular musicians can't call

themselves political activists however one artist known simply as moby has taken on a multitude of political causes during his decades long electronic music career in the fight for net neutrality to supporting chelsea manning the six time grammy award nominee has been on the front lines of the fight for more harmonious and lighten the world and join me or to break down his music and activism i first asked him what he thinks is the biggest failure of the corporate music industry i think one of the biggest failings is that the music business and record companies have treated listeners terribly for a long time you know like over charging for c.d.'s in the era of c.d.'s. punishing people for downloading music and. basically trying to make people feel guilty for listening to music and i just think it's created a very sort of strange and very unhealthy climate around the release of music you've also stood up to the recording industry association of america and even called for the group to be disbanded in two thousand and nine for its two million

dollar lawsuit against a mother who illegally downloaded music what prompted you to go after the r i a a well. i mean the whole reason i make music and maybe i'm stating the obvious is because i love making music and i love the idea of people listening to the music that i've made the idea of punishing the audience even if they're downloading music illegally i don't think an audience should be punished nor should like the are i a take litigious action against soccer moms you know who are just downloading music because they want to listen to it and. i don't know it's i mean it's seems very self evident to me that if you're trying to sort of like generate goodwill. suing the people who are ultimately patronizing your business is not the best way to go about that let's talk about your new album innocence why did you choose that name and how is it different from your previous work well the name and the sense

boy i'm going to try and like not give a long winded self-involved grad student answer because i'm really good at long winded self-involved grad student answers but basically when i was in college i was a philosophy major and i just been obsessed with this simple question like what does it mean to be human and the universe that's fifteen billion years old like what what significance to our lives have. meaning to our lives have and when i look at our collective response to the human condition i see a lot of confusion a lot of fear a lot of sadness and in a strange way a lot of innocence because the truth is none of us really know what we're doing you know we might put on a brave face when we go out in public but at the end of the day we all get old we all die we're all confused and i feel like collectively even though at times we're not necessarily doing the best things we still have

a quality of innocence to us and that's what the title of the album comes from and also this is really fascinating you're also on a board member here a board member for the institute for music and neurological function which studies the effects of music on the brain and talk about this what have you learned as part of that organization and how can the music be used in therapeutic ways well it's funny because i've dedicated my life to making music and but honestly i was taught music was something i loved and it was really fun but i never thought it actually had anything beyond a very sort of frivolous utility and that dr oliver sacks and dr connie to may know are two amazing. brain neuro scientists and they started this institute for music a neurological function what they've seen is that music is a remarkably powerful healing modality. i mean when i talk about the sort of the healing affects of music it almost sounds like i'm indulging in hyperbole but it's truly miraculous like people who are of faith who've had strokes when they listen

to their feet favorite music from childhood even if they've lost the ability to walk or speak they can still dance and sing and i know that sounds like the most absurd claim but dr sacks and dr tomato have documented this and they're going before congress to try to get more funding for music therapy because it really is phenomenal healing the only problem is it's hard to make money from it so clearly the pharmaceutical companies aren't too thrilled about a nonprofit powerful healing modalities i know that you testified in front of congress in two thousand and six about net neutrality when you get out there and testify about the music therapy. hopefully soon i mean the funny thing about talking about music therapy is you don't have to convince anyone of its power all you have to do is say like ask anyone how they respond to their favorite song you know like if you even right now think of your favorite song you could almost feel like a physiological and neurochemical change and the truth is like it's

a real change like and it promotes healing and it decreases stress hormones like norepinephrine and adrenaline and cortisol so i mean in the future i think people will look at music not just as something fun but that is a really really powerful healing modalities yes also revolutionary tool which is such a travesty that it's the first thing really from public education as music and arts i mean it is really unfortunate i mention that you did testify in front of congress about any child it let's talk about that what did you tell then back then and are you worried about the current circuit court lawsuit that could entirely abolish the concept yeah i mean i i guess. it's a little bit confused because. in two thousand and six and now the internet seems to be working fine the way it is and i don't understand the idea of to an extent in very broad terms privatizing the internet when it's this fantastic egalitarian

granted chaotic but democratic institution that serves everybody equally and so when you have these like big corporations who want to get involved and sort of try to monetize it and prior and privatized it i just don't understand why they would mess around with something that works so flawlessly the way it is how much do you think the music industry is a part of that push i mean we know that sopa was obviously trying to implement a lot of seizure on that your quality as well. yeah i mean i'm in some ways i'm the wrong person to ask because i love what i referred to as like the democratic chaos of the internet you know i love the fact that it is strangely self-regulating it kind of polices itself and i've also been a lifelong member of the a.c.l.u. so i'm just a huge proponent of the free and uninhibited dissemination of information. yeah i love that about the i mean the the militant egalitarian method that the internet started out as and unfortunately we're going to go by the wayside it's really

important that we cement that notion quick let's talk about another thing that they say they use a really big on bradley manning chelsea manning rather you were also part of the i am chelsea manning video a few months back why is this case so important to you. well it's important to me and and i certainly i mean it's a tricky thing to talk about because there is i mean what do i know i'm a musician i live in l.a. so if i worked for the n.s.a. or had worked for the n.s.a. i might have a different perspective but it seems like sometimes governments including our own are interested. in restricting information because it is actually sensitive and to disseminate it would be compromising but other times people almost restrict governments restrict information either because it's embarrassing or it's just a kneejerk reaction you know this feeling like like it's their job to restrict access to information and that's why i thought the bradley chelsea manning case was

so important because he was sort of drawing attention to the arbitrary seemingly arbitrary way in which the government was trying to restrict access to a stand simply classified information right it's also a crime to overclassify we see things just being classified for the sake of classified and then of course we know that no one actually was hurt by the release of those documents what are your thoughts on other whistleblowers in the public spotlight spotlight sorry right now like edward snowden. again it's tricky because everything i say has to be qualified with sort of like the coffee out that i am a college dropout and i make music and i live in l.a. so my opinions are vaguely informed at best but i mean i'm just a fan of openness and i can't think of too many instances where erring on the side of openness has done harm in fact quite the opposite you know we live in a culture where it's becoming increasingly difficult for anyone to restrict access

to information which personally i think is great you know i'd much rather have a few instances where potentially sensitive information is released but as a result you have like so much information that's a public benefit is released as well and you know you keep saying they are your opinions are you know vaguely informed at best you can be shocked at how uninformed americans are i think it's very important to voice your opinion when you wield a lot of influence in this industry and it's unfortunate that others don't why do you think that not other musicians you know entertainment people celebrities seek out about these issues. i think probably because they're getting much better advice than i am. because what i've found is like by being an opinionated loudmouths as i am i do oftentimes run the risk of alienating a lot of people so i think that a lot of musicians actors whomever are getting good management career advice and

you know their managers their agents are saying oh keep your opinions to yourself because you'll sell more records i unfortunately never got that advice and i was raised by progressive hippies who told me that if you have the ability to to i don't know reach people and communicate you might as well try and say something that has i don't know some value or some merit to it or at least try to do so i agree with your parents let's talk about veganism your whole so you can even read this the book of essays critiquing the modern meat industry what led you to the decision to practice the organism and what are your biggest frustrations right now with factory farms. well. i mean i've been a vegan now for twenty six years and an animal rights activist for about thirty years and what informs my vegan is i'm an animal rights activism is pretty simple like i love animals and i don't want to be involved in any process that contributes to their suffering and you know i mean i guess look at objectively

death is inevitable but suffering isn't you know and i think that we have the ability to treat other creatures with respect and dignity and ameliorate their suffering and i just wonder why we don't make more of an effort to do so why why collectively we're comfortable with contributing to the suffering of literally tens of billions of creatures who are all incredibly sensitive and you know i think it was either albert schweitzer or einstein said you know that the question isn't do animals have an intellectual life the question is do they have an emotional life in any one. ever been around animals knows full well that animals have incredibly profound emotional lives are incredibly sensitive and i just feel like it's incumbent upon me and hopefully the rest of us to sort of like decrease the amount of suffering we cause while we're alive right and we're so detached from the food that we now i think if people really saw the suffering then they would be absolutely horrified. i mean the food industry has so much autonomy so

much political influence i mean just look at monsanto alone how can we ensure that the food we're eating is safe and not destructive the environment doesn't contribute to the suffering of creatures. well one thing when we put out the book gristle which is about factory farming. i was asked a question like what could we do what one thing could we do that would sort of i don't know make factory farming either go away or become a lot better and one thing would be and subsidies to meat production because meat production and i'm not even saying people shouldn't eat meat but i'm just saying like the production of meat it decimates the animals it decimates the workers it decimates the communities and the end result is a product that causes diabetes arteriosclerosis heart disease obesity etc so just and all subsidies to it and let me actually cost what it should cost because the truth is without government subsidies

a pound of hamburger would cost around thirty dollars and i have a feeling if you just let me cost what it should cost all of a sudden you see people eating a lot less meat very well put totally agree thank you so much for your input on not in so much more moby artist activist really appreciate you coming into the studio oh it's my pleasure is really nice talking with you thanks so much. that's the first show you guys.

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