tv Cross Talk RT September 25, 2017 7:29am-8:01am EDT
looks like the only foreign supported here is israel while israel rejects terror in any form it supports the legitimate efforts of the kurdish people to attain a state of it so the kurds are very likely to vote yes nearly ninety nine percent back in two thousand and five during an unofficial vote but will this change anything for them iraq says it won't recognize the results turkey and iran are threatening sanctions in case of independence and even the kurdish leadership admits there might be war. we will face border problems in the near future and i definitely think that there will be in the other war and soon. while the outcome of the vote is pretty clear the consequences might be unpredictable. the very latest news views on reaction to the twenty seven doing german federal election again the top of the hour to join me that.
below and welcome to cross talk or all things considered i'm peter. trumpet morphs into a neo-con well that didn't take long also the world disorder after the united nations general assembly speeches and why does morgan freeman hate russia so much. talking real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have victor all of which he is a political analyst as well as a leading expert at the center for actual politics and we have dimitri bobbitt she is a political analyst with sputnik international right gentlemen as always crosstalk
rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it mark let me go to you first here. i still think the afterglow of president trump speech at the united nations has meaning because what we've seen over the last few days are all the tricks ok the rocket man thing very undiplomatic it's not under international law illegal speech. but it's a compromise of who's running american foreign policy i would point out that you've been saying this from the very very beginning but it really looks like you know we just have the continuation of bush's foreign policy of obama's foreign policy and as i have said for years on this program it's the genetic code foreign policy of the united states it doesn't matter who's in white house. no. ok first of all trump speaking at the united nations general assembly it is this once a year of events where heads of state frequently come it's very interesting who came and who didn't go we didn't see president putin we didn't see prime minister
modi we didn't see the president of china we didn't see angela merkel what we saw are those are who are new to the stage and i like to think of this is a coming out party for world statesmen this is where their cherries are popped on the world stage so trump was there the french president the prime minister of the u.k. may this being their first rodeo they were there. and trump failed spectacularly in terms of content in terms of what we expect from a statesman but delivered on what we actually expect from him which is entertaining about. his wardrobe i worry that you'll hate but i think you know you saw that in the mainstream media but in a very different way here because there there was low expectations i mean again this is how trump succeeds because he has a they deem that he can't do it and then he delivers what he does i mean it was
a campaign speech well ok it was not his for it was. directed mostly at home and not at the international community well i would say it was unprecedented because never in human history since the hitler did a head of state threaten to actually destroy another country oh that's not true they was threatening north korea on their island yeah he used to be in language by keeping all options on the table of course it was a threat of war but usually the statement say it will teach them about us and we will get all the know it and say this is this is what i'm saying here and this is what i'm saying here is that kind of agreeing with both of you at the same time i mean the presentation is one issue ok and it was very trump ask as we would expect here but there is a continuity here just because you're using different words doesn't mean the meaning isn't the same absolutely but still i will get my group that the united nations charter specifically prohibits not just awards but also a threat of war
a threat to what is a crime by the by united nations so we are saying sions neither one of them it's not ok well it's just kind of brings me to a bigger kind of brings me back to an issue that is really important to me is that we've said repeatedly on this program on overriding of topics the issue of international law the demon is brought up you never ever see that in western media that's never brought up as a matter fact on the judge jeanine program on fox i mean than they did some box pops down the streets and just whipping up war whipping up war warmongering scaremongering and it just wall to wall and it's a feel good experience here and that's what i find very disturbing is that republican democrat progressive liberal whatever you still get the same policy look there is actually some version or some logic behind what the with his inappropriate and frankly grotesque speech in front of the united nations general assembly and
the logic is this remember how the league of nations. stopped you know how it ended up being us and this is what the united states wants for the united nations and here's what it's for the united nations since the end of the cold us to rubberstamp because they're at the united nations since their existence since actually it was founded during world war two it was nice to know. because you've been one hundred forty two and then found it in the last stages so here in the west these world war two to two minute thirty and to preserve the post were peace between the new superpowers and the wind the cold war ended in one thousand eight hundred nine one thousand nine hundred one the united states becoming the sole superpower and assuming great sizzix you know this one. world policeman we can say yes religious me think it was a privilege ok exactly and now they feel it and then they felt it would be will be
for ever it will be it will last forever just as many empires think and it never happens nothing is forever in the world history and the united nations for them became some think of we you know something that prohibited them from anything here and there in the here yes it did and they couldn't get the united nations to allow them to approve their war in iraq they couldn't get the united nations to approve their other military adventures in the chaos and remember and but let's remember george bush jr he wanted he also wanted. to hamper the workings of the united nations john bolton who loved who all of stump speech he was actually the us ambassador to get into the you know the issues during george bush jr's to him in the white house so this is a six so why does tump go to the united nations and deliver this.
aggressive extremely aggressive speech where he actually has a team of south. you know invokes the u.s. right to completely destroy you know it's pretty and talks about that israel and these other countries because he wants to show that international law protects the powerful ok well that's what that's what i've said i said do you really appreciate the fact that the u.s. president mention the word sovereignty so many times but it was only sovereignty for some countries and not others gentlemen we got a lot of to cover here i want to go to an actor that we all know and maybe still love maybe don't want to look at morgan freeman he's part of a new organization called the committee to investigate russia i want to take a look at this clip here let's roll it. oh it's god we know. we are. imagine this movie script of former k.g.b. spy angry at the collapse of his motherland plus of course for rebuilding.
whoa well mark i didn't know that this actor was an expert on international ations and specifically russia i guess i missed that yeah well i mean this was a great movie script up until the point where he says it's not a movie script this is a crude. juvenile manichean piece of propaganda that really should embarrass not only what is their image you know a lot of yourself to be like this but those who produced it and it has to be said even the liberal western press in moscow no friend to the russian government whatsoever was embarrassed and was. criticizing this. piece takes the usual suspects we have max boot we have james clapper. perjurer in . one of the and david frum probably the he probably is the.
reigning prince of never getting everything anything right don't forget the russian foreign policy experts who directed it. you may know him for also directing when harry met sally rob reiner because. although i will date myself everyone will know when i called him meathead all in the family and i think that was probably the last good thing he ever did but anyway what was your reaction to the great going to remain the as a losing his comical tale and because you say as he should you know i think address and tell him right in the eye and then he says something usually i would say stop telling me that i want to stop telling me that i want almost a but you know picture that would make a very we're going to see me looking at this and he's he's a great actor ok i don't i don't even really think he understands what he's saying . this is an act of desperation this is what this is is to keep this narrative this
hoax narrative this conspiracy narrative alive they have to get you know an icon can put it on you're exactly correct when you list the people who are on that committee to investigate who actually tells you everything about how this. was recorded how it happened you know i would as is well know has. been intertwined with the interests of those seventy and u.s. intelligence agencies that we talk so much but i do know that with seventy. maybe they're going to be twenty five by next year to have to run with. how does this happen. you know somebody like morgan freeman and rob reiner get calls from friends of those seventy and agencies and they're told you know. as you well know is huge as you heard on c.n.n. yes and we really do you really need to appreciate your assistance could you please
and of course we see you know all. so they of course they will oblige and this is what we this is that is what i understand mark is that when they when this went public i mean they were. just able to comment section and then the if you look at the likes and dislikes the dislikes overwhelmingly. number of the ones that people did like it's i mean the fact that they didn't want any comments tells you every day don't want to discussion they just want to one way monolog to continue to convince people i have to say when we look at north korea i mention this judge jeanine program on fox news it works the media does does is able to convince people to follow their narrative going to have to go to a short break and after that short rick will continue our discussion on real news stay with us.
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a very interesting phenomenon but i think all already it is deemed a failure go ahead yeah i think it is a fact that it didn't even get support from its own echo chamber and there was a degree of embarrassment with it we have to look at i mean take a just take a look at the short role list of who are the directors the board of directors the advisors with when you practice there is no one who speaks russian there's no one who is an expert on russia in any way there is no one who is an expert in cyber or security policy. and there's no real security experts whatsoever on this committee to investigate russia's own website you know it within a week of launching they. had this profile of the rain from this russian equal into of the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff grass moss and they there's all these references media to a gerasim of dr and hybrid warfare which is
a complete propaganda because it completely usually neglects the fact that some off what specifically replying to what us military policy of unconventional warfare part of a military man you know already is and that russia must respond. but this committee to protect journalists they put up a picture of talking about the ground small truck and it's not even grass of things that even has no user interaction chairman of the joint chiefs of staff it's someone else's picture so real good investigation of russia and of the heroes they docked above a guard of doctrine named after the marshal agarkar a very unpleasant things have been got to die so they didn't want ninety four so they quit long to talk about it so they invented this good arsenal doctrine and i like the headline on the. opinion page you know that. they don't are all dead the problem with the gospel doctrine is that it doesn't exist but i can
tell you that this is the problem with many doctrines which the western media describes brezhnev never knew with doctrine. there must have been kind of happy about it i mean the russians never used this war then maybe consider vented saying the russians invented it actually the western press misuses the security term warfare in a completely not possible especially if i know that is. just coming to morgan freeman you know the problem is that he's talking about terrible thinks about it in such a peaceful reassuring way i thought that the and then when he would say so peace still plotting to bomb. could anybody the dr strange that it wanted to ask him. to leave or to. and there is actually talking about that there is a doctor and that is in effect and it was shown to be ineffective in terms of stem on an old doctrine that actually said was that america and south america subservient to the united states and there would be. well yes the united states
permanently ataris to civilize them but no i want you to know i'm not i'm glad you brought this up picture because like trump disparagement of socialism which i know mark i mean from a american perspective only until the advent of bernie sanders that you could actually use that word in public i mean it was for bowden and then we have the president of united states to the podium at the general assembly disparaging social thinking the socialists are sitting in the hall nobody hundreds of millions of people call themselves that which was all around the world so it's not very generalized i mean it was not a dirty word portugais they were just again it just showed that kind of no centrism that they're. going to put this speech was you know the background to the speech was an attempt by the united states to kind of the majority of the members of the united nations who signed a statement that including that included the passage that they wanted to change so
they beat the powers security council members so he speech his speech and all these attacks they were purposeful they were meant to get in my eyes the united nations as we know it you know you'll be ok experience on the brink of ironies i gather samantha power which if you wasn't asking. she was calling for the change of the veto in the security council and if you look at the or and i know we'll get the literary origins from demon in second but you know if you look at the origins of that is that the veto power has proven that it does work it works extremely well but maybe the only thing that works extremely well with the you know. very it isn't . great nuclear armed powers in the world so the un has a very specific narrow and that's right that's what the un the un security council is for and thus far it's worked and the veto. veto suggested by the russian
foreign minister of fame the russian foreign minister at the time oh i thought. the veto has prevented that i mean prevented nuclear war from journalistically what the wait times doesn't look let's change gears here this whole story about facebook so we have morgan freeman that was a don't know the facebook thing. again grappling and strong let's get stronger i mean i don't know the the facebook from their ads the twenty seven billion dollars a year and then of found one hundred thousand that were purchased by some thousand dollars potentially related to this country or individuals in this country to let you know what's in willing to try and now they're looking at the post soviet space which again who's doing this doesn't understand the geopolitical changes happen in the last twenty five years here i get another wild goose chase well i like the comment of one of my facebook rants about this year old it's amazing what one
hundred thousand dollars can buy to put on the i want to be so we can buy american presidency but actually the way that american press and the way some of the poll is lamenting the growing influence of facebook is just pathetic because it tells us the truth about what was going on just recently let me quote from someone to polish article in the new york times during the cold war most americans receive their news and information to be unmediated platforms reporters and then it does serve in the role of professional gatekeepers and they had almost full control over what appeared in the media so these were the nice dimes when americans when they were doing the keeper and i thought that we had. the free american media which reported all the truth from all over the war no there were a gate and she managed the fact that there are some phrasebook of columns with no gate ok and i could point out to our viewers that r.t. is trashed in that article also generally what the most interesting thing about
about this wild goose chase is it really opens up so many questions here picture well if it is facebook a utility you know is it just a pipe or is it an advocacy group ok and if it's just a pipe then maybe it should be turned into a utility ok like twitter i think twitter should be also and google should be broken up because what we have is a very liberal agenda and they have almost monopoly control in their respective areas right here second of all what about other foreign influence in government in elections ok what about a break that was the us government using facebook probably wouldn't look at look at other elections around the world look at ukraine ok i mean if these people pushing this narrative of facebook in russia they're opening up a hue a huge can of worms that could go all over the place there's an influence peddling everywhere guys all of the time by everyone go ahead look let's go
back to the times of the call the war. you know mid one nine hundred eighty s. if you wanted to listen to voices of american or radio free europe or radio liberty in the soviet union you would have problems because there were actually special stations here jamming there were jamming those broadcasts you know why because at that time the syrian government thought that it could not compete idea that wise in their media market with those. those products made by the u.s. made by europe and its nato allies and so forth so they're on day to day in which to what happens so today in russia. you can listen to see and then you can listen to. me you can listen to do it well you can call this the russians at danger which are more of a rush of them if we had to do was actual program yes on that topic and so on so and so but what's actually happening in the united states why are these attacks not
see once put a new one you know feasible co-sponsored by the by by whoever why are the happening why are these attacks happening now because they make an establishment feels that it cannot sustain the issue of. foreign and different media outlets where they don't turn into full interview because they fear that then miracles are actually more likely to believe whether it's he says what sputnik says you know what people have asked us then then what's in this race but it's also telling from an ideological point of view mark is that western liberalism doesn't want a conversation it doesn't want to have a debate it doesn't want to have an argument because it doesn't have any arguments any more you disagree then you're trashed then you're discredited you're labelled the usual ones that's not how of open market ideas works and victor is absolutely
right that they want to keep there they want to be the good gatekeepers again yeah there's two really disturbing things about this story and it is a manufactured story first one is the way it's being reported because what they're actually talking about here when you look into the details of something that occurred in by a russian. whatever in which they don't provide any details in two thousand and fifteen it had nothing to do with the election the nothing to do with hillary nothing to do with trump and referred to simply that they were talking about issues such as l g b t and other issues in an attempt on two of her means the breeze. divisiveness like there isn't already enough device it has to get there i like i need a facebook ad to have me disagree with obama on transvestite policy using little girls about their diet but the other disturbing thing is the ideological factor that is being pushed through facebook there's no question that zuckerberg is
a curate. pure liberal he has a very specific intense it's discussed about running for president he's midwestern states and talking about he's no longer an atheist and how great ethanol is so i mean i'm going to. do ok to do what you can what is not yours is but i question if. we could all be driven out of facebook because he talks about misuse of facebook well who who uses does the pentagon their social media manipulation programs the pentagon sockpuppet army did they do somebody else is going to say they're doing it when do they investigate u.s. government ok mark we've run out of time on that note here many thanks to my guests here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember crosstalk.
reason why north korea is trying to develop the capability to. prevent japan and the united states from assisting south korea in case of contingencies because. the missile capability is capable of attacking japan and the united states north korea can say the americans and japanese and if you assist south korea we would with nuclear weapons. which will make. those get a little bit cooler than. most of them on you but i you. know both of us but i guess what kind of. sign of this you. see a dump on
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