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tv   Cross Talk  RT  September 25, 2017 3:29pm-4:01pm EDT

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just comes down to it and it. equals betrayal. to look for common ground. the reason why north korea is trying to develop the capability to. prevent japan and the united states from assisting south korea in case of contingencies because with. the missile capabilities capable of attacking japan and the united states north korea can say oh the americans and japanese if you. we would with nuclear weapons.
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which would make. the most get a little bit cooler than. most of the world on you but i you. know both i'm sure what it was but i guess what kind of. sign of this is. you dump on a handwritten note she refused. to. wear the blue he will get a good area for him and it's. never really know for sure but this is been. you know. when i sort of know i. get.
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a low and welcome to cross talk we're all things to consider. peter labelle trump morphs into a neo con well that didn't take long also the world disorder after the united nations general assembly speeches and why does morgan freeman hate russia so much. cross talking real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow marc sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have a big draw levitch he is a political analyst as well as a leading expert at the center for actual politics and we have dmitri bobbitt she is a political analyst with sputnik international right gentlemen as always crosstalk
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rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it mark let me go to you first here i still think the afterglow of president trump speech at the united nations has meaning because what we've seen over the last few days are all the tricks ok the rocket man thing very undiplomatic it's not under international law illegal speech. but it's a confirmation of who's running american foreign policy i would point out that you've been saying this from the very very beginning but it really looks like you know we just have the continuation of bush's foreign policy of obama's foreign policy and as i have said for years on this program it's the genetic code foreign policy of the united states it doesn't matter who's in white house. no. ok first of all trump speaking at the united nations general assembly it is this once a year of events where heads of state frequently it's very interesting who came and
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who didn't go we didn't see president putin we didn't see prime minister modi we didn't see the president of china we didn't see angela merkel what we saw are those are who are new to the stage and i like to think of this is a coming out party for world statesmen this is where. their cherries are popped on the world stage so trump was there the french president the prime minister of the u.k. may this being their first rodeo they were there. and trump failed spectacularly in terms of content in terms of what we expect from a statesman but try delivered on what we actually expect from him which is entertain. his wardrobe. but i think you know you saw that in the mainstream media but in a very different way here because there there was low expectations i mean again this is how trump succeeds because he has a they deem that he can't do it and then he delivers what he does i mean it was
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a campaign speech well ok it was not his for it was directed mostly at home and not at the international community well i would say it was unprecedented because never in human history since that time so did the head of state threaten to actually destroy another country oh that's not true they all have threatened north korea and their island you know he used to be in language keeping all options on the table of course it was a threat of war but usually the statements say and we teach them about us and we will get all the know it and say this is this is what i'm saying here and this is what i'm saying here is that kind of agreeing with both of you at the same time i mean the presentation is one issue ok and it was very trump esque as we would expect here but there is a continuity here just because you're using different words doesn't mean the meaning isn't the same absolutely still i will get my anger that the united nations
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charter specifically prohibits not just towards a threat toward a threat a war is a crime by the by united nations so we're saying sions neither one of them when they see this kind of brings me to victory kind of brings me back to an issue that is really important to me is that we've said repeatedly on this program. and overriding of topics the issue of international law the demon just brought up you never ever see that in western media that's never brought up is america on the judge jeanine program on fox i mean than they did some box pops down the streets and just whipping up war whipping up war warmongering scaremongering and it just wall to wall and it's a feel good experience here and that's what i find very disturbing is that republican democrat progressive liberal whatever you still get the same policy look there is actually some rationale some logic behind what trump the with his inappropriate and frankly grotesque speech in front of the united nations general
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assembly and the logic is this remember how the league of nations. stopped you know how it ended up being us and this is what the united states wants for the united nations and here's what it's for the united nations since the end of the cold us to rubberstamp because they're at the united nations since their existence since actually it was founded during cold war two and it was placed in a. sea of the one hundred forty two and then found it in the last stages so during the last these world war two to two minute there and to preserve the post work peace between the new superpowers and the when the cold war ended in one thousand eight hundred nine one thousand nine hundred one the united states becoming the sole superpower and assuming great as the you know this one. world policeman that now we can say yes religious me think it was a privilege ok exactly and now they feel it and then they felt it would be will be
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forever it will be it will last forever just as many empires think and it never happens nothing is forever in the world history and the navy had lesions for them became some think of we you know something that prohibited. then from anything here in the here yes. they couldn't get the united nations to allow them to approve their war in iraq they couldn't get the united nations to approve their other military adventures in the chaos and remember and but let's remember george bush jr he wanted he also wanted. to hamper the workings of the united nations john bolton who loved who all of stump speech he was actually the u.s. ambassador to the this is during george bush jr's term in the white house so this is a six so why does tom go to the united nations and go over this this aggressive
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extremely aggressive speech where he actually has a team of south you know in the u.s. right to completely destroying north korea and that he talks about that israel and these other countries because he wants to show that international law protects the powerful ok well that's what that's what i've said i said do you really appreciate the fact that the u.s. president mention the word sovereignty so many times but it was only sovereignty for some countries and not other gentlemen we got a lot of to cover here i want to go to an actor that we all know and maybe still love maybe don't want to look at morgan freeman he's part of a new organization called the committee to investigate russia i want to take a look at this clip here let's roll it. oh it's got we know. we are. all imagine this movie script of former k.g.b. spy angry at the collapse of his motherland plus of course the real big.
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whoa well. mark i didn't know that this actor was an expert on international ations and specifically russia i guess i missed that yeah well i mean this was a great movie script up until the point where he says it's not a movie script this is a crude. juvenile manichean piece of propaganda that really should embarrass not only. is the image you know a lot of yourself to be like this but those who produced it and it has to be said even the liberal western press in moscow no friend to the russian government whatsoever was embarrassed and was. criticizing this. piece makes the usual suspects we have max boot we have james clapper. perjurer in . one of the and david frum probably the he probably is the.
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reigning prince of never getting everything anything right don't forget the russian foreign policy experts who directed it. you may know him for also directing when harry met sally rob reiner because no you know i will date myself everyone will know when i call him meathead all in the family and i think that was probably the last good thing he ever did but anyway what was your reaction to the great actor from what will he remain the as a losing his comical tale and because you say as he should you know i think address and tell him right in the eye and then he says something usually i would say stop telling me that i want to stop telling me that i want almost a but you know picture that would make a very would consider me looking at this and he's he's a great actor ok i don't i don't even really think he understands what he's saying . this is an act of desperation this is what this is is to keep this narrative this
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hoax narrative this conspiracy narrative alive they have to get you know an icon could put it on you're exactly correct and when you list the people who are on the committee to investigate who actually tells you everything about how is this how is this tape recorded how it happened you know i would as well know has. been intertwined with the interests of those seventy and us intelligence agencies that we talk so much but i do know that with seventy there are. maybe they're going to be twenty five by next year to have to run with. how does this happen. you know somebody like morgan freeman and rob reiner get calls from friends in one of those seventy and agencies and they're told you know. as you well know if you don't if you're going to c.n.n. yes and we could easily easily need your company who appreciates your assistance
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who could you please and of course how could we see you know how could they if you so they have of course they will oblige and this is what we this is that is what i understand mark is that when they when this went public i mean they were pretty well they just abled the comments section then the if you look at the likes and dislikes the dislikes overwhelmingly. the number of the ones that people did like it's i mean the fact that they didn't want any comments tells you every day don't want a discussion they just want to one way monologue to continue to convince people and i have to say when we look at north korea i mention this judge jeanine program on fox news it works the media does does is able to convince people to follow their narrative going to have to go to a short break and after that short rick will continue our discussion on real news stay with us.
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about your sudden passing i phone leaches. you worry yourself in taking your. last bang turned. caught up to us we all knew it would i tell you i'm sorry i could so i write these last words in hopes to put to rest these things that i never got off my chest. i remember when we first met my life turned on each breath . but then my feeling started to change you talked about war like it was again still some are fond of you those that didn't like to question our arc and i secretly promised to never be like it said one does not leave a funeral the same as one enters the mind gets consumed with death this one quite
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different i speak to you now because there are no other takers. to claim that mainstream media has met its maker. right now we're in their guts. c.l. or in fact. these birds fish leagues. i load media man would be awesome if there's no multimedia from right. according to the c.a.e. it is home to the world's most powerful drug syndicates why you're growing marijuana and north tomatoes it's a. big get over the full grown people at the bottom of the obama one your body wash the people out. of there. the up.
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to date to get them. a. little. must and the government knows what they do and they do nothing. welcome back to cross talk or all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok mark before i went to the break we were talking about the weaponization of morgan freeman it's a it for me it's a very interesting phenomenon but i think all already it is deemed a failure go ahead yeah i think it is the fact that it didn't even get support from
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its own echo chamber and there was a degree of embarrassment with it we have to look at i mean take a just take a look at the short role list of who are the directors the board of directors the advisors with when you print you know there is no one who speaks russian there's no one who is an expert on russia in any way there is no one who is an expert in cyber or security policy. and there's no real security experts whatsoever on this committee to investigate russia's own website you know it within a week of launching they had this profile of the rain from this russian equal length of the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff grass moss and they there's all these references media to a gerasim of doctrine hybrid warfare which is a complete propaganda because it completely usually neglects the fact that gerasim off what specifically replying to what the u.s.
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military policy of unconventional warfare per the military manual already is and that russia must respond to turn that around her but this committee to protect journalists they put up a picture of gerasim all talking about the grass my truck and it's not even grass of things that even has value to the russian did. going to drink jesus not that someone else's picture so real good enough to get your approach of the roast they docked above to guard the doctrine named after the marshal agarkar a very unpleasant thing happened a guard of died so they didn't want ninety four so they quit long to talk about it so they invented this give us some of the book and i like the headline on there are opinion page you know that. they don't all drop dead the problem with the garage doctrine is that it doesn't exist but i can tell you that this is the problem with mania doctrines which the western media describes brezhnev never knew with brezhnev doctrine. there must have been kind of happy about it i mean proof where russians
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never use this war then maybe consider vented saying the russians invented it actually the western press misuses the security term warfare in a completely got something special to find out that is. just. morgan freeman you know the problem is that he's talking about terrible things about it in such a peaceful reassuring way i thought that the and then he would say so police still plotting to bomb. to get anybody to dr strange that it would be. absolutely labor to do it and there is actually talking about doctors there is a doctor and that is in effect and it was shown to be an effective time speech and that's them on the whole doctrine that actually sounds that america and south america aren't subservient to the united states and it would be. well yes the united states permanently tyreese to civilize them but to no i'm going to. let you read this picture because i trump disparagement of socialism which i know mark i
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mean from american perspective only until the advent of bernie sanders that you could actually use that word in public it was for bowden and then we have the president of the united states to the podium at the general assembly disparaging socialist thinking. the socialists are sitting in the hall already hundreds of millions of people call themselves that which was all around the world so it's not very generalized i mean it was not a dirty word for today they were just again it just showed that kind of ethno centric ism that they're. going to put this speech was you know the background to the speech was an attempt by the united states to have the majority of the members . who signed a statement that including presage that included the passage that they wanted to change so they beat the powers security council members so he speech his speech and all of these attacks they were purposeful they were meant to deal with just in my
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eyes the united nations as we know it you know you could be ok the spirit of the of ironies of samantha power which if you wasn't asking. she was calling for the change of the veto in the security council and if you look at the or and i know we'll get the literary origins from demon in second but you know if you look at the origins of that is that the veto power has proven that it does work it works extremely well but maybe the only thing that works extremely well in the united nations isn't. great nuclear armed powers in the world so the u.n. has a very specific narrow and that's right that's what the u.n. the u.n. security council is for and that's where it's worked and the veto. veto suggested by the russian foreign minister of fame the russian foreign minister at the time oh i thought. the veto has prevented that i mean prevented nuclear war
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journalistically what the way to change gears here this whole story about facebook so we have morgan freeman that was a don't know the facebook thing. again pulling at straws let's get stronger i mean i don't know the the. facebook can. from their ads the twenty seven billion dollars a year in the in found one hundred thousand that were purchased by some thousand dollars potentially related to this country or individuals in this country to let you know what's in willing to try and now they're looking at the post soviet space which again who's doing this doesn't understand the geopolitical changes happened the last twenty five years here again another wild goose chase well i like the comment of one of my facebook rants about this here old it's amazing what one hundred thousand dollars can buy to put on not one of these we can buy if we owe the american presidency but actually the way that american press and the way some
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of the poll is a lamenting the growing influence of facebook is just pathetic because it tells us the truth about what was going on just recently let me quote from someone to power cycle in the new york times during the cold war most americans receive their news and information to be unmediated platforms reporters and editors served in the role of professional gatekeepers and they had almost full control over what appeared in the media so these were the nice dimes when americans when they were doing a keeper and i thought that we had the free american media which report at all the truth from well over the war no there were a gate and she lay mance the fact that there are some phrasebook at college with no gatekeeper ok and i could point out to our viewers that r.t. is trashed in that article also that we are generally believe what the most interesting thing of the about this wild goose chase is it really opens up so many questions here picture well if it is facebook a utility you know it's just
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a pipe or is it an advocacy group ok and if it's just a pipe then maybe it should be turned into a utility ok. i think twitter should be also and google should be broken up because what we have is a very liberal agenda and they have almost monopoly control in their. areas right here second of all what about other foreign influence in government in elections ok what about breaks it was the u.s. government using facebook probably when you look at other elections around the world look at ukraine ok i mean if these people pushing this narrative of facebook in russia they're opening up a huge huge can of worms that could go all over the place there's an influence peddling everywhere guys all of the time by everyone go ahead because look let's go back to the times of the call the war. you know mid one nine hundred eighty s.
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if you wanted to listen to voices american or radio free europe or radio liberty in the soviet union you would have problems because there were actually special stations here jamming there were jamming those broadcasts you know why because at that time the syrian government thought that it could not compete idea that wise in their media market with those. those products made by the u.s. made by europe and its nato allies and so forth. so there on two day to day it's switched what happened so today in russia you can listen to see and then you can listen to. me you can listen to do it well you can call this the russians at danger which are more of a rush of them and if we had to do was to actual program yes on a topic and so on so and so but what's actually happening in the united states why are these attacks not see once put a new one you know feasible co-sponsored by the by by whoever why are these
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happening why are these attacks happening now because they're making a stand bush went feels that it cannot sustain competition from foreign and different media outlets where they don't turn into full interview because they fear that their miracles are actually more likely to believe whether it's he says what's excess you know what people will assess them then of what's in the series but it's also telling from an ideological point of view mark is that western liberalism doesn't want a conversation it doesn't want to have a debate it doesn't want to have an argument because it doesn't have any arguments any more you disagree then you're trashed then you're discredited you're labeled the usual ones that's not how a free disco open market of ideas works and victor is absolutely right that they want to keep there we want to be the good gatekeepers again yeah there's two really
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disturbing things about this story and it is a manufactured story first one is the way it's being reported because what they're actually talking about here when you look into the details of something that occurred in by a russian. whatever in that which they don't provide any details in two thousand and fifteen it had nothing to do with the election the nothing to do with hillary nothing to do with trump and referred to simply. they were talking about issues such as l g b t and other issues and in attempting to vermes the divisiveness like there isn't already enough device it has to get there i like i need a facebook ad to have me disagree with obama on transvestite policy using little girls about their diet but the other disturbing thing is the ideological factor that is being pushed through facebook there's no question that zuckerberg is a curate. pure liberal he has a very specific intense it's discussed about running for president he's
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midwestern states and talking about he's no longer an atheist and how great ethanol is so i mean i'm going to. do it he said to her you know what it is not yours it isn't but i question if. we could all be driven out of facebook because it talks about misuse of facebook who who uses does the pentagon hear social media manipulation programs the pentagon sockpuppet army did they know maybe going to somebody else is going to say they're doing it when do they investigate u.s. government ok marc we've run out of time on that note here many thanks to my guests here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember crosstalk. with this manufactured incentive still to the public will. when the
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ruling classes protect themselves. with the flaming. lips. we can all middle of the room see. the real news is really. the reason why north korea is trying to develop the capability to. prevent japan and the united states from assisting south korea in case of contingencies because with. the missile capabilities capable of attacking japan and the united states north korea can say oh the americans and japanese if you assist south korea. with nuclear weapons.
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this would make. those get a little. bit was. most of them on you but i. know both of you want to but i just sort of kind of this side of this you. know but if you dump on a handwritten note she refused. to . wear the blue he will get a good area for immigrants it's this we never really know for sure but this is been a. thank you so i. am. the one when i sort of know it's.
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coming up on artsy a war of words the white house pushes back on a claim that the u.s. has declared war on north korea. and another version of a travel ban from the trump administration this one includes travelers from chad and north korea will explain why. then it chancellor angela merkel wins a fourth term in this weekend's german election but another party is gaining seats in parliament the results later in the show. it's monday.

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