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tough talks begin in germany as party looks for coalition partners after limping to victory in the federal election. meanwhile the. group rallies in the city of dresden after right wing nationalists enjoy a surge in support. and human rights watch accuses the u.s. led coalition of killing scores of civilians including thirty children in airstrikes near the syrian city of rock back. and that does it for me with my colleague will be back next hour live from moscow. coming up next though it is.
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below and welcome to all things considered i'm peter. trumpet morphs into a neo-con well that didn't take long also the world disorder after the united nations general assembly speeches and why does morgan freeman hate russia so much. talking real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have victor all of which he is a political analyst as well as a leading expert of the center for actual politics. we have dmitri bobbitt she is
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a political analyst with sputnik international right gentlemen as always crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it mark let me go to you first here i still think the afterglow of president trump speech at the united nations has meaning because what we've seen over the last few days are all the tricks ok the rocket man thing very undiplomatic it's not under international law illegal speech. but it's a compromise of who's running american foreign policy i would point out that you've been saying this from the very very beginning but it really looks like you know we just have the continuation of bush's foreign policy of obama's foreign policy and as i have said for years on this program it's the genetic code foreign policy of the united states it doesn't matter who's in white house. no. ok first of all trump speaking at the united nations general assembly it is this once
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a year of events where heads of state frequently come it's very interesting who came and who didn't go we didn't see president putin we didn't see prime minister modi we didn't see the president of china we didn't see angela merkel what we saw are those are who are new to the stage and i like to think of this is a coming out party for world statesmen this is where their cherries are popped on the world stage so trump was there the french president mark crawdad the prime minister of the u.k. may this being their first rodeo they were there and trump failed spectacularly in terms of content in terms of what we expect from a statesman but delivered on what we actually expect from him which is entertaining about. his wardrobe i worry that you'll hate but i think you know you saw that in the mainstream media but in a very different way here because there are there. low expectations i mean again
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this is how trump succeeds because he has a they deem that he can't do it and then he delivers what he does i mean it was a campaign speech it was not his for it was directed mostly at home and not at the international community well i would say it was unprecedented because never in human history says that he did a head of state threaten to actually destroy another country oh that's not true they was threatening north korea and they're our engineer he used to be in language keeping all options on the table of course it was a threat of war but usually the statements say and we teach them about us and we will get all the know it and say this is this is what i'm saying here and this is what i'm saying here is that kind of agreeing with both of you at the same time i mean the presentation is one issue ok and it was very trump ask as we would expect here but there is a continuity here just because you're using different words doesn't mean the
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meaning isn't the same absolutely still i will get my anger that the united nations charter specifically prohibits not just awards but also a threat of war a threat a war is a crime by and by united nations so we're saying neither one of them in this kind of brings me to victory kind of brings me back to an issue that is really important to me is that we've said repeatedly on this program on overriding of topics the issue of international law the demon has brought up you never ever see that in western media that's never brought up is america on the judge jeanine program on fox i mean than they did some vox pops out on the streets and just whipping up war whipping up war warmongering scaremongering and it just wall to wall and it's a feel good experience here and that's what i find very disturbing is that republican democrat progressive liberal whatever you still get the same policy look there is actually some version or some logic behind what. tromp the with his
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inappropriate and frankly grotesque speech in front of the united nations general assembly and the logic is this remember how the league of nations. stopped you know how it ended up being us and this is what the united states wants for the united nations and here's what it's for the united nations since the end of the cold us to rubberstamp because they're at the united nations since their existence since actually it was founded during cold war two it was nice to know. because you've been one hundred forty two and then found it in the last stages so here in the west these world war two to two minute turn and to preserve the post work peace between the new superpowers and the wind the cold war ended in one thousand eight hundred nine one thousand nine hundred one the united states becoming the sole superpower and assuming great sizzix you know this one. world policeman
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we can say yes religious me think it was a privilege ok exactly and now they feel it and then they felt it would be full before ever it will be it will last forever just as many empires think and it never happens nothing is forever in the world history and the united lesions for them became some think of we you know something that prohibited them from anything here in the economy yes it did and they couldn't get the united nations to allow them to approve their war on iraq they couldn't get the united nations to approve their other military adventures in the chaos and remember him but let's remember george bush jr he wanted he also wanted. to hamper the workings of the united nations john bolton who loved who all of stump speech he was actually the us ambassador to head to the the issues during george bush jr's to him in the white house. so this is
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a six so why does tom go to the united nations and deliver this. aggressive extremely aggressive speech where he actually has a team of say that you know invokes the u.s. right to completely destroy north korea and that he talks about that israel and these other countries because he wants to show that international law protects the powerful ok well that's what that's what i've said i said do you really appreciate the fact that the u.s. president mention the word sovereignty so many times but it was only sovereignty for some countries and not others gentlemen we got a lot of to cover here i want to go to an actor that we all know and maybe still love maybe don't want to look at morgan freeman he's part of a new organization called the committee to investigate russia i want to take a look at this clip here let's roll it. oh it's god we know. imagine this movie script former k.g.b.
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spy angry at the collapse of his motherland plus of course for revenge. whoa well. mark i didn't know that this actually was an expert on international ations and specifically russia i guess i missed that yeah well i mean this was a great movie script up until the point where he says it's not a movie script this is a crude. juvenile manichean piece of propaganda that really should embarrass not only. is the image you know a lot of yourself to be like this but those who produced it and it has to be said even the liberal western press in moscow no friend to the russian government whatsoever was embarrassed and was. criticizing this. piece makes the usual suspects we have max boot we have james clapper. perjurer in
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. one of the and david frum probably the he probably is the. reigning prince of never getting everything anything right don't forget the russian foreign policy experts who directed it. you may know him for also directing when harry met sally rob reiner because. i will date myself everyone will know when i call him meathead all in the family and i think that was probably the last good thing he ever did but anyway what was your reaction to the great actor from well going to remain the is losing his comical tale and because you say as he should you know i think addressed and tell him right in the eye and then he says something usually i would say stop telling me that i want to stop telling me that i want almost a but you know picture that would make a very we're going to see me looking at this and he's he's a great actor ok i don't i don't even really think he understands what he's saying
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. this is an act of desperation this is what this is is to keep this narrative this hoax narrative this conspiracy narrative alive they have to get you know an icon could put it on you're exactly correct and when you list the people who are on that committee to investigate who actually tells you everything about how this tape was recorded how it happened you know i would as is well know has. been intertwined with the interests of those seventy and us intelligence agencies that we talk so much but i do know that with seventy there. maybe they're going to be twenty five by next year to have to run with which the nations. how does this happen. you know somebody like morgan freeman and rob reiner get calls from friends in one of those seventy and agencies and they're told you know.
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as you well know is are you going to do it on c.n.n. yes and we really really need your company will appreciate your assistance could you please and of course how could we see you know how could they if you so they have of course they will oblige and this is what we this is that is what what i understand mark is that when they when this went public i mean they were pretty well they just abled the comments section and then the if you look at the likes and dislikes the dislikes overwhelmingly. and the number of the ones that people did like it's i mean the fact that they didn't want any comments tells you every day don't want to discussion they just want to one way monologue to continue to convince people and i have to say when we look at north korea i mention this judge jeanine program on fox news it works the media does does is able to convince people to follow their narrative going to have to go to a short break and after that short rick will continue our discussion on real news
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so i. know. when i started no i. welcome back to crossfire all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok mark before i went to the break we were talking about the weaponization no morgan freeman it's a it for me it's a very interesting phenomenon but i. already it is deemed a failure go ahead yeah i think it is the fact that it didn't even get support from its own echo chamber and there was a degree of embarrassment with it we have to look at i mean take a just take a look at the short role list of who are the directors the board of directors the
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advisors with when you practice there is no one who speaks russian there's no one who is an expert on russia in any way there is no one who is an expert in cyber or security policy. and there's no real security experts whatsoever on this committee to investigate russia's own website you know it within a week of launching they had this profile of the rain from this russian equal length of the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff grass moss and they there's all these references media to a gerasim of doctrine hybrid warfare which is a complete propaganda because it completely usually neglects the fact that gerasim off was specifically replying to what us military policy of unconventional warfare per the military manual already is and that russia must respond to their
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interest but this committee to protect journalists they put up a picture of talking about the grass my truck and it's not even grass of things that even has no user in russian the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff it's someone else's picture so real good investigation of russia anything of the pros they don't have a guard doctrine named after the marshal garko very unpleasant things have been got to die so they don't want ninety four so they can have long to talk about it so they invented this give us some of doctrine and i like the headline on the artes opinion page you know that. they don't are all dead the problem with the gospel doctrine is that it doesn't exist but i can tell you that this is the problem with mania doctrines which the western media do. scribed bridge you know when you with a doctrine. you know there must have been kind of happy about it i mean where russians never use this war then maybe consented saying the russians invented it actually the western press misuses the security term warfare in
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a completely got something special to find out that is. just. morgan freeman you know the problem is that he's talking about terrible things about it in such a peaceful reassuring way i thought that the in the end when he would say so please stop watering off the bomb. ok i'm going to dr strangelove that is one of the. labor to do it and there is actually talking about there is a doctor and that is in effect and it was shown to be ineffective in term speech and that's them on an old doctrine that actually said was that america and south america subservient to the united states and would be. well yes the united states permanently ataris to civilize them but no i was you know i'm i'm glad you brought this picture because i trumps disparagement of socialism which i know mark i mean from american perspective only until the advent of bernie sanders
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that you could actually use that word in public i mean it was for bode and then we have the president of the united states to the podium at the general assembly disparaging social thinking the socialists are sitting in the hall nobody hundreds of millions of people call themselves that which was all around the world so it's not very generalized i mean it was not a dirty word portugais they were just again it just showed that kind of no centrism that they're. going to be quiet and that you know this speech was you know the background to the speech was an attempt by the united states to kind of the majority of the members of the united nations who signed a statement that including that included the passage that they wanted to change so they beat the powers security council members. so he speech his speech and all of these attacks they were purposeful they were meant to deal with just in mice the united nations as we know it you know you could be ok spirit somehow because i have the of ironies of samantha power which if you wasn't asking. she was
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calling for the change of the veto in the security council and if you look at the or and i know we'll get the literary origins from demon in second but you know if you look at the origins of that is that the veto power has proven it that it does work it works extremely well but maybe the only thing that works extremely well at the united nations who isn't. great nuclear armed powers in the world so the u.n. has a very specific narrow and that's right that's what the u.n. the u.n. security council is for and thus far it's worked and the veto. veto suggested by the russian foreign minister fame the russian foreign minister at the time oh i thought. the veto has prevented that i mean prevented nuclear war journalistically what the white house doesn't click let's change gears here this whole story about facebook so we have morgan freeman that was a don't know the facebook thing. again pulling at straws let's get
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stronger i mean i don't know the the they have a facebook from their ads the twenty seven billion dollars a year and then of found one hundred thousand that were purchased by cell phones and both the dollars potentially related to this country or individuals in this country to let you know what i am willing to try and now they're looking at the post soviet space which again who's doing this doesn't understand the geo political changes happen in the last twenty five years here i get another wild goose chase well i like to comment on one of my facebook rants about this here old it's amazing what one hundred thousand dollars can buy for. no not one of these can buy american presidency but actually the way that american press and the way some of the ball is a lamenting the growing influence of facebook is just pathetic because it tells us the truth about what was going on just recently let me quote from someone to polish
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article in the new york times during the cold war most americans receive their news and information to be unmediated platforms reporters and then it does serve in the role of professional gatekeepers and they had almost full control over what appeared in the media so these were the night when americans when they were going to see a keeper here i thought that we had the free american media which report that all of the truth from all over the war no there were a gate and she lay mance the fact that there are some phrasebook of columns with no gatekeeper ok and i could point out to our viewers that r.t. is trashed in that article also that we are generally believe what the the most interesting thing of about this wild goose chase is it really opens up so many questions here picture well if it is facebook a utility you know is it just a pipe or is it an advocacy group ok and if it's just a pipe then maybe it should be turned into a utility ok like twitter i think twitter should be also and google should be
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broken up because what we have is a very liberal agenda and they have almost monopoly control in their respective areas right here second of all what about other foreign influence in government in elections ok what about a break that was the us government using facebook probably wouldn't look at look at other elections around the world look at ukraine ok i mean if these people pushing this narrative of facebook in russia they're opening up a huge huge can of worms that could go all over the place there's an influence peddling everywhere guys all of the time by everyone go ahead victor look. let's go back to the times of the call the war ninety two mid one thousand meters if you wanted to listen to voices american or radio free europe or radio liberty in the soviet union you would have problems because there were actually special stations
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here jamming there were jamming those broadcasts you know why because at that time the syrian government thought that it could not compete idea that wise in their media market with those. those products made by the u.s. made by europe and its nato allies and so forth so they're on to day to day. what happened so today in russia you can listen to see and then you can listen to voices of america you can listen to do you well you can call this a russian danger which i'm more of a rush of the i mean if we have to do with actual program you're some other topic and so and so and so but what's actually happening in the united states why are these attacks now to see once put nuke one you know phrase book or spying by whoever why are the happening why are these attacks happening now because the american establishment feels that it cannot sustain competition
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from foreign and different media outlets where they don't turn into a full interview because they fear that their miracles are actually more likely to believe whether it's he says what's excess you know what people have asked us then then what in the listener is but it's also telling from an ideological point of view mark is that western would lose them doesn't want a conversation it doesn't want to have a debate it doesn't want to have an argument because it doesn't have any arguments any more you disagree then you're trashed then you're discredited you're labeled the usual ones that's not how a free disco open market of ideas works and victor is. absolutely right that they want to keep their they want to be the gate gate keepers again yeah there's two really disturbing things about this story and it is a manufactured story first one is the way it's being reported because what they're
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actually talking about here when you look into the details of something that occurred in by a russian. whatever in that which they don't provide any details in two thousand and fifteen it had nothing to do with the election the nothing to do with hillary nothing to do with trump and referred to simply that they were talking about issues such as l g b t and other issues in an attempt on two of her means the priests divisiveness like there isn't already enough device it has to get there i like i need a facebook ad to have me disagree with obama on transvestite policy here's a little girl's bought into it but the other disturbing thing is the ideological factor that is being pushed through facebook there's no question that zuckerberg is a curate. pure liberal he has a very specific intense it's discussed about running for president he's touring midwestern states and talking about he's no longer an atheist and how great ethanol is so i mean how did. he do it he said to her you know what it is not yours it
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isn't but i question if. we could all be driven out of facebook because it talks about misuse of facebook who who uses does the pentagon their social media manipulation programs the pentagon sockpuppet army did they know maybe going to somebody else is going to say they're doing it when do they investigate u.s. government ok marc we've run out of time on that note here many thanks to my guests here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember crosstalk. weird include a. scene over. these birds fish.
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