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what you're going underground special at the russian british business forum twenty seventeen at the queen elizabeth the second conference center in the heart of westminster as britain desperately tries to forge trade deals around the world as the cost of brecht's it apparently reaches one hundred billion pounds coming up on the show the russian ambassador to britain alexander. explains always sign a russian plan with young and for peace could have prevented the need for nato condemnation for this week's korean i.c.b.m. strike and why the chair of the russian british. sanctions mean business between london and moscow while russia's trade representative to the u.k. heralds britain's threshold of a new era of trade and economic relations between the tube. u.n.
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security council permanent members plus one of a friend and neighbor say what action the government is proposing to take against russian backed agencies spreading fake peace in this information we need to be doing it in a political campaign questions to the defacto u.k. deputy prime minister because tourism a was in saudi arabia surely this m.p. wasn't referring to fake news about the deputies extreme pornography investigation all this and more coming up in today's going on the ground for london's q e two center in london where hundreds of business leaders gather doing grease ties between russia and britain arguably in defiance of a british prime minister who believes a bloody mia putin is just drawing western democracy firstly we spoke to russia's ambassador to the u.k. alexander yucca van gogh in a week that was internationally dominated by the perceived threat to world peace posed by north korea embassador thanks for coming to our makeshift studio just before we get to the russian british business forum your reaction this week we've had headlines all about how north korea can destroy the earth your reaction to that
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information well of course you're talking about the testing and well i basically expected that because the west didn't support the initiative for russia and china so called double freeze so what we proposed we proposed that north career should stop testing of the nuclear weapons and stop testing missiles in return the the west should definitely. retore towards the north korea and stop military maneuvers ok washington and of course nato disagree with you what about london as well as we see here where they are saying that part of this question of the security council and london of course was on the side of the united states so i'm trying to explain all the time to my british colleagues that they should hear the voice of the. real sense in this world and the joy in the
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russian initiative unfortunately is not the case today but the initiative was on the table now i don't know whether it's hollywood films or whatever but any business people thinking of investing in russia right now i know we have breakfast coming they're going to be frightened their vision of doing business in russia is with a corrupt country full of all agog people that have to report to the kremlin how do you see this summit persuading people to do trade with russia and have a room here says that perspective well until the first saw everything what he said is just the exact reflection of the fake news about the russian the british media. i always telling my friends in britain that you know of course you understand what the press is writing but they have to listen to the companies like b.p. shell. those who are doing the real business in russia in the expanding biz
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business what is interesting it's for example there is a reading doing business in the world four years ago russia was the seed place of one hundred twenty now it's on the thirty five you see you see the difference the britain i think if the memory serves me is the seven so basically where they have their grocery where playing yeah of course essentially big multinationals which each of them have gone to russia backgrounds arguably what about as enemies possibly thinking of competing in in the russian trade market or trying to work deals you know oh he writes. i think there was any i think i think the right people i mean those who are members of the r b c c this is russian british of commerce they know the realities and of course they are coming especially in the area of the high tech they know the benefits but of course the need i mean the business the british business now. is the political signals from
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the government in order not to distort the picture but to give the clear picture the right picture or what's happening go away seem to have a big bill to pay for rex it is it too late for britain some of the speakers here are saying that italy germany france beating beating us to it when it comes to new deals never late never late and i'll tell you why because you know or one m.p. he asked the minister of economy of the poor lament what are the losses of britain due to the different western sanctions his own calculations it's between ten and he thousand billion pounds each year so this is the price of the policy of the west and the britain so and there's no easy that's ok that's what you're but again small business executives yes exactly what is all this forum is about you know look at how many people came here more than one thousand interested in the in the in the in
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the real russia because you know what they have from the press is the distorted vision and they want to know the truth you know as johnson early and folks know david davies normally thornberry and learn from corbin's benj diligence not like you know they frightened to be around rather just hated their visit with the brags that story but so we had we had the prince michael of kent who is the patron of the russian british jumble of commerce we had the. if you m.p.'s who are really heavily involved in the russian british relations and they wanted to send the messages to be to the people who go here so basically. we heard the messages but what is most important is that we had the bridge of business here those who are really doing this is not just the big one like us to seneca they just sign there in the agreement with the others down but this is also. the small
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business we see this context here which is theresa may appeared to be saying you're a dangerous country a rogue country that is destroying elections all around the world and certainly that's going to inspire business confidence is a well you know britain is the country of the pluralism and if you if you look at the figures you'll find that the big the economy trade drew this year something work around twenty percent it means war which in britain russia it means what the business is ready to do their business and to certain extent they don't listen the politicians the british politicians of course were very supportive on that because you know we're showing the real russia and that russia is very close to the hearts of those who are planning to make money the people are even accusing russia of mass casualties in syria they his rusher of assassinations of
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of the banning nature nation media is this really a context for of course laws to announce you know you why because you know like you know the how the mr trump invented you know this sort of fake news that's exactly about the british press you know always telling my friends you know just give me the facts. and we're happy to consider you know but not a single fact was presented you with the stories about the russian boards you know all the things you know even the references to the research of certain institutes in the university and some for the cia and then there's another i'm talking about the universities in the u.k. all of them you know all that reports were fake fake news because you know we send the request to this in universities and ask them whether it's true their references to their reports and the wrote us a letter that sorry but everything what was said you know in times and some other some other newspapers this is absolutely doesn't reflect the reality so why do you
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think british media one to destroy the reputation of your country that's a good question and i'll tell you i'm asking. that question to the british killed colleagues you know i don't i don't have the answer certain extent some people explain this that the british just to following the american policy and we have some difficulties who the relations in the united states and so they're basically following to certain extent to certain extend that maybe it's true. but i think that you know the britain should have its own strategy in this world because you know it's the quality of life the economy the health of the economy this would be the most important things for the british people and russia is a great market the economy is growing now it's around two and a half percent next year it will be even higher you know we are the the gate to the eurasian union is around two million people more kit and we're off course we are
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the key to the brics which is emerging economies you know and of course latest forecasts here are the growth in the next four five years will be less than two percent here in britain how important is britain as a trading but given the rise of the brics and because you know every country you know. if they can make make money there are a lot of what you need is for example the nucleus here because we're the best in the world you know to build a nuclear power stations you know britain are refusing to cooperate with us you know and so that's another but you know just so basically for us that's a good marketing wrinkly point is it is controversial enough for me i'm just going to say that is one of the reasons myriad written a suspicious words in britain's line was to get rid of assad in syria and yet again mr mugg raw president trump they're all saying the geneva talks are the only legitimate form for peace talks and there's russia going on about talks in a stern and everything seems to be taking place away from the sphere of influence
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of nato nations that's always a good way to take them to well you know just always telling my friends that there is all the possibilities to be on the right side of the history and join us on this initiatives and join us on the settlement and the will be happy to see this. you know in the future and that's it would be a very good opportunity you know to discuss all this things between boris johnson and lover of because johnson is coming to moscow at the end of december and we're going to talk not only on the ballots will the relations which is quite frozen but also to be different the world will the first especially ukraine because you know the positions are different and of course is syria but we are going to talk about yemen because you know we don't see quite active role britain there and of course libya and that was the result of the aggression from the united kingdom france and the time and now the country is in ruins so all these questions are on our agenda
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and i think the for the talks between the lover off and johnson would be very helpful you know for for the british side to understand you know what is our position you know and what we can do together and master thank you. after the break here of the russian british business for twenty. seventeen of the q e two friends in london how terrified should british small to medium sized businesses be about investing in post breaks it deals with russian partners given sanctions and then they just make news we told to the head of the u.k. the russian british chamber of commerce and the russian federation's trade representative to britain tons of mainstream media horror stories about moscow's expense easing nine teeth into a bid for economic partnership in fin bowl this is coming up in part two of this special russia u.k. trade ties edition i'm going underground.
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here's what people have been saying about redacted in night just full on awesome the only show i go out of my way to lunch you know a lot of the really packed a punch. yam is the john oliver of harvey americans do the same we are apparently better than food. and see people you never heard of love back to the night my president of the world bank though they didn't write me. send us an e-mail join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guests of the world of politics sport business i'm show business i'll see you then. welcome back we're still at the russian british business forum twenty seventeen at the queen elizabeth the second center in westminster and joining me now is the chair of the board of directors of the russian british chambers of commerce roger
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welling's thanks so much for coming to our makeshift studio surprised by the number of people here given the drays may is often warning this country that it russia is a rogue state i think it's a good turners and i think the people here are the only a lot about russian business and the opportunities for british business in russia i think both governments. are encouraging trade between the two countries subject of course to the legal requirements of the sanctions regimes but i think if you if you talk to the british embassy in moscow they're keen to increase british business in russia and russia is keen to increase business here and others garage near the city of london the in terror libel or interest rate was fraudulent but what about corruption in russia that corruption is something that. you don't have to get into anywhere if you don't want to it's up to you with your integrity as a businessman not to go in areas where you're going to do where you can be subject
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to corruption and my own experience is that it's quite quite possible in the russian environment you business without getting into those those difficult areas and as you say it exists pretty much everywhere in every dimension and i'm focusing on a semi business not the big shell oil in there because of this world whether it be a supply chain investment the ones making with the russian company whether it be a trade partnership whether beer export arrangement how can we possibly gulf wouldn't of the future given that resume could put sanctions on on this or that sector to morrow or the next day i think at the political level what i would hope for is that we make progress and i think that involves setting up a dialogue where mutual respect between both part. these exist and i think it's incumbent on both the british government and the russian government to establish that effective dialogue is not only important for from the point of view of international security it's also important as an umbrella for business generally
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because you can bet your life that if a british board is sitting discussing whether it wants to do business in russia and if it's likely to get some bad press or some bad political comment and it's not going to do it it's an easy way not to do it and there are a lot of opportunities being missed which you know de facto the french the germans italians just don't seem to be missing even though britain is at the moment the no more and so is relayed around us and russia i see it's a service per service provider yes but there are all sorts of other industries that we could we could get ourselves involved in but then is it too late because some russian business people i've been talking to here are saying you know we've already got looking towards the eurasian the land where obviously e.u. now the britons leaving it let alone the markets it is never too late if you have a good offering and a good proposal for a counter party in whichever country you're dealing with what i would worry about
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is that russian business does depend a lot on on relationships and whether the people inherently trust you and i think it's not only builds up over time and it's both directions you're rushing kind of parties have to trust you and you have to trust them and that develops over over a period of time so it does take time to install out what opportunities ironically arise because of sanctions against russia well it stored really of course you know when when sanctions were first introduced i thought this is not the way to deal with this issue because it hinders the development of the russian middle class if you like your own news that it hinders sea advance of. detail democracy. the advance democracy but actually what's happened is that i think. rather like a large family that's criticized from outside if you put sanctions in right everybody within russia pulls together so diversification is increasing
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modernization is increasing the infrastructure is being built more quickly that might otherwise have been also got a lot to do that a lower all price of course doesn't give you that budget headroom. to relax but you know that relaxation is not necessarily a good thing if you want to build if you want to make economy economic progress quickly because the political climate given the kind of statements coming from tourism a little in the in folks and others let alone on the neighbors have been generally thornberry mean that they appeared to be considering russia something akin to apartheid is it ethical to even do business with russia given the as far as the government here seems to be saying the human rights abuses on a good local scale and only by russia that doesn't have the world you know when i talk to members of the british government they are pretty clear that they want to increase trade and investment with russia provided sanctions aren't sanctions aren't infringe the legal requirements a sanctions aren't infringe my guess is that there's some political posturing going
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on here but i don't know i'm not party to the way our senior politicians think although the moves they're trying to make to set a position it's always already for the big multinationals but you can understand though that it has and we as in the as a way to think that i mean the human rights of the arabia don't matter but the nights i think they all this he will with those i mean i just challenge your comment about multinationals because i think multinationals it is incumbent upon our best not to nationals to behave ethically and their boards of directors hopefully will ensure that they do. in terms of estimate a very debatable that i would hope as a businessman that and you know a board member of major russian companies that that major european major british companies. behave ethically. and i think there's increasing pressure for them too and that's part of the job of the board to make sure that happens but not by my observations i was saying russia hacked i got a lonely
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a break that the general election could jump in no way to as these are the accusations in the corner what can we believe these days i mean i think. he there are accusations all over the place to be we need proof for all of these things to all governments do this i just don't know if you want to thank you pleasure there was plenty of optimism of the russian british forum twenty seventeen even if british breaks that politicians like liam fox david davis and boris johnson usually so keen to talk about international trade deals with no way to be seen going into bars abravanel of the russian federation's trade representative to britain that was a political issue not so much a business one given all the arguable russophobia in their britain how can you say that russia and britain are only threshold of a new era of trade in economic relations after breaks called statistics shows us that this yeah there has been a significant progress in by little trade during the first nine months of this year
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treat on or between our two countries increased by twenty five percent and we surpassed their level of nine billion us dollars it means that by the end of the they'll be at least twelve billion or bilateral to know. their often export is increasing and the british export to russia also increasing their means and increasing the mom and for british equipment for industrial goods and all saw the increasing demand for. consumables. this opens new opportunities for both countries and that's why we're talking about . a new era the start of the new era as we see it and that so there are really two tracks to this there's brevan history in parliament resumes saying you're an evil country destroying democracy around the world and underneath that there are
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businesses seem to have these political statements not new for the business. so. for the business community actually the business circles of both countries get. used to these hostile. territory. they see their real benefit or mutual cooperation they are more pragmatic than the politics ok but you talk about increasing a british russian trade your biggest trade put there is the european union not a isolated britain outside the old forms of course when you look to future trade as we look towards if there's a choice if there has to be a choice do as the european union or britain i don't think of it we have to choose between the europe and britain. we hope for developed economic cooperation
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not only with the europe but the whole of the world but they'll be new tariffs when britain leaves the european union we don't know where they'll be or not because the exact conditions of britain leaving the e.u. are not clear by now so if we're. talking about the w.t. all conditions that will be the equal conditions as all other countries so i think they're. both brics that situation will open new opportunities but not close them but what about british opportunities because at the moment it's russia much more. more and twenty seventeen rather than the other way around it's not good for our audience. yet there is a significant rise of british exports to russia it means that opportunities are increasing even for british business such not actually very favorable conditions so
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give me your the rush you're the trade representative of the russian federation and a lot of talk about trade a citizen a t. fin tech you write if you're on a tour that you don't need to we're going to look only on the fact that you want more trade roger miller because the is no big deal in their secretaries or they call them in yes everybody is afraid of russian hackers but actually that is the strong point of the russian economy mathematics id technology is there is this fears of where we can cooperate and not be there with the intellectual trade secretary here liam business doesn't want to export and that doesn't do us any good in other warmer seeming to blame british businesses for not thinking of expanding their horizons when it comes to new business investment opportunities this artistic saw this year shows. the picture very differently the bilateral cooperation is expanding including british export to russia and just
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finally when you see a british businessperson not the big multinationals say i would like to do a deal i found some person to do some business within russia and the russian federation but i'm frightened of that investment because new sanctions could be by them by tourism is government or by the absolutely are you happy to say to them yes you're absolutely right and we have real cases when the people are seizing the negotiations because of this this is the effect of must media and we confiscate it more as ever more thank you thank you so much. well u.k. prime minister tourism a was no way to be seen. at this year's russian british business forum a don't think it was because she was under fire for a multi-billion euro sell out of a brick that or her government's redactions to parliament or her war of tweets with trump she couldn't be there she was off to saudi arabia to word facilitate and challenge arms deals argument threatening tens of millions in yemen with color i've
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been asked to reply on behalf of my right on will find the prime minister who support in the middle east furthering our interests in a region that's fundamental to our national security and prosperity yes the defacto u.k. deputy prime minister currently under an extreme pornography investigation was replace injuries in may the dispatch was unabashed by claims the pm was aiding while challenging the destruction of the poorest country in the middle east the german foreign secretary only thornberry recently in tel aviv defending israel it wasn't yemen on her mind though nor pornography apparently in the first actually looked rather cryptic. turds at my last line of questioning but he does need to worry i really am not going there israel sympathiser thornberry didn't go there as in the extreme born investigation i have services to defectors saudi ally israel preventative and questions about the worst humanitarian crisis in the world and the first secretary of state tell the house how much money do you keep government has received from sales from sony a.t.v. us since the war with yemen began the u.k.
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first secretary didn't know i don't have the figures to hand but i do. the honorable gentleman to recognize the fact first of all that our defense industry as it is extremely important a creator of jobs and prosperity in scotland as well as in other parts of the country and that britain has a rigorous and robust arms sales policy in place as tested in court the s.n.p. wasn't convinced the u.k. government has received four point six billion pounds and cigar so the idea being a sense of what and you haven't begun a war which has created a devastating. humanitarian crisis children in yemen is now on the brink of famine and unicef has said that one hundred fifty thousand children pull down by the end of the show it doesn't go far secretary agree that the best thing that the prime minister can do for the meetings today is follow the example of the woods and
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suspending licenses but arms sales are decided any of them well from his perspective britain is going to go on killing children tourism a says she has un security council backing though and that's it for the show we're back on monday with someone who certainly has a view on the world's greatest humanitarian crisis the award winning journalist and all that john hill judge will be talking about his groundbreaking films to be shown at a retrospective at the british library this month till then conduct by social media will feel many forty eight years today that the us execution squad in chicago children killed a black panther revolutionaries fred hampton the mall clock us authorities would eventually settle for millions of dollars to black panther survivors and relatives . i was born and grew up with it was my home for twenty five years the fire in the four easy to hold it all well. now that was the most heartbreaking thing i've ever
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