tv Cross Talk RT December 18, 2017 11:00pm-11:30pm EST
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media. hello and welcome across the uk we're all things you consider. what was russia gate is now quickly becoming f.b.i. gate who will investigate the investigators also does the u.s. have the real north korea policy and the end of net neutrality and the start of internet apartheid. cross-linking f.b.i. gate i'm joined by my guest albums on your me curious he is a writer on legal affairs as well as the editor in chief of the duran dot com we also have. is a political analyst as well as
a leading expert at the center for actual politics and of course we have dmitri barr bitch is a political analyst with sputnik international rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate your joining us here visiting in moscow and you have a great legal mind as we all know. i think it's fair to say this is f.b.i. kate because it never really was a russian scandal i mean after what eighteen months not a shred of evidence but we have day after day after day enormous amount of collusion bias. inside the inside the f.b.i. i think that's absolutely right they found absolutely nothing after eighteen months of investigation of collusion between russians and the trunk campaign but what we're discovery is that the tram campaign was. surveyed that people were being watched that their e-mails were being read and that that was extreme bias within
the f.b.i. with the senior investigator with the f.b.i. now exposed to be sending extremely anti trunk e-mails with he's a lover who's also an official of the f.b.i. and if that letter struck way indeed absolutely and having discussions about it in the office of the deputy director of the f.b.i. mr mckay who was referred to in the e-mails as an andy or what you know i've said this before on this program people on what. their social media if they want to say the president the united states or canada candidate for the united states presidency trump he's an idiot that's fine with me that's a personal opinion but when you start talking about an insurance policy that's when i start getting concerned because these are unelected officials meddling in the election. and these are these people are supposed to be a politically least nominal p. there is a really high time for
a new church commission to be instituted to investigate the crimes committed and the we wonder why aren't we my only a few hours with the church commissions over the church commission was a commission existed in the seventy's after the water great weather great crisis it was obvious that during watergate and long before it the f.b.i. and other special series a certain kind dr. on the us territory against us citizens that were eagle that were unlawful and there was widespread. feeling of distrust there were towards. be icy and other special seriousness and the church committee was set in the west to carry those crimes and set new standards for how the. oversight and for people don't think you know what to make sure that more violations are campuses of her into the weeds here as you correctly pointed out we see major wally shows by f.b.i.
by the cia more of us law we also see how they almost they regularly intervene into the political process in the united states the interview so they reckon that it's almost unbelievable yet it's warmer it's breathtaking i mean again one can have their personal taste and i did too and i think that's fair game everyone has an opinion here but when they bring it into the office we have this case of bruce or his wife or high official in the f.b.i. his wife is working in a fusion g.p.s. where this all of this started from this salacious dossier and his wife was over there yes and then that's not disclosed to the public to see actually didn't even explode tell his boss at the f.b.i. that he had meetings with christopher steele i mean if that isn't collusion then we have to find another word because this is just outrageous europe. actually if we look at these whole presidential election why is no one investigating the cases
when our barman quite publicly said these guys will not be elected the president of the united states i assure you he said to g seven leaders wasn't that interference internet action by the acting president but talking about the f.b.i. all grizzlie f.b.i. when they interrogated flynn they had the transcript or here's a group or station with the best the senate so what they did was really ugly the court hearing on the deviations obviously he did not record his going to a conversation he did not remember it because he was on vacation who knows he was probably on the beach drinking pina colada he needn't take any notes. say something about his qualifications for former or you that's kind of the defense intelligence agency to to get into that situation see something about his qualifications but i'm sorry to interrupt you know the very fact that the american media openly discusses the deep state in the american president also rates but into his twitter it already
calls for investigation of the role of the u.s. security services basically if we will this situation where michael flynn pleaded guilty for lying for lying to answer i well it all reminds me of stalinist logic you know under the machines start in spring a star prosecutor during the short trails he said that confession is the queen of proof think we know where it ends and so what we have here is all there are a liberal media in the us you know just bureau you know by him pleading guilty that is just logic yes he pleaded guilty has nothing easy you would expect him to do with justice because i don't want to waste our time on this but if you go to the hillary e-mail scandal how many people lied to the f.b.i. when you are not held to you know what's the thing that's really interesting is that so much of what we're learning. is happened before the election and i have the
impression that all these high f.b.i. officials were so confident that trump would win that they became very complacent bringing their bias right into the office into n.d.'s office ok because the the they could not conceive that the american people would choose differently and then what i'm sure of there is still. struck character apparently there's a lot more messages to read well this is it the there was an intelligence agency or intelligence community which interfered in the us election it was not the russian intelligence community it was the intelligence community of the united states and then when the wrong result. they had to somehow conceal that so they intensified their interference we have more surveillance of the trump transition team we have the entrapment because i have no hesitation in calling it that of michael flynn we have this whole investigation that's been launched with
special counsel it's really interesting and. michael morrell the former acting director of the cia came out in told us susan glasser over at politico sensually meeting that there was a ball. and how they dealt with the election of president and he's very transparent and this of the highest ranking cia official to come out and talk about this and he and i and i think he made a big mistake if you showed his bias before the election ok he which was remarkable for so many people here at the. very open here is generally somebody who is pretty open about what he thinks for especially for an intelligence officer. remind you that he is the one spoken. sure that no longer exists for unknown reasons that. should be killed secretly for for what russia is going to do is.
be for fighting isis. so yes it's not surprising that he is so put there by that but the thing is that the and not quitting the intelligence community is going on with the another bout to quit and the do you want to see it the president of the united states illness but that gentleman all three of you that this is turning into a constitutional crisis yes i think it is a constitutional crisis and a very profound what the biggest the united states is faced certainly. in january we had a program if i remember correctly titled. a coup d'etat in this century i think victory means that i think you have the right but it's very disturbing they can't reverse this proves i said in my introduction who'll investigate the investigators did congress have the guts to step up and perform their constitutional role i don't think they did i don't think so either because congress has just passed an
act which allows to do night and it's to interfere into private affairs and on russian citizens the pasternak that requires the u.s. government and trump to make reports on the business deals on the connections between the russian businessmen and president putin between high placed russian officials and their relatives or they are acquainted abroad a whole report on their property abroad all the property of them relate to your lists of laughable about their demons and you let me just do it very early on it certainly you know what i think laughable about that is that what are the congressmen going to be made to list what lobbyists they meet every single day how much money they take from them there is no accountability when it comes to law being here there was foreign countries interfering in the american election it was we. we know it's all the work and we know who it was exactly but i mean there is
not any of that sort of a lot accountability nor will i think in the end will that be anything like the church commission that you were talking about the things i was talking about what they do sort of because it's so dangerous i mean it would be it would be able to since i don't know what's going to happen here gentlemen because public confidence is eroding very very quickly i mean i came across a poll under a few hours ago fifty four percent of americans don't trust the special prosecutor right now because of perceived conflicts of interest or not perceived the very real go ahead picture and. they're paradox of this is that the more they try to stitch this together that there are less they can do it because the more people get thrown into their skin these scandals the more problems there are for the american political establishment so if this is a situation where there are steps they take next it's going to be even worse and of with the could be you know we can actually expect one next year. to say me
constitutional means now like possibly forcing it to i'm sure there is going to be an attempt to force him to resign without the full blown impeachment process and the. twenty put them in original english up in here we're going to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion of some real news with our team.
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welcome back to cross talk or all things considered i'm peter were discussing some real news. ok before we switch gears to net neutrality dimmy want to finish up on what i'm calling f.b.i. gate well when you ask me if i expect an investigation of what's going on in the near future know why because the united states is in fact ruled by that alternate world know hebrew ideology and you expect this to investigate itself but there were kids. in history when to tell you terry and regimes had their past misdeed
investigated the who shore four after ma died in china but for that to happen you have to have real casualties inside the elite so that part of the woodwork to negate it seems that has not yet happened hasn't happened yet i mean i don't know any people who like to use the phrase the low lying fruit but we have really high ranking people are they going to sacrifice one as proof or maybe somebody struck i mean we're going to get rid of somebody here to be the fall guy for all this because it's not careful a whole thing is going to collapse what is awful is there no one is immune joined question and might be a jewel and for israel but he's also not in you so that they can everyone in their crosshairs and that's a situation that no illegal why because it looks like it's going to be a mutually assured slaughter and sit in there where it's going in russia in russia when was barry arrested where the guys in the ported bureau simply got tired of hearing him you know they were all under cost and threat so they decided to
terminate this situation here but i'm not sure that the united states is also going to get them going. when it's not because they go into the army he started to accuse generals and that was enough enough was enough and that's what mccarthyism basically ended but the but we're still far away from the. ok. net neutrality how big of a story is coming out of the f.c.c. because i think it's been under reported and and i look at a cross the u.s. and people say this is a republican gambit there's a lot of red states that don't want to see their internet. home filled with fear i mean it's i don't know and we the united states and the west they like to think of themselves as democratic the only thing that's democratic now is access to the internet that's endangered i think that's exactly right i think it is a huge story because the internet. it is now becoming increasingly the vehicle people are turning to to get their news they're not taking it from the mainstream
the old traditional media so the way this net neutrality could work is that we could see the invasion into the one remaining free space of the apparatus that is now controlling the rest of the media the ideology that dimitri was talking about so i think this is a huge story idea that there's any understanding of it amongst most people i did see not because it was written in russia russia russia russia russia russia i mean look at that look at didn't look at the cable stations in the u.s. i mean exception of fox they this was very very much under reported i mean you had rachel maddow saying it's important it's this is it significant but nobody on the left wanted to go there don't know why he did look it was only a matter of time when the freedom in internet space with and really remember the ninety years i was in school back there on the internet was just
starting to remember the boards and the car would progress to work and it was a new medium where tourist you can now you can do a lot of people you know. twenty years ago where there was limited news coverage there now everybody is there even more so. to some degree than in the print media so now of course everyone understands the need the american elites the west and it's understand that either the control or the internet or the limit the exodus of their populations to to news that they do not like to information is really you know i'd like you were that you did that endless you know down little you know trying to download the you know rain for it on exams or exam the odds are not and they also know that yes some people will use you know dark net and other you know sure. to get more information but they also know that most people are not going to
go that far because only a few people take so much time and effort now to get that information most people know you don't have access to that site no longer shows up so we can also go there so what we did and that's what we have twitter. limiting expression we have facebook look i know that personally ok google and now we have this but it's a you know i always look at these things you know do people think about the ultimate consequences because they're destroying the internet in the to take control of it they're willing to destroy it first they destroyed their traditional media and the more they destroy the internet it's quite all digital in the way all to tell it area regimes evolve but actually you know when i read the traditional media i am a subscriber to new york times newsletter and when the main use cases on the wanted to sing and to talk i thought they would have called plenty of bridging of their i was working which is new though. if the traditional media is busy with this stuff
then it's all good natured all the people turn to internet which is only more the version of the room and we all sometimes you know it's nature all that people believe in rumors when they distrust or have reasons to distrust the traditional media so what we see is a major epic failure of the traditional media that many people turn to the internet and then the state clones dot on internet saying that we want it to be a neutral which means not critical you know what they want to do they want to make sure everybody watches c.n.n. m.s.m. b c sees the washington post sees the new york times and makes us and is invisible and broadly we're going to try and argue we really want to make sure that the internet looks like the american means exactly that and so i think we have to be very happy that's why they're so mad that our g.m. split because they don't they're not true with wheels we want to report confront facts so they could want to. users have been the romeo and that's why they accuse
us of been propagandized tools and that's why they quit dull so hard on r.g.p. simply because it's either mainstream media or it just was ok the future resume i would say of the secretary of state rex tillerson because again the white house has pulled the rug from under his feet he was saying that the u.s. was open to negotiations with the north koreans which they should that would be the logical thing to do without preconditions and then it's pulled back you see a million again is that it's just more about to listen that it is about north korea what is beginning to wonder because of a diplomat which is what mr to listen is supposed to be is there to talk and to talk to the other side and this is the obvious thing to do and yet he's been criticized for saying this and one has to wonder whether there's any real interest in the united states in actually settling the north korean issue but what this is but what does this send to the north koreans what does this send to the region ok this is i think this is this talk about destabilizing what if we're talking about
north korea what it says to them is that this is not nobody wants to talk to us they want to threaten us instead because we're getting all these threatening sounds out of the united states and the one person who is talking about negotiation seems to be in political trouble so increase. your nuclear program accelerate your ballistic missile program because negotiators on the one hand the secretary of state murders he can he kind of push back on the whole threatening the north korean missile program is tramp's approach to north korea's very is not constructive at all and. where are we from now he's going to make this usually even a worse if he keeps on making direct threats against north korea and i guess it's the other and not acting on them then the. he's going to look more and more like a beggar in that. just think there is a few young but in the eyes of the entire pacific region that there is of the
entire international community including american allies in the ija and japan south korea others now if actually attempts military aggression against north korea this is going to lead to a regional geopolitical catastrophe with mass casualties in south korea in japan in north korea possibly in other countries possibly even russia. and we ask let's hope none of this happens or in mass casualties among american personnel and civilians living in south korea mind you that there are more than twenty thousand american soldiers and officers stationed in south korea plus me more civilians with the u.s. passports that live in south korea and we knew that in seoul there could be destroyed yes destroyed the only fear is to have such action so do listen of course somebody who. espouses classical american foreign policy approaches of course he
can't agree to that just as he could not agree to moving to. get us capital so he will get one actually he will and you've been predicting this we'll see if it's going to come true. i think this will go back to ideology. in the problem with the us foreign policy approach here is that if you negotiate it's deemed as a piece made in this is screwed up because this is not what diplomacy use diplomacy is i give a little bit and you give a little bit of a result and we talk and we talk in this is the problem is that if you negotiate it's considered weakness and appeasement and this is not the way it should work or . this is a more general problem or u.s. foreign policy they can't talk to anyone anymore is just involved in sanctions or threatening military action you know george bush jr was accused of sending f. sixteen s instead of emails but i feel nostalgic for him. because he when he was less belligerent in his voice and if i did you know you would have been rapidly
running out of time here but the add to what demon just said there is do we have a commander in chief that's actually the commander in chief see this this is what and that's another layer well this is the problem because i don't think we do i mean we've got a commander in chief who is under political see in washington and who doesn't want to pay a week because politically he's going to be very dangerous for him to be appear weak because as dana says eight the united states in its foreign policy has no reverse gear it cannot go it's a very good race and so every member of the do you. want me to mine isn't all the way people are driven to suicide but be serious that's how people are driven to suicide be serious shortly if you are serious about your intentions but it's so stupid dangerous and the for the tragedy career don't say that only trump is to blame i'm sure people media would say it's just crazy drum no
a bomber destroyed a lot of institutions and he introduced this style of diplomacy ok demon would run out of time here many thanks to my guests here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel so you would next time and remember ross topples. played for many clubs over the years so i know the game inside. football isn't only about what happens on the pitch pull the funnel school it's about the passion from
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