careers sent us the kremlin mediocrity if you will the worst of the worst people who were rejected from other career fields because they couldn't function in leadership positions pilots were moved into drones because they were medically unfit to fly their aircraft they either couldn't fail they couldn't be aircraft commanders or squadron leaders so they were shoved into the program there were very few people that actually volunteered to be in this program that were of any actual worth as human beings so this type of society i guess within the military culture is sick and degraded and. you know they're actually looked down upon by. aircraft people who actually fly aircraft because we're flying remotely they get away or flight suits it's a mess the whole thing's a mess what is and writing laying people in there to fill positions because they don't need qualified it's like three months now it's like. just hot just to cayle
or are they supposed to be able to tell one to pull the trigger and one just a stealth. oh no ok so we're we're told we're told that you know we get the time to look at our target to make the discernment of whether we get to kill him or not but the reality is that if you refuse to pull the trigger they're just going to take someone out of the seat and put someone in the seat that's going to pull it for them anyway and how the training works is you feel we're flying over the net at a desert and we're looking at rocks and then they're saying hey we're going to pretend this rock over here is an enemy shine your laser at this enemy ok three two one rifle sixteen seconds time flight alright missile splashes enemy is killed you just won the war on terror let's pack up and go home it's just a bunch of imagination that doesn't actually accomplish anything other than to teach people basic toddler skills of hand eye coordination now i wear out that the operator schedules are pretty tough on that most of time like you just spend
hours looking at nothing now what's the messed up sleep cycles and boredom how sharp are the operators when the time actually comes to make a crucial decision. well this is kind of where the people that i used to work with are pissed off at me because they expose the mental difficulties that we were having you know we flew in my squadron eleven and a half hour days because we couldn't fly longer than the required crew rest according to air force regulations and in a sense many of us broke crew rest because we had to do office work or even some of us couldn't sleep i was one of those people that couldn't sleep so i really stopped sleeping and i did this thing called the easy man sleep schedule where you sleep every twenty minutes for four every four hours for twenty minutes and really screwed me up physically i was tired all the time i was exhausted we had people drinking and we had this one guy who got into a car accident and rolled his vehicle after drinking and he used the excuse that he
was just tired from work and he got away with it it's just a mess like that people in this way. world are incredibly messed up and they refuse to look at themselves in the problems that are going on with them and addressing them and then there is of course to million dollar question i mean you have firsthand experience of directing war hastur the desired of justice thomas are thrown strikes really that precise and surgical well if you're looking at accuracy of where the missile can hit and yes if you're looking at the intelligence behind it and how they discern what information that we're given and what targets are correct and no. in fact this is what we call a secret compartmentalised information the three letter agencies that are working as the customer behind the scenes don't really give the people that work that swing the metaphorical sword the information all the information so they tell us where to
swing the sword but when they go wrong in the wrong people are killed we're the ones that get blamed because they had all the intel and. it's it's just a big blame game prendre where does a drone operators in toll count from who is giving you the instruction as how console jersey shore the information is on point i mean does everybody ever questioned it. i know well people don't question it because it that's why it's compartmentalize there's all sorts of different pieces of the puzzle and none of the pieces are actually talking to one another except for what's required knowledge is the modern currency and so like dragons they hoard this currency and only divvy it out whatever they think is necessary for them to complete their mission and get more of that currency it's it's like a it's a weird kind of cycle. and it doesn't really get anywhere especially with agencies who have this rivalry with one another and they argue back and forth over
who is the better person or who's the better agency or who's cooler and instead of actually getting the mission done and accomplishing it and finding an end game for the whole thing where they had a short break right now and we'll be back with brendan bryant former trelane operator in the u.s. air force talking about they have a toll of drone warfare state. president because he has case this story about and will continue in the price reaches some equilibrium point let's call it a hundred thousand proclaim or you'll be seeing it more used as a medium of exchange some point that becomes a unit of account as things are priced in bitcoin as money disappears.
still seemed wrong all wrong just don't call. me. yet to stamp out disdain become educated and in danger of it equals betrayal. when something find themselves worlds apart. just to look for common ground. i went back to have brandon bryant former pro an operator was thank you us air for a socket about the implications of drone warfare no brainer if you're
a save intel documenting terrorist but you look at the screen and saying they aren't terrorists as most in most cases what this actually down to faulty intelligence or using drone operators are being deliberately misled. that's kind of another part of the compartmentalize thing like they only give us the information that we need in order to give them the best picture possible and to swing the sword again the metaphorical sword so we we can look at a person and they'll say follow this person or strike this person we don't get any more detail than that really we can but the details don't matter and we're not really sure the sources or anything. though we are being told that sources come from to put places either signals intelligence imagery intelligence or human intelligence we're not the ones that interact with that information how are they
it's extra judicial killings justified legally is it ok to kill someone on suspicion just because you're at war and can the war on terror be used in an instant or redefine your enemy to keep in those legal parameters. this is this is where we get into the grounds of legality versus morality you know the nazis everything that they did was legal to them slavery united states everything was legal the genocide of native americans in my country was legal right so where we have to come to the point is like where is the moral boundary that we want to draw the line at and that something that shouldn't be left to the law the law is just a framework for us to play in not black and white yes or no in every case is different i don't think that we should utilize any sort of technology or glorified any technology that to use lies to kill another human being we still need to see
these people as humans not as demons because there's a reason why these people are angry and they're hateful it's not because of anything other than we've created this monster ourselves and we've become the monster that they hate now of civilian deaths as a result of drone strikes hit us held responsible the drone operator or the commander who gives the order or the intelligence guys. really know when inside holds each other accountable if someone screws up then they just get a slap on the wrist and everything's ok and that's why you would see in the past when long strike happened someone like obama or brennan would blame the operators themselves for things that are gone wrong rather than the intelligence that was given because the cia and all these other agencies that are out there they don't want to take responsibility they just want to point fingers at other people and place the blame on others because they're perfect they don't make mistakes it's the
operators that make mistakes and that's actually one of the reasons i started speaking out was because the operators were just soldiers and while just following orders is is not a good excuse to do it we're not the ones that have ultimate responsibility in this though we do have responsibility in what we do to help morris fossil and more traumatized over your experience than say soldiers who serve in the artillery and why is that i mean they launch missiles into war zones they have feelings what's so different about being a drone operator. well here's where you get into close combat scenarios versus distant killing and if we really want to take a look at it violence and sex affect the same part of the human brain in the exact same way and hand to hand combat is as intimate as you could possibly get with someone but as you increase the distance from long range assault rifles or small
arms fire and you get into artillery you cease actually seeing a human target and you see actual like target locations or target buildings and you forget about the human being that's a part of it and if we look at something like world war two in the bombing of dresden a lot of those guys they just pushed bombs out of their aircraft and were just hitting targets but when they saw the devastation that they caused in the human beings that suffered many of them were institutionalized then and the instances of p.t.s.d. amongst those people were severe and where it comes from a difference between an artillery operator and a drone operator in oh we see our victims in fact when we fire a missile the missile sonic booms about one point two seconds after it comes off the rail and as the kinetic energy is lost through the missile the sonic boom hits the target first so we actually see the reaction of the target before missile strikes and i think that does something to a human being and i'm speaking from experience and reflection rather than any sort
of higher intelligence so. you know you can draw your own conclusions in this but really what it comes down to is seeing how people react in a very human way knowing that they're about to die and then killing them from with the finger of god from half a world away is it's a really disturbing feeling and i would say that. you know trauma is different across the board where soldiers on the ground they experience trauma like an earthquake or a volcano erupting well we experience trauma as a form of erosion of our self in a very definitive sense and even though it's a it might be a slower process it is very effective in degrading who we feel like we should be though here i have sad that you were on islamic states hit list as well as to hit lists of a right wing group in the united states what makes a drone operator
a target for extremes at home and abroad. see this is the strange thing is like i was told that i was on the isis hit list by the f.b.i. an off air force office of special investigations and i'm not sure how true that is because i hope that people who see what i'm doing i'm trying to bridge build a bridge between us so that we can come to an end game solution and stop killing one another and this comes from a guy who did it who has like who has made very grevious mistakes and i think that the people back home who hate me you know they don't want to see anything other than the fear that they're being told so they're just a bunch of idiots who want to be idiots and even though i'm the guy with the experience and i'm the guy that has done the reflection and i've done the work in order to get this information out there they still think that i'm a traitor well i can also say that the left called me a monster so i'm not getting any praise from any group anywhere except for the
people who are actually you know doing the reflection in the jobs and trying to come up with a solution for this issue and i think that people who just want to be violent they're just going to want to be violent and they're just stupid you know any idiot can kill another idiot it takes a better person to stop hurting another person has that's where love and kindness come and that's where all these things are supposed to be utilized is that you give love to someone when they're unlovable you're kind to someone when they're not kind to you it's easy to be kind and loving to someone who's kind and loving to you but it's really takes something special in a lot of effort to give that to people that are not you don't think are worthy of it now the boston marathon bomber. as well as. attempt at a car bombing in times square back in two thousand and ten justify their criminal actions with civilian casualties from american drone strikes in the middle east.
the stroke war has produced more terrorists than it has killed actually of course it's produced more terrorists than it has killed like what how how are like the a lot of these cultures over there warrior cultures they feel they face their opponents on the battlefield i i grew up as a wrestler like and i know that in iran at least you know wrestling is a sacred sport it's fact it's the world's oldest sport so there is a sense of honor in accomplishment with being able to face your opponent on the battlefield and even if you're beaten there is still a sense of honor but when we're utilizing a technology that no one can fight back they're going to have to try to find a way to punish us punish us in the sense that they feel is necessary even though they're wrong i don't agree with anything that they're doing and it and but they're responding in a way that they don't feel like they can respond and that's the cycle of violence
violence only begets violence you know right now a trial is guided by operators and where one of the lobbyist said what could the technology be fully automated i mean believe there will be robots that can kill humans. of course when i was in geneva actually. i was the only american that showed up to this conference of where they're determining the laws that they're going to create for autonomy it's warfare and one of the guys that was a proponent of autonomy this warfare says that you know robots can kill people better than people can because there's no emotion and i really thinking as someone who's done it do we really want thoughtless and emotional things that are able to just kill any human being's life indiscriminately and that's a question that is for the people and that is something that we need to be considered because no matter what technology that we use against someone else that
technology can always be reversed and used against us and that is the balance of things that's the cycle so i understand that you are not against drones as a till but you say that there you should be transparent how can this be possible when you are a war i mean keeping information classified may mean thousands of lives saved. and that's a that's a that's one of the things that people are confused about where we have this possibility of things but the reality of the situation is that lives are being ended when someone comes to mean be like well think about all the american lives that you say well that's that's that's an invisible number that's imaginary you know if we if people want concrete actual fact i can tell you i have killed thirteen people with missile strikes and there are one thousand six hundred and twenty six unnamed enemies that were killed in all the missions that i completed and i know that i know that for a fact and i know each of these persons was a human being they had
a family they had friends they had lives and we ended them the possibilities are endless when you come to the reality of things and i'm not going to rely on a possibility when the actual evident truth of these technologies being abused is sitting right in front of our goddamn faces. thanks for this amazing interview. truly amazing interview i wish you all the best. were talking to grant and brian to use to slide drones for the u.s. air force discussing their rise and use of drones by the u.s. military and the dangers implications of long distance warfare and that's it for this edition of sets and costs the next time.
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and of course the world cup would mean very little without the found the soon been looking to russia from all over the world we caught up with a tournament newcomer and big iceland son who shared his excitement with us. this is fantastic i mean russia has surprised us all by its hospitality and how everything is easy and. hello and welcome to ask eyeline studio here in central moscow i take my trip and i am alexy you are shaft you today's matches have finished there has been more lay drama switzerland came from behind to beat serbia two goals to one and has been
plenty of action and talking points throughout the day and to break it all down for you we cannot cross live to neil harvey and be just like oh he says that studio i want you guys. many thanks stops he knows the ladies pretty cold feet in st petersburg when the big day next year he said he's feeling it the things have really been heating up in the can't be action and the third and final match of the day i save you can switzerland fantastic match to some fellow switzerland won it so you all fantastic in the form of a space i i think this is one of the best games we've seen so fine sense of excitement and action it was very much. stuff in serbia they started off really well they had a massive massive chance of each had a free had it within four minutes and it was a great save by gun somewhere in there and this was. when you think i was swiss would have been have been won by that but no the next minute exactly the same thing
happened but this time mitchell rich put the ball in the back of the net souls with serbia was one nil up and then it just started to go into and switzerland very slowly got into the game and here we are here we actually see this is the goal and it is a great headed by me troops but. cheer should have been warned the second time in a minute but he's letting the truth having it having to have a header and in that close off. switch that had an awful lot of the ball didn't seem to be able to put an end product on it serbia looked to have more of a cutting edge to completely turned around in the second half it seems that some just got stronger and stronger as serbia is as they are losing tonight but they're not a bad team trust me and that they have a very very well organized they were a little bit. to play that little bit too hard for the referee is like in the first three midfield players good book and the manager had to react and take one of them
off because that was sort of in the balance he was just about leaning up against and second yellow card and to play ten against eleven against a team like switzerland and that's no dream for. anyone so they set back a little bit they say they were not pushing it as much as they pat and switzerland which in my opinion is a really really good and very solid team with you can argue that sheikh here is a big star but apart from that they're all really good players on the very same some sort of stardom level and they started to play as a team and we saw that in the first game as well against brazil. they couldn't be rattled and today again they just kept going plucking away eventually they got the equalising goal and what a goal that was by the way a shocker from the from moscow who hasn't had a great secure has a shot now look at this for a finish now you would think the goalkeeper should of saying that. all of us come
through a crowd that has gone through a crowd and. that was from that from the shaquille shot the way was blocked it had so much spin on the ball so when shaq a head it he hit it with a spin so the ball actually curved away from the goalkeeper and through a crowd of people he couldn't see. and the ball actually got stuck in the net and the t.v. cameras didn't really pick that up but i thought it looked a bit odd and i looked at the slow motion and it did so and that the net actually called around the ball that's almost how much spin there was on the ball and that no one i mean no goalkeeper would have saved that i was finished that and from that moment on switzerland they were on top they were thinking we can win this game it wasn't that big a surprise was it because they have the ninth and they seem to have more energy and even with just the last five minutes to go we're talking about it you felt at this point switzerland could still grab the winner and they did just that they did the last five minutes of the nineteenth they were putting so much pressure on them so
against the second team looked a little bit tired then this happened this instead of ninety minutes here which is in switzerland they say he is that biggest. you know you wouldn't want anyone else to have that chance and he put it the way to one and there are still six minutes to play that game and the drama just kept going you know it was it was really a fantastic game of football just you got all the electrons down and she got a booking for that she cared for taking is it sheer took his shirt off yeah if it works but if it was i was in a great site that would be for given that the president it's not a great idea if he then gets booked in then it's it's you know in a tournament like this and you know it's a book about the feds it's a silly thing to do let's assume switzerland they go through to the next stage and next stage again and get a book look at a book in the next game so you get into the last sixteen with with obviously the u.s. biggest star not playing that game that that's
a bit silly and i think the manager will have words if this is not the prime minister the pundits me go the league. but the french league this is where you have to i think it's accumulating five booking from all your first suspension this is two yellow cards and then you don't play the next one you could play you could take that decision but they have to get three first and how we start going out for a wonderfully set a great for the final set of matches now i mean from three essentially said we're going to have to beat brazil now to go three switch women like that options are going to cost the recount and it's just really nicely set up i have to say i'm very very neutral about the teams that are not denmark and so i was kind of rooting for switzerland to win this game because i wanted the scenario i wanted facility to play serbia where one team has full four and the other one has three four and then i once would sort of to play costa rica costa rica i know they've got zero points but they're not a bad team and i think it's not really
a reflection on the quality of the costa rican team this is just a tough group and want to really want is for game day three in this group to be very. very exciting and boy do we have excitement we turn to three hundred simon all day and he specially in the group d. actually nigeria against iceland now they're very popular my slender one a lot of fans and there was a lot of confidence i think from their own supporters going into this going to get to nigeria but it was a surprise let's check out the action this was the first sculpture and it was from auckland forty nine minutes after the forty seconds rule. and then only days and you know what i loved about i could reason this much talk about calm on the ball some people you know may have snatched an opportunity he was playing like it was a training game with his fantasies that finished this just goal actually could end up being top three and in the in the championship i think it was i mean credible
goal the cross came from victim moses it was kind of high for him a lot of strikers would have died stifle in the head of that just put his leg up so this guy took the ball down and very calmly volleyed into the top corner i thought of puta for goal and quite a surprise i have to say for the first four moves who are who is on loan here in moscow he's been playing all season for sarsgaard moscow he's four months out he was booked good moscow last about is and he scored six goals in ten games he seems to like playing in russia and he's turned it on for the he has turned up because he scored the second goal as well. at this point you obviously thought iceland can still get back into this base was a bit well in the call for big draw and not getting most of their ice then was awarded a penalty again this was a wagner session the referee didn't think it was a penalty the players appeal to the referee to call too long. and this is where we
were actually showing the second goal now very calmly again. you know a long ball up he took a very good first charge and then obviously one of those one with a goalkeeper it was a need. most recent seventy five minutes he actually hit the crossbar as well as who's pretty close to getting a hat trick there was a late son of a rallying cry from ice and as he said the penalty so this was a case of. yeah actually players kind of appeal to the reference of going to look at it again and it was a penalty there's no doubt about that calling from the line then then then he when he saw it from the from the proper angle saw that it was a penalty and gave iceland be at the pound you k. now a little bit of christian criticism to the referee then he's a little bit confused about the whole thing and it took him forever absolutely for ever to get the penances shot and. sequences he gets in the after he had actually left the ball on the spot straightaway before the fall.