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even a normal person should do that but. should never do that they can make it choose from trot. boris johnson and tommy robbers think it was boris johnson. in public. exposure who do you think could have said something like that somebody didn't think people well i'll give you some options try boris johnson or tommy robinson. sounds like the judge. is actually boys johnson. was actually worse johnson guys. not really rational for him to say that but that's a terrible thing to say but if you were to get. anything he says. for anyone to say that especially someone position that's that's even worse well some do say that the timing of johnson's comments is no accident as he seeks to
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shore up support among hard line conservatives meanwhile the issue of muslim body coverings has been much debated in europe recently with some countries including denmark and france imposing a complete ban on full face veils others germany among them of only imposed partial bans for example whilst driving. time now for the second in a series of reports on the fate of russian families who moved to syria to join islamic state parties medina courtin ever traveled to sudden russia to talk to a woman sentenced to eight years in prison on terrorism charges after she followed her husband to syria. the clock is ticking on its current life sentenced to eight years behind bars for being part of an illegal armed group she won't actually go to jail until her youngest child turns fourteen and she's only one right now less than twelve months
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ago her life was old very different i was twenty nine when i left i went to turkey first with my husband i never thought i would end up there. within seven months as i did that was living in syria and pregnant with her third child she says her husband had been drawn to islam and a better life. he told me it was safe to go there he said it wasn't how it was being shown there was no bombing he said no war but the reality turned out to be far more spin anything on t.v. they lived for two years in the city of topic which at the times was under isolates control than they moved to rocca and she spent every day living in feet. even my girl knew she was only eight years old but she could tell the difference
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what was coming and american her kids explain a fighter jet drone she could tell by the sound of it. where they hiding yes well they either went downstairs or just simply stayed at home i took them out into the hole and we laid on the floor so that any shrapnel wouldn't hit us zagat had struggles to share her story she tries to stay emotionally distant from the past and speaks quietly rarely looking into the camera she says she wanted to return home right from the start i told my husband that i want to go back that i couldn't live but the moment i started talking about it we had fights he told me if you want to leave leave but i will not let you take the kids away i. you know he was able to do that he had that sort of character and i was afraid later on when they were living and rock her husband was killed in a drone strike leaving it all alone with three children i started looking for ways to get out but it's not that easy you can't just leave that place it all has to be
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done in secret there are people that can sell you out trick i only talk to those who i knew well and one day i was told that there was this wrote that there was a way out. that claims she had no way dia the life she was leading would leave her on the wrong side of russia's anti terror laws. i stayed at home all the time i had my children i had no time for anything else i was at home taking care of my kids. she was one of the seven women and fourteen children brought back to russia in the autumn twenty seventeen as part of a companion organized by chechen officials to repaginate the families of men who went to fight with islam make terrorists. i am very grateful to everyone who helped launch this campaign to save many women and children. but while they were lucky to escape from the war in syria upon arrival in grozny she was detained by police
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three months later she was convicted and sentenced for being part of an illegal armed group. and while the law she broke is designed to help thwarted terror attacks some people argue that family members of radicalized individuals should not be targeted. these people need rehabilitation they need to be close to their family members under the care of their mothers they're under huge dress and prison will not help them it will only meet the more harsh i believe it's wrong to put them behind bars for now thank you that leaves with her mother in dagestan she has to report. the police every month can't leave the region it's difficult for both her and her brother to find work if they're on the official police list it means they all have to get by on their mother's small salary as a post office worker despite all this. she's just happy to see her children.
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i was literally suffering there because i was unable to provide food for my children he told me constantly mom we are hungry they were climbing. and now he says let's go to the man you know around let's go to the seaside now we go everywhere don't do now we're going everywhere. mom is hard and so my lovely. dagestan. well with the question of how to treat the wise advice will fight is proving to be so divisive we put the issue up for debate shouldn't be allowed to return home they have left the safety of this country and gun fights with. whatever you want to call them should not be allowed back into this country one of their going to don't want to come back here you know we've got enough people in our prisons now radicalized in our yoav if you brick
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a law especially criminal laws in england. and you break it somewhere you can actually charge but that charge actually to stand in court they're not responsible for the action that their husbands or their or their kids or their son that took. as a terrorist this is not their responsibility their made that decision now just says that they went out there didn't know what they were going out that show didn't know what the harshman just go in there is out so ridiculous there was radicalize they've got out there if the culture that they're in at the moment has a better sense and so be it that's up to them but we cannot just charge anyone because we look we think. she what he was she was a wife who she knew about everything she could not make a decision some of them were soldiers some of the recruit yes we agree on this but let's differentiate between an instant and being who is who has been a terrorist and who's been a criminal this is very critical because we want to go to the cycle of violence of the. lives of his age women had on their own to not know what's there make their
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own decisions on life please tell me what they chose men said so their wives where there was going what you went out shopping what you were not. a holiday there much the child i mean i just you know where i am not sure not exactly what was going on are i give an example he tells his wife we go into a trip the whole day to turkey ok this is where this whole the thought yeah times we're going to a trip holiday to turkey to south of turkey in turkey you are stuck we're going to syria why because this is what islam is asking us to this is what we have to fight you are my wife you have to listen to me if not i will divorce you and you have no papers how are you going to turn back home if you take your wife to rocco or places like this and you tell her take you passport away from you how are you going to turn home to sleep my wife or i are not going to build a manager or a part of my wife behind that brain and i would not allow that. then made that decision now to say that they went out there didn't know what they were going out that show didn't know what the husband was door and ridiculous there was
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radicalized they've gone out that if the culture that they're in at the moment has a death sentence so be it that's up to them they have made that decision they've gone out there we do not want these people back here debate we had here earlier and i say we're going to take a quick break we'll be back in two minutes. you know world big partisan mob and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever
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we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. join me every thursday on the alex i'm unsure and i'll be speaking to us on the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. hello again that has been ten years since the war between georgia and russia broke after georgia or attacked the tone of this region of the setia back in two thousand and eight the russian army intervened and after five days of violence and fourteen hundred civilian deaths
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a cease fire agreement was reached and russian troops remain in the region to this day acting as peacekeepers although the u.s. sees it as an occupation. our position on the russian occupied georgia regions of. and also south ossetia is unwavering that remains unwavering today the regions are part of georgia they are not part of russia and the united states continues to support josh georgia's sovereignty its independence and also its territorial integrity or despite western politicians blaming russia the fact finding mission established that georgia was the one that initiated the conflict but it also insists too that both sides violated international rule in a new documentary we recall the most tragic moments of the war here's a quick preview you can watch it in full later. that's right that's.
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just some of the gripes you got to have. your. story. natural somewhere you go yeah. you know you're sort of the solution to this because her little sister was. only seems down. the street she's all of the. machine. at. the last. ready to get your movie collection. set up. on the on eat that i. got people to get in order to feel well this is a good thing you know i'm going to. difficult at all. you're in the
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mainstream media they reported that rush started the conflict and said nothing about soccer surely opening fire on the night of the beginning of the olympics in beijing a couple years after the war i believe that eventually other countries would learn to recognize that georgia was at fault in this war especially after the european commission came out and said that georgia started the war and i was very disappointed that they didn't well as you heard there were seen as the fighting did break out the western media immediately jumped to conclusions. georgia's president says russia is attacking his country dropping bombs and moving tanks into georgian territory russia's attacks keep coming to surprise georgia saying it's withdraw from self a city or the georgians can do nothing. moscow's actions illustrate its contempt
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for the condemnation and criticism. i want you to know who to blame for all of the conflict that said mr saakashvili who started this morning and mr saakashvili who is going to end the two thousand people are peeled you know one day i guess what i would tell you that fortunately a commercial break will take us there in four seconds whether we do i mean i know that you don't want to hear. some twenty minutes drive from solve a city and the russian troops he. is sitting there not grasping the ministry to border. the u.s. senate intelligence committee has sent a letter to judy in the santa inviting him to testify on the alleged russian
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meddling in america's twenty sixteen presidential elections let's get more details now with don if he joins me in the studio just go through them what exactly was in the letter so well it's a very short letter where the u.s. side is basically inviting julian aside to testify in front of the u.s. congress regarding well in sort of in the framework of this narrative of the allegations of russia's interference in the twenty sixteen presidential election now just to clarify it from the outset it is not an extradition request in fact the way this letter is worded it says that this testimony that this hearing could go in a mutually agreeable location it's a quote. so we don't know whether or not the one you learn to stand on the u.s. soil or if they could do it via broadband for example skype or if they're willing indeed to come to london to the quid or an embassy there where julian assange is currently well he's staying for the past few years now so just to get that out of the way it is not an extradition request but more of an inquiry as to what julian
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has to say in regards of the meddling shorts so why would they think then that could help them in their investigation into russia's alleged actions well according to the investigators in this whole russian meddling ploy they believe what they so far seem to believe is that. eleven russian intelligence officers is somehow manage to the service of the democratic national committee and got some sensitive files out of there were those people have already been indicted by the military being the chief investigator there and then according to them those russian intelligence officers fed the information to the wiki leaks and released through the we can leak so they believe julian assange is out one of the one of the main if not the main sort of mouthpieces to get the information out therefore they want julian assange
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and to testify to say what he knows in turn we already do know that julian assange has. a number of times vehemently denied any involvement he's denied being a russian spy he's been stressing very hard that he's that he has no political preference that he's like more of an anarchist so to speak he just that he is no. well no allegiance he did not plead allegiance to anybody there and so in fact we did have some reports suggesting reports of a jewel in a songes associates who were saying that julian in fact himself wants to testify that he himself wants to clean up. this whole slate so if that is what they want if that is what he will be if this is the opportunity that the united states are willing to provide to julian assange now this could be indeed a good thing for sure and we understand the assailant's camp is saying we are considering the request the latest from them take ok thank you but that was at hugo's our affair with the latest. thank you for watching just coming up see you at
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five thirty in the afternoon here in moscow we're back again at the top of the. he says. the church secret indeed catholic priests accused of sexually abusing children can get away with it literally i like to call this the do a graphic solution so what the bishop needs to do then he finds out that the priest is is a perpetrator is simply moves him to a different spot were the previous standards not the highest ranks of the catholic church help conceal the accused priests from the police and justice system to that
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end of that's known as the i and then i included tuesday's out in. this. case felt. that the way to the united states is dangerous for most of the illegal immigrants. washing their hands but first there was a simple i want to become lost and enter and i want to ask understand but what if many of them look for refuge in the so-called sentry sides of the refuse to share information about undocumented migrants with federal authorities the best person to ask than call mom. was you know. i felt that i better not get a man or a westerner what that. they have or what are their options to stay in the country
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with donald trump in the white house all over for the couples. the who to be bad to be. i said sit many couples won't. kill the chance of putting food impulse response both of you up with a few of them off the bat. hello and welcome to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle after three years of conflict it has been estimated that out of a population of twenty seven point four million twenty two point two million people in yemen are in need of humanitarian assistance four point five million children and women are suffering malnutrition while two point nine million people are
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internally displaced this is a humanitarian catastrophe by any measure so why are the u.s. and u.k. so committed to the saudi u.a.e. war on yemen. crosstalk in the tragedy known as yemen i'm joined by my guest well hominum randy into and he's a professor at the university of time in london we have charles shoebridge he is a security analyst and a former u.k. army and counter terrorism intelligence officer and in brighton we cross to catherine shocked and she is a senior analyst with the center all right crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciated let me go to charles first. this war has been going on for three years i gave some of the stats encourage our viewers to go to doctors without frontiers and look at their side on yemen the much
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more detailed much more gruesome i would even say what is the u.k. u.s. interest in this war against the country the poorest country in the middle east what is the thinking behind british foreign policy supporting saudi arabia and the emirates against yemen. i suspect on the one hand you've got u.k. and the u.s. saying that to some degree and we can come on to that later on their national interests are aligned with saudi arabia particularly against iran of course in yemen elsewhere and again you have to question i'm hoping hopefully later in a post we will do that in more detail as to why the u.k. and u.s. always seem to see their interests as being in conflict with iran in most instances but also there's got to be a aspect of this which is based on commercial interests of course britain and america supply vast amounts of weaponry and other equipment to saudi arabia the
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relationship with saudi arabia particularly it's not just saudi arabia involved here is one of course other gulf states as well all of which have very lucrative. commercial contacts with britain and the united states and indeed france and there has been certainly of the last few years a tendency for particularly united kingdom that anything that is saudi arabia supports pretty much britain and america are going to support also we have to remember just really how important this relationship particularly saudi arabia is if we think about trump we think about. other government ministers united states and united kingdom their first port of ports of call when they've been put into office isn't their allies in europe or the states often it's usually going off to see two players both of whom are vitally important to british and particular interests one of those is israel and the other one always saudi arabia and so really i think this war is becoming increasingly and embarrass meant not just war
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but the blockade in everything else that goes with it is becoming embarrassment to western leaders as invariably parts of it creep into media coverage because there's been a lot of all out as yet the last three creep creep but also if they will they will continue to support it catherine let me go to you in brighton ok so we've got a little bit of the background the the reason. if we can use that term for the british and the americans so what does fig tree me. for the saudis in the us the genocide i mean what what do they hope to what is the end goal here go ahead cancer but the end goal was basically this iteration of the have what we have prior to two thousand and eleven when the people decided to to rise up against the then you know regime where the us would europe that was in control of yemen and yemen's political future as well as economical future and i think that this is what they're trying to do trying to revert back to you know the situation that we had you know treaties
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other than f. and that is not going to happen because people have learned that they have a right to but it tickles that determination and they understand today and with you know the majority of yemeni and astound us why would you is not there to promote a greater yemen or even to promote a greater future for yemen but rather you know you have yet another country a client state that would remain forever tied up to yemen. i mean just very quickly when we talk about you know british and the u.s. siding with saudi arabia because of the fear and the enemy cities that have to would see iran we need to be very careful here to understand that yemen is a proxy only in the eyes of britain and the u.s. because they reason the iranian influence in yemen represents your graphically advantage and it's sitting on very important waterways needed to really and of course because of all routes which is why britain and the u.s. all are interested in yemen in the first place it has nothing to do with the fact that you want to have the na in yemen but rather because of the geography and where yemenis is situated in relation to iran and the rest of the gulf countries and i
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think it's an important point because we need to stop this narrative that iran you know has an interest in trying to promote unrest in yemen that's not the case if anything iran needs stability in the region to be able to itself you know you know stabilize its own borders and everything else like goes with it i think that i'm really glad you brought that up because there is a. and self-determination issue in yemen that news never brought up in the mainstream media and charles already brought up the issue that is always mentioned i'm going to go to mohammed now into rant it's all iran's fault as usual i mean you pick the day of the week it's russia's fault or rand's fault here now i'm willing to agree that iran may have some kind of involvement on some level now but not in two thousand and eleven that was what how this was sold so to intervention in the first place here but it's always a rand's fault it's a proxy war it's far more than a proxy war as catherine has pointed out go ahead mohamad into around this is one
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of the excuses that western countries in the western media use in order to justify the crimes being committed by their governments the canadian government american and british and french governments are involved in crimes against humanity and they are just as guilty as mohamed been solomon and the saudi regime and all this without them he couldn't be carrying out these crimes the americans are providing all sort of source of the just simple support so they need to justify it somehow obviously for anyone to know for who knows anything about what's going on the yemenis do not have the ability to have any meaningful contact with iran there's no way that the iranians can help them in a meaningful way because they're completely surrounded the americans and the saudis and others have laid siege on the country they're preventing food from getting in there and forcing starbase starvation they've been doing this for years now and the
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western media they call it a proxy war or they try to somehow blame the victims in gaza in order to again justify their policies but it's obvious that this country is surrounded the overwhelming majority of the population is living in the areas controlled by. the law and their allies the popular committees and so on after all these years after over three and a half years with all the internal foreign support american support european support mercenaries from from different countries blackwater and an american and french official military presence on the ground sudanese mercenaries after all you know with all the money that the saudis and their marti's are spending if they cannot capture the capital of the country that shows that it is the will of the people of yemen that prevents them from doing so that shows that the resistance
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against the saudis and the americans is in the gym and popular resistance but that's something that they don't want to see because that makes c.n.n. makes the new york times the guardian the b.b.c. all of them run against their own government if they point these out that humiliates their own government position charles i have noticed that what scant coverage there is on the cable stations the iran card is always almost always played first ok and there is not the not not there isn't a willingness to admit that are serious war crimes are being committed and i'd like to point out the the who these also have been accused of that in all fairness but this is a very tragic conflict. you know what is the endgame here because i mean what just reading the stats i mean this is a country a humanitarian situation that is winding down very whiny out of control in
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a very serious way i mean cholera i mean something that is virtually wiped out in the world this come back when there benjamin's there and there seems to be no outcry cry whatsoever from the media i mean it makes them culpable go ahead charles . or if there is outcry you've already kind of hinted at it's a humanitarian situation that seems to have risen out of nothing but this is a famine that there are hundreds of thousands of children not in education but there is as you say for the second year running now the danger of a cholera epidemic breaking out as if this is got nothing to do with the fact that this war has been visited upon this people by saudi arabia and its allies but particularly of course what's missing from the western media coverage is that this war this assault on this country as you point out one of the poorest countries on earth and facing terrible predicament for its people that this assault on this
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