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tv   Sophie Co  RT  September 20, 2018 11:00pm-11:27pm EDT

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strong member states and the we. which sticks christian heritage so number one we don't want to get rid of the christian heritage and we want member states to stay as member states we don't want to you know give up our nationality we don't want to give up more culturally don't blow you up for everything before. the world anti-doping agency reinstated so russia's anti drugs are giving a fresh start for russian athletics after three years in the. us imposes new sanctions on china for buying the russian military hardware. memo reveals plans within the u.k. prime minister's party to oust her and who is in the running to fill her shoes. the latest on the story dot com coming up the foreign minister of hungary is the guest
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on sophie and co talking about his country's ongoing dispute with the european union stay with us. welcome to. the rift between hungary and. widening the camp but about pressure from the establishment warning shots already fired while i talk to hungary's foreign minister. about the challenges that lay ahead. the european consensus is under threat as the migrant crisis threatens to split the e.u. with eastern european members refusing to follow brussels line over newcomers the block is already threatening action against troublemakers so can countries like hungary and poland. resist the pressure from e.u.
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leaders can the euro establishment actually do anything to really harm to states and will the conflict grow into an irreparable rift in levy and partly a sense really great to have you once again on our program always a pleasure thanks a lot has happened since the last time was the european parliament has given an official warning of some sort to your country over your prime minister's new policies domestic policies do you feel like it's just a little parliamentary schooling or can sanctions come with that. that was a that was a political decision that was made by cheating. as the votes for abstention vary not counted so if the vote had taken place like two days later than maybe the no votes would have been wouldn't have been counted either. there is a basic debate between us and the majority of the european parliament and this
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debate is about migration as the majority of the european parliament is absolutely . and very clearly one time my government made it very clear that we want to preserve our right to make our own decision whom we would like to let. our own country and who we do not want to let and thirty or and the european union would like to take away destroy it. and they want brussels to impose or be got three photos on the member states to you know distribute the migrants among you member states and that's that's a clash between the pro migration majority of the european parliament and the hunger in government we're going to get to the migration part obviously because it's a huge topic inviting europe literally but i think. they also many other domestic policies when they're threatening sanctions against hungary's that they don't like or they think and democratic do you think congress voting rights in the
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could be suspended and if yes then what can we do in return no surely not it cannot be taken away because it requires a unanimous decision and poland has already expressed that they would veto all kinds of decisions like that as there is an article seven percent are going on against poland as well and they made it very clear that we're going to veto all kinds of sanctions against poland and the prime minister czech republic made it very clear that he's standing besides our prime minister so definitely such a political intention will be unsuccessful. up in union to take away voting rights of hungary but you know this report contains the sixty nine points sixty nine accuse a sions against hungary out of each fourteen has already been the resolved between the government and the european commission nineteen are under discussion by the government and the european commission as it has to happen in the european union and there are ferdie seven qualified lights no more than
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a lie based on opinion of n.g.o.s which are clearly anti-government which took part in the last election campaigns had open goal had to publicize the go to fro out of the government but they became unsuccessful they are frustrated and they are spreading lies about my country and this report is based on these lies this is a lie or report ok so let's think logically what can brussels achieve by isolating but it passed and if you find yourself isolated do you do you think you can really invoke their article five and maybe movie all together no definitely a lot leave the european union because our interest is to have a strong european union under it can be strong in a strong european union and this is the this is the focal point of the debate how to make european union strong again and there's a big clash between the some western european and to slip through the strait who are pushing for a european union which should be stepping into the dimension of post christianity.
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and post nations and our goal is totally different we want a strong european union based on strong member states and we want a europe which sticks to its christian heritage so we're number one we don't want europe to get rid of the christian heritage and we want the member states to stay as member states we don't want you know give up our nationality we don't want to give up our culture of we don't want to give up our heritage and so on and so so forth. this is a big clash between those who want to see european union as post christian as post national and us who want to see europe as a christian continent based on strong member states european commission's also undertaking legal action against hungary for its law targets those who help asylum seekers do you think this goes to all the way to the european court of justice could could could actually hungary given scrap the law look the thing is the
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following we are a country we are a state and the state does have an obligation to protect its citizens by protecting its own national border and if there is an organization which helps other people while late the border of that even a country that is again the interest of the national interest of security so it must have a consequence so yes we'll publish those organizations in the future as well who try to encourage people to while later our own border we try to promote the opportunity of border while lation towards hungary or would try to encourage people to ask for asylum without a legal basis so it's obvious that there are organizations act against your national security then you have to protect yourself so i asked to sebastian course has always been in favor of most of your policies backing you clothing migration this time he says you know what a strong m.p.'s will actually vote against hungary do you feel betrayed. well you
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know. although politics is not a personal profession but i have to tell you that personally we enjoy or we have enjoyed a good friendship as we have always fought together in the council of the european foreign ministers for dissolution of the true found preferrable so that was absolutely i got the surprise what he made as a statement i called him because we are friends so. i mean i do i even if it's on the phone he gave me an explanation. i was not very happy because regardless of any kind of pressure putin go me i would never say such kind of things about friends but different personalities and i guess there's no friendship in politics do you think he was pressured into saying i'm taking a decision like that well i think this is a question that should be raised to him so he you in your interview to b.b.c. said that policy and migration can be seen as invitation for people to come to
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european union and that sparked quite a debate because i mean obviously people who come migrants who come to your of they come from war torn countries countries with family and stability and you know they're dreaming of all this like european social packages it's only normal that those people are seeking a better life. you know. i think we have to start from the basis of international law and international law says that everybody has. to have a safe and secure life so it means that if you have to escape from your home then in the first safe country you must be treated it means that we should help those countries which are located the round of war torn areas to have them to be able to treat refugees instead of encouraging them to come to europe because my question is what is the legal basis for anyone to cross five six seven
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unsafe countries why allayed the border of those just in order to get to germany so there is no fundamental human rights saying. that you wake up in the morning you pick germany austria sweden as the destination of yours and in order to get there you while late series of borders that are not a human right so human right is that if you have to escape you're going to be treated in the first safe and secure country and that's why you are absolutely in favor of supporting turkey jordan lebanon and all other countries may see for you to say what if you were awake in the same position as italy were like you can't change geography and like the first arrivals have to be taken and they just can't ship those people or send them back so you know this year we're talking differently he's afraid to say no my gracious because yeah it's so hard to get to you but come on there are four hundred thousand illegal migrants marching from my country to far as interesting and how we ended up was if you go to france look we spent no i mean
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very few people in those that what we have spent have to spend more than one billion one billion euros so far on protecting our southern border because currently there are dozens dozens of attempts to break into hungary on the vehicle or base to steal our police is there our military is there our infrastructure is there and we have spent one billion euros in order to stop that. now the other question is whether if it is possible in the land which we have proved whether it is possible on the maritime route as well we have listened to brussels for three years us nords impossible physically legally it's impossible the australians have proved that yes it is possible but now the italian minister of interior we respect a lot tried to prove that yes it is possible to stop the migratory flow on the merry time as well but those investors in europe all they say that protection of external borders are extremely important attacked him like they have attacked us in the law. and
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a half years so if we make it very clear on behalf of europe that please do not board on those ships of the smugglers the northern shores of africa because you've really been not allowed to disembark ships in europe then these people leave these people leave because they see that regardless of any kind of attempts of certain politicians in europe. brussels and the majority of the western europeans always reach that these people the sumburgh those boats and come to europe for refuge and regardless of the fact that they are they are rejected they cannot be some back and they stay so i actually spoke literally two weeks ago with. on the same topic and asking like how can you be allies with hungary because at the end of the day what you want are two different things because hungary says no migration at all and you're just saying we want the european union to help us redistribute it then you are ours because we can change our you know geography are you as an
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ally willing to help. we are allies with the finest things i know yet be ok to distribute yeah i would like to tell you two friends on that number one we are allies because sequencing is very important and number one in the sequencing is to protect and control the borders and do not let my runs and this is number one this is about my new ones as well because he he tried to close the maritime border and he tried to make it make though the people understand that there's no way they can do some barbell ships because they are illegal migrants and they're not allowed to come to italy so the number one issue which says that no illegal migration should be allowed no illegal migrants should be allowed to come to europe that is the major issue on which we agree and very our allies this is number one number two when it comes to funds when it comes to helping those in need you know we have a program which called hungary helps we have already spent around fifteen million
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euros on that as we are reconstructing the the torn down halls is in the middle east of christian communities we have them to build their schools we help them to cover a day or medical expenditures in their hospitals we have done to recreate their own communities because the church leaders of the middle east begged us not to encourage the people to leave the middle east to come to europe but to help them to be able to stay very dave communities have been staying for centuries or even the middle in him you know so our philosophy is that we have to bring health very needed instead of importing problems where there are no problems we're going to take a break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to the gallery and foreign minister talking about the many. of us.
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if there's any and she. said to me i'd just as it were. in. their other building go up. into him about the question of how they. look. because of the dark we look at the outflow going out of the money i don't know where we go about. something you simply. want to outlaw mr
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need to. call him up on the. art of a full stomach we have to indulge. in the world and you'll get a little warmth and you know what. i want and. so what are the h. so i feel for this idol of the. hour we're back with hank aaron foreign minister been there sacked the foreign minister here this is really a popular idea floating in the european capital is that in order to stop migration for instance from africa we need to pour money into africa to make life of those who are there a better would you be ready to pour some money into africa so people don't come to
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europe because whether you like it or not if you're saying. you want to be part of the european union you're part of. the whole entity and that on to this says well maybe we should consider giving some of our money to those countries so that those people don't come to us where this is what we call tackling the root causes and yes there are absolutely on board just before a minister of uganda with him i made an agreement that hungary pays around fourteen to fifteen million euros. to be able to operate today or a refugee comes in there just for solar and there for water treatment with some security measures and he told me the foreign minister of uganda and he said it publicly in the press conference as well that they don't people and they don't want people to come to europe because he understands that if people in africa come from
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one country to another it's the same culture same same heritage same religion so it's not as he expresses not a shock for each other because they are basically the same. same culture and same heritage and same religion if they come to europe then this is not the same situation that's what he said so and i agree with him that that we have to help them in order to keep their people keep their labor force to have them to be able to develop their economy that's why i made an agreement with the german minister of development that they find the investments together in africa in order to make life of people better there but there's one very important principle which we always want to apply when it comes to funding of african countries for example and this is condition the levy so we have to stick these funds to condition the lady meaning that we have to require we have to demand that these countries which are finance must carry out those reforms be legal be comic be political democracy
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which you know kind of those reasons why people. you'll have believing from those countries so right now the way things are looking is that europe is divided into have so there's a bloc hungary italy austria. yes against movement which is the euro skeptic alliance and trying to hoping to have an impact in the elections would hungary support such a project well you know since there are european people and european citizens to vote on the e.u. elections i think we should leave it to do europeans number one number two we are part of the biggest european party family european peoples party and strongest on the most successful party of the european peoples party so we hope that our party family will be successful and the hope that we can change the general attitude of the european people's party which is now well migration by migration attitudes and so present and you're a prime minister obviously get along very well present and meyerson greatly do you
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think this simplicity could actually be a real help in some way for hungary or is it just ideological liking while you know under the democrat administration under president obama we suffered a lot because the american that time administration the made open attempts to interfere into our domestic. internal politics no such kind of attempts are not happening anymore for us it's as great in many cases we received in a similar way but we have to understand that they are the number one superpower of the world and we are a small sensor european country so we know our place we are aware of our size and by measuring what we we we find some ideas of president from very fresh and so when he says america first a chile very alike and we understand because we say hungary first yeah but does that friendship actually help you with a standoff with brussels or just the opposite as mr trump isn't the most popular politician in europe these days either you know you know i don't think he needs any
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popular at the neuro because he needs to be popular among the u.s. voters so i don't feel. he's too much interested in being popular in the indy you know we respect the decision of the american people we never question that we leave it to the american people to like their own president as we expect others to leave equally hungary and people to make decision about the future of hungary. your foreign minister is also great friends with lattimer putin they get along very well but that must come with a cost for you for your country president mccomas here in st petersburg as the guest or of the international economic forum understand they are in. a state continuous contact the job president we understand that there are several meetings between your president and the german chancellor so i don't think that there will be too exceptional in this regard we have a very clear schedules we have one awful meeting between your president and the prime minister every year which is actually normal gone trees close to each other we depend on your. supply we have a tight economy cooperation now we have
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a tight investment cooperation as well you play an important role in our energy supply not only guys but nuclear power as well so i find it very normal. try to make a pragmatic relationship based on mutual respect by the only difference is that when your prime minister meets president putin he doesn't go back to hungary and the minute he has his face turned to russia to russia doesn't say to his voters russia's number one enemy most of the european had they come to russia you know they talk about bridging gaps but as soon as their home their rhetoric changes you know we always say the same statement about the same things maybe this is one of the reason why every one the free elections in there over the constitutional majority may never change faces so obviously your country has always said that russian sanction sanctions and sanctions doesn't work for anyone they don't work
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for you or they don't for the russia but when it comes to voting a lifting them you don't vote to lift that why this is your right to vote why why wouldn't you you know we made it very clear as well because as i told you we always we are always honest we are we are in favor of straightforward speech we hate cheating each other we have even told openly here in russia that we will never break the unity zero. the european union because unity. on the other hand made it very clear that there must be a dialogue there must be a discussion an honest discussion a straightforward discussion about further sanctions have been successful or not and then let's see things factually but the european economies but the retell the russian economy or rather it help to go down with the russian economy whether it has helped to implement the music agreements and so on and so forth so there are very straightforward questions and there are very easy answers yes or no and then after giving honest answers to honest questions we should make
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a decision about the future now the current italian government. seems to represent the same position nor automatic rollover and the discussion must be made as these they are a strong country a big country a g seven country it will be much easier for the smaller member states to represent this position together with a big thank you very much for this century and good luck with everything we appreciate thank you so much. ministries police forces and city administrations of many countries depend on one corporation and that's one of michael's hope the one who doesn't implement the eyes
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of god i'm going to come to this dome is going to go into the. woods as if either of you got on into the sea it's just us who live in them proprietary software you don't know the source code isn't that such a security risk when you have a black box operating who probably go to microsoft's dependency puts governments on the cyber threat and not only that to think off message put it more and that's what we call self and simply a sense of this is instilled in us this is clearly one of them will still be looking to move south and these two will do all of this with. these this is the i still call them starting down with the old vision of stopping the war from sitting on was a fun as i have been described some behind. all of these innovations like the like button is
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a way to turn what went on there would be productive workers creating wealth for themselves into slave labor creating wealth for mark zuckerberg this is all about the us library and this is all about the robots who are taking all the productivity of passing out of true labor arbitrage to the pockets of the tackling. that's what. you have them all out to america lobby. and they have all died.
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without a holiday in the name of the so how can we and i mean pull out of a plane.


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