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tv   Sophie Co  RT  November 9, 2018 3:30pm-4:01pm EST

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the. colonel in question we only know that he was accused of spying for russia for over twenty years and here in moscow the australian ambassador was summoned to russia's ministry. both the republicans and democrats claim victory in the wake of the mid-term elections but it seems the election settled little if anything now there is a dueling investigation warfare gridlock on steroids is this what the voters voted
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for. when war turns. work of theirs in the shadows who are bringing in the pieces together is often ignored and officials take the credit but not today i talked to a french businessman. in saving lives and the conflict. here. today. with international mediation politicians career diplomats feel to it conflicts of the forces come into play working quietly as private citizens of the spotlight growing. patiently bringing warring parties to the table
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why does parallel citizen diplomacy work with. other people willing to work. with the promise of nobel peace prize. and how do they get the job done. thank you very much for being with us today thank you for everything. to be in such an interesting profession i want to know all about it so you are a noted negotiator lots of success stories in africa i know that you're now trying to get sites in libya to sit down and talk i mean in a way you're more successful than united nations at least you're getting these guys to sit down and talk. as you would need united nations but also somewhere somehow i needed those. two forces which. so you are right now talking about
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putting down the barriers of mistrust in libya but those barriers are were actually put up way before you and for the reasons that are beyond you what makes you think that an outsider can bring them down. over the country and i know. that. and bed also so he speckles a tradition and is always a completely leaves and. going to one. while all institutions are fighting where all countries affecting over libya why not giving really begin to proceed to have to exist as a voice and to jointly express what they would like to do is a home country she's my aim is not to make peace east to p.
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eight. the fundamentals to create. for. peace this is what i'm trying to do so what kind of effort do you have to make to actually bring this people together in the same room bust. class is always the big word yes it should be when but it's essential what they have done fully by for example is a following. a tie to look i don't the five. is a general scope of politically. two extremes of the scope and i for i found bishop was aides and very close to. their feet and the large ability of belhaj was formed it was thought but to fight has got to fit him since he has years of seventy so. and those are the two weeks or so as
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a someone who uses it will never talk together because. one accusing the other of. the worst things and. so i put them together how how by convincing them that their meeting will be not to discuss. the past and what these won't but to see what they have in common what they want for sleep in common what is that point of conversions as far as he is going is is a concept and the knowing is a point of difference also a point where they don't like anyone and it happens. of course you accept any city by their own people or as a people of a follow else how can you meet can you see to bellagio can you see be sure sunday but films that meeting. ziyad agree on very simple principle about the future of
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libya. ziggy's of the should be one country this should be a civilian government should be an army will respond to civilian government so this should be an independent judiciary because this is something that's what i'm saying like this is something that international diplomats have been trying to do for ever and you're just saying you know i convinced both sides that they shouldn't talk about the past just talk about the future and a common goal of libya this is a very simple straightforward formula that other diplomats use as well i still don't understand how it works out when you come in a dozen when other diplomats to you must have a key that others don't always know what is and keeping they ever keep the one they have a past twenty do them some kind of guarantees what. so there's no guarantee you could have. handled the beginning it was a complete left shows are after five minutes no the problem is. once you have
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went you are not an institution when you are not a government your voice is your voice it belongs to you and even. in your voice zen people accept to do seems they would not accept was a situation. is this is a difference between diplomacy and official diplomacy. diplomacy is one like everybody talks the same way nobody can have individual opinions they have to express what is it. different than me i am not bound to say i can i can have i can do what i want when i want and people believe as close to me. just one example in south africa i stopped the dialogues between white and black by an exchange of prisoners. or
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than sixty people. five country forms five complaints about. access to places new. beak it could very smoothly everything went right not one document was site so he's not the best bet. which has been cited everybody rife with his address was in plain stupid but back to back of the presidents everybody believe that it should be issued that i have at the time and departed that that. not one paper. and that it was involving major country like hans or south africa. mozambique so i wonder if it always goes down so it's most i had a friend an american friend who was working at the fall of apartheid in south africa just like you and he was telling me you know every time he's in the conflict
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resolution as well and he was how we know every time i go for a new job i have this feeling that i know what to do i know how to fix it i know it better and after three years of being there he was like you just fall into this state where you understand you don't know anything and you probably will never understand anything do you ever get that feeling when you go to a new conflict to a new country where you feel like i know it i'm going to do this and then you're on the ground and you're trying to do your job trying trying trying and then at the end of the day you like i just don't understand anything in probably never will you we're talking about success. so it's good i had some success but they are all i had also failure. i had big failure i tied to fix conflicts which i didn't succeed. so of course i am. my success
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but why is to give a chance to to the to peace to give a chance to peace doesn't mean that you get on to that you will bring peace but at least you give a chance to achieve peace she says what and only time to do with no guarantees that i would succeed so i am much more courageous and much more ambitious than if i am seeking ways and i'm going to succeed or not she's not my issue i am not sinking was what i was a chance what i was a statistic what i was a possibility for me to succeed and not interested i just say shall i do i have enough elements in my hands to try to bring peace. do i have the elements here. are my going to put them aside not doing what they want no of course not i go for it this is their s. life danger at any point in your line of work where you feel like sense of
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superiority here i am white man from the land of prosperity and peace i come to you probably squabbling i will solve your pain because i know better does do you ever get that feeling because it's dangerous there's a there's a fine line when you have so much power and trust. in your hands and you can make the process as movies can get that sense you can yeah sure i don't you don't have i am very as i don't. sure of what i'm doing that i am as i am present. tense i don't know the world in the visions or as i doubt about what i am doing. feeling of superiority that can never. because if i doubt that means that they don't have a sense of superiority. and i never go is a sense of and people know that you know we are dealing with men we do mean we
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human and sometimes we have to put the sides of paper in the document and. z. explain a. logical explanations. to to get. a human side in the piece because everybody will. see people who. must be the most wired cocktails somewhere somehow was hoping for peace and want peace. i think maybe something good when worst and sense of security that a lot of big powers get while they're going into conflicts is ignorance because right now we see a lot of politicians. they don't have the understanding of the region when they actually act in that region they don't know the complexity of the fragility of the places that they affect for instance i remember president obama saying that not lack of planning in libya was probably one of his biggest mistakes of his
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presidency just recently norway admitted having no idea what they were doing when they send their claims to bomb libya and we see that happening actually a lot where does this i'm a tour approach come from i mean shit they elected leaders be sent to some mandatory job or to political lessons about the world because this happens all the time. you know when you when you start to do something and it's valid for government or individuals don't try to don't. seem twice before you. even need to bad and you replace it by the worse and unfortunately what's happened more and more in the past you you you want to change it to take off the back of the bad but you replace it by something less of the bad you have taking off and for me of course how can you avoid that you avoid it by.
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z.z.z. because when when you leave a conflict by kidding another conflict when you when you. use over solutions by kidding another if you can you fail but when you deal with the issue with when. you see it see as if that's really wants to build a future together then you are avoiding. a place to go from bad to worse here we're going to take a short break right now while we come back we'll continue talking about harold the promise of what is it and is it more effective beneficial the promise and stay with us.
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there's now a bowler around prick here in rwanda you know why says terrorists long as. there are bad memories. twenty four years ago this country song a real look at the end of the world. after the genocide there and all the women in rwanda. it fell to women to fix what the men had broken.
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and we're back with joan yet expert in peril diplomacy and the chairman of the foundation and i remember you expressing your opinion in the early times of the syrian conflict escalation you were about wrote about wars of good versus evil.
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that was you write and you said that you know that you've said that this is led by us and they can no longer force on everyone because balance of power is shifting so i always think of why does the united states still go over and over again for the same strategy of fighting the black and white good versus evil wars when it has brought all the asli so much misery to the world and to themselves in the first place why not to meet with question see you're a true diplomat. to me. why should i express an opinion on the level of no i mean. is it will worse yes. we have to be very worried. that you we by taking something bad will be placings by subsidy given us and this story as prove that some of the actions taken by this one those. have been the placing something bad
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something event with us. we leave that to the twentieth century and. those mistakes because why as you said about president obama they were not planning after what do we do after how out and for me i am taking this after as a very fundamental bass. after has to be a consideration is it is a consideration they can be exchange of opinion it can be democracy at last i'm not talking about western democracy or eastern democracy or specific little cost of the ability of the people to decide of their own future that can only be done. evil hate considerations will cure and that it is here so you just mentioned earlier in the into that peril the promise in official diplomacy it's pyro because they go without crossing pass so that means that you're not part of the system
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right official system there that this stablish meanwhile when you do your job as a diplomat and a lot of your success stories in the african period they were tied to the hall they were tied to shock so you kind of are in the system or are you completely not part of the system. after certain moments it's time for the system to take over. that's for sure i am as i said i am not here to make peace i am here to facilitate peace who is going to make peace is either secure because you need to keep the agreement it's one which i am not thinkable to to take so yes or certain moment there is let's say if. some people accept it some countries accept it there is a like of communication and. a takeover
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by country of two brings everything to the film the finality when i did so because i feel that which led to the independence of namibia and for the first time as a cuban and the american was sitting at the same table with together with the south africans younger than it was i have the political as been signed. it was taken by the un and there was a big show in. the un for the signing of the agreement i was not even invited i want to invent it nobody invited me when they all know that i was initiated this is because this time at a certain moment of the official takeover and i don't pretend that i can replace what is off the show of course not i am not here to the place anybody am not here to to do. to i am here to help to assist not to
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replace did the official diplomats listen to your advice as an outsider or do they really try to shut you down because it's competition then we have to go back to the human nature i have extolled the need for friends with our diplomats and zander stand what i do and prove what it. of course. they belong to as i said feeling. myself probably not but then again it's not white and black it's i have very good friends we have diplomats they had. and they have no problem with them because it is really allies that bring some seeing. of the progress but of course it is situation we don't like me maybe they don't like successes or has have your political convictions or i don't know moral convictions ever get in the way of doing the job as a imperil diplomacy for instance this guy i cannot talk to that want to talk to or
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whatever you feel personally and he's always irrelevant if you have to make peace and make people reconcile. he's not one person in the planet have so little if you're sort of course never one. as criminally can be i will accept if he is a d. to talk about peace i will talk to him of course in the beginning of the interview said that i bring fighting sides to one table because there is trust you know they trust me and they trust that you know if they come together it's going to be for the better of the common cause does this always work how do you make people who are not willing to reconcile change their mind or this is only work when they actually do want to negotiate the side you see this is a tactic between records. when i did i did the first conference which is in
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may in the car which is called now that i won because hopefully we are going to have a dugout to. i did invite all the people there i didn't know who are the people but i have done. i went to bishop's alley i went to do that village and i said please convince your friends to come to the conference so exam. have been convincing their friends to come to the conference so i was not exposed as a person the test was. jumping jumping from one person to the other but at the end of that is where all that because if i would have been the one who would be traveling with my leg age and going to to see the people i want to invade to convince maybe i would not have succeeded because it dawned on me send a verse of me they who is white man in the libyan conflict as you say. but
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if i am using somebody was done by said. that's a different that bush says something which is you don't. very briefly when i started to be interested in africa i had a chance i was very young i was twenty i was me i was invited for dinner by a very fantastic man were president of a good deal of irani cause who fled with me and he invited me sort of our lunch and he was listening to me and i was interested in going to tell him what i want to do with africa and our interest in africa was and as the end of the dinner he said you are interested with africa i am going to give you only one advice only one never enter an african village if you are not accompanied by somebody who is known by the village. and they have apply. all my life is.
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a question is. a beginning is never given by myself is given by somebody who has a test of a person. and it works so i realize that there are no guarantees of any kind of anything when you get two people when you get people in the same room that have been killing each other for such a long time so it's a big deal that they sit down but what is the success rate usually those people who have been feuding for so long ok they're in the same room what is the success rate after they start talking have you i'm sure you've. already there in your personal theory i don't i don't count ok but let me tell you something. dialogue is a most essential thing because that means even if accepted to meet. it has been a patient was a meeting is not is not. no idea what they're going to discuss their
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bed so indeed a cli. dialogue has been established between them by me most probably most of the time for me so. they don't. have before they meet. evaluated appreciative. that it was going to be very detail very sour and i was already but i never experienced. a moment where i put two parties together and no one is left never explained that they might not and. it did happen in the car one when after a missile. i mean delegates. accepted to be on the plane that charter did that but when this all was going to be in their homes i said no we cannot sit there with the same people in the left so. the.
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ways that. i never experimented but do you know like gestures words that are it already like signal to you that there is going to be a deal here do you feel your stance or are this like a center for ages and is when you're intervene. you know you're not. he manes as long as it is not. beginning or slight of conflict your positions then yes you have to intervene and calm down and tell people that geez what do you mean this is what the. generals that they maybe you you can match and. you feel it you. knew you feel at the time. you use you should. intervene yes when you work on a complicated conflict like syria. and if not then what would you advise people to
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do there no i would never work on conflict because unfortunately syria is gone beyond the people of syria of syria i still believe that in libya yes not yet live and where it goes beyond the people of. the people of syria people of syria too doesn't count i mean it's. so what will be my role to. have syrian government matching. us government on the whole and i don't have the keys and. i cannot and. i give up i don't i'm not following so since well good luck in the cases that you are involved and i'm sure they're going to be successful like most of the concerns you have undertaken thank you much but this is thank you very much it's
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been a pleasure it was been a pleasure for me to. both the republicans and democrats claim victory in the wake of the midterm elections but it seems the election settled little if anything now there is a dueling investigation warfare gridlock on steroids is this what the voters voted for.
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to rub people the. divisions emerge in the us media this time over video of a c.n.n. reporter released by the white house some accuse the journalist of an attack of the material is being. white women in texas face up to stations of betraying feminist values so they cast their votes in favor of the state's republican candidate. i'm very tired of being castigated as some sort of racist simply based on my skin color who are you who interests are you representing if you're only as a white woman representing the best interests of other white women then we absolutely have a.


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