tv Cross Talk RT November 11, 2018 11:30pm-12:01am EST
hello and welcome to crossfire where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle is the idea of peace in yemen and ethical also trump is insulted the europeans might defend themselves and russia gate front and center again. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have dimitri bobbitt she's a political analyst with sputnik international and we have these and he is
a professor at the higher school of economics as well as author of the decay of western civilization and resurgence of russia all right as usual gentlemen cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i would appreciate david let me go to you first here donald trump went to paris for the. ceremonies commemorating the end of the first world war the bringing of peace after that carnage of four wars four years and twenty million dead and twenty million casualties. he felt insulted that his host president mccrone in france proposed a real european army very rarely insulting me considering he trims very dismissive attitude towards nato in a number of ways how do you respond to it well. normally what would you could do russia should be insulted because actually grown here is what you said faced with russia which is that all borders and has shown that it can be a threat. we need
a europe which defends itself better without just depend on or do without the states in a more sordid manner and of course so little globalist is kind of interesting coming out of his mo who is threatened here if you want to be able to european army against the united states no against russia he says it quite openly and i think it's a disgrace aren't hundred years after the war in which france and russia were on the same site in which millions of russians date he says it russia which is know it all bought us he forgets to mention why russia is at the borders of the european union it's not because russia expend it is because nato and the european union expend that not paying any attention to any concerns that russia might might graze about it only mention russia did he also wanted to you know these days i said he's a writer and we all are fearing the imminent chinese invasion of europe on the other side of the world i know i am right you know trying to use troops or about
the disembark and you know normandy pretty sure but he also mentioned the united states and even the united states he said that talking about the need to defend against this talk is simply trying to put on warhawk credentials come on france can't even pay two percent of its g.d.p. according to nato strictures and he's talking up a european union army like the sun came here i think and what i want to talk about also the reports that mcchrystal did not want putin in from me glenn jumping. also said this is not a new idea though it's actually here i'll share with you here the national interest last week wrote an article that article washington smothers independent european security initiatives the entire history of it since one thousand nine hundred one six months after the soviet union collapsed. in germany for the peterburg task force which was. the purpose was to develop military capabilities for their
opinion now they were able to strike a compromise with the united states in which they would have a clear division of labor usually nato would do the interventionist in the nations . the e.u. would do the dishes and then do the peacekeeping or the training so bad cop i mean yeah yeah just off to one but i would call that equals leave the us military go in there but what has happened of course is there's been more push for a new army because trump is alienated europeans and we've come through forget that the british has been the main want to obstruct in the army and now with bricks that they're pretty much out of the way and from france they've been pushing for although to develop the security initiative outside the us structures and the germans would like to bring it in so you have all this different incentives for developing the army about. i think also an important point is that the e.u. is through the struggling for its existence now the purpose of the reason why people join the use political and economic reasons and economically it's flopping
is going from crisis to crisis so i think there is a need now to actually get a new purpose for the u.s. and it looks like that's pivoting to what is new is there any indication even that the europeans want to have their own army well it depends on which european on the name of the elite something about nor will the europeans normal europeans i think see no threat from russia their sequal of the wars in the middle east they don't want to europe to support the show against in syria they don't want europe to ball believe beer in order to kill their then you know qaddafi and plunge the country into the civil war but it will look at what has been going on since one thousand nine hundred two the european union actually started more was the united states i remember how how the whole thing in libya started it wasn't the united states it was sarkozy and the french planes that boarded first. how did the yugoslav war began begin there was a large you could we look more into. said some people think that the united states
started all of this no paris a lot of them asked you know they will all of the united states to go together with them. into it was love it in course of the united states was providing air support the ground operation was conducted by european troops if you look at the history of european union since one thousand nine hundred two they didn't make peace with any of it with the united states at least improved relations with cuba somewhat now trying to destroy you with that the only quarreled with russia with yugoslavia with libya with syria with iran with anyone who objects so basically and even that cold which he is saying that you were ripping needs to be kind of for a defensive play against the united states one right there the i mean you know i mean is this is this something is this some kind of gambit that mccrone is playing right now because i don't i don't see there's a lot of political goodwill and certainly no political guts and there's certainly no funding for such a thing this is
a political move and we could just to dismiss this as. you know this version of fake news and fact i think a lot of this is simply a way of striding striking back against trump's criticisms of and demanding that european countries spend more on their defense as part of nato structures now let's remember all the european countries have their own national armies most of them you know in significant except of course for like france and the united kingdom. if you sit or if turkey is not part of the e.u. of course but it's part of nato right. and. they all are also part of nato structures but they still can't most of them all but five of them can't even spend two percent of their g.d.p. on the military in fact this may actually be the discussions of it may actually be a way to cut military spending because france and the united kingdom. i've
previously in the last three before brags that of course been involved in cooperation where they share military resources. because they can't afford you know this global type militaries you know capable of power projection around the world and you know this is what the european union you know these countries like france are really concerned about it's not defending their own countries it's being able to project military power in africa in the middle east in age right we recently saw united kingdom. french troops involved in the south china sea in these military parades you know the u.s. is putting on their saber rattling against china so i don't think we should take talk of an e.u. army seriously if anything this is just the way for him to try to hit back strong i mean let's say in an imaginary world because nato is certainly not going to go away any time soon but in an imaginary world where if there is this rift growing rift
between the e.u. and the united states would european elites still consider russia a threat because you'd have to go through a threat analysis here and because a lot of it is driven by russia is driven by the united states mccrone can pick up on it but. i'm basically convinced that the europeans would want to actually engage russia in terms of security and not deeming it is a as an enemy i don't necessarily agree because if you look at what the european union's done in terms of economic nomic terms when they looked at how to engage with the neighbors of the common neighborhood house with russia it has always used tools such as such as eastern partnership which excludes the russians when they have now reached trying to reach further into eurasia they want to mention here is an economic union so this kind of dismissive of some approaches some of the europeans would like to take on the idea of being a military. competitor to russia you telling me that no i'm saying that they have
no interest in harmonizing their interests and integration efforts with or with russia i think wants and i'm not i'm not saying that but i don't know what i'm saying is it will be deemed as the same kind of enemy ok militarily. some military power stuff becomes the reasons for a reason for the u. texas to come take another so this is a this is the defense of the european union ok it's not but new nato that is expanding to the east though by hook or crook we have to remember that the current crisis in ukraine was precipitated not by nato expansion yet right not by military move but by the e.u. graph going to me a liberal shock therapy diktats of an e.u. association agreement and when at the last minute the ukrainian president yannick which backed down because he wasn't getting the billions in funding he expected to
be able to finance these deep deal liberal shock therapy cuts and said no not now not under these conditions and because that is when the european countries in the us openly quite openly on the streets of kiev to crowds cheering for the overthrow of the government they actively participated in that if that's not meddling. i don't know what the german foreign minister chairman of the fenian parliament the head of the european diplomacy catherine ashton they were cheering there were supporting then the peaceful protesters who happened to kill thirty eight policeman you know what is bad and if not this and again you know this praise from across in that everyone keeps misquote you said that basically we should be wary all the bullishness of the united states that can threaten europe security one of these parties will remember how trump won the election unexpectedly in two thousand and sixteen and trump won't draw missing peace with russia what was the
reaction from europe. not that ok we want to say i got to get over the break here hold on to that a lot of you are going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our. what politicians do something to. put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. or somehow want to.
have to try to be as a white woman for freedom or can't be good. i'm interested in the waters and how. it's hard to imagine decades after the war a nazi doctor was still active rich enough in seventy intel had as the chair of its board a man convicted of mass murder and slavery at auschwitz a german company develops a little mite a drug that was promoted as completely safe even during pregnancy and it turned out to have terrible side effects what has happened to my baby is anything. you know she said is just. minutes a little mind victims i have to this day received no compensation they never apologized for the suffering that not only want the money i want the revenge.
mccrone. trying to be the new son king of europe and i just want to make the point that i don't think the european union really believes that russian tanks are going to roll into poland but. based existence on the e.u. based on a military threat to the huge russian neighbor it's going to be a key focus and a comparison i think is worth looking at nato in the early ninety's because when the soviet union collapsed what happened in nato with nato they self said we need to either get out of the area or out of business out of the recession meant we need to start expanding intervening otherwise if we don't do this we don't have a purpose and more in and they too will fall apart a problem if the e.u. becomes dependent becomes reposition itself as a military power descension will go down the same path they will it will need and then in order to exist if that is russia if mccraw and wants to exert it to express european solver and t. from the united states and other countries may i suggest that he starts not with
the military but with political and intelligence independence from the united states i mean i certainly remember in the last couple of years revelations through wiki leaks that the cia had penetrated every single significant french political party right not worry about russia naggers about the cia and french political parties or when obama's intelligence was bugging merkel's mobile phone right where was the big reaction against that you want to start expressing some. some sovereignty and independence try doing it with your intelligence and politically you know. it was basically recognized by the united states that they leased down a little radiance form conversations over the french and the spanish so what the problem is you know when you're talking about europe been dependent on the united states you have to you have to make it more clear which united states obama and
hillary they're reviewed in there you. know liberal ultra liberal circles in europe ruling circles in europe before any of these people come back to power russia will have a united front against you know this will be all forgotten exactly and there is a very widespread view in russia that somehow the united states is bad and the united europe may be good for russia but let me remind the russians that there were two times in history when you were military bordello and under hitler both times the consequences for russia what dread catastrophic and i would switch gears here. i started out by a program program saying asking the question is the idea of peace in yemen and i thought a call glenn i mean there was a lot of rhetoric over the last few weeks but now the demand that it be you to say should have some kind of past of all the hostilities in yemen have gone on deaf ears the punishment for shogi is still to be revealed. and the
united states is said i don't think it's happened yet that it will no longer refuel saudi planes bombing yemen is that was this all just p.r. it's just business as usual war in yemen yeah i think it's mostly for signaling of course with this murder in the consulate a lot of the u.s. media discovered that there's a war in yemen you know while we're not amazing what are you going to be watching this program you just but you've been watching this program you know it all the time i don't know what you're correct it's often portrayed as a saudi war against women but it's very much a. us us to war against him because to the united states provides the weapons the training isn't just a refueling logistics just intelligence most importantly the targeting as well it gives the target so the soldiers pretty much pull the trigger and that's it and that's the end of it so i think. this this this idea that the united states come to
more to the saudis is false but just because the u.s. has a stake in the outcome of this war as well so i don't i think this is mostly a signal and congress is pushing for it probably the most is pushing for the most dreadful signal that has come out is that the trumpet ministration may designate the who'd be as terrorists yes i mean that's if that isn't mixed signals ok pompei of the war most come to an end and then the state department in the defense department may designate the victims in this war as being terrorists i mean i. it is really i don't know on the definition of terrorism they're talking to clear the who feeds terrorists and not saudi arabia right i mean we had a quote from the washington post this week that you are smilin teary leaders continue to see saudi arabia as a key partner in the counterterrorism fight that has dominated the kind of operations two thousand when they brought it up unless those of us orwellian according to the. clinton e-mails us intelligence says that saudi arabia and
qatar are war funding and arming isis al qaida. and boko haram all right so i mean what sort of the terrorism here now this is just dumb this is absolutely is glenn so this is just signaling this is the minimum they can take to try to draw a degree of public perception remove they continue to provide arms see for. let me go to this all as usual about iran saudi arabia. it is absolutely necessary with america's pathological obsession with iran where it's the no a perception with iran i don't think the united states itself as a country is interested in all of this mass but let's look at the process let's look at the peace makers from the united states which is to force to stop all of this cruel things from happening there is a report from reuters that cia director general hospital that audio recording solve
his death you know when she visited the stumble i can imagine her reaction so what after all the presence that this young around you were up in other places was she really impressed by what you want at least when you know when you're under pressure or with the first thing that went into her leg was damage control that's when we literally running from mike to the peril of my company or you know you want him to save yemen when he says about iraq you saw that this week iraq's leadership to make a decision whether they want their people to eat and of course well that's a step up from you know act like a normal country i think that was the quote before and i think this is wonderful from pompeo because he's actually admitting what u.s. motivations with sanctions on any country and so he always been right he speaks out the other side of his mouth of supporting the iranian people against the whole us at the same time he says that the iranian leaders would better get in line with
u.s. foreign policy if they want their people to eat i mean this is the same time thing we saw with north korea when t. rex rex tillerson was saying that with the advent of ghost ships with north korea that we were starting to see some real the same sions were starting to have an effect which is because the north koreans were sending fishing ships out without even enough fuel to get back home they were so desperate to provide food right and we saw the same thing all the way back with madeleine albright and iraq when she said cleek. worth it right however real you know we can debate you know the numbers that were involved. five hundred dollars half a million she as the question was phrased she accept the premise and said it was worth it to kill to starve a billion children happens that you think i'm going for me is maybe it won't make a difference because the news cycle is so short in the attention span of people
it's so short that i mean for the first time during this horrific war actually got some coverage i mean even in the mainstream media here. with this more public awareness here and i know that there are members of congress i don't know how high on the list after the midterms but i mean yemen is part of the conversation now like it has never been before but that also implies there is need to start to shape the narrative but i do agree that i can congress to push for doing much more than scaling back support with much more than simply the refuelling but we see that the narrative is shifting as well that's why you know this week the saudis started saying you know we stand with the people of yemen because i'm not sure how that works but i know it's i don't know as i saw that i didn't. think i said something rather snide on facebook about the united states pushing there that there and that's out there that there are terrorist group and of course we are pushing for a cease fire so i think because you know tens of thousands of people were killed
the u.n. warned about the millions of children are and are in risk of starvation so if it is if you go into this huge humanitarian catastrophe i think it's time and the media is focusing on that now i think that is they really need to start hopefully to know and have some kind of momentum or i mentioned three topics in my introduction i want to get to the third one now russia gate where of you big welcome back here mark. i mean we have that now we're going to have a shift in congress where they will go into the g.o.p.'s hand and investigations into the right the democrats and the investigations and the d.o.j. and the f.b.i. will probably go away. yeah i mean certainly with the house control what were investigations that were there as far as i'm concerned paul ryan never put enough force behind you know as a counter reaction to you know the political nature of the way you know with the
mueller investigation going after metaphors back taxes really i mean that's that's what you come up with it's just silly but now you know the democrats will launch you will see a flood of subpoenas they will put as many republicans and figures in the trump administration as possible under oath to give them provocative questions just hoping they say something stupid and law i write however inconsequentially about something you know that has nothing to do with actual russia gate collusion or anything like that you know they'll go into their own personal histories and taxes and everything like this because this is all about you know the house version of mock raking so subpoenas hearings investigations into trump's sexual peccadilloes however far in the past into his taxes into giving jerry kush narrow security clearance in a position. the miller has to gauge and was small for the same blood spurted out
there if you look at public opinion polls before the midterms russia gate doesn't rate and seeing very important with the public it is with the democrats of course and with the liberal media it didn't pay the many divisions i think in the election so they're still going to do it. no no you're correct they are going to push it partly resisted them across through they haven't really come up with a clear political message in terms of what's wrong with the country. and how do we move forward so instead they go yeah well they say that trump is narcissistic can only talk about himself but the democrats they also do the same deal only talk about trump so that they really get going and then someone off to the took the house was the first message is a came out always should get trump's talks as if we should do you teach kind of a no we shouldn't teach trump my goal of this is an offensive because it will go through the republican controlled senate but nonetheless if you can. jump in here goes by so fast gentlemen i have run out of time many thanks my guests here in
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