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the storage. space missions. to seventy. percent. record. both of the sins of the slave will. live no course under this scenario the world's going to say boy i was nuts with the mustard so if. this is. a. lot of fellows up on the telephone i am.
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ok see that because the way that nobody else to look at the mud on your body is to blow its most potent smoke the show such as the fluid souls when. you were doing it was. a low in welcome across or all things are considered i'm peter lavelle is the idea of peace in yemen and authentic also trump is insulted the europeans might defend
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themselves and russia gate front and center again. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow marx lubov. he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have dimitri bobbitt she's a political analyst with sputnik international and we have glenn does and he is a professor of the higher school of economics as well as author of the decay of western civilization and resurgence of russia all right as usual german cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i would appreciate david let me go to you first here donald trump went to paris for the. ceremonies commemorating the end of the first world war the bringing of peace after that carnage of four wars four years and twenty million dead in twenty million casualties. he felt insulted that his host president mccrone in france
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proposed a real european army very insulting to really insulting peter considering he trims very dismissive attitude towards nato in a number of ways how do you respond to it well. normally what would you could you russia should be insulted because actually here's what you said faced with russia which is that our borders and has shown that it can be a threat we need a europe which you fail to itself better without just depending or there were other states in a more sordid manner and that quote so little globalist is kind of interesting coming out of his mo who is threatened here if you want to build a european army against the united states no against russia he says it quite openly and i think it's a disgrace one hundred years after the war in which france and russia were on the same site in which millions of russians that he says that russia which is know it all bought us he forgets to mention why russia is at the borders of the european
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union it's not because russia expend it is because nato and the european union expend that not paying any attention to any concerns that russia might might graze about it only mention russia did he also wanted to you know this is a series of russia china and we. all are fearing the imminent chinese invasion of europe on the other side of the world i know i am right you know trying to use troops or about the disembark on normandy i pretty sure but he also mentioned the united states and even the united states he said that talking about the need to defend against now this talk is simply trying to put on warhawk credentials come on france can't even pay two percent of its g.d.p. according to nato strictures and he's talking up a european union army like the sun came here i think and what i want to talk about also the reports that mcchrystal did not want putin interim glenn jumping. also
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said this is not a new idea though it's actually here i'll share with you here the national interest last week wrote an article that article washington smothers independent european security issues the entire history of it since one thousand nine hundred one six months after the soviet union collapsed. in germany for the petersburg task force which was the purpose was to develop military capabilities for their opinion now they were able to strike a compromise with the united states in which they would have a clear division of labor usually nato would do the interventionist in the nations and the the e.u. would do the dishes and then to do the peacekeeping or the training so bad cop i'm going to. go to softer one but i would political. so the us military go in there but what has happened now of course is there's been more push for a new army because trump is alienated europeans and we've come through forget that
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the british has been the main want to obstruct in the army and now with brics it they're pretty much out of the way and from france they've been pushing for all that to develop the security initiative outside the structures and the germans would like to bring it in so you have all the different incentives for developing the army about. i think also an important point is that the e.u. . through the struggling for its existence another purpose a reason why people join to use political and economic reasons and economical it's flopping is going from crisis to crisis so i think there is a need now to actually get a new purpose for the u.s. it looks like that's pivoting to what is new is there any indication even that the europeans want to have their own army well it depends on which european on the name of the elite something about nouriel the europeans normal europeans i think see no threat from russia they're sequels the wars in the middle east they don't want to europe to support these surgeons in syria they don't want europe to ball believe beer in order to kill the you know qaddafi and plunge the country into the civil
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war but if you look at what has been going on since one thousand nine hundred two the european union actually started more was the united states i remember how how the whole thing in libya started it was not the united states it was sarkozy and the french planes that boarded first. how did the yugoslav war began begin there was a logical in the more which said some people think that the united states started all of this no paris a lot of them asked you know they will all of the united states to go together with them in in in in do was let it in course of the united states was providing air support the ground operation was conducted by european troops if you look at the history of european union since one thousand nine hundred two they didn't make peace with any of you know the united states at least improved relations with cuba somewhat now trump is destroying you with that the only quarreled with russia with yugoslavia with libya with syria with iran with anyone who objects so basically and
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the one that called for a microwave he is saying that europe needs to be kind of for defensive against the united states only one hundred thirty i'm i mean i just you know i mean is this is this something is this some kind of gambit that mccrone is playing right now because i don't i don't see there's a lot of pool. will certainly no political guts and there's certainly no funding for such a thing this is largely a political move and we could just dismiss miss this as. you know across on this version of fake news and fact i think a lot of this is simply a way of striking striking back against trump's criticisms of and demanding that european countries spend more on their defense as part of nato structures now let's remember all european countries have their own national armies most of them you know in significant except of course for like france and the united kingdom. if you
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sort of turkey is not part of the e.u. of course but it's part of nato right. and they also are also part of nato structures but they still can't most of them all but five of them can't even spend two percent of their g.d.p. on the military in fact this may actually be the discussions of it may actually be a way to cut the military spending because france and the united kingdom have previously in the last three before brags that of course been involved in cooperation where they share military resources. because they can't afford you know this global type militaries you know capable of power projection around the world and you know this is what the european union you know these countries like france are really concerned about it's not defending their own countries it's being able to project military power in africa in the middle east in age right we recently saw a united kingdom. believe french troops involved in the south china sea all right
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in these military parades that you know the u.s. is putting on their saber rattling against china so i don't think we should take talk of an e.u. army seriously if anything this is just a way for him to try to hit back strong i mean let's say in an imaginary world. because nato is certainly not going to go away anytime soon but in an imaginary world if there is this rift growing rift between the e.u. and the united states would european elites still consider russia a threat because you'd have to go through a threat analysis here and because a lot of it is driven by russia is driven by the united states mccrone can pick up on it but. i'm basically convinced the do europeans would want to actually engage russia in terms of security and not deeming it is a as an enemy i don't necessarily agree because if you look at what the european union's done in terms of economic nomic terms when they looked at how to engage
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with the neighbors of the common neighborhood house with russia it has always used tools such as such as eastern partnership which excludes the russians when they have now reached trying to reach further into eurasia they want to mention here is an economic union so this kind of this very serious some approach some of the europeans would like to take on the idea of being a military. competitor to russia you're telling me that no i'm saying that they have no interest in harmonizing their interests and integration efforts with or with russia i think wants and i'm not i'm not saying that but i don't know what i'm saying is it will be deemed as the same kind of enemy ok militarily. some military power stuff becomes the reasons for a reason for the u. texas to come take another so this is a this is the defense of the european union yeah ok it's not but many of nato that is expanding to the east though by hook or crook we have to remember that the current crisis in ukraine was precipitated not by nato expansion yet
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right not by military move but by the e.u. graph going to meall liberal shock therapy diktats of an e.u. association agreement and when at the last minute the ukrainian president yannick which backed down because he wasn't getting the billions in funding he expected to be able to finance these deep deal liberal shock therapy cuts and said no not now not under these conditions and we did that is when the european countries in the us openly quite openly on the streets of kiev to crowds cheering for the overthrow of the government they actively participated in that if that's not meddling. i don't know what the german foreign minister there chairman of the sitting in parliament this head of the european diplomacy catherine ashton they were cheering there were supporting then the peaceful protesters who capital punishment you know
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what is meant in if not this and again you know this praise from across that everyone keeps misquote you said that basically we should be wary all the pull is just sort of the united states that can threaten europe security one of these voices will remember how trump won the election unexpectedly in two thousand and sixteen and tromp one promising peace with russia what was the reaction from europe all it's not that ok no one is to say i got to get over the break here hold on to that i got ok we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll community question on some real news stay with our. you know world of big partisan mob and conspiracy it's time to wake up
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to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. during the past thirty years lebanon has been subject to six invasions from israel . six invasions at practically every every every five years we are having. one let's say and this is definitely the thing he had never. tired to imagine decades after the war
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a nazi doctor was still active. in the nineteen seventies crittle had as the chair of its board a man convicted of mass murder and slavery. the german company gruntal developed for the divide a drug that was promoted as completely safe even during pregnancy. it turned out to have terrible side effects what has happened to my baby anything. you know she said she's just got short arms minix a little mind victims i have to this day received no compensation they never apologized for the suffering that not only want the money i want the revenge. well to make across like we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to
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remind you we're discussing some real news. or let me go i think going to finish up on. being insulted in mccrone. trying to be the new sun king of europe i just want to make the point that i don't think the european union really believes that russian tanks are going to roll into poland but but my my point is that the. existence of the e.u. based on military threats to the huge russian neighbor is going to be a key focus and as a comparison though i think it's worth looking at nato in the early ninety's because when the soviet union collapsed what happened to nato nato itself said we need to either get out of the area or out of business out. the recession meant we need to start expanding intervening otherwise if we don't do this with a higher purpose and more in and they too will fall apart a problem if the eve becomes dependent becomes reposition itself as a military power dissension will go down the same path they will it will need and
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then in order to exist if that is russia if wants to exert to express european solver and t. from the united states and other countries may i suggest that he starts not with an with a military but with political and intelligence independence from the united states i mean i certainly remember in the last couple of years revelations through wiki leaks that the cia had penetrated every single significant french political party right not worry about russia naggers about the cia and french political parties or when obama's intelligence was bugging merkel's bulbul followed right where was the big reaction against that you want to start expressing some sovereignty and independence try doing it with your intelligence and politically you know we're going to finish up on it was basically recognized by the united states that they
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need to download radians phone conversations over the french and the spanish so what the problem is you know when you're talking about you're a been dependent on the united states you have to you have to make it more clear which you later states obama and hillary their review in their in their. are all ultra liberal circles in europe ruled in circles in europe before any of these people come back to power russia will have a united front against you know this will be all forgotten exactly and there is a very widespread view in russia that somehow the united states is bad and the united europe may be good for russia well let me remind the russians that there were two times in history when you were like that military under not bordello and under. both times the consequences for russia what dread catastrophic all right it's which here is here. i started out by the program program saying asking the question is the idea of peace in yemen and if that it will glenn i mean there was
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a lot of rhetoric over the last few weeks but now the demand that it be you to say should have some kind of past of all the hostilities in yemen have gone on deaf ears the punishment for shogi is still to be revealed. and the united states is said i don't think it's happened get that it will no longer refuel saudi planes bombing yemen is it was this all just p.r. it's just business as usual war in yemen yeah i think it's mostly for signaling of course with this murder in the consulate a lot of the u.s. media discovered that there's a war in yemen and you know while we're not amazing we're going to be watching this program but you've been watching this program you know it all the time but you're correct it's often portrayed as a saudi war against women but it's very much a u.s. u.s. all the war against him because the united states provides the weapons the training isn't just refuse logistics just intelligence most importantly the targeting is
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what leads gives to targets so this is pretty much pulled the trigger and. that's the end of it so i think. this this this idea that the united states can't do more to the saudis is false but that's because the u.s. has a stake in the outcome of this war as well so i don't i think this is mostly a signal in congress pushing for it probably the most is pushing for the most dreadful signal that has come out is that the trumpet ministration may designate the who'd be as terrorists i mean if that's if that isn't mixed signals ok pompei of the war most come to an end and then the state department in the defense department may designate the big terms in this war as being terrorists i mean i. it is really i don't know it's been. definition of terrorism they're talking to clear the roof these terrorists are not saudi arabia right i mean we had a quote from the washington post this week that you are smilin theory leaders
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continue to see saudi arabia as a key partner in the counterterrorism fight that has dominated the pentagon operations two thousand one hundred it's a mess those of us orwellian according to the. clinton e-mails us intelligence says that saudi arabia and qatar are war funding and arming isis al qaida. and boko haram right so i mean who is all excited that terrorism here now this is just dumb this is absolutely is glenn so this is just signaling this is the minimum step they can take to try to drive our degree of public perception remove they continue to provide arms see for i am. going to tell you is this all as usual about iran saudi arabia is absolutely necessary with america's pathological obsession with iran. and with iran i don't
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think the united states itself as a country is interested in all this mass but let's look at the persians let's look at the peace makers from the united states which is to force to stop all of this cruel things from happening there is a report from reuters that cia director general hospital the audio recording solve his death you know when she visited the stumble i can imagine her reaction so what after all the presence that they. ran in you were up in other places was she really impressed by what you don't at least when you know when you're under pressure or with the first thing that went into her leg was damage control that's when we drew mike to the peril of my company or you know you want him to save yemen when he says about iraq you saw that this week iraq's leadership to make a decision. whether they want their people to eat and of quote well that's a step up from you know act like a normal country i think that was the quote before i think this is wonderful from pompeo because he's actually admitting white u.s.
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motivations with sanctions on any country and so he's always been right he says he speaks out the other side of his mouth of supporting the iranian people against the whole us at the same time he says that the iranian leaders had better get in line with us foreign policy if they want their people to eat i mean this is the same time thing we saw with north korea when t. rex rex tillerson was saying that with the advent of ghost ships with north korea that we were starting to see some real the same sions were starting to have an effect which is because the north koreans were sending fishing ships out without even a nuffield to get back home they were so desperate to provide food right and we saw the same thing all the way back with madeleine albright and iraq when she said it was worth it right however real you know we can debate you know the numbers that were involved in the question also is she five hundred thousand half a million she as the question was phrased she accepted the premise and said it was
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worth it to kill to starve a billion children happens they think and for me is is it and maybe it won't make a difference because the news cycle is so short in the attention span of people in so short that i mean for the first time during this horrific war actually got some coverage i mean even in the mainstream media here. with this more public awareness here and i know that there are members of congress i don't know how high on the list after the midterms but i mean yemen is part of the conversation now like it has never been before but that also applies to shape the narrative but i do agree that i think congress has pushed for doing much more than scaling back support. with much more than simply the refueling but we'll see that the narrative is shifting as well that's why you know this week the saudis started saying you know we stand with the people of yemen because i'm not sure how that works but i know if. i saw that i didn't. think i said something rather snide on facebook about
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a do not a state pushing the there. that they're a terrorist group. of course we're pushing for a cease fire so i think because you know tens of thousands of people were killed the u.n. warned millions of children. on the risk of starvation so they freeze if you go into this. catastrophe i think this time and the media's focusing on that now i think there's really only been earned him some kind of momentum or i mentioned three topics in my introduction i want to get to the third one oh russia gate where of you did welcome back here mark. i mean we have that now we're going to have a shift in congress where they will go into the g.o.p.'s head and investigations into the right the democrats and the investigations and the d.o.j. and the f.b.i. will probably go away. yeah i mean certainly with the house control what were
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investigations that were there as far as i'm concerned paul ryan never put enough force behind you know as a counter reaction to you know the political nature of the way trying to you know with the mueller investigation going after metaphors back taxes really i mean that's that's what you come up with it's just silly but now you know the democrats will launch you will see a flood of subpoenas they will put as many republicans and figures in the trump administration as possible under oath in the provoking of questions just hoping they say something stupid and law i write however inconsequentially about something you know that has nothing to do with actual russia gate collusion or anything. like that you know they'll go into their own personal histories and taxes and everything like this because this is all about you know the house version of mark raking so subpoenas hearings investigations into trump's sexual peccadilloes
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however far in the past into his taxes into giving jerry cushion or security clearance in a position. the miller has to gauge it was small but i think a blood sport about this if you look at public opinion polls before the midterms russia gate doesn't rate as seeing very important with the public it is with the democrats of course and with the liberal media it didn't pay them any dividends i think in the election they're still going to do it. no but you're correct they are going to push it part of the reason is to democrats through haven't really come up with a clear political message in terms of what's wrong with the country and how do we move forward so instead they go yeah well they say that trump is narcissistic and all the talk about himself but the democrats they will to do the same do only talk about trump so that they really get going in the summer when off to the took the house was the first message is a came out always should get trump's tax hasn't we should you know we shouldn't
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teach trump like all of this is offensive because it will go through the republican controlled senate but nonetheless if you can. jump in here goes by so fast gentlemen we're running out of time many thanks to my guests here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember. when lawmakers manufacture consent to the public will. when the really close. protect themselves. with the finest. certainly don't want. to ignore middle of the
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