tv Cross Talk RT November 12, 2018 11:30am-12:01pm EST
as we are having. and this is definitely come up do you have. a low in welcome across or all things are considered i'm peter lavelle is the idea of peace in yemen and ethical also trump is insulted the europeans might defend themselves and russia gate front and center again. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have dimitri bobbitt she's
a political analyst with sputnik international and we have these and he is a professor at the higher school of economics as well as author of the decay of western civilization and resurgence of russia all right as usual gentlemen cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i was appreciated de mint let me go to you first here donald trump went to paris for the . ceremonies commemorating the end of the first world war the bringing of peace after that carnage of four wars four years and twenty million dead and twenty million casualties. he felt insulted that his host president mccrone in france proposed a real european army very rarely insulting me considering he trims very dismissive attitude towards nato in a number of ways how do you respond to it well. normally what would you could do russia should be insulted because actually grown here is what you said faced with russia which is that the. borders and has shown that it can be a threat we need
a europe which defends itself better without just depend on or do without the states in a more sordid manner and that quote so little globalist is kind of interesting coming out of his mo who is threatened here. going to be able to european army against the united states no against russia he says it quite openly and i think it's a disgrace hundred years after the war in which province and russia were on the same site in which millions of russians that he says it russia which is know it all bought us he forgets to mention why russia is at the borders of the european union it's not because russia expend it is because nato and the european union expend that not paying any attention to any concerns that russia might might graze about it only mention russia did he also wanted to you know this is deja he said he's of russia china and we all are fearing the imminent chinese invasion of europe on the
other side of the world i know i am right you know trying to use troops or about the disembark and you know normandy pretty sure but he also mentioned the united states and even the united states he said that talking about the need to defend against now this talk is simply trying to put on warhawk credentials come on france can't even pay two percent of its g.d.p. according to nato strictures and he's talking up a european union army like the sun came here i think and what i want to talk about also the reports that mccrone did not want putin in trump to me glenn jumping. also said this is not a new idea though it's actually here i'll share with you here the national interest last week wrote an article that article washington smothers independent european security initiatives the entire history of it since one thousand nine hundred one six months after the soviet union collapsed. in germany for the petersburg
task force which was the purpose was to develop military capabilities for the european union now they were able to strike a compromise with the united states in which they would have a clear division of labor usually nato would do the interventionist in the nations . the e.u. would do the dishes and do the peacekeeping or the training so bad cop i mean yeah yeah just off to one but i would call that equals leave the u.s. military to go in there but what has happened of course is there's been more push for an e.u. army because trump is alienated europeans and we've come through forget that the british has been the main want to obstruct in the army with bricks that they're pretty much out of the way and from france they've been pushing for all to develop the security initiative outside the structures and the germans would like to bring it in so you have all the different incentives for developing the army about. i think also an important point is that the e.u. is through the struggling for its existence now the purpose the reason why people
join the u.s. political and economic reasons and economically it's flopping is going from crisis to crisis so i think there is a need now to actually get a new purpose for the u.s. and it looks like that's pivoting to what is new is there any indication even that the europeans want to have their own army well it depends on your opinion on the name of the elite something about nor will the europeans normal europeans i think see no threat from russia there sequel the wars in the middle east they don't want to europe to support the show agents in syria they don't want europe to ball believe beer in order to kill their then you know qaddafi and plunge the country into the civil war but well look at what has been going on since one thousand nine hundred two the european union actually started more was the united states i remember how how the whole thing in libya started it wasn't the united states it was sarkozy and the french planes that boarded first. how did the yugoslav.
beginning there was a logical in the moment which said some people think that the united states started all of this no paris a lot of them asked you know they will of the united states to go together with them in india was like that in course of the united states was providing air support the ground operation was conducted by european troops if you look at the history of european union since one thousand nine hundred two they didn't make peace with any of us you know if you let the states at least improved relations with cuba somewhat now trump is destroying you with that the only quarreled with russia with yugoslavia with libya with syria with iran with anyone who objects so basically and they want that cold which he is saying that you were open needs to be kind of for a defensive play against the united states only one hundred thirty and i mean if you i mean is this is this something is this some kind of gambit that mccrone is playing right now because i don't i don't see there's a lot of political goodwill and certainly no political guts and there's certainly
no funding for such a thing this is largely a political move and we could just dismiss miss this as. you know this version of fake news and fact i think a lot of this is simply a way of striding striking back against trump's criticisms of and demanding that european countries spend more on their defense as part of nato structures now let's remember all the european countries have their own national armies most of them you know in significant except of course for like france and the united kingdom. if you sort of turkey is not part of the e.u. of course but it's part of nato right. and. they all are also part of nato structures but they still can't most of them all but five of them can't even spend two percent of their g.d.p. on the military in fact this may actually be the discussions of it may actually be a way to cut the military. spending because france and the united kingdom have
previously in the last three before break that of course been involved in cooperation where they share military resources. because they can't afford you know this global type militaries you know capable of power projection around the world and you know this is what the european union you know these countries like france are really concerned about it's not defending their own countries it's being able to project military power in africa in the middle east in ager right we recently saw a united kingdom. french troops involved in the south china sea right in these military parades and you know the u.s. is putting on their saber rattling against china so i don't think we should take talk of an e.u. army seriously if anything this is just the way for him to try to hit back strong i mean let's say in an imaginary world because nato is certainly not going to go away
any time soon but in an imaginary world here if there is a rift growing rift between the e.u. and the united states would european elites still consider russia a threat because you'd have to go through a threat analysis here and because a lot of it is driven by russia it's driven by the united states mccrone can pick up on it but. i'm basically convinced the do europeans would want to actually engage russia in terms of security and not deeming it is a as an enemy i don't necessarily agree because if you look at what the european union's done in terms of economic anomic terms when they looked at. each with its neighbors all the common neighborhood house with russia it has always used tools such as such a. partnership which excludes the russians when they have now reached trying to reach further into eurasia they want to mention here is an economic union so this kind of a serious some approach some of the europeans would. like to take on the idea of
being a military. competitor to russia you're telling me that no i'm saying that they have no interest in harmonizing their interests and integration efforts with with russia i think once i'm not i'm not telling them but i don't know what i'm saying is it will be deemed the same kind of enemy ok militarily the. military power stuff becomes the reasons for a reason for the u. texas to come take another so this is a this is the defense of the european union ok it's not but move nato that is expanding to the east though by hook or crook we have to remember that the current crisis in ukraine was precipitated not by nato expansion yet right not by military move but by the e.u. graf going to need a liberal shock therapy diktats of an e.u. association agreement and when at the last minute the ukrainian president unocal which backed down because he wasn't getting the billions in funding he expected to
be able to finance these deep deal liberal shock therapy cuts and said no not now not under these conditions and we did that is when the european countries in the us openly quite openly on the streets of kiev to crowds cheering for the overthrow of the government they actively participated in that if that's not meddling i don't know what truman foreign minister their chairman of the syrian parliament the head of the european diplomacy catherine ashton they were cheering there were supporting the the peaceful protesters who capital punishment you know what is if not this and again you know this praise from micron that everyone keeps misquote at micro said that basically we should be wary all the bullish is sort of the united states that can threaten europe security one of these voices will remember how to. won the election unexpectedly befuddle sixteen and trump will draw
a missing piece with russia what was their reaction from europe oh it's not that ok we don't want to say i got to get over the break here hold on to that thought ok we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll communal discussion on some real news stay with our. i've been saying the numbers mean something they matter u.s. has over one trillion dollars in debt more than ten points over time stamping this . eighty five percent of global wealth you want to be ultra rich eight point six percent market saw thirty percent rise last year some with four hundred to five hundred three per second per second and bitcoin rose to twenty thousand dollars.
china is building a two point one billion dollar ai industrial park but don't let the numbers overwhelm. the only numbers you need to remember is one one business showed you can afford to miss one and only by. joining the past thirty is lebanon has been subject to six invasions from israel. six invasions. practically every every five years we are having. one that's and this is definitely the thing to help them but. it's hard to imagine the decades after the war a nazi don't tell was still active rich in the nineteen seventies criminal had as the chair of its board a man convicted of mass murder and slavery and. it's
a german company gruntal developed so the denied a drug that was promoted as completely safe even during pregnancy. it turned out to have terrible side effects what has happened to my baby if anything fell yeah she said she's just got short arms minix a little mind victims have to this day received no compensation they never apologized for the suffering that not only want the money i want the revenge. well to make across like we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. or let me go back to glenn here is finish up on the trump being insulted in mccrone . trying to be the new sun king of europe i just want to make the point that i don't think the european union really believes that russian tanks are going to roll
into poland but but my my point is that if you stick systems on the e.u. based on military threats then the huge russian neighbor is going to be a key focus and as a comparison though i think it's worth looking at nato in the early ninety's because when the soviet union collapsed what happened to nato nato itself said we need to either get out of the area or out of business out of the recession meant we need to start expanding intervening. if you don't do this with a higher purpose and more in and they will fall apart my problem if the e.u. becomes dependent becomes reposition itself as a military power descension will go down the same path they will it will need and then in order to exist if that is russia if mccraw and wants to exert it to express european solver and t. from the united states and other countries may i suggest that he starts not with the military but with political and intelligence. independence from the united
states i mean i certainly remember in the last couple of years revelations through wiki leaks that the cia had penetrated every single significant french political party right not worry about russian naggers about the cia and french political parties or when obama's intelligence was bugging mark boal bill followed right where was the big reaction against that you want to start expressing some sovereignty and independence try doing it with your intelligence and politically you know we're not going to ship it was basically recognized by the united states that they need to download reveals phone conversations over the french and the spanish so what the problem is you know when you're talking about europe been dependent on the united states you have to you have to make it more clear we united states obama and hillary they're reviewed in their in their liberal
ultra liberal circles in europe ruled in circles in europe before any of these people come back to power russia will have a united front against you know this will be all forgotten exactly and there is a very widespread view in russia that somehow the united states is bad and the united europe may be good for russia but let me remind the russians that there were two times in history when you were. on the board oh and under hitler both times the consequences for russia what prejudiced that switch gears here. i started out by the program program saying asking the question is the idea of peace in yemen and i thought a call glenn i mean there was a lot of rhetoric over the last few weeks but now the demand that it be you to say should have some kind of pos of all the hostilities in yemen have gone on deaf ears the punishment for. to be revealed. and the united states is said i don't think it's happened yet that it will no longer. a saudi plane
bombing yemen is it was this all just p.r. it's just business as usual war and in yemen. i think it's mostly for signaling of course with this murder in the consulate a lot of the u.s. media discovered that there's a war in yemen and you know while we're not amazing we're going to be watching this program today but you've been watching this program you know it all the time but you're correct it's often portrayed as a solid war against him but it's very much for us us the war against him because the united states provides the weapons the training isn't just a refueling logistics just intelligence most importantly the targeting is what lead gives to target so this pretty much pulled the trigger and. then that's the end of it so i think. this this this idea that the united states come to more to the saudis is false but that's because the u.s. has a stake in the outcome of this war as well so i don't i think this is mostly
a signal in congress the pushing for it probably the most is pushing for the most dreadful signal that has come out is that the trump administration may designate the who'd be as terrorists i mean if that's if that isn't mixed signals ok pompei of the war most come to an end and then the state department in the defense department may designate the big terms in this war as being terrorists i mean i. it is i don't know and definition of terrorism they're talking to clear that who feeds terrorists and not saudi arabia right i mean we have a quote from the washington post this week that you are smilin theory leaders continue to see saudi arabia as a key partner in the counterterrorism fight that has dominated the pentagon operation in two thousand when they were it's only us those ideas or well you know according to the. clinton e-mails us intelligence says that saudi arabia and qatar are war funding and arming isis. al qaeda. and
boko haram so i mean who is all excited with the terrorism here now this is just dumb this is absolutely is this is just signaling this is the minimum step they can take to try to dry our degree of public perception remove they continue to provide arms see for. that and then we go to this as usual about iran saudi arabia is absolutely necessary with america's pathological obsession with iran where it's the no upset with iran i don't think the united states itself as a country is interested in all of this mass but let's look at the process let's look at the peace makers from the united states which is to force to stop all of this cruel things from happening there is a report from reuters that cia director general hospital that the audio recording solve his death you know when she visited the stumble i can imagine her reaction so
what after all the presence that this year around you were up in other places was she really impressed by what you want at least when you know when you're under pressure or with the first thing that went into her leg was damage control that's with literally running from mike to the peril of my company or you know you want him to save yemen when he says about iraq you saw that this week iraq's leadership to make a decision whether they want their people to eat and of course well that's a step up from you know act like a normal country i think that was the quote before i think this is wonderful from pompeo because he's actually admitting white u.s. motivations with sanctions on any country and so he's always been right he's he speaks out the other side of his mouth of supporting the iranian people against the whole us at the same time he says that the iranian leaders would better get in line with u.s. foreign policy if they want their people to eat i mean this is the same time. and
we saw it with north korea when t.-rex rex tillerson was saying that with the advent of ghost ships with north korea that we were starting to see some real the same sions were starting to have an effect which is because the north koreans were sending fishing ships out without even a nuffield to get back home they were so desperate to provide food right and we saw the same thing all the way back with madeleine albright and iraq when she said it was worth it right however real you know we can debate you know the numbers that were involved in the question also is she a five hundred dollars half a million she as the question was phrased she accepted the premise and said it was worth it to kill to starve a million children happens they think and for me is maybe it won't make a difference because the news cycle is so short in the attention span of people in so short that i mean for the first time during this horrific war actually got some coverage i mean even in the mainstream media here. with this more public
awareness here and i know that there are members of congress i don't know how high on the list after the midterms but i mean yemen is part of the conversation now like it has never been before but that also implies there's need to shape the narrative but i do agree that i think congress has pushed for doing much more than scaling back support with much more than simply the refuelling but we see that the narrative is shifting as well that's why you know this week the saudis to started saying you know we stand with the people of yemen because i'm not sure how that works but i know if i don't i saw that i didn't. think i said something rather snide on facebook i'm going to do not a states are pushing the they're. here that they're a terrorist group and of course we're pushing for a cease fire so i think because you know tens of thousands of people were killed the u.n. warned about the millions of children are and are in the risk of starvation. and so
if it is if we go into this huge humanitarian catastrophe i think it's time and the media is focusing on that now i think that is they really need to start hopefully i don't know if i have some kind of a minute or i mentioned three topics in my introduction i want to get to the third one now russia gate where of you did welcome back here mark. i mean we have that now we're going to have a shift in congress where they will go into the g.o.p.'s hand and investigations into the right the democrats and the investigations and the d.o.j. and the f.b.i. will probably go away. yeah i mean certainly with the house control what were investigations that were there as far as i'm concerned paul ryan never put enough force behind you know as a counter reaction to you know the political nature of the way you know with the mueller investigation going after metaphor it's back taxes really i mean that's that's what you come up with it's just silly but now you know the democrats will
launch you will see a flood of subpoenas they will put as many republicans and figures in the trump administration as possible under oath to give them provocative questions just hoping they say something stupid and law i write however inconsequentially about something you know that has nothing to do with actual russia gate collusion or anything like that you know they'll go into their own personal histories and taxes and everything like this because this is all about you know the house version of mock raking so subpoenas hearings investigations into trump's sexual peccadilloes however far in the past into his taxes into giving jerry kush narrow security clearance in a position. the miller has to gauge and was small for this thing a blood sport about this even if you look at public opinion polls before the midterms russia gate doesn't rate and seeing very important with the public it is
with the democrats of course and with the liberal media it didn't pay the many divisions i think in the election so they're still going to do it. no but you're correct they are going to push it partly resisted democrats through haven't really come up with a clear political message in terms of what's wrong with the country. and how do we move forward so instead they go yeah well they say that trump is narcissistic can only talk about himself but the democrats they all to do the same do only talk about trump so that they're really good so when in the summer when the off to the took the house was the first message is a came out always should get trump's tax as an issue did you know we shouldn't pitch trump like all of this is you know francis because it will go through the republican controlled senate but nonetheless if you can can ok jump in here goes by so fast gentlemen we have run out of time many thanks to my guests here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember topples.
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