tv Cross Talk RT November 19, 2018 7:30pm-8:01pm EST
years may's plan is not a can it's still in but not completely out of the european union this is not what the people voted for what was your read or what without reading the full five hundred pages either myself or do you draw your conclusions from the fact that her own breaks that secretary has resided i mean this is her team is falling apart her team is in revolt her party is in revolt the other party you know the labor doesn't seem involved at all under jeremy corbin's leadership they're perfectly willing to see may's government go down in flames at this point and i don't blame them but at the same time she's sticking to her guns we'll see how this story develops right here but it's not i mean i think the most important point here is it here is that this is not what the electorate voted for it is a appears to be a halfway measure may has actually indicated. actually that in her defense of her
plan to leave the european union. this is almost two years of negotiations. always been quite explicit the bricks of mince bricks it entails living the customs union. but the plan doesn't know the way it stands now that might stay in the customs union in perpetuity the second is no jurisdiction over britain and that has also been accepted that they will have so the two main aspects which has actually been saying that these are two red lines both of them she has given him so it's quite an extraordinary position and i don't think that it is unfair to say that this would make almost britain a colony of the e.u. and you have to see the unity she's been able to bring though because now the brics a terrorist also want to leave britain there is such a thing would be better to stay in the e.u. than this deal and people who want to remain there essentially saying now well many of them are saying we will be willing to crush out of the e.u. would. and the deal than this because this is the worst of all worlds and
especially everyone is coming against her and that is. it's a halfway measure here i mean we get off it's a new colony without representation exactly like i mean because basically i mean i know that on like immigration everyone it's very clear in this document here but it seems that they will still be in in the customs union with the european union without any say whatsoever but being in the european union they have leverage now of the most important element the economy there being they're giving away to brussels well it solves a lot of taxation without representation but the question is did the british or the citizens of the or we need a country did they haven't you seen the first place i mean the e.u. made it very clear that they will make it as painful for britain as possible so that they will teach a lesson to us don't leave the union it's going to be costly but it's in the end
and it's going to backfire because the e.u. all regular looks like a call horse called horse which is permanently at war at war in libya at the war in yugoslavia it would in other places and now people who find out that once you or even that cohort there's no way to get you know get out where is democracy stand in all of this because i keep going back to the vote this is what the the electorate wanted mark is that because people are going to be questioning this week i mean what's the point of voting if you do if the the ruling class doesn't follow through part of it of course is the problem that when people voted they weren't there were no deal for them to vote on it was clear david cameron never intended to call the vote for it to succeed so that the tory party had no plan for it breaks it because they didn't want it and it was the insurgents the backbenchers right and. you know
the euro skeptics like for asure who lead the voice of the people in this but there has never been a plan put forward people voted for brags that there was nearly no way does. that matter of course now that is going to now be used as a excuse i believe for a bowling break that to begin with because this is this was this means play all along i think this is this is there might be a degree of intentionality here to have the whole mess. down in flames so badly that then there is an excuse to shift a second vote to parliament for a second i don't know if it would be fifty percent of the electorate but it would be a good chunk of the electorate would find that to be of betrayal and i think they will listen to is to explain how such a horrible deal could come in either they're just they're incompetent or second if . they wanted us i could you could stop there is no doubt that the second on the
senate not only david cameron didn't want breaks it's like threesome a was running on remaining in the e.u. and they made her essentially in charge of bringing the u.k. out of the e.u. so there's been a lot of secrecy during these negotiations and once you put forward this deal she made the threat to censure saying this doesn't go through that might not be a bricks at all so this is quite astonishing after saying for two years brics it means that's what's going on right now is that on the twenty fifth of november there is some kind of signing ceremony where this is going to happen with the e.u. but it seems to deal with that the plan isn't complete yet ok i mean this will be very interesting to see what is signed if it signed at all then the public will be told what the british prime minister actually signed up to the letter there is a deadline for these and we promised that i guess march they're going to write that to date. to the whole the u.k.
will be all too over the new but i'm not sure about that anymore they might be i mean to me briggs that means briggs does briggs exhibit i mean it will be out of the e.u. but will they be out of the look how these big government scolds you know it's a euro official sure to their nations which are not compliant. because the former. prime minister who is now the chairman of the european union he recently said in an interview with a polish newspaper to go to the polish media paula may float over the just like the u.k. we inadvertently fellow and that's going to be a disaster and you can see his strategy he wants to go back to a porsche politics and be looked at the president so his message is if you want one thing in trouble you don't want the same also that the u.k. is going through vote for me because i am the one the calm that will not cost it is
. it's basically it's. going to feel among us fear mongering or it's clear that breaks it means breaks it but what does break mean and what does mean that's i mean i mean this is the absurdity we're in here right now i do agree i agree this is a measure of incompetence but i also the agree that there is a measure of intentionality and we could call it incompetent intentionality behind what about what about this because this is my gut feeling here is that interest in me is going to keep the tories together even after these resignations because behind closed doors are saying do you want me to be next prime minister this is the leverage she has right now ok because the many people particularly the deep state because of jeremy's foreign policy attitudes the do not want to see him as prime minister putin private just going there i wanted to say that the. you have to this
perfect storm with brags it could only happen while jeremy corbyn is leading the labor party this is why new labor in the u.k. lead the media even that the supposedly leftwing guardian have been so desperate to overthrow him because he regards the people's vote on brags that as the democracy the people have spoken any other labor leader any new labor leader would have provided a revolt against a referendum shifted the vote the parliament called for a second referendum but they can't do that with jeremy corey because he's the threat on the other side of may's government falls there is the threat that threat of all threats that the specter of haunting europe that is corban would be elected and that's a perfect storm for exactly i think fortunately the british media doesn't have one and be for jeremy corbyn becoming the prime minister just like that and they continue to write because they didn't have to let example donald trump he was lord
supposed to william and the people who vote for this referendum you know if tony blair was in charge of the labor party they will come for all involved saying that the deplorable vote and so what you know that was the message from the american that lead to the american people of the american people elected trump eurobasket bill deplorable are we going to listen to what you want to say well we're not going to listen to the left wing the floor is actually i think i think other what might happen is because now they're going to have this as i should be the e.u. . except they won't have a new voting rights i think if there's upside to being a little bit pregnant. you get the sense but i think that's if that's what happens i think there'll be a strong incentive to essentially put it to british people listen they want to at least this is what breaks it means it means everything's the same except they don't have a say or do want to join and so used to typical e.u. strategy does have this which has many elections as you need to get your result this is good. name they play that all the time this is that you format this every
every for a friend i'm a vote that doesn't go there would you have to do it over again of course is a british decision but the elites are kind of close on this and i think that the system of voting to get the right answer i believe they call that a democracy in the e.u. if somebody goes back to my original question what is the state of democracy finish up with if you remember the. vote or referendums on the constitution for europe the british and us are the french and the dutch they voted no so essentially an irish and irish and they relabeled of us being. the lead in this community and then they didn't need to have the vote anymore said just pushed it through except the irish it did i hope that we're going to go to a break here after that break we'll continue our discussion on some real news staying with our.
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welcome after cross talk we're all things are considered on purely discussing some real news. oh ok let's switch gears here mark. differences of opinion in analysis in the u.s. regarding the affair. the cia has come out with a statement high competence that it goes all the way to the top in saudi arabia donald trump. kind of living in denial i think that's a good way of looking at it here and then we have i don't know if you gentlemen saw
it i saw it a few hours ago someone placed on facebook a video of someone being hacked to death i don't know if it was authentic. it was authentic enough that i thought it was a real person being hacked to death and then facebook took it down the only reason why i mention this is because only aired one would allow that to be released to the media if in fact what i saw was authentic i'm not saying it was because i don't know but a lot of things in play here more well i mean. saudi arabia is a terrorist spawning murderous absolute monarchy but as donald trump said they are are good are very good ally they're very good for our economy lots of jobs lots of jobs right there that is apparently isn't true i'm glad that you mention that market and one i want to get a shout out here for the american conservative. rand paul has been talking about
saudi arabia a fascinating article here. is number one spreading terror. i suggest everyone take a look at that as a terror not good for jobs it's a good first term to the military industrial complex but is this now you have the state department is not. definitive as the cia is here and then the president trump is still vacillating here right now and we all know there are a number of sanctions being imposed here but this is a. turning into more of an embarrassment here. everyone in the united states on the same page either if they could have known but if this is. this is that's his nickname ok it's his nickname. that's how we know about this this about. it's not even ordered if you compare the two of the president or trying
to make excuses for saudi arabia i think they're getting very different signals and again ron paul is. probably the most principled person to have over there his spine is his principles but is saying that you know saudi arabia is not if it is the greatest sponsor of terror iran which is a position that we're going to lead you around here because i think this is what it's all about. we could do separate program on the political changes going on in israel you know this government i think now he's he's prime minister acting foreign minister in acting defense ministers and he's got a lot on his plate right here and then we have the situation with saudi arabia i think the reason why trump is continuing to support the crown prince because he has some grand strategy as mike pompei o and it's all about iran and in the two key players that this plan is predicated on is israel and saudi arabia and both of them are not in the best of shape right now i mean the story with series repeating
itself. the european media and by the american media that are so it was just so murderous you know. people but when terrorist acts started to be committed in europe they never even remotely suspected arson for some reason they suspected the people who were opposed to us and they suspect of the sly mixtape are these were mr going to be supported by the west in syria now the same story we've heard about iran being the chief sponsor we don't have a shame so warm and there was not a single case but here we kind of sold you are a beer which is an hour away which is of course not a sponsor of terrorism and then the q. . and then the q. wants of people in yemen and then the you basically fifteen out of nineteen terrorists who did their nine eleven terrorist acts fifteen out of one thousand were from saudi arabia. and how can you explain all of this you know the official story you know what i can explain money lots of money being pumped in and probably
up to p.r. anyway to. realize the official story that we have from saudi arabia you know the chief prosecutor said that he indicted there were people on the show because i'm ok and do more on the death penalty but they found france was he was head of the new committee to discuss to investigate this myself himself you know believe me if he didn't. go to a full five of them he would be the one more of what's to die maybe you could you have mentioned before on this program the cia would like to see someone else exactly where this is the story here i mean i'm sure it comes as no shock to any of our viewers at least that saudi arabia is a murderous obvious theocracy right that kills its own people i mean that's that's a the fact that anyone is surprised by this is a testament to the media and marching tends to bangkok perceived moral bankruptcy but the real story is here is why did the cia link this in obvious contradiction to
exactly what the white house is saying right because the cia obviously has very important interests with saudi arabia i mean by their own words they called mohammed bin so ahmed in the city now and spit that he was responsible for this but he's a good technocrat. ok he's but he's volatile and arrogant mark i think i think we can agree that you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a big he goes from zero to sixty doesn't seem to understand that there's things you want to give language zero to fix this this or get this language talking about he doesn't seem to understand there's things you can't do it's coming from the organization that under obama was given an assassination of czar and was is. for the extrajudicial extraterritorial assassination of thousands around the world by
their flying murder machines this is the day i believe that they're trying to make a point despite their contra stations to the to the contrary that his ascension as king is still taking but it could have did they want mohammed bin i am who is long so when it is it keeps it keeps in about here yet also targets drop ok i go in with switch gears to another important story here in the intercept glenn greenwald again hits the ball out of the park you're on the julian assange story as the as the obama do you concluded prosecution of julian assange for publishing documents poses grave threats to press freedom glenn that's absolutely correct the obama administration pulled back on indicting why the way there is reports that in a sign sealed indictment has been made against. that's widely reported we don't have much more evidence than that but what is absolutely true is that if the obama
administration had gone through with the prosecution of joiners knowledge they would have to prosecute the new york times the washington post the wall street journal i could go on and on now they're finding a different way around it and i think it has a lot to do with brushy gate as well because this is what i presume they're going to go after a song which is is. it's his involvement alleged involvement in leaking the e-mails john podesta is the e-mails and more things i think that's one of the reasons why i want to do this it makes the republicans and the democrats happy at the same time. that's what makes quite extraordinary because if you look back at the bush presidency became a little bit of a darling for the democrats exposed a lot of the crimes of. bush so the iraq or the conduct there and i think the. mother darling but that's a. said i love weekend leaks of the same reason during the campaign but then we
could. expose clinton and the d.n.c. was rigging the primary. because of this promotion rush last election blame the blame for nothing presidents and now especially the democrats turn on him as well which is interesting because we see all this talk about it of protecting journalism this is this seems to be very skin deep only because of the if. it doesn't serve their interests they really just throw the journalists there for a given they're far more concerned about the fate of crybaby jim acosta than they are in cannes we guarding julian assange go figure trump. and edward snowden deserve death penalty and they're just not. going to gauge the freedom of joy that is there is not in or death penalty for these people and i think jim acosta jim acosta for all now to the white house for all the world and then you want to ask a question there is
a crime against the press right and the point with our son is that every time he says something in there and he cracks up to be right he has been seeing that there was the sealed indictment against him he has been saying it for years and for years that of states and the u.k. denied it and now we see accidentally that it was true and it popped up then you know you know mark you know i guess it was a few months ago i was in this calendar year that kollywood came out with their film the post so liberating the washington post when it came to the pentagon papers in one thousand nine hundred ninety one. and. ellsberg wellsburg he was the enemy of the nixon administration but the post in other journalists they stood up for. freedom of the press and for freedom of the. uniformly that's not the case today that it's a tragedy of journalism we day we saw
a big turn not just with the media is the mainstream media but with the democratic party you know well right and glenn pointed this out very well flipping on this they supported it when it was against the bush administration and then the question is what happened why have they sided with some of the most extreme elements of the you know the trumpet ministration and so on and glenn points to the very well which going green was going green while the article were talking. the other day but the grand irony is that many democrats will side with the trump d.o.j. over the obama d.o.j. supposedly. their own motional personal contempt for us so much. due to the fact that he helped defeat their relief that he hoped the feet hillary clinton of the grave crime easily outweighs any concerns about the threat posed the press freedoms by the trump admins attempt to criminalize the publication of
documents it's purely venal ignoble partisan politics i'm old enough to remember when the press was talking about a bush war against the media i believe the enough to remember when the press was talking about obama's war against the media his war against whistleblowers pursuing more sources than all the governments in previous you have to put together when he had his administration had journalists the new york times put in jail for not so feeling in there so what you're saying we've run out of time gentlemen but what you're saying mark is that left or right it doesn't really matter they have a contempt for freedom of speech here in journalism here that's all the time we have here many thanks to my guests here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember crosstalk.
i don't think the democrats very much moved in the go shape with the republicans or president trump so i think people are going to have to acknowledge that the united states over the next couple years is going to be consumed even more so by our internal hard hurdle bickering in affairs and. dollars. dollars. dollars. on the dollar of dollar is what i was doing. we got garrett over here we care the music with us. we are here we were dragged here. by you're not going to get rid of those who
are not go away who are not die quite. real the hard work we do is the true. the path of china's economy in the last fifteen years is not different than other countries emerging that were once emerging economies that became big economies like the united states did the same thing they were export exporting it with unfair advantages until they got big and then they transition to a consumer economy so china and britain before then did the same thanks so china's just following history and now they want to become a big consumer economy and. so far so that.
tracking gave americans a lot of job opportunities i needed to come up here to make some money i could make twenty five thousand dollars as a teacher or i could make fifty thousand dollars a year truck so i chose to drive truck people rush to a small town in north dakota was an unemployment rate of zero percent like gold rush is very very similar to gold but this beautiful story ended with pollution and devastation a lot of people have left here i don't know too many people here and just slow down so much the last jobs that laid off the american dream is changing that's not what it used to be. and it's a tough reality and he'll. join
it is claimed an american born u.k. financier may have ordered the poisoning of his former lawyer sergei magnitsky as russian prosecutors shed new light on a death which are drew global attention nearly a decade ago. also this hour censorship policies that put facebook back in the spotlight after a heinous bidding page sees a teenage bride from south sudan auctioned off for cattle and cash. and a popular russian cartoon is being accused of being a kremlin propaganda tool designed to influence children's minds around the world.