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it finally hit. the headlines here on our international russian prosecutors claim that u.s. born financier william browder may have ordered the poisoning of his former lawyer sergei magnitsky whose death drew global attention nearly a decade ago. censorship of policies put facebook back in the spotlight after a heinous of pages sees
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a teenage bride from south sudan auctioned off for kabul and catch. the popular russian cartoon is accused of being a kremlin propaganda tool designed to influence children's minds around the world. you find those stories in full and over on our website my colleague you know neal he'll be back in about an hour's time with a full look at your news in the meantime here on arch international is cross talk but if you're watching us in the u.k. or ireland it is a renegade stay with us. hello and welcome to all things considered i'm peter lavelle briggs. and high drama the
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saga continues also the cia says it has high confidence they know who killed the shogi and it's at high noon for julian assange on. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow marks he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have. a political analyst with international and we have glenn decent he is a professor at the higher school of economics as well as author of the decay of western civilization and resurgence of russia are a german cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it let's first go to brags that. it's everything is in flux right now we have a number of resignations we have the tory party that seems to be in chaos we will know more as the week progresses here but mark it seems to me and you know i'm i
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didn't read all five hundred plus pages here but what i did glean from it is that it appears mays' plan is not a can it's still in but not completely out of the european union this is not what the people voted for what was your read without reading the full five hundred pages either myself or do you draw your conclusions from the fact that her own breaks that secretary has resided i mean this is her team is falling apart her team is in revolt her party is in revolt the other party you know the labor doesn't seem involved at all. jeremy corbin's leadership they're perfectly willing to see may's government go down in flames at this point and i don't blame of it at the same time she's sticking to her guns we'll see how this story develops right here but it's not i mean i think the most important pointers here is that. this is not what the
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electorate voted for it is a appears to be a halfway measure has actually indicated. actually that in her defense of her plan to leave the european union. this is almost two years of negotiations. always been quite explicit the bricks of mince bricks it entails living the customs union. but the plan doesn't know. now that might stay in the customs union in perpetuity the second is no jurisdiction over britain and that has also been accepted that they will have so the two main aspects which has actually been saying that these are two red lines both of them she has given him so it's quite an extraordinary position and i don't think that it is unfair to say that this would make almost britain a colony of the e.u. and you have to see the unity she's been able to bring though because now the brics a terrorist also want to leave britain there is such a thing would be better to stay in the e.u.
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than this deal and people who want to remain there essentially saying now well many of them are saying we will be willing to crush out of the e.u. without any deal than this because this is the worst of all worlds and especially everyone is coming against her and that is. if it's a halfway measure here i mean we it of its quality without representation exactly what i mean because basically i mean i know they don't like immigration everyone it's very clear in this document here but it seems that they will still be in in a customs union with the european union without any say whatsoever that being in the european union they have leverage now of the most important element the economy there being they're giving away to brussels well it solves a lot of taxation without representation but the question is did the british the citizens of the. country did they haven't you seen the first place i mean the e.u. made it very clear that they will make it as. but in full for britain as possible
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so that they will teach a lesson to the us don't leave the union it's going to be costly but it's in the end and it going to backfire because the e.u. all regular looks like a call horse called horse which is permanently at war at war in libya at the war in in yugoslavia it would in other places and now people who fight now that once you or even that cohort there's no way you get you know get out where's democracy stand in all of this because i keep going back to the vote this is what the the electorate wanted mark is that because people are going to be questioning this we i mean what's the point of voting if you do if the of the ruling class doesn't follow through part of it of course is the problem that when people voted they weren't there were no deal for them to vote on it was clear david cameron never intended to call the vote for it to succeed so that the tory party had no plan for it breaks it
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because they didn't want it and it was the insurgents the backbenchers right and you know the euro skeptics like for asure who lead the voice of the people in this but there has never been a plan put forward people voted for brags that there was nearly no way does what that meant of course now that is going to now be used as a excuse i believe for a bowling breaks that to begin with because this is this was this means play all along i think this is this is there might be a degree of intentionality here to have the whole mess. down in flames so badly that then there is an excuse to shift a second vote to parliament or a second i don't know if it would be fifty percent of the electorate but it would be a good chunk of the electorate would find that to be of betrayal and i think they will listen to two or. and how such
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a horrible deal could come out i mean either they're just they're incompetent or second if. they wanted us i could you could stop there. no but i can on the saddest because not only david cameron didn't want breaks it's like threesome a was running on remaining in the e.u. and they made her essentially in charge of bringing the u.k. out of the e.u. so there's been a lot of secrecy during these negotiations and what support for this deal she made the threat to censure saying this isn't go through that might not be a bricks at all so this is quite astonishing after saying for two years brics it means brics that's what's going on right now is that on the twenty fifth of november there is some kind of signing ceremony where this is going to happen with the e.u. but it seems that the plan isn't complete yet ok this will be very interesting to see what is signed if it signed at all then the public will be told what the british prime minister actually signed up to. the first there is
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a deadline there is a mean promised by i guess march they're going to write that the data been told they do they will be out of the you but i'm not sure about that anymore they might be i mean to arrest me briggs it means breaks it does briggs. mean it will be out of the e.u. but will they be out of there will be look how these big government a current over scolds you know it so we put the euro official show to their nations which are not compliant. to the formal ultraliberal polish prime minister who is now the chairman of the european union he recently said in an interview to a polish newspaper to go to the polish media paul may for a lot of the you would just like the u.k. be inadvertently fellow of energy going to be a disaster and you can see his strategy he wants to go back to polish politics and be elected president so his message is if you don't want you you trouble. i don't
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want the same also that the game is going through void for me because i am the one . that will not cost it is. it's basically it's like we're going to feel among fear mongering it's clear that briggs it means breaks it but what does briggs mean and what does mean that's i mean i mean this is the absurdity we're in here right now i think this is a measure of incompetence but i also the agree that there is a measure of intentionality and we could call it incompetent intentionality behind what about what about this because this is my gut feeling here is that interest in me is going to keep the tories together even after these resignations because behind closed doors are saying do you want me to be next prime minister this is the leverage she has right now ok because the many people particularly the deep state because of jeremy's foreign policy and do not want to see him as prime minister in
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there i wanted to say that you have taken this perfect storm with bragg's it could only happen while jeremy corbyn is leading the labor party this is why new labor in the u.k. lead the media even though the supposedly left wing guardian have been so desperate to overthrow him because he regards the people's vote on braggs that as the democracy the people have spoken any other labor leader or any new labor leader would have provided a revolt against a referendum shifted the vote the parliament called for a second referendum but they can't do that with jeremy corey because he is the threat on the other side of may's government falls there is the threat that threat of all threats the the specter of haunting europe that is corban would be elected and that's a perfect storm for exactly i think fortunate. if the british leave doesn't have
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one and be for jeremy corbyn becoming the prime minister just like that american he was shot on sunday right because they didn't have plans going for donald trump he was lord supposed to william and the people who vote for this referendum you know if tony blair was in charge of the labor party they would come throw it out saying that the deplorable vote of so what you know that was the message from the american that lead to the american people after american people elected trump eurobasket bill deplorable are we going to listen to what you want to say well we're not going to listen to the left wing the forums actually i think i think what might happen is because now they're going to have this as it should be the e.u. . except they won't have any voting rights i think if there's upside being a little bit pregnant. again he said but i think that's if that's what happens i think there'll be a strong incentive to essentially put it to british people listen they want to at least this is what breaks it means it means everything's the same except they don't have a say or do want to johansen he used to typical e.u.
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strategy just have this week he's many election says you need to get your result this is the game they played all the time this is that you format this. friend i'm a vote that doesn't go there were you have to do it over again of course this is a british decision but the elites are kind of close on this system of voting to get the right answer i believe they call that chrissy in the e.u. and goes back to my original question what is the state of democracy finish up with if you remember the. vote or referendums on the constitution for europe the british and us are the french and the dutch they voted no so essentially rich. in the relabeled of us being. the lead in the community and then they didn't need to have the vote and more say just pushed it through except the irish or did i hope that they were going to go to a break here after that break we'll continue our discussion and some real news speaking with our.
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pranking gave americans a lot of new job opportunities i needed to come up here to make some money like me twenty five thousand dollars as a teacher or i could make fifty thousand dollars a year trucks or chose to drive truck people rushed to a small town in north dakota was among the employment rate of zero percent like gold rush is very very similar to a gold rush but this beautiful story ended with pollution and devastation a lot of people have left here i don't know too many people here anymore just slow down so much they lost jobs got laid off and the american dream is changing that's not what it used to be. and it's a tough reality to deal with. what
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politicians do. put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president and you. want to. have two going to be pros it's like them before three of them or can't be good. i'm interested in the waters. question. the path of china economy in the last fifteen years as different than other countries emerging that were once emerging economies that became big economies like the united states did the same thing they were export exporting at it with unfair advantages until they got big and then they transition to a consumer economy so china and britain before then did the same thanks so china is just following history and now they want to become a big consumer economy and so far so good.
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welcome back across the uk were all things were considered on people a bell to remind you we're discussing some real news. oh ok let's switch gears here mark. differences of opinion and analysis in the u.s. regarding the shoki affair. the cia has come out with a. statement high confidence that it goes all the way to the top in saudi arabia and donald trump. kind of living in denial i think that's a good way of looking at it here and then we have i don't know if you gentlemen saw
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it i saw a few hours ago someone placed on facebook a video of someone being hacked to death i don't know if it was authentic. it was authentic enough that i thought it was a real person being hacked to death and then facebook took it down the only reason why i mention this is because only aired one would allow that to be released to the media if in fact what i saw was authentic i'm not saying it was because i don't know but a lot of things in play here more well i mean. saudi arabia is a terrorist spawning murderous absolute monarchy but i was donald trump said they are are good are very good ally they're very good for our economy lots of jobs lots of jobs right there that is apparently isn't true i'm glad that you mention that market and when i want to get a shout out here for the american conservative. rand paul has been talking about
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saudi arabia a fascinating article here. is number one spreading terror. i suggest everyone take a look at that as a terror not good for jobs it's a good first term to the military industrial complex but it's this now you have the state department is not definitive as the cia is here and then the president trump is still vacillating here right now and we all know there are a number of sanctions being imposed here but this is a. turning into more of an embarrassment here. in the united states on the same page either if if they would have known but if this. is that's his nickname ok it's his nickname but that's how we know about this new about this. it's not even ordered if you compare the two of the president or trying to make
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excuses for saudi arabia i think they're getting very different signals again ron paul is. probably the most principled person to have over there his spine is his principles but is saying that you know saudi arabia is not if it is the greatest sponsor of terror iran which is your position that we're in the lead you around here because i think this is what it's all about. we could do separate program on the political changes going on in israel you know there's government i think now he's he's prime minister acting foreign minister in acting defense ministers and he's got a lot on his plate right here and then we have the situation with saudi arabia i think the reason why trump is continuing to support the crown prince because he has some grand strategy pompei o and it's all about iran and in the two key players that this plan is predicated on is israel and saudi arabia and both of them are not in the best of shape right now i mean the story with the series repeating itself.
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the european media and by the american media that are so it was just so murderous you know kill his own people but when terrorist acts started to be committed in europe they never even remotely suspected arson for some reason they suspected the people who were opposed to us and the suspect of the slum expat are the use of mr going to be supported by the west in syria now the same story we've heard about iran being the chief sponsor we want to have a shame so warm and there was not a single peace but here we could have sold your a beer which is in their way which is of course not a sponsor of terrorism and then the q. . and then the q. wants of people in yemen and then the you basically fifteen out of nineteen terrorists who did their nine eleven terrorist acts fifteen out of one thousand were from saudi arabia. and how can you explain all of this you know the official story you know what i can explain money lots of money being pumped in and probably
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up to p.r. and you need to. realize and the official story that we kept from saudi arabia you know the chief prosecutor said that he indicted the eleven people on the show because i'm ok and do more on the death penalty for the crown prince was he was head of the new committee to discuss to investigate this myself himself you know believe me if he didn't. death penalty for five of them he would be the one more of what's to be done maybe you could mention it before in this program the cia would like to see someone else exactly where this is the story here i mean i'm sure it comes as no shock to any of our viewers at least that saudi arabia is a murderous thug issue obvious theocracy right that kills its own people i mean that's that's a the fact that anyone is surprised by this is a testament to the media and marching tens bank ocracy moral bankruptcy but the real story is here is why did the cia leak this in obvious contradiction to exactly
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what the white house is saying right because the cia obviously has very important interests with saudi arabia i mean by their own words they called mohammed bin so i mean in the same amounts but that he was responsible for this but he's a good technocrat. ok he's but he's volatile and arrogant clark i think i think we can agree that you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a big he goes from zero to sixty doesn't seem to understand there's things you want to give language i mean this really doesn't exist this or get this language talking about he doesn't seem to understand there's things you can't do it's coming from the organization that under obama was given an assassination of czar and was is. for the extrajudicial extraterritorial assassination of thousands around the world
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by their flying murder she is this is the day i believe that they're trying to make a plea despite their contra stations to the to the contrary that his ascension as king is still taking pretty good hand that they want mohammed bin i am who is long so when it is it keeps it keeps in about here yet also targets ok i go in with switch gears here another important story here the intercept. greenwald again hits the ball out of the park you're on the julian assange story as the as the obama deal jake concluded prosecution of julian assange for publishing documents poses grave threats to press freedom. that's absolutely correct the obama administration pulled back on indicting by the way there is reports that in a sign sealed indictment has been made against julian a sign. that's widely reported we don't have much more evidence than that but what is absolutely true is that if the obama administration had gone through with the
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prosecution and they would have to prosecute the new york times the washington post the wall street journal i could go on and on now they're finding a different way around it i think it has a lot to do with brushy gate as well because this is what i presume they're going to go after a sausage is is. it's his involvement alleged involvement in leaking the e-mails john podesta e-mails and more things i think that's one of the reasons why i want to do this it makes the republicans and the democrats happy at the same time. that's what makes quite extraordinary because if you look back at the bush presidency became a little bit of a darling for the democrats exposed a lot of the crimes of. bush so iraq or the conduct there and i think the. mother darling but that's a. trump said i love we kill leaks of the same reason during the campaign but then
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we could. expose clinton and the d.n.c. was rigging the primary. because of this promotion rush last election blame the blame for not being president so now as they should the democrats turn on him as well which is interesting because we see all this talk about it of protecting journalism this is it seems to be very skin deep only because of the if. it doesn't serve their interests they really just throw the journalists there for a given they're far more concerned about the fate of crybaby jim acosta than they are against we guarding julian assange go figure trump. and edward snowden deserve death penalty and they're just not. going to gauge the freedom of joy that is that is not in or death penalty for these people and i think jim acosta jim acosta for all now the white house for all the while the man you want to ask a question there is
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a crime against the press right and the point with our sound is that every time he says something in there and he cracks up to be right he has been seeing that there was the sealed indictment against him he has been saying it for years and for years that that states and the u.k. denied it and now we see accidentally that it was true and it popped up then you know you know mark you know i guess it was a few months ago i was in this calendar year the kollywood came out with their film the post in celebrating the washington post when it came to the pentagon papers in one thousand nine hundred ninety one. and you have ellsberg in wellsburg he was the enemy of the nixon administration but the post in other journalists they stood up for. freedom of the press and for freedom of the. uniformly that's not the case today that it's a tragedy of journalism we day we saw
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a big turn not just with the media is the mainstream media but with the democratic party well right and glenn pointed this out very well flipping on this they supported it when it was against the bush administration and then the question is what happened why have they sided with some of the most extreme elements of the you know the trumpet ministration and so on and glenn points the very well. greenwald going greenwald in the article were talking. the other day but the grand irony is that many democrats will side with the trump d.o.j. over the obama d.o.j. supposedly. their own motional personal contempt for assuming much. due to the fact that he helped defeat their relief that he hoped the feet hillary clinton the grave crime easily outweighs any concerns about the threat posed the press freedoms by the trump admin's attempt to criminalize and the publication of
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documents it's clearly venal ignoble partisan politics i'm old enough to remember when the press was talking about a bush war against the media i will of the enough to remember when the press was talking about obama's war against the media his war against whistleblowers pursuing more sources than all the governments in previous you have to put together when he had his administration had journalists the new york times put in jail for not so feeling in there so what you're saying we've run out of time gentlemen but what you're saying mark is that left or right it doesn't really matter they have a contempt for freedom of speech here in journalism here that's all the time we have here many thanks to my guests here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember crosstalk.
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the world of politics sports business i'm showbusiness i'll see that. at the time a local television reporter from detroit is following the case closely bill proctor is well aware of the methods used by local police to close certain cases as quickly as possible. they did this all the time. they had people make statements whether in writing or they did the writing they had somebody and with the suggestion that hears this and you can go home i've heard that doesn't.


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