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for countries to be able to come together and to face the global challenges we have today that of the domestic challenges understanding that we cannot do it alone one of multilateral organizations and we need multilateral governance and you need international british picking up the biggest most influential player and the year i missed the united states french just recently from the human rights council i understand that the optics of it i'm not very positive but in actual terms what kind of a fallout do you expect from that well of course i would strongly prefer they said since it is the first moment at united states which they in the human rights council i believe human rights watch the text is a very important element in the u.n. human rights is one of the pillars of united nations and i hope that. so little later sooner rather than later the u.s. will be able to come back but as i said i strongly believe that in today's world we need multilateral responses they're american side they have both criticism and bias
as their reasons for their walkout and the united nations security council certainly is not the only body to criticize either israel or the united states for that matter i wonder if you have any concerns at all whether that kind of pass then could be repeated and if the united states can pull out from the united nations altogether accessible i mean let's let's be clear the united states plays a very important role in the well united states is a founding member like the russian revolution. and of course used to be out of one or two areas that are more i would say the other thing is to be of course involved in the sensitivity of it is of the when and i believe these will go on more true believer that when one looks at united states and the russian federation those two countries in many aspects common interests sometimes they are fighting but they have common interests and the four look at the middle east. we
have been that was mentioned the both these decision the global middle east is there. a strongly believe that the jews the interests of the united states and the russian federation and all time tony on the contrary seems the jews are similar and i strongly hope the divisions that have existed there will be overcome and that the two countries will be able to have strong cooperation a lowing the international system to work there is no way in which an international system like always can work with all these corporations between the two most important super bowl let me ask specifically about their reasons cited for the american walkout these allegations of bias is certainly not me i'm sure you have heard the russia china syria many other countries make familiar claims after unfavorable votes but none of them ever walked out of the council simply because i think most of them realize that they are not limited to one single issue the council is broader do you take this american of
a troll to mean that the united states at this moment of time doesn't care about anything else about israel no. human rights the u.s. position is not always been the same the us was all that it came in was going all to gain which means that there is a a balance in the american public opinion and in the american institutions that going on the party that has the balance of the party that is in the shown different attitudes iterations of the human rights council so i don't think we should generalize these i think this is a very specific area where we have always seen the u.s. . position in position of position in so let's hope that in the future the u.s. will come back now speaking about the nature of that criticism that the. alstom has just submitted airport to very critical of trump's president tax overhaul claiming that it overwhelms. only benefited the wealthy and of course and
inequality and i wonder if a if that is perhaps a little bit too personal it's one thing to criticize any given country's track record and another thing to. bash individual president's policies before it was actually fully implemented we have here in the us several things you have the u.n. secretary that you have the front. namely the significance of the general assembly human rights council and then you have a special report that act independently and at present very ports criticizing countries even their own the most difficult issues which of course do not necessarily present the position of the un and in its entirety my position on these is always been very clear i sink it is better to do it or was taking the country into account not personalize ing seeings. with a very strong. we need to be impartial and we need not to politicize issues to treat them based on the truth and based on the charter of the united
nations but i then suggesting that certain people of within the you know one thing against your direct advice because if i if you let me to quote that report it specifically pointed out that the policies pursued over the past year seem deliberately designed to remove basic protections for from the course it seems like a fairly targeted. shot especially set forth by special rapporteur that is independent it's it's an opinion that of course needs to be taken into account can see that but doesn't really present the position the formal position of the u.n. but. you know there's a very delicate issues because i'm sure you would agree with me that the position of the american president of president trump at this point of time his actions are crucial for the future of the organization and he is known as somebody who is very sensitive and sometimes very reactive. to the crisis and. do you think that kind of statements are wise in the current environment. i don't think it will be. the
reason for any cries is as i said in my way that doing scenes different people got scenes in different ways my way to those scenes and to do my job is not to personalize and to do seems based on the objective analysis of situations but of course people are different to that we have and i think it's important when you have independent reports on these kinds of issues to respect their independence that doesn't mean that we subscribe what we say but we respect the independence because if not everyone then will be manipulated and does of course with completely undermine the respectability of those independents bodies that are an important component of the international community but of course as i said independents are seeing the u.n. secretary it is enough now let me ask you about one more issue that's a lot in the news today that you are yourself weighed in and this is the trumpet ministrations that immigration policy particularly. the practice of separating
children from their parents who cross into the united states illegally mr trump has just sought to revise that policy by his executive order and i wonder what the u.s. secretary general have really understood how this man functioned so what can possibly persuade him to change his mind asking just dead on the immigration i don't think we should personalize things i think we need to look at the policies that this policy has existed and the big really big lots of impact idea and policy was published was to say that in my opinion that is not a good thing that my experience as i commission for refugees is always that's two separate families is something that's going to have very negative consequences for the people and then of course for the society in general and i'm glad that the policy will be if you first and i've seen that many other actors in the international community in the in the u.s. politics including in the family. expressed their opinion as i said let's the best way to be active in my opinion is not to personalize. is to look into sinks
objectively and if you do it in a way that is impartial if you do it's you know way that is objective i sink that's the best way to convince people to do the right thing well let's try to look at it impartially. policies are usually couched in moral terms but i think there is a very real legal dilemma there. it is not good in any way to separate children from their parents but i think it would also agree that the united states is entitled and has the right to prosecute people who cross into its territory illegally so i wonder whether the more humane way with me to put those children in jail together with their parents or perhaps to brando's parents and waiver from prosecution simply because they happen to be parents the countries of the right to have their own migration policies but to make additional policies need also to respect human rights migration policies in the management of borders needs
also to be protective sensitive namely respecting international refugee law i myself am against the nation of someone just because someone. not legally in the country you see refugees is no other chance to escape but to cross the border that that not in a legal way so i'm not in favor of the policy of the minimization but as i said i recognize countries have the right to define their own migration policies what is important is that they do it in respect to human rights to human dignity because migrants and also human beings that need to be can see that and respect it's absolutely and we would all do our best for our children but i think it i mean i don't represent fox news here but i think it is important to recognize that they are not talking about the syrian mothers fleeing for their lives we are talking about mexican mothers and fathers who try to find a better future for their kids for their living vibrant developing country so.
i'm portuguese. in the sixty's. when million five hundred thousand portuguese left the country at the time walking into france. and they were basically moving because of poverty and basically because they wanted a better life now it doesn't mean that. i think everybody should do it but i have a lot of respect for people that. in the case of them it's rainy and put their lives at risk crossing the mediterranean with the escalation to provide for their children a better life than the one they could have so again. i am totally against smuggling people but i have a deep respect for the people that try to do something to come out to look at. some of the laws. and. there is more people killed in these countries by the different gangs that operates then in the syrian
war so we are in situations that are sometimes desperate which means that in these flows of people you have people that pleat only because of economic reasons but we have also people that have been victims of persecution so again it is of the right to be found their policies countries have the right to send back migrants but all that needs to be that in respect for the basic human rights and for the dignity of people now are a migration is obviously a very contentious issue not only in the united states but also in europe which used to be as you just pointed out more welcoming towards migrants and let me tell you something about my question my mother is ninety four years old was not a very serious you know my mother is under forty years old i visit my mother when i go back to portugal every month and she is always one person taking care of twenty four hours by twenty four hours independently of the family i have never seen a portuguese taking care of my mother. and in most of europe in countries you have
fifty three indexes of one point two one point three one point four migration is also necessary what is this what is needed in my opinion is to recognize the need and then to organize it with international twelve void these illegal migration to organize migration to create opportunities for legal migration taking into account the eaves of states and the answers of people we need to look at migration as a normal scene in which states need to have the responsibility toward denies them properly. leaving to these desperate situation. because there is nothing that is not in place do a lot for normal slows the taking into account the needs of countries of origin and the needs of countries of this nation secretary general i had a chance to interview i think it was four years ago when you were your high commissioner for refugees and you said pretty much the same thing that migration has to be managed and balanced in the four years that have been the countries have learned how to do it in a balanced way that. we have today i think i was right four years ago and i'm still
right and the fact that this is not being seen. is creating the chaotic situation that we see in many parts of the world which by became this issue this issue in many electoral campaigns and because of that you see populists countries and of populist part of these movements and others are gaining ground in many countries if we manage properly in respect for the answer of the countries but also the interests of the people i see these would not be the issue that is driving the politics in so many countries now one of the reasons why. keeps on increasing and we're now having record numbers of more than sixty eight million people being displaced globally one reason those are displaced by conflict or by conflict and you said to recently that the number of those violent conflicts is now the highest in thirty here is the number of people killed in those conflicts has risen ten fold since two thousand and five. you said makes conflict prevention and mediation all
the more important and i would think that the united nations is the most natural of ben you for that why is it not more successful in mediating on the strength of you know normally when we are successful nobody notices but i'll just give you an exam they reach means that they are your age i was just give you an example there was an actual election in liberia and the election liberia was contested as you know when there was a problem where the results would be recognized or not i've sent president was ocean one of our. members of our level panel of mediation that's was there in the day talking to the two candidates to make sure that they would accept the results and that there would not be a disturbance as we have seen in many other parts of the if there was a problem to go to the courts and whatever we are now doing the same in mediation to go to the african union and the subject intuition told mother that we ever heard done the same in. the hmong this quickly in sierra leone us which me is there are lots of a t. that we i mean the a to get the present moment doing our best to avoid that emetic
battle for the city of all data and let us all recognize that the family layering know what what it is is difficult and the reason is very simple polish as the world became less clear i remember the cold war i remember the uni polar world now the world is kind of a chaotic it's moving hopefully into a multi-polar world and i'm a strong defender of the idea that the world should be organized in a multi-polar way but today we have a chaotic world in put it to believe impunity is the name of the game you see lots of vectors i mean how many armies are there now fighting inside syria for example it's very difficult to mediate in these circumstances but every. wonder is and more to make prevention. but i already have priorities to do evidencing to address will to cause of conflict to do everything to create the conditions for communities not to create the level of tension that leads them to conflict but you are absolutely right we are far from being successful because this world now is to the sequel to
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have terrible side effects what has happened to my baby anything paul. is just. minutes a little mind victims of to this day to receive no compensation never apologized for the suffering that not only want the money i want the revenge. welcome back to worlds apart with the secretary general antonio. secretary general it's been about the year and a half since you took this position from the very beginning you were faced with this challenge of i think diminishing american presence both in financial terms and some would say moral terms and i assume that led you to rely more on other actors on other players has it worked out did other have other players that the bag game.
in the lives of american. diminishing. strong support of the sort of the multipolar world so i think independently of what to do united states i think we need to be able to promote circumstances in which a multiplicity of actors as more and more relevant here with these early release they don't need to see is that you see more and more countries being active in the context of united nations and that is very much welcome from me independently of the position of united nations of the united states i mean fortunately and to a lot of united states servant. to the financial commitments of the un maintain their position there are as i said as you said some pretty for all areas where the us has left but in addition to the sense of all aspects the us has maintained its independently of that it's important to have a multi please city of excess and it is that equilibrium that's a loss for us to be more impartial and body sectors given how important the united
states still is both to their funding and their running off and i'm sure as secretary general your had to run through several contingency plans i wonder in your planning whether you see this change post chair of the united states as something temporary that may change too or at let's say six years down the line or is it a permanent change i think it's important to recognize first of all that we have been able to maintain with the us a working relationship the best of the nikki haley has been extremely constructive in addressing the difficulties that we face i mean if the latest statement. sounds talking about three nations michael are talking about solutions with the secretariat and the solution of the problems of the of course you're right there's of their own political positions on many issues i'm not talking about that talk about the constructive relationship with the secretary it i think we have managed to have a constructive relationship and we want to keep it but as i said we we need to have the wolves and the united nations in which many actors the act together creating an
environment of impartiality and equilibrium where the world or the united nations or only dependent on one or two countries is not a good saying well i know you have long argued that the u.s. has disengagement from global affairs and i wonder if disengagement is the right word because from my point of view it's not that the trumpet ministration is not engaging i think it is engaging in a very unorthodox ways for example take north korea we've just witnessed the first ever historic meeting between the two. state but it came after essentially tittering. on the brink of war if you are very seasoned diplomat what do you think about this kind of approach to diplomacy well let's be honest. what can be one of the most important success stories in a calm. conflict situation seoul we can criticize when we can criticize but i must say that the recent summit that took place in singapore is
a remarkable achievement and i congratulate to to me that's that had the courage to do it in circumstances that were complex of course there were lots of. episodes before but even during these episodes i remember very well the eye view of the six countries i thought all of us you know that is the six party talks with the unity of the six i've sent my and the secretary general on political affairs of the time jeffrey feltman to pyongyang exactly with your objective to try to prepare the conditions for this kind of the a lot to be possible which means if given at the heat of the conflict it was possible with the agreement of all for the wind to play a role trying to create the conditions to bring people together that's all i don't know if hero heard that but mr trump also suggested that if you can apply this kind of personal diplomacy to russia for example ask president putin to get out of syria or ukraine and i don't know about here i would be a little bit nervous about where that conversation can leave and i want to ask you
what do you actually think about the current state of the u.s. russian relations given their presence there very massive presence have made. their own treasury and the president putin recently and i said to both the same namely in relation to the situation in the global middle east in the in syria my belief that i have said it's already dead to the geostrategic interests of russia and united states in the middle east site and that's in my opinion it's extremely important for the future of the middle east that the two countries come together and have a common strategy and they seemed at i mean it is always easy and i understand that . on the point of view of the me the it's much better if you have big fights but from the point of view of the world it's very important that countries are able to come together to overcome their divisions and to understand their common interests especially in these world where terrorism became so dangerous that common interests are more important than the difference is that he said that russian and american common interest in syria overlap somehow and there are grave doubts and grave
concerns in this city of that the united states may be moving towards creating some sort of partition in syria. i'm sure you heard john bolton the and national security advisor to mr advocating the creation of the so-called sunni which would comprise certain parts of syria and iraq what do you think about this idea even if it has a chance to bring ideas that have you had the opportunity to talk both with americans and russians on this issue and one scene that i believe you will use to preserve the territorial integrity of syria and other countries in the region to to try not to do some kind of new psych speak will in my opinion because we side move now there are certain issues that are absolutely central to the legacy one of them is the palestinian territories it was the united nations after all which ratified the partition of the palestine which allowed for the creation of israel alongside an arab state the promise that was never granted and i think that is now actively
sabotage do you think the palestinians still have a reasonable hope of seeing their own state and when it be more moral more honest to tell them you guys go and build a life somewhere else no i don't think it does if that is acceptable i am a strong supporter of the two state solution i don't think that is i think it's realistic i don't see that there is a plan b. i seem to abandon it is not realistic because to abandon it was to condemn territory to a kind of confrontation in which the consequences would be sensitive that. look at what happened recently in gaza let's not make sure that's make sure that these doesn't does this become the situation in the whole head yet the two state solution might still be possible if we overcome the present divisions to abandon that idea in my opinion is a huge response and i don't seeing that the. can see that the that
the two state solution should be about the. american. solution i am not sure about anybody i'm sure about what i believe i am a strong believer that the two state solution is essential because a one state solution would mean what would mean that everybody would have. war i don't think it's possible to be maintained never easy to know nothing is eternal in the world and i believe all and all is not to maintain states of spoiled rich people suffer and in which the risks for peace and security are there at any moment i think our role is to overcome these states of school and to create a stable peaceful solution where two peoples are able to leave together in respect for their homes to go to the secretary general of we have to leave india i really appreciate your time today and. to keep this conversation going and our social media pages. same place same time here.
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