tv Cross Talk RT January 21, 2019 7:30am-8:00am EST
hello and welcome to cross talk were all things considered i'm peter lavelle buckle up and brace for impact trump introduced a star wars two point zero and calls for impeachment russia gate into treason gate . cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have victor allege he is a political analyst as well as a leading expert at the center for actual politics and we have dimitri bobby achieves a political analyst with international and german cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciated mark let me go to you first here we're calling this program a star wars two point zero on the back of the release of the missile defense review of two thousand and nineteen how different is this from what was called in the one
nine hundred eighty s. under ronald reagan star wars yeah i don't think there is a lot of difference except for maybe the sums of money much sums of money i mean that's been snowballing over time anyway so reagan's strategic defense initiative which. the u.s. spent enormous amounts of money on and resulted in nothing more than forty four ground based interceptors in alaska according to the most recent news on coming out of the l.a. times investigations have said thirty four of those probably have faulty circuit boards so not much out of that and the u.s. has spent another three hundred billion since one thousand nine hundred three we haven't they haven't got much the so forth but it makes military contractors really happy but i don't necessarily like star wars two point zero because it's just not trump asked enough i've got a another branding form. you in order for the space force to have
a real mission they have to protect a hashtag space war all space for. me you know in researching this. topic and i came across the same numbers as more almost no one mentions a treaty a little known treaty that was signed in october tenth one thousand nine hundred sixty eight it's cloak we called the outer space treaty or formally treaty on principles governing the activities of states in the exploration and use of outer space including the moon and other celestial bodies not mentioned that we looked arising space has been agreed that we wouldn't do that but i don't really think about of course this new initiative would be an egregious. violation of that. and we have seen essentially ideas of not just in that time but mutation but starting with even the bush administration to withdraw from our teachers that were
part of the deterrent in the seventy's and then teachers that were already concluded after the end of the cold war war during the final years of peter storrie current three forms in the u.s.s.r. so in two thousand and two the bush administration with us from the a.b.m. treaty that was concluded in one thousand seven hundred two for russia it was very obvious that the next step whenever it would come maybe in five years maybe in ten years would be that with their all from the i and after each year which is what we're seeing today because what did that with all from the a.b.m. treaty two thousand to do essentially those positions those bases that the united states constructed in paul and in some other major sharon to me they can now be he used not just for into missile defense but they can also be used to crowds those intermediate and short range missiles that would have a very short time to fly into russia so russia from that point on from two thousand to two steps asymmetric steps to counter. those american initiatives the whole
concept of mad mutual assured destruction it is being deconstructed now victor gave a very good menu of all of these agreements that came into effect are being abandoned and we have the new start treaty marked two thousand and twenty one that will come as well with no talk about having a new treaty here this looks like the destruction of this principle of mass assured destruction which would only insure destruction where people should not be deceived by this war fads you know i think president point i'm going to say it's the first strike it's all about a first right here on building self himself on his intention step we call it it. it's new technology it's ultimately going to be a very very big part of our defense and all of our friends and of quote so and again let's talk about the costs you know to put one kilogram of equipment into
space you need to spend at least five thousand dollars and you will need to pull tons songs you know not thousands of all projects which each of them weigh what we could but even if they did all this mark would it work. as absolutely no guarantee that it would work whatsoever first of all i hate to jump on victor right away to sort of back but the outer space treaty does not in any way prevent the militarization of weapon of position in space all it prevents you know you can say that goes against the spirit of it but all it outlaws is putting nuclear or other weapons of mass destruction in the lasers are not these evidence of these records of mass i think it's more than i think it's more than a quibble can i bob could be considered a weapon of mass destruction and has ok i mean i think if you look at the fine print it's conventional weapons that are allowed to be moved into space but not weapons of mass which we don't and i think it was in the easier. signed between.
you and when it was signed in one nine hundred sixty seven i don't think they could have been vision to any of these type of weapons that are being in the weaponization of space is already happening did you know that the u.s. the u.s. air force and darpa has a secret military space plane the x. thirty seven b. that has spent years in orbit at a time of birth know exactly what no explanation of what it's doing up there it's well known that nasa is manned space program has been funded right where that would shift it is a military unmanned space program run by darpa the u.s. air force the x. thirty seven b. and this is a reusable unmanned military space plane that has spent years in space and no one knows what it's doing up there it was launched the last time in september of two thousand and seventeen and it's still up there ok but what's important here is that you know we've discussed here what you can probably get in the mainstream or
what how is russia you glued to it russia and we're warned that it would asymmetrically respond to this and in this. missile defense review two thousand and nineteen russia is specifically singled out along with china north korea and for some reason. it was for us to be john bolton and say hey you know called across the aisle make sure you put in iran. the how does this change the security architecture here because it looks like the obvious is a arms race a new one it's actually voices are right on point why is it happening right now because basically the washington she used. to teach defense initiative it's worked not because it was effective as a weapon system in the one thousand eight is because it was given to august because it's forced into expensive arms race and it forced the soviet union into some even into. some teachers that were probably not very beneficial to moscow. and the
american side now believes that that precedent if it worked then why not try to do the scene again but of course russia understands what happened in the one thousand need to see it knows the consequences very well and this statement that he acted not only is he acting differently but this we want to set it up to clear in the weapons systems including supersonic weapon systems some to repeat those that have extraordinary range are such that the americans say you know what you are going to be on the spot here we had last march president putin during his address to the nation he unveiled a number of weapons systems in your mind are these offensive weapons or defensive these are weapons that are needed to assure the mutually. assured destruction. but just. because it's your turn i don't want to hear you turn around this and the
digital distribution for strategic and city is what keeps us what keeps peace on this plane and to the are don't think it's period i think is just what he can because the numbers that we can mention like six may so seven yourselves russia does not want to be able to destroy the united states what russia wants is to have two or three four five missiles that can hit the united states cannot be intercepted no that is a mile which is not you know it is not and that's why russia has an arsenal one of the largest one of the two largest nuclear arsenals in the world to the because if not then i don't see the i want to show you this is all part of russia today one of the two largest nuclear arsenals in the world and why you got it why does russia do that because it understands that the american side if washington believes that it can destroy russia but at the same time only have several cities destroyed their act in doing that and is absolute you need an arsenal large enough so that your opponent will not under. now i can once in foreign affairs
a couple years ago about talking thinking the unthinkable of a first strike and it seems to me that this is a movement in that area to echoing what victor just said there where. actually avoiding any kind of damage on the american side where they would be able to destroy the entire arsenal here that is that's that's lunatic thinking but it seems like it's being thought about they're actually both right russia does have an enormously large arsenal but it also wants a select number of small impossible to intercept intercept missiles at the same time and lets the skinny the so this new u.s. missile defense review calls for putting only sensors it doesn't talk about interceptors at this point in space whose primary purpose will be to detect hypersonic missiles from when they're launched and to try to intercept them at the boost missile stage early in their launch now why did they do this because it's
a reaction to russia's and very quietly china's the ploy meant of hypersonic weapons which the u.s. is still ten years behind in that race now why did russia and china build hypersonic missiles because the u.s. unilaterally pulled out of the anti-ballistic missile defense treaty and started put trying to put missile defense all around the world whether it works or not russian military chinese military have to plan ahead on capabilities almost out of time by this block here with this. shield or wall as you said its space wall with that cover all of american allies in the world as well now do you want to cover all of america if you would that's a billion this billions of dollars kind of like to imagine a loan on you know years of dollars worth of national hind with not to support allies an easy eastern europe but only france gentlemen i have to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real . and stay with us.
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example of and there you know the allies initially when trump announced he was walking out of the treaty there was some criticism from germany from france now then surprise surprise there's a there was this meeting over the forty four in the spermy nations you know and there was a sudden transformation and they issued this statement seen russia's violation of their enough treaty to roll to the foundations of effective arms control and undermines the security side of the tramp is again a nice person call them that even though it's written someplace that what is this music like the fact that the iranians are tradeoffs will not threaten russia or the united states because it's intermediate range weapons but we'll make a year of targeting to the word limit of severing two looks like for germany and a number of other european countries the even when they hear of their own position that's different from fundamentally different from washington's it's washington's line that even. the europeans themselves of course i don't have i think you know i
think it's not on a national would say you know what you go basically the europeans take their orders from the disciples of obama and hillary clinton and these people i'm sure they're not going to walk in the congress the stopwatch they're going to vote for it and the same thing with europe suddenly would have young stoltenberg nato secretary-general what's critical to build on just. days ago suddenly in december here says there. no new member can you say i was in europe but there are new russian missteps suddenly russia is part of europe well that's. actually not true and second it doesn't mention that launchers which are prohibited by the treaty u.s. launchers they advocate for one launchers that can fire tomahawk cruise missiles or her in europe and there's another point of this was that in one thousand just said went down and it was signed paul and tools are now why all of the soviet union baltics you could not imagine the bull dicks would be
a bunch of nato they are part of nato but still don't. see if nothing to do the one of the reasons that's being cited by the time put me on station by the white house for withdrawing from the i.m.f. to achieve is that there are new powers like china that have these intermediate range missiles and the they're not within the within the limits of their states you but it in fact when this treaty was signed in one thousand nine hundred seven before that for years moscow was telling the united states that different parts like france that's right and the keys i'm curious here where they have those intermediate range missiles and bless include them within the hour and have to see what was the action no so paris and london were saying we have independent. support so it's their fault but it's gone both circle because now the russian position is that why do we have an international agreement for all these other kind of six russian but he did that and now the united states seeing footage of this one and then this we have on one hand we have the cold war architecture of mutually
assured destruction which kept the at peace at least from a nuclear conflict in the cold war and keeps the peace to the others and we have the the post there the uni polar moment he was drafted of privacy and that says that usually assured destruction is no longer acceptable and that's what missile defense is all about it's not the idea that the u.s. can shoot down. every russian or chinese missile that of course even the trillions of dollars they'll spend for the space while won't do that but it's about first strike capability to take out not only the political leadership in the cities but most of the nuclear arsenal as well and then the purpose of missile defense is to eliminate the residuals that are fired back the counter force to an acceptable damage to say she's going to be the most awesome dr strange girl if you want to go
for all of that is that. creating cheap missiles in numbers with decoys will always be cheaper than missile defense the us proved that during the cold war the a.b.m. treaty of the us unilaterally pulled out of each allowed the soviet union in the us to put up missile defense in one spot the us put it around their nuclear command launch center and right at the soviet union put it around moscow they put sixty some anti missile defense launchers around moscow so what did the us do to counter that they did the same thing they targeted moscow with more than one hundred warheads last year. using that pressure to get to pressure they had to receive because if the other city believes that. washington for example has the capability to attack without adequate response then you can pressure moscow for example or other powers to do what washington wants them to do it in diplomatic political
military terms and in other terms that's what it's about first and foremost ok this was announced by the trump administration but the trump administration is in a lot of trouble now we had this. buzz feed fake story coming out we had the mole or. people come out and say that was the full story which is remarkable because that's never happened before. we have the government shutdown we have this confrontation with congress when i was it was all expected here we have the translator interpreter excuse me. the congress wants to tear him under oath here are the wagons being circled around the trumpet ministration now. i mean the whole story with the wall and with these trees and thing it shows how incapable is more than western of any sort of compromise the same story everywhere with bragg see it and the negotiations between the u.k.
and a little bit yes. with the i will west now between trump and the chorus and also between drawn and you know the deep state that still one stream they could not forgive even when we do expect them to do so i mean the french are gems they're. the incapability for compromise that was sure by europe and by the united states and the voices like a rock in the voices like leave here in the places like syria it is coming back to their internal politics and because asians are just wild i mean like trump says the radio left can never control our borders i will never let that happen who is reading the left nancy pelosi is. the same story where. he is he is a traitor he told put in something and he should have secret me ok
who knows mark and big you both have made predictions whom you go to big to right now. will he survive this unlikely to survive for we talked about this before and infecting peach mint may not be the preferable option to remove him for the american political establishment the certainly do not want a long protracted impeachment process in the cowards then a constitutionally mandated trial in the senate and is not one to sit down quietly and take it all he is sure to respond in the spawn in all sorts of ways that would be destructive to the american political establishment weekly would be has his own attorney general and what the sequence of events that they would prefer is let is like that what happened to richard nixon where a bipartisan congressional delegation comes to essentially to the oval office to the white house and tells the president that either he goes he quits himself like
himself or he will be forced to. and they're much less comfortable conditions and that is what is likely to keep but now with that would assume they would be republicans in the senate that would go be part of this bipartisan an issue to know you're peter you are exactly right in there is but there are some political calculations that could make the republicans that you public in maturity in the senate join the democrats in the house in this white because nerds national security their political calculations to because they know that two thousand and twenty new elections presidential elections are coming in affect their star can't stand right now if they believe they're going to be so toxic that it's that he will pull the information that he will pull the party down then they choose to have him be pleased with pounce and go from there are two words for you neo con oh sorry. yeah i mean this is what trump has to keep in facilitating
putting them in his administration giving them policy preference to the neocons because there's more than enough neo cons in the senate to defect to the democrats we all know who they are they have already given if they're going to give you an example or let's let's say for some reason because there are a lot of good reasons but the reason it's a trump fires john bolton with be a trigger for the deep state in their neo con fellow travelers because essentially that would be a reason that trump is a danger to national security or that we go all the way to there whether what he does or doesn't do it may. make the process quicker faster or slower but it's almost as if he has a terminal illness and yes he can t. he can do chemotherapy and that may prolong the process but the final result is well known i think you the person who had the ministration is experiencing
chemotherapy. i'm going to stick my neck out there and disagree for the moment i think that with all these new investigations and indictments that the house to short to launch the mueller probe will be dragged on but it won't cost money in anything that they feel is necessary as long as trump keeps toeing the line on foreign businesses are you mentioned. the miller probably actually dismissed the poor it's the most bizarre robbery of the boards by why did they do it because by dismissing those reports that it was anyway to come out that those reports were fools so the miller investigation actually wanted to increase confidence in its own workplace showing that it's sort of interesting if this thing you know says it then it's not biased that's the reason that they actually came out and said this article no it's false it's not true because now they can be now that democrats can see that
miller investigation is so i'm biased that it would even go on when i found. out that a buzz feed did this because they have a long history of putting on freak news but i thought it was very interesting the speed said they stand behind their story and it's incumbent upon the viewer people do to prove them wrong i thought that was i've never heard of anything quite like the story is that they are really approaching the world in great danger because all of these back channels which they find and destroy or they pretend to find and destroy they saved humankind several times during the cold war you know the soviet union had this capable and so that in washington the unfolding dobrynin who when the crisis happened just talked to a few friends in washington he explained to them what was called israeli op do they explain to him how far they can go at that time to end it was not a back channel in effect. by the very idea that if you just drop it right here you are right i got it i got to go guys here this is all going we haven't really thanks
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