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stomaching these election results because you can say they were unexpected maybe a point here or maybe a point there but more or less it was expected there would be a the populace would do well the right more right wing parties would do well and we have to point out in spain the left did pretty well there as well but there is certainly you can't say it's a protest vote anymore the trends are there and the in the number of people that went out to vote were quite astounding considering european elections. elections are not that popular with with voters but the it was this time around so luke what is changed go ahead. while i would say they are saying much for the moment at least i mean brussels is preparing itself for designating the president of the commission and the all the presidents of the council of parliament etc in the coming weeks so . this is a moment where of course you can reflect upon the results and these results are never as fantastically good often testicular bad as expected because you have 27
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countries 28 still with the britain that participated and the statistical rule makes it that he this more land than expected but the victory of the populist the so-called populist is there there now must the something must have something like 25 percent of the votes in european parliament which is quite big at the less than expected maybe and the greens on the other side and the other major whereas with the losers being the 2 traditional parties and the liberals defending just their turf the extreme left is also down at european level of course there are differences of national differences but generally speaking that was expect ok well john in edinburgh i mean the european elitist can say well it's business as usual the elections are over we move forward i mean the people have spoken there and their voice is getting louder in louder in more focused here i mean what's democracy for a plea leads don't react to it go ahead john. incapable of reacting to the
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words of coal marks the light source of who are unable to control the power of the netherworld that they have called out by their spells they are the architects of their own demise and to paraphrase teller own they have lived nothing and forgotten everything we have learned nothing from the bricks of vote and you can 2016 learn nothing from the election of a you know skeptic tell you coalition government last year and the forgotten everything about the impact of the savages stated to you that the people of greece in violation of the country's democratic will in 2015 so these people are incapable of changing or they can do is carry on as if nothing's happened move along nothing to see here and they're heading for a crash course for these european elections continue to indicate he is in inexhaustible momentum of you know skepticism from the right right and posing the question that either the e.u. decius me a little isms near liberalism or it's people's will that the e.u. the former is not happening and a lot of as francesco and paris i mean i think one most important take away from it
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all is that there is a growing part of the european electorate there are they want more of their sovereignty back or at least not they don't want to keep ceding it away and i think that that is a very important political cultural expression on the part of a lot of voters because these voters are very motivated to get out they have something that they either they want to gain something more or stop losing what they've been losing inside the european union go ahead in paris. i think i think you're right i will see it wrong at the same time because let me explain to you because there is not some not so clear back that he it's true that we were expecting a. slew of euro skeptics but these are the only a few counties and not by chance is the counties where actually the. needs. carrying the body. my own country that where of course we have been suffering the
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most from their own bodies you mentioned before but not not only not known in some other countries it's a very different way of protests that came out most not of these new green parties that have been doing better you had almost so. i mean them i'm always trying to. restrain from simply sticking to patients on one side of the room. and not only in europe of course not in europe i mean fighting against the what you call the elite that would pull this war but then you're saying these policies are using the challenge but it's not true sure that the un sort of your young people who want let's read the fury that these soldiers home you know that they were very very spare that's a very fair point ok but i think what people they know what they don't want to right now that that's the stage we're in right now they know what they don't want here let's go back to luke air i mean can i get something on that just a few words because then go ahead go ahead go ahead and. on both sides the those
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let's say the europeans are still the majority to find i mean they don't know what they want because we see in the europeans you have everything you have those who see it up and keep going with going to forms those who say we should reform europe and make it more fair that an eccentric setter among the knowing you were in the you also. might mean he tries to forge an alliance we are by for example and we've been through forget you know these guys that we. you know so little stereo that you can hear me knowing is not enough so you see you see within 2 camps you know so much they're very. very hard to see how european and i could be involved from here it's a very interesting let's go back to luke here i mean i've often been very critical of the democracy deficit in the european union the distance between the the the voters and i will continue to use the term elite because that's what they are they're very pampered and well taken care of elites in europe ok but one of the
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things i think is very important is that there is a democratic surge people want to use the ballot box what i worry about is that these people that want to hear their voice heard they will be continued to be ignored and i think that is what the real danger is here because people who want to use democracy to change their lives that's what they expect go ahead and brussels. well you are absolutely right i think that the people will not be pleased by the solutions that will be found by the traditional parties that will of course continue their style and majority of typically pro european parties by the way we're all pro european we're all europeans we know that even the brits want to leave they feel europeans who we have something in common of course we do but we don't want to have this united states of europe that the present elitist trying to impose on us and immigration that they try to impose in the globalist view that people refuse to see is of course also that people might not realize it but the
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traditional parties have manipulated the committee work in the european parliament for example not to give any power any decision to the populists so these parties start ready have now something like 25 percent but you should also count for the audubon in to be in the christian democratic group you should council so the conservatives the conservative group not only the british ones but who. also very sovereignty very much for the national identity so all these people feel national identity 1st and they won't get it and there are well into decisions that will be taken by the next parliament will show what they are watching what's wrong for wanting to defend your country's sovereignty and you know i really don't like how people criticize that word populist ok i mean populate it because you want to defend your own country your own sovereignty your own borders that's a that's a dirty word i really hate how the mainstream media pollute our politics go ahead
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in edinburgh. where we have to be careful when you talk about national sovereignty peter or a war such as national interest that has no national interest in any country there are class interests and i personally cannot die on the whole of british so frontier given britain's role in the world going back 500 years as a corneal imperialist state but the point that comes to the point of a democracy and what's wrong a question of the rise of nationalism that we've seen. cutting is due to conditions of economic. extremis caused by the global economic crash in 2008 and the refusal of the proponents of neo liberalism to recognise that this model is a corpse it doesn't work and they've only keep it alive through life support under austerity programs and that's only deepening the problem so it's economic at the heart of this issue and democracy is a symptom of that and it's been refracted through nationalism and national
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particularism in paris so i see you nodding your head go ahead jump in. i mean i think. somebody say a few years ago it was a little clinton yes exactly. the surge of national interests coincides with the moment we stopped. being and that. was. you know if you couple people like me when i mean by the. policies carrying on since 2010 i still believe that the best way to serve the economy and the french and the germany this is within europe how can we compete i'm talking to you in russia and we compete with russia. how can how can we compete with china how can we compete we've been a good state so the best we can serve any purpose is to serve the european
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interests not the problem is that you're not mean served in the past 10 years and that's why the concept was but that is not a long term the notion can be a short term solution will never be a long term solution ok gentlemen i'm going to jump in when i think it's very interesting here is that you know this always gets down to the argument of either a limit centralization or an increase integration and that's a point we'll talk about when we return here after a short break we'll continue our discussion on the e.u. elections stay. this in petersburg international economic forum is a unique event in today's business world. over the last 21 years the forum has
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welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered i'm peter remind you we're discussing the e.u. elections. ok let's go back to luke in brussels i mean it may be. a chess game it had a very interesting point in the 1st part of the program here you know of about how italy and the you know it deals with the world and how the european union deals with the world and it seems like at every single crisis point of this project somebody says sort of elite say we need to integrate more we need the united states of europe but not one single citizen of the european union is ever voted for such a proposition it's just assumed that it's the right way to go to get out of a crisis but you don't ask the people and that's why i think this election is very important here and if these parties in the parliament are not going to be allowed
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on committees and all that it does show is a lack of democratic commitment on the part of the elites and just going to perpetuate the frustration so many people have because as i said in the introduction this program the status quo isn't working for the average person luke after my diatribe there go ahead and brussels. so as you say you know we all feel europeans but we don't want what they have been stopped for us and and the little games in brussels the people really don't like when they hear about it they they're not really interested the distance is too high too too big between the citizens in their country and europe in brussels or in sa school by the way said hospital brussels that's crazy to have this move every month between one capital and the other that's that's really crazy they should decide once and for all but they have been things that are you know really disgusting martin said meyer who was the secretary of mystic has been designated in
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a corrupt way the general secretary of the administration of the i mean this b. and now of course he's of the party of mrs merkel and now the part of mrs merkel to see do you see is who they want to have missed the v.a. but as the president of the european commission what else i mean this is little games and little power caves that should stop in the coming days and weeks they will have to decide who will be the president of the european commission the executive arm and replace them concur and that promises some some difficult discussions ok in germany it's go back to edinburgh i mean the european economic community i was a big fan of that ok because it wasn't about it didn't take your sovereignty away from you but actually the you found synergies with other european economies and that's what should be happening right now ok that it is building of the united states of europe it is a it's
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a fool's errand because you know what i've been to greece and i've been to scotland and i've been to a lot they're very very different places ok why you have to you know square the circle with all of them in it ok i can i do get it you know that the low countries are most german. ins they like the european union does very well for them but it doesn't do very well for it it stunts the growth of some cunt countries look at poor greece greece is going to live in the gutter for generations because of the e.u. and the euro ok i mean it isn't the same all the way across and i just wonder if what this election you know the elites are going to say hey we have to start again having a much more nuanced look instead of looking after our own personal interest because our just reflecting about what luke just said in brussels go ahead john. well there is no the in its current form the e.u. as a lot of the prison hosts of nations locked in say the neoliberal strait jacket with
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a single currency which doesn't work because money to union with a fiscal union is untenable i am you're right there is absolutely no appetite for further political integration and it's the jew politicization of the course concerned given the huge rule and the crisis in ukraine and given the rule of the you as he has reliable has you know washington in many years and this is the elephant in the room washington this is a europe of the americans yourselves to go understood this yet when he would be a poor the formation of its initial incarnation $151.00 the european court of course still community he understood this if this was a medal of an american project this was not of european diplomacy it was a triumph of u.s. diplomacy coming out of the 2nd world wars a global economic hedge or more and so how can you have argued a peanut when you have russia and america look 10 and he told me to various that will never have a harmony of nations across europe we need to return to some semblance of sovereignty your rate. of nations is chose to go so presciently advocated after the
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2nd world war ok let's go to back to paris what role did immigration play in this selection across the entire continent. immigrations a perfect example of what was seen before. the united states of europe are also nobody was. of course the sort of focus on one of them but most of the rest of documentary nobody wants to read it says i've personally seen that that would be the best possible solution for restoring democracy in your thirty's my personal computer what they was meaning before is that we the in the data set up we can have different policies and these different policies in both much better call him a shot across. the. who. will these normally these old moments when the kids almost their kids who are alabama they need more
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different from new york than me last year from greece so we have the same. i'm not really sure that's a very good i'm not sure that's a very good analogy because i mean what you have in the united states you didn't have set identities the only one broad identity was american so this being an alabama or an american there was no tension at all ok i think there's a lot of tension in the european union about being european and italian ok because being an italian it doesn't so it doesn't necessarily serve your interests ok i have heard this argument before didn't work ok keep going to paris. more complicated but let's let's pass on that very important the by the make in editions of a book is important but these work is the program to meet your solutions of a few of the countries in the southern belt and been left completely alone with another their own ok so who are the nation if you commission policies will be the
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sort of the other solution is found to by itself we try to please more efficient your in your opinion in the world. well i mean no i mean well and by that i mean if you have frau merkel you know let's go back to brussels here i mean you know with a few sentences chichi determined europe's immigration policy to the detriment of many many people ok i mean again where is the democracy in that everybody knows germany is a powerful country inside the european union the most powerful country and only more so when there is a break is it ok but i mean again that breaks all kind of democratic norms consultations and worrying about how it's going to impact other countries in the european union look at poor greece again people is walking right through ok and they can do nothing about it luke go ahead and brussels medical in a way created the alternative yet now literally percent of the vote in the european
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parliament that's her doing and the key of course it's a bit better for the moment there are less people trying to cross the mediterranean they go to spain mainly that's why you have folks appearing in spain because people don't want this but the problem the coming problem looming on the horizon is a silent danger is the fact that europe gives the family reunification possibility to all the people who have arrived and so these people why are. looking for a job desperately in school it's called chain migration raining it's called in migration etc they will bring their families they will bring their mothers their fathers their kids to wives and these people will be net receivers of social security that we pay not then and so that's what the people hey didn't europe they say look we don't want this we don't want family reunification that brings nearly $5.00 more people for each asylum seeker that's accepted that's the key problem and
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nobody in process in the wants to i mean the bad i mean you know when a country does take a stand on immigration like hungary you know it is turned it's turned into a pariah. when italy wants to do something about it it's turned into a pariah i mean again we talk about this tension about what sovereignty means inside the european union in this election is telling us that that tensions only going to increase because you have to ask the people about these issues and not the whims of the german chancellor go ahead in edinburgh. or think we have to identify the source of the problem the source of the problem is the rule of western hegemony and disrupting meena especially middle east north africa which is producing those food of refugees or economic migrants or people who are seeking a better life and after all we would all do the same and their positions are sometimes we have to try and see the world through their eyes but within europe it's a free movement of capital as a real distorting impact and as a driver of economic migration and it goes back again to the neoliberal economic
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model which is the very antithesis of democracy and national sovereignty and it told countries can control the flow of capital going out of their countries then they will never be able to fully control room economies and meet and have some form of intervention in terms of infrastructure in terms of providing jobs public works programs especially in a frame of economic recession so again when it comes to the roots of neo liberalism and how it works to distort economies across europe and throughout the world and the wealth of the northern hemisphere peter we must recognize is predicated on the poverty of the southern hemisphere and so until we address that imbalance these global economic imbalances will always have problems with migration coming into utah and coming to the wealthier parts of the planet so we can't control these problems until we address the drives not the pool factors but the drive the push factors and not goes back to the free movement of capital ok well let's go back to
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paris i mean what is the next step for the european union after this election i mean is it just something that they're going to ignore and just keep keep their fingers crossed that the they can continue their on their merry path. here because again you know this this deficit of democracy i think is building in tension and if there isn't if these issues are not addressed the way individuals and individual countries it's only going to get worse for the european union and the the belief in the european union i mean for god's sake look what's going on with briggs that last 30 seconds to paris go ahead. we need to have a change of course i mean the what you were mentioning before is here the problem is not the 5 people. in the world perceive the problem is what we do with our way firstly what the how do we finance it how do we find ways. to make it to the. global world these are the questions we have to us not how we protect ourselves from people from the south because anybody in people's perfectly right i mean the
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problem is that these guys there were people who made them poor so we collectively made them poor so they are coming they will be called me so the problem is what do we do our social model i know you can if you want back to the 1st time we're going to do something i believe with you that going on as we were going. so far would not solve our problems you can make us much worse than we were ok that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests in brussels paris and in edinburgh and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. next time and remember crosstalk.
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