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it's all drama you'll only hear it here on crossfire. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest he's a political analyst and editor at the internet media project and in london we crossed alexander material he is a writer on legal affairs as well as the editor in chief of the duran dot com all right gentlemen cross-like rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate alexander let me go to you in london i'm so pleased to have you india on the program here just the 2 of you because it gives you more time to talk about a story that is much more complex and longer than audiences in the west are being given by the mainstream media everyone is talking about the 2016 election well i would go a little bit further back and the very least i go back to 2014 with the illegal overthrow of a democratically elected government with the support of the e.u.
and the united states now the predicate of all of this the larger the biggest picture of all is nato expansion is to bring ukraine into the nato alliance why because it will give a reason for nato exist that's always been their mission they exist because they need to expand and if they don't expand they don't need to exist and of course the cherry on top of the cake is always it's an anti russian moot point so give us a larger picture or since they want of the word is very popular in the western media give us the predicate of ukraine in america's political drama alex go ahead of what you said peter that it goes back to 2014 it actually goes back even before all because of course when the u.s. is broken up ukraine which i mean one of the big constituent republics of ukraine the u.s. is so there was this policy of basically keeping it is distanced from russia responsible. and this linked up with his policy of western expansion of nato which
the western powers had promised the russians in 19909091 would never happen but which starting from the mid 19 $190.00 s. it did so you saw firstly in 2004 there was what was called the orange revolution in ukraine which set aside the result of an election that took place in ukraine in that year leveraged into power a pro western pronate a government that evicted yuschenko who was the president then in 2008 there was a decision made it to some unseen of the bucharest. that nato would one day be expanded to include ukraine and georgia then of course that was another election a few years later which brought into power
a man called victim janak oh the church who was to some extent more sort grating in trial it see between. russia and the western powers understanding how close relations with ukraine between russia and ukraine were and then of course in 2014 there was africa of very very prolonged violent protests which were backed by nato powers with leaders of the european union turning up in kiev openly supporting those protests. who was the assistant secretary of state of the united states for european affairs turning out and handing out cookies to the protesters protests which it should be stressed were extremely violent and it ended in the overthrow of the violent overthrow of the democratically elected. it's usual government of ukraine with the president fleeing
the country and escaping to russia that route to an entirely new government even more thoroughly committed to integrating ukraine with nato and with the european union the violent way that the government gained power and sought to impose its wishes on the ukrainian people and precipitated a very strong and actually we could end that that part of the story with new ones words yet says the guy she picked the prime minister who became prime minister david pick it up from there then we have crimea and then we have the crisis in the don vasco absolutely well i mean i just chill in charge of western u.s. what would the core an event in which $38.00 policemen i killed 5 buildings in the center of the capital are burnt and then you have leaders from
other countries from the european union you know the hard over the europe the only diplomacy well john mccain ok he was important but he did not have a he was not the president he was not was not the wise president from the european union you had officials you know catherine ashton she came to kiev all brokered a deal yeah and she shook hands with the crowd all the national socialist party a former head of the national socialist party of ukraine then called swap border or freedom or decked out in your book you had done the wrong pig coming to basically to the protesters who killed 38 policeman. and and what is going on now still i know i will ultimately so you can surprise me and take a basically they're suborder party headed by talking about and supported by catherine ashton during that during that coup in kiev they had it in their programme that gray mean autonomy should be destroyed that it should be lifted so
when the new government was formed in which national socialists took 25 percent of the seats they had they were prosecutor general several ministers for the people including the minister of defense corps scream you decided to go to russia actually didn't have to go to russia it was a part of russia for centuries since $73.00 self-determination they voted to leave have saluted absolutely but the whole point is that ukraine is such a cold with skeletons for mr obama and for mr biden it was the mistake over the democrats' media in the 1st place to try to get trump in crane in ukraine you know what happened was that if they didn't pay attention to this whole story with smart and with trump if only trump raised the issue with his precious little media no one would notice it in the united states but the whole democratic media
went after the drum because of that phone conversation and now media and sort of americans know about breach much. of the content biden made in ukraine and they have big questions about it and in fact biden basically went down the water over toward that he created for himself you know the let's go back to syria i mean i remember when political came out with the story about hunter biden and bodies when all that and i took notice of it it didn't seem to have a whole lot of traction you and i have talked about this many many times in the different venue and now it's a big story oh my goodness i mean. i think what is interesting to me that western media doesn't want to report is that american politics is in a very radical and deadly way entered into ukrainian politics in ukraine and in return is given a lot of corruption i'm not going to go i'm just up there hunter biden now act isn't the that's the way business is done it's all across the aisle both political
parties people when there is carpetbaggers to make a lot of money and it really you know what it did in the end it made things even more corrupt that's what western help for ukraine has resulted in since 2014 go ahead alex and that's absolutely correct i mean beat it can we just say that the great problem in ukraine ever since it gained independence from the soviet union has been corruption but of course after 2014 you had a situation where corruption had been extremely widespread to a situation where corruption became the organizing principle of ukrainian politics because that wall's what the new ukrainian government that was installed in 2014 remember it was not installed peacefully or legitimately it was installed viral occur so that almost by definition made it likely that it would be more corrupt and
of course overall it with lots of very violent men in ukraine many of them behaving very illegally now what then happened is you had this deeply corrupt system in ukraine vast sums of money was thrown out at the european union i said i think $17000000000.00 already has already i have that they are and they have committed to providing it with $25000000000.00 there was $3000000000.00 in go out x. where do they go i mean ukraine is a poor country today than it was in 2013. in the fall this could read so all this money when he. sloshed around in a signed this incredibly corrupt system and of course inevitably you've got all kinds of people who went into ukraine from the united states and europe some of the let's be quite frank about carpetbaggers who went in in order to make themselves
rich because the opportunities to do so and this. you know corrupt you yes i'll just but what happens when corrupt what what's happened also here is that because of this commercial in financial corruption it delves very easily into political corruption because ukraine is the epicenter of so much of what we call russia gate which by the way russia gave there's not much russia in russia gate but there's a lot of ukraine in ukraine gate. and we're going to be a mother we had great people paul martin for good point you know when we 1st arrived scandalous articles about him in the washington post by and have a warm august basically they all forgot to mention that he didn't do anything in russia he did everything in ukraine and so did the d n c and he was i'm sorrier but at least he walked on his specialty he was a political consultant he got millions for that but the bidens or chameleons for
something he didn't understand creation in because of his father's name but he was his father son he didn't understand anything in gas trade or in energy where did we come to buy them get education in energy studies you know so the 4th story isn't what i'm going to write or break for but understand. knew a lot about pharmaceuticals if you know what i mean we're going to go to a short break here and after a short break we'll continue our discussion and some real news stay with our team.
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normal middle of the room. welcome back across the uk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok team in the 1st part of the program we gave a lot of background all of the. factual driven found in western media but tell me how you see the media message about this ukraine gate in all of its various colorful characters what do western audiences missing or being misinformed well
you know basically what i meant was that by became a victim of friendly fire from the democrats media they wanted to destroy trump well i think. it's possible they think they can get 2 birds with one stone and it remains to be seen but you're right well basically if you look at the whole story they just snatched this conversation thinking that it would be pricey and lansky to investigate by them but what they heard was that. it was basically very subservient to trump you know saying that you are 1000 percent right you are my teacher you know and then they're american media and the european media or dismayed by they for what one thing for fire. the years to clean put your sins verse observe into americans look at your own videos how perfectly stalk into biden really find into our. weirdly sit do remember that in the president's seat examine and
this year in georgia when a russian deputy came to georgia and there was a session on the orthodox unity and he sat as a chairman in the speaker's seat in the georgian parliament there was an auxiliary riot you know with the crowds trying to take the parliament by storm and the western media justified they always use the fly and with that in the e.u. the western media justified it they said that the people had the right to get dismayed about someone sitting in the chairman's chair but what is it specially just mean above all this situation is that the way the western media and the american media is covering the scandal with the you know the former prosecutor general basically we have an article in the new york times which is titled meet your you would sign quote ukraine's prosecutor general and 1st you know there's the hate crime so much that they start the whole story with the phrase mr trump praised him in
a phone call with ukraine's president no mistake trump braised victor short you know the prosecutor general whom. basically poroshenko ousted on an order from by them and we know it now from giuliani is with shocking himself so mr bolton called they say now the new york times wants to tackle sankoh because it would send or just a few months ago was for trump against the liberals and so they write about him a veteran of ukraine's often treacherous political scene mr wilson could spend some time in jail before becoming prosecutor general but not ok he is basically a bit all over reform are thrown through. i heard there's so many let me translate it all get real going to. what i have just read every word for he was a supporter of my son who had spent some time in prison for real corruption
you know and then the u.s. may get while nice to him say that he was a fighter for democracy he was in jail when you get together with your new tymoshenko they spent some time in jail at the same time right and and know suddenly they were right that he basically felt such a strong desire to improve his english that he went to london ok after. if you basically fled. you know exactly if i could just kind of somebody up here we have 50 shades of corruption absolutely and i think we need to strike alexander but here is i think america are corrupt they are the people who are allied in nicely by the western media is going to get really go to london alex and i'm glad to have brought up the telephone call. pads and skin we have the transcript has been made public i think it's a 1st sentence unprecedented and i'm not sure if it was a good idea to do it but we'll see how it unfolds here but i want to go back to where demand is so here here we have
a ukrainian president and we all have our fingers crossed for him he got elected on a mandate of anti corruption which is the scourge of ukraine millions of people millions of people have left because of it because of the poor governance and the outrageous i mean it would make nigeria blush some of this corruption here because it's aided and abetted by western institutions and and politicians here but let's go back to the conversation lord of the transcript. of course is alinsky is going to be kowtow to trump in one form or another because he needs trump he says he wants to end the conflict in the donbass if trump can be there as the chaperone quote unquote it could be possible then he doesn't have to look over his shoulders at the. new york fashion. have levers of power in ukraine and corruption this is where zelinsky the heart of his campaign was if he can get western institutions maybe the f.b.i.
would be one of them though they have a pretty dodgy reputation right now what selinski wants to do is if he's going to take on corruption he's going to need outside help and i think he thinks trump is going to help him bring peace and start dealing with corruption and that's a good that's a good play for ukraine and everybody around it go ahead alex yes i mean the great problems alinsky no faces if he really is serious about corruption is that of course the whole issue has now become an issue in american domestic politics so i gather he's already been warned mind the democrats that up to now support for ukraine and in the united states has been a bipartisan issue that he risks not making it all of more alex and so are you suggesting a quid pro quo is that what you're suggesting here is that what is rump is accused of but the democrats are doing it go ahead. well that's exactly what i'm saying and
can i just add that apparently the russian prime minister mr medvedev has said that mr selenski is now caught between a democratic hammer and a republican and bill he's going to find all kinds of people like mr lute saying who by the way demon discussed very well and who incidentally was the proxy rated general of ukraine ukraine's chief law officer and he doesn't even have a law degree and that's the kind stranger can actually. hear it he's already now turning up is now ready to ending up in london apparently trying to undermine him because of course he's connections with the previous g we corrupt government so it's looking very difficult for mr selenski and this is the problem in the united states talks about how he wants to see corruption end in these countries in reality it's absolutely happy to sacrifice these countries 1st to
a giant geopolitical play against russia which is what we saw in 2014 now increasingly looks to to the pursuit of u.s. domestic politics none of this is going to help ukraine at all well western or western help never stops helping ukraine absolutely going well basically i think their western media developed its own kind of language about ukraine which is completely distorted with a litle vital domestic what is it with the term you're going to get it here of a vital u.s. national interest so i don't see how it's possible but they say it well they say that the ukraine is attacked by russia and they're the new government in ukraine installed by them in 2014 what's going to be clean let me remind our viewers that would sound call and poroshenko and shorty and they were all products or that revolution. tonight the state supported wholeheartedly in 2014 it has no one but
itself to blame for it the problem is that their american media and the european media keep talking about this vulnerable russian influence you know which corrupts clean ukrainian officials well i especially like the as the way that mr shorten in his conversation to giuliani with giuliani attempted to continue with the investigation but in or around june july 2015 the u.s. ambassador in the ukraine geoffrey pyatt told him that the investigation has to be handled with why the gloves this is a new kind of language basically sure can explain to giuliani that an investigation means invited last means do nothing you know there on the biden goal the other interesting point is you know again the new york times about. what's unclear is a familiar figure for a new study in the soviet union since 1901 a seemingly reform minded political who was given power deeply disappointed former
admirers in the west by displaying many of the use he had previously denounced and of course they had me translated into plain english the americans and the europeans put a bunch of groups and murderers in power in 2014 groups like to murder us who later went to war in donbass you know that the fascists the nazis who did a lot of killing there these groups didn't stop to be groups when they got to power the behaved in exactly the same ways as they did get all of those unfortunate in the wars and even wars because a civil war gives tremendous opportunities for corruption they've merriman's know it's wrong they are civil war when did the carpetbaggers appear after the civil war or during the civil war because you can make huge money you know if 13000 people who speak the same language watch the same television went to the same school if they're killed for no. thing then why not steal stephen is
a much smaller see and then killing so in that if the thing is really going to alex or corruptly running out of time i mean that the. characterization is very stark but i think it's on the mark here but you know this was allowed to happen because they were given cover by western elites and financial institutions i mean why any measure of corruption has gotten worse in the last 5 years and that is that the detriment of the ukrainian people look at all of their government stacks of status . and it is a pretty grim picture but it's all been for the enrichment of corrupt officials in ukraine and now foreigners where the money is being sent to western banks and being cleaned out well and it well it it i mean i come back to the point i made i mean ukraine has had about $45000000000.00 thrown at it since 2014 it's also had a major restructuring over its foreign debt it's
a huge amount of money and yet he's still a poor country that it was in 2013 that is any extraordinary fact and of course it follows through song sleep when the point dean there was making if you create a system which is run by as davis said crooks outlawed with mergers water are you going to expect that he's the inevitable outcome which he's going to follow so ok i think that i will run out of time here my only last question is when will we ever hear from hunter biden i don't know many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here on t.c. you next time and remember rolls. liz
consequences they are major irritants there's no question otherwise why would the chemical company workers themselves be geared up and suited up locals attempt to combat the on regulated experiments that often in day you have many of these people one foot into the biotech pharma and the other foot in the government regulatory bodies this kind of collusion is reprehensible while the battle goes on the chemicals continue to poison hawaii and its people so one has to ask the question whether there is a form of environmental races going on in hawaii whether these companies feel they can get away with this because the people have less political power. me. i.
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