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escalate as you pulled it which means essentially having a wall you see the us government forced into frantic through the swiss embassy in tehran which it now turns out it was the united states which initiated it was lee you know yes and having started the escalation became panicked and saw the way out to deescalate in other words they don't have clear objectives and they're not working towards those objectives instead you get the impression all a very powerful country stretching around throwing bombs in some directions killing people in other directions threatening people with sanctions but it isn't coherent and you know. you wouldn't get that impression from mainstream media go ahead glenn go ahead and i was just going to say this the theme of a. dominance has been the very central strategic objective by the united states or
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. the simplicity that america would be able to increase escalate when it wants them to bring it down so for example if the u.s. drops bombs in pakistan to syria or in any other dozen countries understanding would be that country would not be allowed to respond because of the unpredictable and there are devastating consequences from your so they can bring tensions up and down as they want for pressure now what's interesting with iran is they more or less denied this is america cause what they did was they launched their missiles directly at american military bases and america essentially have to suck it up and accept well this is the price we have to pay for for killing. general in the in iran so this is so that they rob americans of this escalation run their business it's very interesting because diem if you look at the rainy in response why firing those missiles and just hitting buildings and store where houses and things like that it's. but that is the message there is that they can do it they can't be
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stopped and they're not limited to iraq and i think that is the strategic message that they were sending nobody in the mainstream media the corporate media picked up on that well and that is the see i asked in my introduction what has changed that has changed and policymakers in washington if they have any kind of horse sense at all have to take that on board well i slightly disagree with you on corporate media because this is what i read in the new york times. sports was well was a well calibrated measure before the 1st sign is that just being anti trump exactly ok exactly what i find so this is the 1st time in 10 years that they agree with and maybe the wrong reason for going for their own reasons because actually what we saw was you know the no calls have shown their obvious site you know during the obama years and during this russian gate in the ukraine gate investigations we have seen
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that oddly side of the liberal interventionists they started the war in libya they started the war in syria they started basically started the war in ukraine now we see the ugly side of the neocons i mean that haven't been canceled i hope by the new broom and interventionist we saw it and what i think was more stable was basically of the moral side of it all i mean tom given an interview to fox news they asked him why did you do it why did you kill general sorting mine and what are your facts you know and trump responds i believe it could have been good around brasil who would have i believe i did good for embassies i believe if we could have been military bases it could have been a lot of other things but suddenly he was gone well this is thinkin i'm sorry all of oscar pistorius you know their souls african this lead who killed his daughter and shooting her from the bottom because he thought it could have been included see it could have been robert. but pistorius was on trial for that and mr
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trump instead of beating on trial gets britney's from the wall street journal though you know we have the article there which says. are we seeing a regen survival of trumps 40 porters see that's the headline and you can imagine it would end if you could alex alex it seems to me and i'll just be kind of more blunt here i think the assassination of the money was an act of desperation because there's a lack of imagination in how to move forward because essentially the u.s. is going to be find itself isolated in its fred friendly country iraq instead of fighting isis or put making sure it doesn't come back it's going to have to worry about the shia militias firing upon them and their bases i mean i think this doesn't make any sense to me something was started and i have no idea how it's going to end go ahead alex. this is correct because of course the united states as
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i think has become very clear now seriously underestimate as you did run when they pulled out of the j.c. way when they imposed all these sanctions on the thing that iraq would on the very quickly come to the negotiating table all of that the government there would rapidly collapse because of massive bought going to protests nothing like that has happened the european allies have shown that they're not very keen on this whole crisis tracked all they weren't consulted is the united states in this situation which is looking increasingly are isolated even the saudis even the israelis were not particularly it's interesting i was one of the questions i sent out to you guys is that there was it was really relatively quiet in the region as there's always going on ok because again the demonstration effect of the the the attack on the saudi. energy installations. sent
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a message and everyone else has been taking that on board except for some neo cons in washington d.c. you want to get in just a small you know it all started with a united states born been a base all share in militias in iraq and then mr trump got very angry about demonstrations near the american embassy in the united states about it but we hear from c.b.s. from c.b.s. from david march and their correspondent that i called these shiite militias are part of the iraqi security force and there were 25 people killed there imagine some foreign country. you know a base of u.s. national guard kielce 25 people and then they are dismayed that the united states citizens are staging a demonstration in their embassy you know and these demonstrations it was violent percent all wore the ukrainian nazis did during their mind on protests they set on fire 10 buildings there and people and killed 38 policemen this is how the war
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started put in didn't start that it started in kiev but now there were just a few storms thrown their gate of the embassy the current of their gas to green zone you know and the iraqi security force did not react why because plenty of 5 of their colleagues were killed you know it's interesting you know. i was watching how mike pompei of the secretary of state was reacting to all of this and they don't want any kind of questioning of their i was going to say strategy but there is no strategy the way i can see it i mean it looks quite empty in vacuous and they don't really have a reason it seems that this is the goal and it seems to me they did the assassination is merely because they could do it not that was made any strategic sense yeah no i agree and i think they kind of walked themselves into this difficult position because the mainland. legitimacy behind this what they call them a terrorist and again the then this is the the. killed terrorists know and it's
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probably the most fundamental individual in the region that actually pushed isis back but it's going to show us the problem of demonizing iran because you know already a few months ago they recognized that the revolutionary guard a military branch in iran is a terrorist organization and then by definition the leader of this all the money they define him as the terrorist now once you start throwing this words around terrorist calling foreign leaders foreign terrorists now you're opening up for you having this legitimate so-called legitimate. issue when the interest in us is legitimizing that why can't to rant to it is well it's been legitimized by the i don't want exactly at all once and the kind of language that you'll just you know it could have been for emphasis and then suddenly he's gone you know it was ascribed to study and then he said there is a man there is a problem there is no man there is no problem no one card started saying that
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publicly but truong is basically saying that both that part we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stay with arkie.
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what holds its institutions a little. bit put themselves on the lawn. to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president or injury. or some want to be rich. have to be right to beatrice that's what it looks like the 3 of them or it can't be good that i'm interested always in the waters of the crowd. there should. show some same wrong all right old roles just don't call. me old yet to say proud disdain become educated and indeed equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart. just to look for common ground the.
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notion. welcome back to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle to to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok let's go back to alex in london you know alex this this 10 day. fiasco that we all went through. a lot of war jitters and whatnot and a lot of exaggeration in the media and misinformation disinformation that's why we do programs like this but there is one problem out there that is not resolved then is going to be increasingly more difficult to resolve and that is the u.s. military presence in iraq now trump is been threatening iraq with sanctions making you have to pay for these bases will the u.s. and its allies in baited in 2003 illegally i don't see why the iraqis have to pay
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one cent is. apology is due also we have threats that the new york fed bank may withhold cash reserves that are held on behalf of iraq and if i'm not mistaken in the in the tune of $3000000000.00 i mean is this how you treat an ally i mean don't you go shade in top with a now i am not threatened that's how you resolve issues or maybe that is something no one void in this administration when it comes to foreign policy go ahead alex what is absolutely shocking behavior because those troops those american troops in iraq are supposed to be there at the invitation of iraq if iraq asks for them to go they should go in fact it seems that the united states not only wants them to stay it is prepared to put coercive pressure and you talked about this attempt to stop you iraq accessing banking facilities in order to force them to stay that is not
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the action of an ally that is the action of an occupier of a country that is trying to occupy iraq for its own purposes in order to conduct was against other countries namely iran with which iraq is on good terms and which iraq needs to be on good terms with so it is all for behavior and of course it is extremely unwise and very dangerous behavior because increasingly iraqis at every level of society who are already very angered by the experiences of 1st the war and occupation of their gun tree but also the previous history of sanctions that the united states imposed on iraq are now increasingly going to start to see the united states and its military on their territory as not the solution to their problems but has the problem you know yes. you know as glenn
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glenn it seems to me we have to remind our viewers that in the 1980 s. iran and iraq on an 8 year war something akin to like trench warfare in the 1st world war it was bloody it was awful it was destructive. and now we have this illegal invasion of iraq and the net outcome of that is that iraq has moved closer to iran a country that they fought a bloody war for 8 years. doesn't the american stance actually than in push forward a better iraqi iran relationship because you know the trumpet ministration say we're going to leave and part of the conditions is that we want everyone else to leave everyone should get out of iraq i think you could sell that idea the i think a lot of iraqis would go for it i think the majority of iraqis would like to see all foreign troops all foreign opera operatives leave but the way the trumpet administration is playing it works to iran's advantage again. a little bit in 2003
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and 4 after the invasion and we saw that the. that. with the sudden same gone a future shia dominated iraq who are increasingly aligned itself closer with iran and of course overcome their troubled history now i think. there's been a one of the unintended consequence of killing us all the money as well now the iraqis are asking americans to leave iraq because of course they don't want to be battlefield for the in the middle of all of this so so yes the their play this and then the very very bad way and of course this will be a big strategic victory for the iranians because they would like the americans to leave the middle east and iraq would of course be a highest priority in terms of where they should lead in syria. yes of all obviously so i think well i do sympathize with the goal to get like you mentioned get on out of iraq and i think what middle east really needs is a proper security architecture now i think the. the problem there is i think this
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more interested in conceptualizing security architecture like we do in europe where we establish a military alliance for example against russia now i think they want to recreate something similar in the middle east now security architecture should include iran once excluded then we have the european system or it's targeting another state and then security becomes defined very much since there are some terms ok but you didn't used the word i'll use it nato they want to levy an air of nato or even expanding nato to include arab countries which i think is kind of interesting as nobody's mentioned if israel should be part of that i think that's an interesting no one would have to work on but you know this idea of an arab nato has been floated before but nobody in the region seems to be particularly interested in tromp said that he said you know i am quoting him we can use need to in other locations for example in the middle east. interventionist have been on paper withdrawn for all these years saying that he did not respect his european allies
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you know he thought there germany was not paying enough now trump is seen you know these european guys they use this need at least you know we can expect there but isn't that. table. has been occupied the americans have created a civil war in iraq that killed according to various estimates about i've heard any good men you know on television citing physicians for peace who say it could be up to london median people killed in the rock as a result of that chain reaction from their american intervention in $231000000.00 people killed and now mr trump is seeing you all lost one trillion dollars all the money that we spent on the war in iraq you with the iraqi government or us but also of the other interesting point is that i think in the rock we see how liberal interventionists and now of course in the united states how the school. related to
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both democracy they had been warned that the majority in iraq is basically shaded most libs so if if you introduce democracy there bro you raney an audience would get would win you know that it was obvious but still you know george bush jr and are those the press that have you know they had elections and know their own paper that iran has influence well of course iran has influence and there are some parts in the rock which support doing in presence because they need it against the so-called islamic state the true lies are on there so when you radiate course and also iran is religiously close to them we had the same story in ukraine why is ukraine a dictatorship no because if you have do more prosy the role russia and the eastern candidate wins as it was the case with win over craft to work with young record which actually beaten you going the 1st all astroland of elections so low with
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a zillion ski it having a landslide against against poroshenko so this idea that we need democracy is not so incredibly creepy and we do not really say you have translated into policy ok this go back to our next hero me i think it's really quite fascinating that you know the europeans and the country should get more involved in the middle east why would they want to do that because it turned into a 3 digit backwater in a quagmire but i guess that's what trump really wants he wants other people to do his dirty work for him and not just his i mean prime previous administrations as well i mean it really shows a lack of strategic vision and he wanted to leave the middle east problem solved and we solved for the united states and let the people in the region figure it out because that's the only way it's ever going to be figured out go ahead well that's absolutely right and i think that the 100 year expanding or sending nato troops to the middle east is absolutely horrifying to most people i mean speaking
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here in gross at the. would be massive opposition. in germany where it was proposed some time ago by the current german defense minister that they send troops to syria to act as a peacekeeping force when the us to be pulling out the evil one horrified at the whole notion the europeans would be appalled european public would be appalled by such a thing it seemed to me frankly that this is just try again trying to find a way saving face pulling u.s. troops out of the middle east without at the same time surrendering all appearing to surrender to the the middle east and so he turns to his nato allies who are of course not interested it proves again exactly the point you made at the start of the program that there is no real strategic thinking behind all of this was a quickly say ideas of setting up arab and arab nato they go all the way back to
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the 1950 is those of us with memories or knowledge of the history of the region you know there was the baghdad pact yet of the 950 s. yet what do you do it provoked a revolution in iraq because that leaves one of the region don't want it it's extraordinary how the us instead of learning from its mistakes always seems to repeat them you know glenn the strength of the critics are gonna turn from the left i'm actually from on the right as well i think of some writers on the website the american conservative is it 3 years in if the ministry in election looming is that trump has not drain the swamp pieces actually taken it over he's running it now that's a little bit over the last of the last 10 days so really show their go here there are no i agree i'm. a clear traction for many of to vote for trump again this idea
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that he won't pull them out of the wars. it was interesting that. they did this discrepancy between the american leadership and the people because every kind of election has had the same following like bush he won after clinton because it promised america would not be a global policeman to be in tunisia to build a new nation with nation building then you had the obama he wanted change the new peace candidate the new trump he promised you know we're going to pull us out of the middle east and all of this foreign conflicts it's going to be america 1st and they get now he seems to be doubling down as well the whole see taking on iran is just if there were where do you go who would who to vote for it's so i think this this might cost him lection it's interesting it's kind of how it plays out of new south wales it did him in the last 25 seconds go to you well it's amazing that probably one of the good things about it all is that for the 1st time in many years democrats are speaking out against the wars vali nasr of all the ages of the new
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york times the person who supported the interventions in the in ukraine in yugoslavia suddenly says you're a new son nationalists a new war with the united states they would see as forced on them as a fight with the bully well that's true but the only problem is why did he caved why did he stand before that it never would have been said if it wasn't for the individual sitting in the white house that shows how everything is warped. politics because of one man and your perception of him at all the time we have gentleman here many thanks to my guest here in moscow and in london thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business i'm showbusiness i'll see you there.
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