tv Cross Talk RT February 10, 2020 3:30am-4:01am EST
the destiny of the country and the world indeed the washington political establishment and their donor minions as well as the media want to destroy trump but don't be fooled by partisanship is alive and well. across talking some real news i'm joined by my guys glenn these and he is a professor at the higher school of economics as well as author of the decay of western civilization and the resurgence of russia we also have dmitri biopics he is a political analyst and editor at interest me internet media project and in london we crossed alexander macarius he is a writer on legal affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com all right gentlemen as always crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciate let me go to london 1st here alex i'm naming this program dumpster fire because like i really don't know where to start here we're in post impeachment post a state of the union address post. and it only continues to snowball.
the dumpster fire for me is that we're in part 2 of what started in 2016 we had basically a hostile takeover of the republican party with some never trumpeters that are still in very important influential positions on particular and foreign policy will talk about and now part 2 to 2020 you have the establishment there with the democratic stablished and their donors and the media at war with the voter and among themselves this is what's happening the center is completely collapsing all over the place and we have this invented creature the american mccrone mayor pete go ahead with it this is exactly the point. the democrats have not understood or accepted the reasons why they don't see the 2016 election well they are. easy enough. what they tried to do in 2016 election in the.
1016 election they made all sorts of claims about donald trump we have wildly inflated and exaggerated and they didn't address the concerns of the voters and the 2016 election they were trying to stop their most popular candidate was bernie saunders gaining the democratic party's nomination even though every opinion poll showed that he was the one possible potential democrat who could be don't want to drub what they're doing this to one is exactly they think they're trying to stir up the only saunders and they discover there's. mr buttigieg who they think can somehow connect with the voters even though he has no clue what you know alex alex alex he connects with the establishment that's not with the voters here glenn that you know when looking at the iowa caucuses here i mean i'll give you my humble opinion this was their 1st in broad daylight and get used to it ok
if the voters were vote the wrong way there's going to be a high tech solution why it went wrong i think this is the beginning of something not a one off go ahead yeah i agree with what they're said this obviously. gave me a bit of a deja vu because this is exactly the same thing even involving the same people and i think it's a good reason behind it i don't think they really assess what went wrong in 2016 because again this is a political center falling apart and you know we often focus on the democrats but the same problem is that the republican keep in mind none of the republicans initially want to try to win of course now they're falling in line but this is a political center following which is why you have trump on the right to have people like sanders on the left and there's very little. political lips in the center can do to hold their ground so yes i like that comparison i do see people.
a bit of a lock on some on the one all the main candidates failed some on the launch in the last minute hoping it was giving all the media and political support hoping that he will take it but i think they need this this amount of intervention have done now and this huge disaster in iowa it's it's going to show the voters yet again that you know you can't really trust the d.n.c. you can't trust these people to run the caucus let alone run the country and this is why i think also it's going to have this is going to end up with 4 more years for trump because what have they really done out there to they're trying yet again to. force a nice word for it's growing. out of the nomination again and once this is all over you're going to have a lot of his angry voters who will then be asked to vote for you know what the other the other is happening here is theme is that. it is turning into a pattern empirically it is a pattern what happened in 2016 to barely what's happening right now i mean so i
mean why vote why participate in the short ride if it's going to be rigged the outcome is already known and c.n.n. and. ari tell the party line for the left there is another reason not to walt that is the bernie sanders is not defending himself you know he did not defend himself in 2016 it became apparent from the. correspondence that they publish that he never stood a chance of getting into munition and instead of getting angry and he would have cleaned and d. and c. bernie sanders turned against russia you know russia the world putin modeled environ over his recent speeches during the campaign bernie sanders called putin dangerous anti-democratic or story t.v. and who engaged in military adventurism in ukraine and the crimea well for birdie sent us information not a single person was killed in cranio when they are unified and so with russia in 2014 but the united states did. not yet in any adventurism in libya in yemen
where actually tens of thousands of people die you know a feeling is you know it's really interesting you mention oh it's only go back to you in london it seems to me that forced regime change the the well oiled machine that has been applied particularly in this century we could even throw in the destruction of former yugoslavia they've just brought it home it brought it to iowa where they're taking it to new hampshire i mean the me invoke the majority example the last election you have the. the organization american say there were election irregularities but they didn't give any evidence of it and then let me repeat comes out and says i won and then the media says well he won no empirical evidence needed it just because it's self confirming soap legitimize thing process to discredit the other side witness it's fact free go ahead this is exactly true and if you look at also all that's been happening with russia gate you find many of the same people
who were involved in putting together the russia gate conspiracy fantasies which were trying to use to leverage don't trump out of the presidency all the same people in the intelligence services and elsewhere who are behind the various regime change was or were involved at the ease inevitable if you didn't have a country that goes around the world. i mean governments considers it has the right to choose each he's inevitable that sooner or later that toolkits is going to be brought back home and he's going to be used against dissident politicians there the problem is that not only is that dangerous to your own political constitutional system which it is but it also means that ideas are disappearing from the center exactly there is now. he is as paul
has become extremely manipulative. and i just want to add to that i couldn't agree more because there is. the keep in mind that during these discussions the bits there's very little substance not actually discussing a policy even with trump. they're not actually putting forward the political alternative because despite it's this polarization there's actually a lot of similarities it's not that much difference between them and you see this in how they behave i mean what is politics are they nancy pelosi ripping up the speech of donald trump it's the people that is proclaiming that all this is a milestone i'm gay and i'm running for president how wonderful. elizabeth warren like oh i'm a woman and vote for me is like this is the actual if you let me just let me give you an example of that ok medicare for all ok that's we hear that a lot well i don't really know what that means can someone explain to me what a policy like that would mean how much it would cost over what time period what
would be involved i mean i'm not could it be i don't want to be the product of the political atmosphere that they want to gently want to make me fall on one side or the other i want to know what do you mean by that no one ever explains what you mean by that and republicans say you're for open borders well what does that mean ok i mean i'm just reinforcing glenn's point right here right now it is that instead of throwing out all of these labels and ideas or empty ideas. we live in a idea vacuum right now it's all if you like or dislike donald trump that is an impoverished politics well i mean i would love to pronounce my opinion on all been borders or economic fortress america and. now i really do it is really. tragic about that but what i can say is you should not cross your mind you with someone who can continuously lie and could probably what happened with the russian gauge you know. this week trump was finally admitted and he made that very
passionate speech to his supporters right after it sane russia russia russia turned out to be a something well i cannot even you know that something connected to wolf's. anyway he said that and there are no facts that the democrats can present you know to to counter this ok now i'm kind of jumping ahead here to trust your money we'll see but see in this isn't exactly what i want to talk about in the 2nd half of the program is that this is about this part bipartisanship that i mentioned in my introduction you know to to go into russia gate is a glue that keeps the overall establishment and donors in in in place ok ok and i think we need to talk about that finish up because we're going to break well the problem is that basically not only russia gate collapse but also ukraine gate everyone could listen to this conversation that. it was not
a betrayal transport issue and ukraine was not pro russian it was very anti russian who gave level 8 to ukraine something that obama did and to do so he is indeed vindicate on all sides by the doesn't mean that trump is a good person he is very bad just the people who went against him were the ones you call liars and that's the problem you have people i have been in twins they were shown the door which was very interesting the way it was betrayed in the media as that saturday night massacre what happened to the days where you serve at the pleasure of the president of the united states we saw wallace veneman and his family were placed at american military unit to protect them compare that to jordan our sons compare our lives no we don't you know all of these people they're real whistleblowers we know what treatment they hold that we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion and some real news stay with our.
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welcome back to crossfire where all things considered i'm peter lavelle to mind you're discussing some real news. ok i'll just go back to you i want to talk about what the the the scourge of bipartisanship been in the imperial city the swamp you know the state of the union address if you are a conservative republican that was one of the greatest sin dresses ever given ok fine i get it if you're on the other side of the aisle it was it was
a disgusting display of ego is i'm in half truths there's a point there too but. what caught my eye during the whole thing not the ripping up and pelosi is ripping up of the speech no not at all that was just pure theatrical that was prepared in advance what i found really disturbing is then. why don't know the man anointed by the united states and its allies to be the president of venezuela. he was there and he stood up and you know what nancy stood up the democrats stood up the republicans stood up bipartisanship in foreign policy they we were given a display every single day 247 of the hatred of these 2 camps but they have our lot in common and it's called foreign policy interventionist foreign policy a hawkish foreign policy go ahead alex that is entirely untrue i mean that in fact if you drill down into it many of the much of the political crisis around don't
trump has happened in the united states well speakers initially there was concern that he was not actually part of this foreign policy bipartisan consensus that you were talking about is the same way in other countries just the same embrace and we saw that with gerry corydon but they're all these relentless attacks on anybody who deviates in the salon to sway from this to this idea that the united states not only has a brilliant but has some kind of a duty to intervene around the world to expand its influence and to extent what he calls or defines as democracy which changes from one place to another as its interests require and this is the overriding problem that you have in the united states now because we discussed in the 1st part of the program how
this foreign policy has become so important there that. it's tools are being imported back and at the same time as it monopolizes all it interest there is no one really no development of domestic policy to speak of and you have you have this this issue and ukraine gate park and so. was in was an extension of that foreign policy exactly and you know it as alex said here it is so when for tint it is so very important that you can't discuss it it's stats that it's that important you know but i would argue though that the dearth there are some differences in terms of the foreign policy that it can often seem the same but like . before trump i think both the left and the right to a committed to very much share liberal hedge of money which suggests you know we organize the world or reinvent a world in the america's image which then culminated in all this regime change wars
and nation building and this proved to be very expensive and it drained a lot in failure if failure of course so it's failing and it's draining all this resources from the core so trump is he's not going for a liberal had the money is going more for him liberal hedge of money but it's still it's slightly slightly different but if you're on the receiving of the hedge your money does it make any difference nobody is seeking more of a return on investment so. so it's not trying to pull away from hedge money but rather you see you know that being said you see the transaction transactional hedge about this you see some common cause for example with. because they're both kind of all the same camp if you can you know topple the government of one with you know the most oil rich country in the world relatively easily without spending so much money and it's the same you know the liberal illiberal had you might fall in the same place same us with ukraine if you can sell them some weapons and also you know come from russia you know again you have both sides with the same interests but there are there are some minor differences but i think there are that's
a good point but you know you have to throw in the trump factor because. on the face of it your logic it does sound ok but then we throw in the trump phenomenon and if you for something you must be against it and that's when everything starts getting all screwed up again it doesn't have any coherence to it but nonetheless if it's a liberal hedge of money or an. jim only which you're an academic you split hairs ok it still had to mony ok and in its it there's no room downside to promoting either vision ok except the taxpayer there's no infrastructure rebuilt and it does it's the goodwill about america in the world that look well i would give just 2 examples 2 recent examples of similarities between republicans and democrats on their board here namely on russia because it's the closest thing to me so with syria you know russia suggested providing humanitarian aid to the areas of syria which are controlled by the government which is 90 percent of syria you know
the country devastated by the war what was the response in the united nations know will only provide aid to the areas not under the syrian government's control and how did mike pump war that were rushing china who have chosen to make a political statement by a pause in this resolution you have blood on your hands and of quote from my poor will not much introspection on the part of the democrats you know during this campaign we've heard all things about russia i challenge you know our viewers to look for the most stupid one so far for me that the gold goes to amy global shark who just said about i think she for what his name she said someone who has short. over ukraine well when did north should dump leans over ukraine ukraine was born being done yes and the passenger plane which was in the same area from which they were born bindon the answer was shot down by
a missile we still don't know exactly where it came from that is the troops but they just threw accusations you know the democrats the republicans whatever you say about it actually i'll go to the carnival is the point that i was making at the end of the 1st part of the program is that this rush to get glen here this whole in a month saying russia gate specifically the russia gate stands for this whole mindset. of empire interventionism is what keeps the entire elite together ok at least they can have consensus on that if it's a liberal or illiberal had your money in it you trump is done for drop the trump a nominee is actually made the left much more hawkish which is which is a change because you have people you have people on the map you can insta tucker carlson's the douglas macgregor is what you're saying exactly what we're saying here is that. approach of interventionism isn't in america's interest it is in no one's interest here but you still see the example of syria when when these 2 camps
have some differences for example for from the start which meant they would like to continue to push in a lot of money in order to continue this occupation of syria even though they know it's not going to work out then while trump saying no no this is country and resources. let's just take the oil instead and that's kind of that's a good that's against the american sanctions but anyway no one thought that out yeah it's not well thought out but that's where you find that the cameras come together ok well at least it's not leaving syria completely is holding on to the oil so nobody can escape can't leave he's not allowed to leave alex let me go back to you here i mean there's one thing that you didn't mention in your long list there is that the in the city to have enemies you have to have enemies and you have to you have to create threats to legitimize the defense spending again
bipartisan they trump got all he wanted plus more from a democratically controlled congress don't tell me there isn't bipartisanship there everybody gets their little slice of the pie ok that is good business particularly if you're a shareholder of these companies go ahead and think that sometimes the course. is actually getting more money. moment that it knows how to spend it is being forced to buy more air $35.00 air fighters for a dollar and then what they did to work that he wants it is it is of course true and is right across the entire political spectrum and the point is that it now the political establishment defines itself through this foreign policy. as more or gives it legitimacy it seems to me that the fundamental difference now which we don't trump and some people you know on of the
sort of so-called liberal end of the spectrum is that he intervenes without a mask he does it quite straightforwardly he says this is all about you know the united states moving money getting its hands on all squeezing its allies whereas of course the other people who want to intervene around the world have been really object to those things you don't see people complaining about donald trump's approach to these things but they like to talk more about democracy they learn to make it seem rather more civilized than of course it in fact is they don't want the mask to be taken off quite so blatantly but ultimately this entire political system in the united states is now purely about foreign policy and you know we were talking about russia see the controversy in russia you have a state of the union address in the united states which is so much about foreign
policy compare that with a recent state of the union address in russia which is ultimately primarily a burn to maginnis one to proceed as follows 90 percent of it doesn't mean russia doesn't have an active foreign policy with it you may agree with all nor but it is not a sense. it's government and police who says to win the you know you state's easy opus it improves the room holds this foreign policy and it was for him a policy and a foreign policy that you can't question or else you're thrown under the bus just asked towsley gabbert you've got 40 seconds go and you well talking about what you said that the democrats on the left in general on the hawkish well stephen cohen kind of variable comment about this in his stock to don't buy a chair which i really recommend if you are serious to add to it to listen to he
said he just called a woman speaking at these hearings on impeachment and one from stanford university st we need to how people premiums fight russians in ukraine so that we don't have to fight them here and that goes repeated by saying it is my congressman this is how we set a boundary there are weapons of mass destruction in iraq ok the same wording there but. steal steal our i'm glad about what happened in 2016 because if he were a clinton had been in power and if she had the support of these democratic congress the war in iraq would happen march that's all the time we have here many thanks to my guest here in moscow and in london thanks to our viewers for watching us here at d.c. an expanding remember. join
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