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yeah actually does he is never going to break down he will break down into smaller pieces but it will stay in the environment for hundreds of years so we expected this. effect over later at the acting at animals will also be around so many years do you think that governments are taking this problem seriously enough now we really think the government should step up. using were usable items because it's not taking into account when producing these single use products it's also affecting wildlife that is being illiterate in great amounts that ike we find him on the streets in so many so many amounts in large amounts and also in the canals and laden with volunteers clean up working else in just a few kilometers they found over hundreds of these face masks and it's that's yet it's such a big problem are there any practical steps that ordinary people can take to ensure that their p.p. doesn't create a hazard for wildlife yeah definitely use reusable items yet are there mainly.
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built of cotton that made of cotton so these are less likely also to litter because they're of more value to them do you see where you as items are really cheap so you easily more easily lose them but also google just cut up the strips so animals are less likely to get entangled in the face marks and also share your observations with us or through our database we've been speaking with there's a lot of home by name a biologist at leighton university in the netherlands thank you for your time and your advice. that's a global as update for this hour but don't forget you can always had to our website r.t. dot com for the details on all those stories and many more. hello
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and welcome to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle the biden ministration has made it clear its foreign policy will be informed by the protections and spread of western liberal values it would seem values are far more important than national and economic security not surprisingly not all countries in the world are in agreement with biden's vision for the global order. cross talking the liberal world order i'm joined by my guest brian becker in washington he's the executive director of the answer coalition in london we have
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matt or throw up he is a professor of political science and international relations at coventry university and in budapest we have george said he is a podcast or at the gaggle which can be found on you tube and rumble are jumping crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always preferred let me go to george 1st in budapest we had that confound with the chinese in anchorage which turned into a train wreck because the secretary of state was more concerned about china's internal affairs and not measuring up to western liberal values however you want to define them and then we had the secretary of state meeting with. nato allies a few days ago and he talked about values 17 times but george i didn't see international law mentioned once so what's going on here i mean what is the playing field international law or liberal values as how the west interprets it go ahead.
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well that's exactly right. what we have is the western powers that have defined. rules based order something that they appreciate they set the rules and they issued the orders and everyone has to comply wants them there is now an alternative model which is advocated by russia and china which is let us return to the west balian system of states which is that all states are sovereign within their own territory no state can interfere in the internal affairs of another state knows they can threaten and use any kind of coercion not just military go through economic coercion against any of the state and that these principles these westphalian principles were in shrive in the united nations charter and so when when the united states talking about values and that they
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intend to spread bad use it dentists red democracy then there are very few takers because most of the well look behind the russian and chinese model much more appealing which is we don't really want what you're selling that is what they're going to say to the united states and it's some great allies and they are ok martin in london as i said in my my introduction here i mean this is what we're getting from this administration is a reliance on so-called values but what about economic security military security it all of these things which the nation state you know it made needs to do to protect its interests i mean it doesn't seem to be much of an interest driven foreign policy when you're trying to change the internal affairs of another country go ahead matt in london. well the international war days are also an economic order for there to be a a liberal retraced system this was one of america's interests which is
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a. traditionally has to be ahead of him on that has to be a country that carries the burdens america inspired a considerable distance the only superpower and konami as well as military in the world an america that can take you know on itself truths that marriage and water that everybody else can benefit from it's a bit like lighthouses me konami theory so people who are very rich will live in houses and the other people will then be able to navigate on the cd because of that great power and where it's been said that one cannot interfere with the the internal affairs of the country where it is that actually if you look at the u.n. charter that was mentioned before which was true over the drawn up including countries that use the present day russia etc should be democracy freedom of speech which is not exactly what you see if you live in china and also sadly not the case in russia so russia which used to be a country with
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a great tradition fought for for the rule of law if you look at the 1st constitution written by catherine the great it had all those things russia is a coup poor national and russia is a place that people like me love the lives of just gives you the bolshoi ballet teacher czerkawski and all the writers and i would hope that russia which used to be in the camp of liberal democracy would return to where russia belongs to be a progressive western ok well let me let me let me go to brian here so if we if we extrapolate from what we just heard from matt so the u.s. would use military force to bring democracy around the world i think we've seen quite a few examples of that recently i wonder i was not you know i'm sorry let me go let me go. my 3rd guest in and you can react i promise i'll go right back to you so brian you know i mean it's like madeleine albright when we stand tall and we see further i mean that was during the crisis breaking up of yugoslavia the illegal
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invasion of iraq and i could go on and on and on so i had him on maybe can have good intentions but that's not power politics go ahead brian in washington. well and i would actually dispute the the good intentions part i mean i think the whole referencing of mel use is largely a pretext it's largely a problem for public consumption to disguise what is basically a naked self interested foreign policy that aims to dominate or dislodge or topple governments that are independent independent meaning that they have the capacity to control their own labor their own land their own resources and to be politically independent rather than submissive and so the united states in this day and age says we're doing this for an unknowable cards we're doing this to bring democracy or in the case of libya it was to protect civilians who are in iraq it
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was to stop weapons of mass destruction or in afghanistan it was to stop terrorism any there's always something good something america presents itself as an exceptional country that's disinterested in in real things in only as promoting values but in fact i believe that the values are really just a shield i mean the talk about their use and really what the united states is trying to do by emphasizing the issue of values for instance because it's trying to create or commit or carry out other what we might call color revolutions against targeted countries so the u.s. looks at where the vulnerabilities may be in the case of china so certainly america cares about muslims as long as they're in china suddenly america cares about taiwan again suddenly america carries a cares are so much about hong kong and democracy there it doesn't care about these things in saudi arabia the values of the of the values are consistent values they
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could be consistently applied but they're only select that we have played against are going to be governments and so i believe it's a very aggressive very had germanic foreign policy military policy and let's face it. the there's been a reorientation of u.s. military doctrine so that the war on terror is all yesterday now it's major power conflict so in order to take the american people to war against china or conflict with china russia you have to convince them that they're very evil and what makes them evil they don't have our values ok matt in live in london i'll let you to reply ok go ahead yes no i think i thought that you did not say that you should use force to invade other countries i think that the invention in iraq was a mistake whether it was technically neco all because there were a number of un security council resolutions that could be argued that it possibly was you know i personally think you know. it was illegal it was
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certainly illegal for russia to in ukraine and that's not respecting the order the ok and that well what that's assuming that russia did invade ukraine that invasion of ukraine you know what did that have ok what was your cattle there gentlemen one thing we know for sure that the democratically elected government in kiev was toppled illegally we have victoria newlands voice we have the american ambassador to ukraine talking about how that was all done so i don't know if there was an invasion of ukraine but there certainly was an illegal overthrow of a democratically elected government georgia you're in dismay george go ahead. well exactly i mean when we start talking about in legal invasions and then we look at the record of the west and compare that with russia i mean it's a joke i mean where we're talking about iraq i mean it's laughable even to start
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talking about the invasion of iraq of being possibly illegal i mean you know the former u.n. secretary general kofi annan himself said no it is not legal there was no way that you can justify it according to international law the only way you can become legal would have been a resolution from the united nations security council and no less than $33.00 permanent members of the united nations security council vetoed any kind of a resolution to use force against iraq so those that you know the question of the illegal and the same goes for the onslaught on the yugoslavia happened just over 20 years ago again the only way you could have justified it as legal is if you have gone to the united nations security council that's it it's in the u.n. charter you could if you're going to use force to conditions either it's self-defense or if it's authorized by the security council it wasn't authorized
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those security council affect the security council strongly opposed to it and so the talking about who is violating international law i think this all of the spokesman for the west really should you know hold their peace on this one ok brian i'm going to give you the last minute before we go to the break go ahead jump in. yes well what we're witnessing right now is a very expansive u.s. war drive and a full court press against russia and china what what what trump did and also by his there's a lot of continuity here the same thing that reagan did in the eighty's maximum pressure on these countries reagan had somebody call captive nations trying to liberate the oppressed republics in the soviet union all of it designed for maximum pressure for regime change or what became color revolutions we have to understand that it's really the values element of it is really pretextual it's a public rationale behind it is kind of naked old style colonialism dressed up with
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a new outfit all right gentlemen i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the liberal world order saying harking. in the 1920 s. and thirty's several 100 african-americans moved to the soviet union and many of their descendants still live in russia. looking at the mostly no no rush bus though up of stuff yes it got. things on their way. back home but i can merican suffered from racism and a complete lack of prospects. is that lump us mud the deal and i'll be a losing one by elsa store but by doing. so they decided to leave everything
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behind and start a new life in a country about which they knew almost nothing at all some of the your troops who were too thrilled with your new. found great secret. to move a few you're going to go through them you. know almost a 100 years later the history is repeating itself my great grandfather george time went through russia. on probable worst try to go anywhere why not me. when i come here. problem drugs don't always come from unscrupulous dealers but from pharmacies to in every state in the united states we see me very sharp increase in the number of people seeking treatment for addiction to prescription opioids it invaded america
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under the banner of medicine he persisted with the pain but instead of trying to wean him off though she just goes after dose after dose after dose and really became his drug dealer so who's to blame patients doctors manufacturers all the government. welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the liberal world order. ok let's go back to matt in london i think one of the things i find really very peculiar is that mr blinken the secretary of state has been really quite active and
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very much in public. trying to explain the administration's policy on the world stage and his constant obsession with this democracy issue which i think everyone i think not only speaking about democracy is a good idea but you know it's really kind of rich coming from the secretary of state when after the november election tens of millions of people have doubts about the democratic process in the united states itself so i mean isn't it kind of peculiar to you that the secretary of state goes on the world stage well it's deeply divided at home go ahead in london. america's deeply divided it's the polarized society but in america people have the right to express their opinion there is no indication. that the election was in any way it is the fairest election that has ever been in american history america is not a perfect democracy and americans an imperfect. but it would be better that america
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strives to becoming a perfect democracy. and and it's it's it's perfectly. able. to defend democracy america has a proud tradition of tomorrow it is the oldest democracy in the world it's always going to democracy but america in america gave it the right to get it but don't you think magine overthrowing the legal government in iran in ukraine we could make program after program about how the united states isn't all i'd tag and democracy all around the world because it doesn't have the democracy it wants for geo political reasons you know it's not democracy is the problem it's who's who is in power and even if it's a democratic process they still do that i mean the number of elected governments and latin america that have been overthrown by the outside forces here i mean you know if allowed to build democracy i mean i really have no idea what you're getting
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at here george you know jump in here i mean it's like it but what is it and i think probably i think you probably do know in america. it's a cudgel for power ok it's not about a principle go ahead george. well that's exactly right 2 2 and this is an ongoing thing so many of the apologists for us foreign policy will say yes it's true that we did this with not so they can iran in $53.00 yes it's true we did this with benson guatemala 54 we overthrew i ended up with 73 but that was all a long time ago no it wasn't a long time ago the overthrow of the government of ukraine and we know the united states is involved we have a record of the telephone conversation between victoria nuland and the us ambassador geoffrey pyatt we know what they were up there that's just a few years ago this is an ongoing thing that the united states is always doing and
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that's where it's all it's it's laudable election well we're getting to a situation in which 1 1 the losing side does not accept the outcome of an election let's not let's go back to 2016 we don't want you 16 the losing side the democrats refused to accept that outcome as of to undermine that election so now we've got a 2020 alexion and again the losing side does not accept the outcome and we can be absolutely certain that given the 5050 country the united states is at the moment that the 2024 election will be very close and we can be sure that the losing side will not accept that outcome so in other words the very basis of democracy which is losing sight says ok we lost 2 you on the government that's gone that's not there in the united states so it is a little hollow for the united states and around lecturing the world about the perfections of democracy you know brian you know if i came across
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a hang on let me go back to bryan and were able when gets equal time here i'm going to go to brian in washington you know brian go go go back to the anchorage confound . blinken wanted to talk about the the we want to talk about hong kong he wanted to talk about taiwan. well would it be fair on the chinese part to say well what's going on in flint michigan why don't your people have clean water maybe we should take this to the security council i mean their human rights are being denied the civil rights are being denied under american law i mean it's you know you can't you can both sides have their own fair share to lecture each other but maybe it would have been better to talk about. navigation i p tear ups i mean these are things that actually impact national interest and your own citizens that's what diplomacy used to be it wasn't like it is today like it's a sermon today go ahead brian yeah you're quite right peter and that was that's a really important point i mean united states invited the chinese to come to the
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united states alaska's part of the united states so be the host brings the guests there and immediately at the beginning dresses down the guests and says look you're violating all of these human rights issues in china in your own country taiwan hong kong all part of china and then says it's a violation of the international rules based order and as a consequence we're going to focus on it and the chinese diplomat said the temerity to say well wait you're an imperfect democracy what about black lives matter what about the suppression of black people for not just since george floyd but for a long time eccentric cedrick and the american press denounces the chinese diplomats for being insubordinate and speaking up and saying obvious truths which they had no intention of saying but they're not going to be lectured to so here you have the united states up on the pedestal and acting like it's bringing to that the
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10th or maybe the 11th commandment the 11th commandment is listen to us we are god and the rest of the world like you know thank you we don't want to do that we're not going to be submissive to you and so is the chinese said you have no clue and no ability to. to lecture us from a position of strength because in fact the american empire is in decline it's not completely gone obviously it has a lot of power but the fact of the matter is the united states has gone to war constantly endlessly it's a warfare state and even though yes your other guests are right that america's polarized when it comes to spending a trillion dollars a year each year every year that's 5 times more than china and 10 times worse than russia and annually and that there is unanimated between the republicans and the democrats yeah so it's only on the issue of american projection of power in the military power in america can find some semblance of unity that's us that's like the roman empire in decline the only thing we can unite around is our enemies are
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perceived enemies or the enemies we want to make in the world let's go back to matt in london matt we have the high commissioner for foreign affairs joseph perot was in a moscow last few weeks and he pulled the kind of the pull the same stunt that lincoln did and he was rebuked very strongly and then we had obviously lincoln in anchorage people are pushing back major powers are pushing back i mean this it's things are changing how do you think this is going to play out if the major powers in the world start saying no. well i think we're going to start with would be interesting to see if people were actually be. allowed to listen to this even russia now people are allowed to protest the russians that is not true at all you don't and there are protests all of the time here all you have to do is get a permit and you can do it or you can but you can protest what you want on the
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internet i think i'm sorry madam should have an informed opinion before you express an opinion i hope informed opinion people are being jailed for trivialities that wouldn't happen in america if you are pushing people. in places like going to route your book pushing back in russia being pushed back pushing back in light so peter peter doesn't have to say right now don't do this i'm type right now in minnesota indigenous people are being brutalized and beat mother train because they don't want to hype why through their territory that's going on right now in minnesota not alabama it's all over the country and the idea that people are being arrested in brutalized for trivial acts your speaker actually from london doesn't actually know what's going on in the united states well what about i do know what's going on and not. you but obviously don't. george can i say he's going to have classification of people being arrested i mean we've seen now that we have the protesters number
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of the protesters who took part in january the 6 have been 1 in jail for months now months without bail which is an unheard of thing i mean another you know people who have not been charged with any crimes of violence are actually being imprisoned and who have not been convicted of anything that's not permanent i mean you know with protesters so really you know which would function stop pointing fingers at others when you're falling short so badly at home ok well direction i think that the you can you know i need to know that i don't have them all right and then hang on hang on like let's go let's go to matt i said everyone would get equal time go ahead matt i hope this summer want them to rock because i'm stating them in which is to show that now america is not a perfect democracy but want the sim does not justify another the fact that sins of being committed in china does not make sins in america right you should be
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criticizing all tyrants all over but they are some tyrants of the great with an open fire and i think liberty and freedom can exist and we criticize thoughts and i think we shouldn't fall into this trap of of fake news some say that ukraine's government has a sphere and that's great and i know but it beats them that you might do sometimes thing again. it's because of conspiracy that very few people. if this trial is going to have any credibility start to look. at the facts that seem to be convenient to the various it's the oldest trick in the book to come up with alternative histories. that's been the history of all tyranny all over the world and there's a lot to be interrupted by it just because there are lag i hang on hang on we're almost out of time brian go ahead i mean there ok come on february 22nd there was
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an armed insurgent uprising that toppled the government the president got a call which fled for his life he would have been killed otherwise i mean the idea that this did not happen that the idea that it was a fake news i mean we can't we have whatever side you are you have to take actual reality for what it is the government where in the ukraine was a household by a workmate never by the united states by the cia by the national endowment for democracy this actually happened that it's not made up it's real it happened in the middle and the rest oh all right you guys great and i was a very interesting alternative history lesson that's all the time we have on my went on when he thanks to my guests and watching in london and in budapest and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time and remember prostate.
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