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i'm actually retired senior watching over lock down additional going underground all not by day known as the catastrophe 73 years after british occupied palestine turned into israel displacing hundreds of thousands of palestinians this in a week of unspeakable atrocities in the middle east fueled by arms sales from britain e.u. countries in the united states in part 2 we'll be speaking to jerusalem post correspondent verse from past in perspective the palestinian ambassador to the u.k. who sums all up joins me now from r.t. u.k. headquarters in london a massive thanks so much for coming on so i said it was not by day would your
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message of the residents of. that line gaza and jerusalem and the significance of not one day itself. the men message is that what happened in chipchura and jerusalem then has reached all over palestine and with every palestinian worldwide and 13000000 palestinians have risen. all of a sense of unity that has really brought us back to our long march towards freedom has really solidified our sense of unity the unity of our purpose and the unity of all suffering a godless where we are be it inside occupied that it is being inside the $48.00 areas being in the exile and that if usually comes we all face the same oppression by the same oppressor and therefore there is an unprecedented sense of unity among us that's number one number 2 what happened in 1988 the militias the jewish
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militias ability to evict people from their homes gunpoint should never be repeated again and this was the message from church of iraq. they were uprooted themselves and 14847 and they refused to face the same fate again and with them the people of palestine and with the millions of freedom loving people worldwide this is very inspiring and many of us believe that actually this is the final push we should go all the way enough is enough enough is enough this is the world i'm meeting everywhere this is the world i feel enough enough of subjugation of suffering a lot of disposition a lot of racism enough of this may not treatment of our people enough of sheer disregard of our basic rights of the nile wholesale denial of our rights right to move right on our property the right to vote all our rights of the private and you
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so even palestinians inside israel have rebelled they have been in the streets because every palestinian is affected by this mindset. the israeli mindset of supremacy of wanting to control the area of palestine from brevard to the sea of wanting to have a jewish absolute supremacist control we have done with that we have done with them today every single palestinian every one or every woman every man every young every child wants to go all the way until we had ourself of this illness called call amazing settler colonialism this illness which is apartheid as was described very recently by the international human rights watch organization very well respected even by the israeli human rights organization but selim that is no is a full fledged apartheid we must go all the way to rid ourselves of this ethnic cleansing campaign that has been relentless and started it started in 147 and 48
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and it has been ongoing it never stopped the day i was born in the refugee camp to the very south of gaza because my parents were forced to leave what we are saying no this will never be repeated again we will muscular because of the need that the name arguably and some people would say of israel would deny apartheid its up and say mahmoud abbas that stopping the vote in the council elections you know we're looking at pictures coming out from the occupied territories and from gaza very big difference in israel we see israeli jews hiding in properly facilitated shelters the palestinian authority got more to 4 times more than the marshall plan came to western europe after world war 2 where's all the money why is it the palestinian authority hasn't got helmets and flak jackets for its population in gaza and in the west bank or basic shelters for civilians if you're going to fire
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rockets you're going to defend your own population is this a complete failure of the palestinian authority. well the palestinian authority is not in control of gaza as you know very well and i don't i didn't like the way you framed this question marshall plan no no no this is wrong you got your numbers wrong the money we got has gotten into infrastructure major infrastructure schools hospitals roads that israel usually destroys and the world comes back and cries of israel and shouts as well but never with action and consequences so israel does if they get and again and again we build the electricity plant in gaza and the 1st thing is really army does bombarding the electricity generator we build an empire in gaza they destroy it except etc so i know but it's not invent because you know the israeli occupation as never taking care of all people negligence in the
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street over your creation and the sphere of health but today because we have one of the most educated nation on earth one of the most educated you wolf on earth you know or a little silly it is near 0 it is 0 you know or per capita ph d. is among the highest in the world if not the highest actually and that's that that investment in the human capital is what have allowed us to do what we have done over the years but particularly you know what happened and she juggle how proud i am whole problem we are of our youth today speaking all languages conveying our message to the world steadfast thing and their homes educating all of us inspiring all of us so no it hasn't gone in vain my friend this is a long journey i mean honestly the the using the using rocks using rocks and if you are supposed to believe it is one to believe human rights watch and it's apartheid i think that nelson mandela and his military wing of the a.n.c.
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had more than rocks to fight the apartheid regime of of south africa i mean maybe you think i was talking israeli talking points on as well. god where all the money is the the implied corruption of the palestinian authority you were on the b.b.c. the israeli counterpart you debated with she hasn't been able to come on this program what's it like defending palestine during this conflict in the past few days it's there and out of my life nothing makes me feel a sense of satisfaction more than trying my best to speak on behalf of our people people that have been struggling for 100 years of people who have been fought not only by israel but actually by complacent international media international system superpowers starting from the u.k. britain that has issued the bell for the collation 103 years ago promising our land to another people without even consulting us that that the colonial colonial
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arrogance and the ending would be us that supports israel in every sphere keeps putting israel above the law making israel enjoy an absolute culture of impunity and that's why it is and continue doing it if you have given i mean if i was to if i was to fake as it were if i was to fake as it were being a british broadcasting corporation a reporter i used to work work there i'd say it's hamas they're sending the rockets that's why we're seeing the pictures of dead children right now this is just retaliation against military people in gaza. how do you do your spawn do that daily as you do the t.v. studios. i would telling him as i just did now on sky news before i came to you that they have got to stop this reduction to stop roach the old was thought from palestinian reactions that rather than israeli action which always starts the fall like happened in jerusalem the evictions in ships are are distorting overlock some more sqlite in the height of the holiest month of ramadan and lit it and other of
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the holiest nights they keep that aside they leave it aside why why do you think they didn't because because much of the narrative has been fed by israeli machine unfortunately and the international media is either complacent or complicit you choose the word and then the old was important this negative and they bring it all way and we are challenging this we are saying stop using like 2 sides and there are 2 sides what 2 sides there is only one sign that is one government in full control of then thought area of the thought of people under occupation the government happen to have the strongest army in the region a nuclear power except accept us or stop saying 2 sides and please stop saying confrontations and all 'd that confrontation between flash who i teach says lash their dance class. and clashes and what have you and all this logic about the conflict between hamas and israel is a way to just say that this is
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a security issue issue this is the israeli not if that israeli security is being threatened this is not about the mothers this is not about the families that have been effected 3 or 4 times and their lives by the system of control called israel by this freakish colonial sucked out of. if nicklin singh system it's about it's a it's a fight between hamas and king no i mean it's have what has us not have the palestinians got enough weapons because you have no iron dome obviously against the israeli f. 35 and 15 war plane aircraft i mean as neighbors. possible land invasion of gaza let alone what they're doing in jerusalem do they have enough weapons the palestinians. we will never ever we don't need weapons as and as a military weapons were friend and room i thought how much we try to do so we will not much is i mean israel is is a state inside the norm you are fighting the us all the way in the military sense
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so you know our main weapon is the more oddity of our cause is the high moral ground or our main weapon is our people who are willing to stand in the streets peacefully and diminished it in masses like they did only the last few days and every single city and every single village in every single town not only in the occupied territories but inside the $948.00 areas in such. remembers remembers of the or a resemblance of the 1st intifada so this is a moment of the finance and i believe a nation with such righteous demands and with such clear legal spanish and with ought to actually achieve its goals so i don't think we should go the route of competing in. army we should compete and making sure that this army is dismantled via on our own insistence as
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a nation via peaceful popular international means and have been for decades in the current escalation of conflict joe biden obviously said this is how most condemning them as for the rockets dominic grab here in britain i'm not sure whether a someone new to the foreign office for what you're saying right now because only grabs as this is. indiscriminately killing israelis what's your message to the british government boris johnson the government. well the message has been very clear that violence must be condemned right across the board and we are 2nd thoughts are you condemn us. we are sick and tired of western governments quick to condemn anything that has to do with israel not condemning the loss of lives in palestine as if palestinians do not matter but isn't it true is it true that the palestinian authority is more against them us then it is against netanyahu
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and his now very unified political class i don't know what to tell you really you are ought to go back to palestine now and see the sense of unity you ought to listen back to what the president say the speech given full support or people in gaza in jerusalem and everywhere you want to listen to hamas leaders and spokespeople you know lead all over saying that there has never been such a sense of togetherness and unity so let's let's encourage this my for i'm not trying to devise a rule of these men just finally then will you all together die you know that there has been officials from israel talking about wiping out the palestinians now they have the f. $35.00 is biden may be sending another $9000000000.00 worth of weapons britain. hundreds of millions of weapons from britain. are going to be wiped out.
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well they've tried to wipe us out 74 years ago already in 1988 the plan was that we're going to just vanish but we did it without a very weird with the society with our ancient nation you know we produced almost every profit from prophet. jesus was born in bethlehem and so forth. we want to nation it is very well known for its ability to withstand its ability to survive the resilience of the brilliance the in a new or old a time israel is not the 1st invasion as though it is not the 1st colonized that under seizure we have had many of those and in the end it's we would have men and is there more leaf well he mubarak ambassador thank you and now after the break i'll be speaking to a jerusalem post correspondent to hear the israeli side of the argument.
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join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm showbusiness i'll see you then. welcome back in the 1st half we heard from the palestinian ambassador to the u.k. was i was almost to accuse israel of apartheid and war crimes joining me for an israeli perspective is jerusalem post correspondent and author jeremy ball but thanks so much unified coming on just to give me some personal recollections of what kind of thing has been going on this week from your perspective. first of all myself and my family we have a safe room that we've had to run into a number of times over the course of the week so that could be in the middle of the
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night and we grab or kids out of their beds and run off into the city from there got 90 seconds to get there and as long as we get to the safe room most of the most of the time we should be ok obviously there's also a different perspective which is the geopolitical perspective big questions being asked in the e.u. sunny the international community u.n. security council members russia and china i mean what do you make of the fact that people are saying how is it ok if the. army officials minutes individuals are i mean civilians how is it ok to have really bombard an area where there are civilians. well i have to turn the question over how is it ok for hamas to fire rockets missed civilians they had a manual which is really intelligence grabbed in 2014 which explained how they were systematically purposely planting all of their command centers their rockets everything around civilians it was a new level until then there'd been some groups that sometimes did something like
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that but they were doing it systematically so look israel is ready to make peace or has come close to making peace with the palestinians in the west bank the palestinian authority multiple times in 200-2000 some 2 dozen 8 there was arguments about a couple percentage points of the west bank you know would you which are 90 percent 95 percent that something was 70 percent but those are negotiations to try to reach a resolution to come out and hezbollah in lebanon are not interested in a resolution so when there is no negotiation the only thing you can do is try to deter somebody who may come us to not fire rockets at you doing a plan i mean i'm not even to go back to how israel funded the creation of hamas using u.s. taxpayer money arguably the point is how does it deter further attacks to further the. basically make an entire generation of palestinian children more militant in their hatred for the state of israel because they're seeing what the missiles are
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doing to their families. i don't think fighting is a resolution i think there's going to have to be a diplomatic solution at some point but wait for that to happen you have to see hamas adopt the international plan a blanket palestinian authority to return to gaza take over the crossings take over certain aspects of handling international funds and combine their security forces in a way that even if nobody has said accept israel's existence you know forever but except be oslo accords sort of with the formula that people talk about in a couple of times almost happen and hamas hasn't been ready to do that because they won the cup and i mean or israel because it's obviously having said lose the. foot of the land but in any event why would they do that given the masses the democratically elected government of gaza and obviously firmly opposed to the palestinian authorities canceling of elections and basically the polls show that 52
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percent maybe more favor of the armed struggle now against israel look for still i'm not going to say that anybody is completely clean here ok i think israel has definitely made mistakes also but the question is is there a party on the other side in the west bank to talk to yes there is is there really a part of talks in gaza i don't know until now we haven't gotten to that point so what does israel do then if there is nobody really to talk to to get to an agreement occur you know or it's a 10 year ceasefire or something like that what they'll children. no ok so much. israel is on the cutting edge in terms of warnings it's called build it drops flyers it even does a special cutting edge proof knocking that didn't mechanism where the chopper rocketed doesn't explode to make a loud noise that doesn't kill anyone to scare people to leave that's what israel does the united states a number of european countries their militaries have complimented and copied
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israeli tactics in other places when it comes to trying to get civilians out some of what you have is on one hand israel tries to worm house in civilians is a perfect absolutely not effectiveness of that is told in the story of the casualty figures over this week the has just proportionality of number of civilians killed in gaza this is jerusalem surely i mean i am dome i mean i remember the law is arguable lies told during gulf war one about patriot missiles or a thing would happen do i and oh it's useless relatively useless that's why these israelis are dying. so iron dome i definitely wouldn't call it useless but hamas has succeeded in penetrating it more now that it didn't do doesn't work same it's basically a large medical mass rockets don't make it into israel from what do you make it into israel near. you know an actual urban area about 85 to 90 percent get shot down but if you can shoot a 100 or 130 rockets in minutes at
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a particular city then 5 or 10 percent getting through is going to be a larger number and that's what led to more casualties already this time in only a few days on the civilian side been had in all of 2014 so i think iron dome is effective but it's not hermetic and the same way that israeli defense forces has improved the capabilities in locating some of hamas as top officials some of it some of which have been killed over the course of the week some us improve its capabilities at shooting rockets that show israeli civilians much more effectively . i mean this all happened a few days after human rights watch issued a report saying israel commits crimes against humanity of apartheid and i think we both know nelson mandela justify the armed struggle and the killing of civilians against the apartheid regime of south africa backed by britain what would you make of that human rights watch report you are you're basically
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a white south african. talking to be right now. well the ethiopian israelis the moroccan israelis and you know the half or more israelis who aren't you know white would certainly differ with you on that but put that on the side if human rights watch oprah report specifically says this is not south africa and it doesn't need to be south africa to try to accuse of apartheid in some sort of legal sense now i don't agree with them on that what i do want to say is that i think and i work as a journalist both with several human rights groups. in the human rights watch i work you know with with the i.d.f. and i talk to both sides and i think there is a place for human rights and geos to encourage both sides to be a little bit more careful and to think harder when they're using course about how they use force the apartheid allegation itself i think is nonsense and the reason it's nonsense is all you need to look is months or abbas he's the head of the party
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and he's probably going to help establish the next government which will replace benjamin netanyahu as prime minister because it's possible in israel because they're israeli arab supreme court justices their israeli arab knesset members they're israeli arabs in most areas you know senior officials now is everything perfect in his or absolutely not you can see that from be from the rioting the civil war he said no i wouldn't i wouldn't call it a civil war and i think you'll see that in the coming days that'll come under control faster and the situation between israel and hamas but so i wouldn't i wouldn't no country is perfect you know in the united states israel none of them are perfect britain is not in violation of more than $100.00 u.n. via resolutions that the u.n. security council resolutions britain is not in violation of resolutions and so that's a lot like israel got to britain and israel surely there are organizations within
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the u.n. which are fair minded to israel. you know there are parts of the u.n. which are not fair minded israel have been more un resolutions against israel in some cases than against north korea and against iran and if you ask european countries and most democracies who is more democratic who treats their minorities better they would all well admit that israel is a democracy israel does treat its minorities better when they have a critique of israel absolutely and i don't i don't say that israel is perfect i do think that you have to look again at the overall context that when you're in a situation where we're in the 4th war with gaza in 12 years that creates this additional level of friction that maybe you don't have to worry about in england but there are look there's a lot going on in the united states right now that's been a lot rougher i mean obviously black eyes matter is something that we do cover on this show but 50 percent of the population of gaza are children and warplanes of the israeli have was dropping bombs on it and when you say protecting minorities i
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mean over 50 percent of israelis have been fully vaccinated against grow as one percent of palestinians as the occupying power just on that basis only fools who. so so let me let's also distinguish again we have the israeli arab part israeli arab citizens in israel of which there is close to $2000000.00 and we have the palestinians are israeli arabs and israel are being vaccinated in a higher rates than most of the world right that is another proof that israel is not a racist country is not an apartheid country its citizens whether they are jewish or arab are being vaccinated much higher rates then basically the whole world ok now the palestinians have also gotten vaccination on a personal level what i would like to see israel to have moved along a little bit faster probably but what i want to quote anthony blinken secretary of state of the united states who was interviewed recently i believe by an investor no less than asked him how come you haven't moved faster to share your vaccines with
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other countries and he said look every country is going to vaccinate its own citizens 1st and then start to work on other people and when you add into that become plea cations of the relation between is on the palestinian authority it's not so simple but israel has offered actually asians to the palestinians all of the $100000.00 or so callous things that work in israel have been vaccinated there been additional vaccinations beyond that and i think there will be even more going into the future. there's so many dimensions to this as the i.c.c. which we could do a whole program on you've written a book a raid on the red sea the israeli capture of the career that i mean. are targeting the dimona nuclear weapons factory in the negev desert this week i don't know using the using the context of your book that you coauthored. what is the danger to the way the middle east from a strike on the dimona nuclear weapons factory. so i mean specifically dimona is
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where after say courting to foreign sources because we're under these really censor here that's where the nuclear program is. and if rockets were to get through you know it could cause all kinds of nuclear waste and problematic situations i think people think it's very unlikely the understanding is iron dome defense is very very strong around dimona. but look it's a bit is it there's a larger picture here and you know when we talk about my book we talk about iran and iran is even though when you were talking about come out there's also islamic jihad and they are an iranian proxy and come out even though they're not a straight iranian proxy right there sunni iran a cia they sometimes quietly and something very publicly are working together a lot of the rockets are coming from iran where the rockets have been trained in iran or the money for it goes from iran so go all the way back to the caribbean 2001 that was the 1st time iran tried to bring 50 tons of rockets and other weapons
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smuggled into gaza when they could've hit the israeli home front with no iron dome to defend. and now here we are 20 years later and it's still going on in the masses much stronger in terms of the rockets so this is a problem when we come back to what you said we need a diplomatic solution right now i think israel wants to return in a deterrence level with them out so that they won't shoot rockets at our civilians and so that israel won't have to bomb is a hamas militants who are purposely east putting themselves next to gaza and civilians and then we need to get back to a diplomatic solution you know that's my personal view you know gerry bob thank you that's if the show will be back on monday when we speak to the co-creator of the oaks what astra zeneca coronavirus maxine 47 has a day india now in the headlines good numbers of deaths that's an agent it's supposed to weapons.
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a new gold rush is underway and gonna thousands of ill equipped workers are flocking to the gold fields hoping to strike it rich here's the good. as they are our children are torn between gold and education was very poor i thought i was doing my best to get back to school which side will have the strongest appeal. the end of the spanish empire the end of the british empire the end of the roman empire and. similarities and differences but the. talk about the rise of one nation in this case and the fall of the ruling at the time the united states we've got all those kinds of things happening right now the people who are least informed about this are the americans themselves because. it's
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not in their interest to actually. consider to be expendable. police 10 people are killed including children in a missile strike on a densely populated refugee camp there are fears could still be. on the. debris. that used to be the house of family. is really missing also tower block in a city where international media outlets are based there are no reports of casualties reportedly evacuated.


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