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the good luck on the none of my new middle charges on the news. i'm action redundancy. we're going underground, exposing the truce, the so called mainstream media. don't want you to find out coming up in the show after the alleged us back, who in bolivia and continued, you get us attempts to overthrow the government of venezuela. what is going on in cuba? and why is nature nation media promoting the children of those who abandoned fidel
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castro's revolution and arguably the best universal health care in the hemisphere? we speak to an advisor to the bolivian government and of the un publish a damning revolt into the state of global food insecurity. we ask the chief economist for the us food and agriculture organization, whether only revolution going to end world hunger to cove. it all the more coming out today is going underground. director all of a stone told us last week, how predictable it is for us president to go on the record and support forces trying to overthrow the cuban government. adding to joe biden was the mayor of miami. you appear to advocate us coalition air strikes against the island, famous for being the flash point that nearly led to the end of the world. someone who knows about nature nation interference in the so called backyard is professor diego on the cano advisor to be uncovered bolivian president luis house. he joins me from london. diego, thanks so much for coming on. your 1st the reaction to this, why you're in london. so you can see that coverage, some of it bizarrely from miami, present the of,
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of those opposed to the cuban revolution. what was mean your reaction? it wasn't long ago. they were saying because during co with is the food security, there's 5000 the doctors. cuba is sending to 40 countries and now suddenly cube has finished the revolutions over thank you for having me. first of all, yes, good to be here in london where? yes, i can see that coverage of international news has shifted. i think it's a bit different from what it was a few years ago. and i think sometimes there's not enough perspectives from the south, especially in america and in terms of cuba. so historic change that's happening. blue bolivia, brazil, chilly. have all looked up to cuba in many ways as a leader of the revolution and none of the events and phenomena, movements, and in america that are occurring now would happen without the leadership of cuba historically. so we are very anxious to see what is going to happen in cuba. i
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think there's the bar was the major or the major reason for the crisis in cuba, historically in the last few decades. but i think we also have to admit that the human economic model has failed to a significant extent to for some people in and inside cuba. and we have to be a little bit self critical as well. and maybe to see what other pathways are to get out of that more asked, in a sense, i think what's happening in south america on the left will be possible avenue for change and improvement in cuba as well. because we cannot transition towards, for example, green energy there are there happening and chill a bolivia, argentina in terms of lithium for example here. what i actually weighed, i'll get to lithium in a 2nd. but you mentioned those other countries. and of course, you're referring to to us in bolivia, maybe the return of lula in bolivia, in brazil, the latin american superpower in next year. you don't think washington is looking
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at that very closely. the fact that this so called return to the pink tide is going to help cuba let alone all those countries and washington has to exert something more muscular to use a terrible germ about lib liberal intervention. i mean, you, that miami may are saying as strikes and needed like yugoslavia thought, inconceivable. i mean, we know that this has happened in many countries and as well recently, i think it's possible they might be more and more still intervention. there was also for the case of the mercenaries in haiti recently and, and also in bolivia last year with some of that was covered just recently by the intercept. so as told and that's not impossible. and i think us is really make a mistake in still to get a hard line stance towards a lot of these progressive governments and america, by insisting on the language of discourse, human rights,
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et cetera. when in fact some of what's happening and let the american always is really not the violation of human rights, it's actually progressive movements and ideas that ought to be given the respect they deserve sovereign countries. so definitely the us taking no, of course the trumpet instruction was it was worse, but i think even with biting, we see again, it's going to moralizing view that in the end, hurts both sides most in america. and i think in the long run, heard us american interests as well echoed in the so called mainstream media, or are they chastened by the fact they fail to overthrow the venezuelan government? i mean, one guy who has been to london in downing street with boris johnson bars, johnson is explicit that he wants the over the role of the current venezuela government. yes, and again, this is something that even in the u. s. i would say 1st of all of us tend to ignore or look in america and, and that's a big mistake. obviously there's the immigration test will be the major reason why
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we'll talk about a lot in america and in the u. s. and there's a lack of economic integration, cultural integration. the whole idea of the us is exceptional and different. i think that's, that's a major law of the thinking of some understanding of americans when in fact the us has a lot of commonalities with latin america as a post colonial society with racial divisions and diversity in the presidential system. so all these similarities ought to be emphasized as opposed to being minimized and, and so that, that creates a risks. and this is reflected in foreign policy. i think the u. s. has to take a much more self reflective perspective and to change its position, but definitely buying a sort of more muslims progression is always on the table when it comes to american foreign policy. so we have to be very aware of that. and i think the only way that i can stop is by pressuring from outside and from within,
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i think to people like bernie sanders and others who are more progressive might be able to persuade president body to take the road. but what, i'm sure, you know, i'm not sure how often they, they meet in spanish. i mean, you're an expert on lithium. what do you say to the bolivian president incumbent luis us about lithium? i mean, you heard a lot musk, a pioneer of electric cars powered on lithium. we all carry lithium in our mobile phones. in almost said we will, qu, whoever we want to know, evidence that he was behind the janine and he has us back. who would, i mean, how, how do you advise louise us to run bolivia in the face of one of the riches people are not saying we can qu, he won't. so that was a very controversial estate, i think, ultimately does mainly self promotion for only moscow. just to get and get into news and to say something provocative. there hasn't been anything directly involved
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in linking him to the cool. but this kind of off the cuff cowboys, kind of the statement i think is real dangerous because that has created a lot of animosity in bolivia towards the us and towards american companies. i think it's possible to repair that damage if you have an alternative kind of been your interpreter leadership within the us who are going to respect bolivia laws and the bullying people and come to work with bolivia as partners. and so one thing i advise the lease says that he can, he should wor, work with anybody. it could be china, russia, the u. k. in the us. but they have to respect the laws and the people in bolivia that's, that's a 1st thing. and they have to have some idea of war, believe what's the history the, what's the indigenous community, what are the weather like? you can just come in and take the lithium. so i think which is very much open to working with anybody as long as they respect the fact that it's a national national resources it's,
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it's not gonna be privatized. but companies can come in and work to help extract the lithium and commercialize it until it in the best way that will help bolivia minimized and also for her team, but also improve its position geopolitically. and it's such a big resource resource and believe it just so you need a beautiful lake and you know, which should be protected, of course, for environmental tourism reasons, but it's extremely large. and so it's kind of a win win situation for the world. you know, the whole world is for sure to green energy, and bolivia is gonna be key. the crucial elements and in this transition. so it has to be done in a way that respect the sovereignty of bolivia and defy they can all be privatized. past efforts, additional gas and water in bolivia which lead to basically the rise of mono more or less the american oil. just have to learn from that and avoid the stop going to be insisting on that. so i think it's possible to do that. i think with us that we have a more pragmatic technocratic approach to politics over the left. and i think again,
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any negotiation with technocratic, usually rings on alarm bells in latin america. we can see what happened to ecuador, but i mean, even in the past few days, nescafe is reportedly worried about your new state owned coffee initiatives. the europe in union did not back morale as is allegations that there will be in the u. s. bag coo and now it's condemning the detention of this alleged d. c. washington proxy. janine, on the, as i mean, i'm the catholic church as well. i think is condemning it. i mean, do you not tell the president the no country with resources that internationally desired in the global south last long? well, i mean, we're hoping that that's not always going to be the case. so we can, we can be for the listing. i think we have to think that maybe this is the one time they're going to change history. of course, historically,
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right. this is happened all over the world from iran to cuba, to julia tara, but i think we're to be optimistic. i think we have to be talking craddick, men who start as work meant privatization meant more, more free markets. but the way that we started approaching it is, yes, we can be, have socialist countries, navigating a world capital markets to its own benefit. and perhaps from their most blogs in which it's going to corporate and acquire more sovereignty and to be able to deal with the major countries are much more equal playing field. how prepared is government for the onslaught of so called mainstream meteor in nature, nations attacks on maybe you personally let alone the president let alone the currency, let alone, perhaps us back to a nato back terrorism, which we've seen in latin america over the decades. on this,
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especially worried about what happened last year with mercenary is coming from the us and that was stopped. i mean, this is something that came last year was recently we were reported by the intercept on the guardian and cetera. but this can happen at any moment. it's again, we need all allies within the u. s. within america to help us communicate better. i think it's the risk that we have to take, but very rarely do we have such resources like lithium, for example, that can be transformative for, for bolivia. and it has to be managed in a way that will provide health and education for everybody. and it should not be for a benefit, for particular regional bolivia, it has to be for everybody. so i think it's, it's a difficult process on this test, but we have to be optimistic. there's another alternative. and i think again probably have partners from anywhere in the world, but insisting that we have to be equal partners who cannot be simply giving away the resources and the media on the, in the us basically,
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we were non existent in america space, a non existence of america, especially especially mainstream media, so i doubt that's going to change. so it's really important to have alternative sources of information. and so that's something that we need to keep building. and to again explain what is the bullet model. socialism is it's a different model from cuba. it's different from, from the previous cases, from it as well. it's not like a successful model during the period girls or at least 5 percent every year. it's a reduction poverty by more than 30 percent. so it's not the kind of popular socialism that we've seen before and many other countries. and i think it can be a sort of stone for the rest of the less when movements and let that america that we are seeing now, for example, the, the constituents, the nuclear station and for killing the protest in columbia. i think they are taking a cue from bolivia, they're learning from the national model, bolivia. it's a new model that people should know about. and it's something that can benefit
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again, many, many sectors of society and it's not just for one, industry, etc. so i think we have to do a good job in transitioning from gas to deliver them. so that's a general strategy i'm thinking to advise president are so on what kind of thank you. thank you very much player. after the break from sanctions to was to climate change, we ask the chief economist of the us, food and agriculture organization. if the goal of ending world hunger by 2013 as possible at all in the face of us, germany, all the small coming up about 2 of going undergrad, russian president vladimir putin as spend a long article on russia and ukraine. to say it is a book, a lot of response also so long angela murphy, germany long serving chancellor. what will be her last
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one to make sure, you know board is blind. number t's as emerge. we have with the lead on the back seen the whole world leads to take action and be ready. people are judge. 2 governors crisis we can do better, we should be better. everyone is contributing each of their own way. but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenges for the response has been massive. so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we need together in the welcome back and part one we looked at the effect of us sanctions,
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joint global pandemic on cuba and latin america. well, today a report is published by the un on the state of food security in nutrition in the world. but is there any chance of achieving the goal of eliminating world hunger by 2030 in the face of us sanctions and was in the extractive nature of global capital . joining me from room is the chief economist of you and food and agriculture organization maximo, to rarer who co authored the report. thank you so much. maxima for coming on here in london were treated to pictures on so called mainstream media. richard branson, billionaires going to space? the u. s. fed says american households at 13 trillion to their savings, the u. k. resolution foundation. say 7800 pounds richer. the house phone is got here in london. your report. 800000000 not being able to feed themselves. yeah. is that i think the 1000000 people more than in 2019 groaning and the
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noise. so iteration is hugely challenging. but that does not mean that we don't have a beginning. and that's what we try to rethink this report. so everybody's trying to bring up their numbers and especially on trying to show. busy they exacerbation of the drivers which are normally climate conflict, the slow down and down terms of 19 how that's what the situation in one of the highest spike in the last 2 decades of, of increase of clinic and nourishment in the world. exactly. there are recommendations. it's not just, oh, they're all these people that would be more impoverished by corona virus. would you say that loans paid to the debt pre payments to the i m f. and so one of contributed as well. no, no i think what, what we are facing and acceleration because because of we my team, he's basically because of the log down not so long time period. ringback has been
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extended for a new computer and that has correlate on, on the, on the go on therefore, under the session economy position. so that economy has created up roll him off after people don't having enough income to be able to support. so that's the challenge we're facing right now, and that is clearly reflected in the numbers we were observing. now in the numbers we're looking at also, we see that there are some prices and that is also linked to your your initial belongs latin america, which is mostly middle high income country. is one of the reasons which is the most effective. and the reason for this is because the america is usually an informal economy, 55.2 percent. in average countries go up to 70 percent looking formality like now during an informal economy where you don't have access to health insurance, you don't have access to unemployment insurance. and you don't have access to those acuity and economy low flow. in some countries more than a year, then all these informal economy, economy activities,
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and therefore before the middle class, now you have become in poverty and an enormous people because they don't have access to cash anymore because they don't have any going to be. so it has, i think it all the world. so it's more than just because of the payment of loans you some more complex problem. of course, there is the driver's structural drivers. i went over there and these were the ones that was referring before climate change. conflicts, most of the code for the emergency are in conflict barriers in africa and also a lot on sundown. those multi affecting is low down and down. yeah, i want to explore some of those issues of conflict in a moment, but britain obviously has had the greater numbers at food banks. we've had campaigns by football, markers, rash were to be able to retain free school meals as regards food insecurity in britain. why so little about countries like britain, which is facing food insecurity level in the united states, where tonight,
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what $40000000.00 more than $40000000.00 because of go with will not be able to eat without handouts from the u. s. government. yeah, but that one of those countries is that they are formal. it is same as the economy is stopped because of their locked down, but employees still get their unemployment insurance. and when they are over the years of unemployment insurance, they will get. so there's a good, which is no it under real income, but it will get resources in informally. you don't have them. ok. on the other hand, you gay and others have been able to mobilize, their full band comes on to be able to substitute. they affect of the closures of the schools where it gets used to me, but that has not been enough, although the depletion in those countries is not a romantic other situation where facing the nature of asia, africa, and america. now countries like, for example, now we're able to expand their cash transfer program anonymously. you will see that
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today, official numbers show that. busy they have been being reviewed as the, as a result of the 19 but it will look at putting security increase. why did you sell enough? again, it's another important thing for the economy, which in brazil were partially middle classic women. and which are the theater, eating their conditions in terms of hire, not just moving into poverty. and because transfers were only targeted to put it through the cash transfer program that he had in place, they didn't have the fact the newport curity that were more barrier when and people that weren't know what else, of course you're ready. but it, because of the informality that'd be in effect so that those point between putting security on the effect of funds for programs which shows that also targeting has been a problem in the policy being implemented. so you want to recommend to those countries where the most people are starving systems of food distribution and health insurance. i presume you don't necessarily mean private health insurance and social
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care insurance. you want to recommend to those countries? what is obviously failing in the richer countries? no, i don't know what i am saying is that there are 2. we're going to want to take into account 1st. i think that you need to have better data. and we were claiming for the, for the beginning of the call, we may be that we need to embed in week, sorry to be able to find a new hot spot of wooden security. because clearly, there was not a typical problem affecting only the poorest of the poor. he was going to create a significant new, a new hot spots up with the security. and that's something that can be done. we did for several countries in africa and we're able to support governments. and the 2nd number that i am saying is that we need to find in the solutions, the reviews for money. for example, sometimes it's like it's a video. they chose the options of label relation, which is more adjustable to that knowledge of the country. if you make the legislation more flexible and formalize those people taking into account that this
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analogy, you can feel they're working calendar and therefore you can give them. so they can repeat, you can give them feature. so those are the things that which will be discussing trans private public doesn't have an issue. and we need to learn from best practices around the world. some would say that that's key actually the public private debate. what about the effect of us sanctions? because we heard earlier about the effect on cuba more than 30 countries, the united states sanctions, britain, sanctions, various countries were not following the washington consensus that increased hunger juris, encoded the continuing sanction, say against venezuela or iran. and so on. so i will indicate, oh, let me separate. the 2 types of partners. one is it will look up around q and we look around $84.00. in the case of katie, which $28.00, a huge political crisis because of the nation of the pricing. but katie had more than 50 percent of their population already on chronic under nurses. and these have
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been exacerbated even more and political and really making things worse in because we look at the island estate's q, for example, q up before because we didn't have pieces of the nourishment. it was already. busy there was no 100 you ok, he apparently now have shown signs of problems. 30 percent of what they think that they don't have access to currency and they are starting to face cars, which has been in some political problems. so for sure, there are some political context of the thinking them and avoiding them to have that paper back to the currency they. ready need to measure sanctions, they're going to say at all, i wonder about israel restrictions are movement in palestine. how did you come to the conclusion? the restrictions on movement of people and goods are affecting food security for
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children in palestine. know that they access it and they have a lovely so they are not wanting to access, which i was reverend before, which is if i have enough income to be able to get it. but if you have enough ink and you have some income and you don't have a legal foot, that's a big problem. and that's where restrictions are. mobility are great and they cut the rates dissipation even more. because then the price is given to start with the increased mobility, sandra, and that is also a shop trade versus a lot of other things which have been because a lot of our position is trading offense. so you move foot from one location to where there is no foot, you bring throat from other locations internationally and even within the same country. and obviously, sanctions can me to the stoppage of trade and food insecurity. i think that's the kind of obvious you talk about conflict time and time again in this report. the importance of conflict join cove. it, do you think it helped when joe biden bombed syria and iraq just in the past few
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weeks that help foods insecurity. israel, of course has been bobbing syrian high. you have a yeah, i got referred to as we have and we showing the report is that confusing conflict like german and other countries in conflict. they accelerate even more than the nourishment. so where we saw in the report is that when you have company and you have another driver that's like like a low downs and others, which company for sure will grade that your situation is the fact that right the remote. so again, it's important because conflict is one of the major drivers of the courses, which i put great because right now. so why didn't you recommend any recommendation list the end of the arms trade with britain, of course is supplying weaponry falling on yemen. you have a big sectional in yemen. why is that not your, these are report better elements integrating money in development and building 40 actually mean? yeah, but it is not that report about about arms and he's not that report about the
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results and report looking at what we can do in our experience when we work in conflict on we can find mechanisms through linking food and trying to increase where we can have these concepts which are because of all the political reasons in a complex situation. and you definitely expect 5 to 7000000 more children with stunted growth by the food insecurity situation exacerbated by corona virus, and people wasting up to 40000000 more. what do you mean? wasting 40000000 more in 20202030. so there will be a significant increase of those 2 indicators which are on the nourishment indicators. and that's why we need to try to tackle and try to reverse. so chronic and the nurse, meaning one dimension way seen is when you have a role him or for age or weight for, for age. so, so we need to look at those other indicators because then you want to look at all the forms of an orange minimum. and we're just finally, is it difficult being there at the f a o, what's
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a criticism to your face when you come up with reports like this? you are at the well, bank yourself so often blamed by many in the global south are creating the food insecurity that you write of in this report. no, i think there are 2 different impacts of the world bank, the money lending institution for development. my job there was to work on the board and trying to facilitate and res lending so that we can reduce forward the way the young here is a different job is trying to bring everything and availability of information so that we can support companies to change their policies to reduce that hunger. so, but that requires a lot of my friends and information and that's what the report tries to bring. we are very open in the information we provide. we are technically on base and we make all our data. so we are one of the institutions where all the data that we publish, i think on level is made public and people can the lowest and use it through ours. but so i think that's a good role because we have to validate the data that we analyze and we call it and
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we normally have one program, what i want indicate. so i think we've come up with a set of information that has, that was understand that brought their faith and hope that we can create a formation and change what we want in, if you do at this point, maxima, terah, thank you. a pleasure, massive for the show will be back on wednesday. i had a meeting in italy of g, 20 environment in energy ministers with the immediate future survival of humanity on the table until then keep in touch with social media and let us know what you think or who you think is to blame for food and security in cuba, the ah, [000:00:00;00]
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