and you are watching news use right here on our to america. let's get started. ah . following the rest president jacob, do my south africa erupt into lethal protests that have killed more than 200 people in the streets. now, over the weekend civil unrest over to book the seaside city of durban, as a citizens rush to defend their homes and business from the mob violence. now the south african government has deployed 25000 troops to assist local police forces in the streets. now, meanwhile, there is a humanitarian crisis, quickly engulfing much of the country as food and critical supplies run very scars . our kids policy layer has more from one city that's in dire straits. i'm here to small in the field in the town of black pan in south africa. everything you about

to witness has been organized by volunteers from the fee to medical supplies that are being brought to this a field loaded onto these flights to the pilots who have volunteered to take these items to other south african desperately in need. in the province of natal, we just individuals collecting food for people who need it, just doing it collectively. there's a need for for baby products, food baby formulas. so those are the essential items that we are focusing on. i'm about to get into this phase mckenna van. and it's full of goods being taken to people in south africa. ah, me, last week will be very busy. over the day, some other day, even the blood movies guys have an adult adf down, but the with no way to be any good. so good down. good,

but natal area from a different country but most of the jobs that i've been told that i use to live now with 2 local students who are offered to take us to the local mosque some way the food is being distributed. people have been coming here for hours and they've come from wide and for some people telling me that they've been in this key for 23 hours and people haven't eaten for days. you see the shove,

the empty after the looting, the shop loving only a certain amount of time, people are pending. bang and there's nothing left phase, no job. so money that has been no contracts, nothing. it is nothing list. so you came for nothing. nothing is that the place we came to for nothing. when was about 3 days ago, is this the worst being was? there was also the never the violence and looting seems to be over for now. but the hunger and impact that it left in its wake is going to be felt for quite some time. call it clear, our team turban. thanks paula. you know our, to get closer look at the turmoil which is engulfing the streets of south africa. i'm drain out by i show off guard at the founder of champion south africa. shaw, thank you so much for joining us. is our thoughts and prayers. and our attention

has been on south africa these past few days. as you've been going through these trials, you know, i want to ask you how divided right now are the people in the street? so is it as simple as duma versus ram opposes supporters? no, i think it's it's have too much to suggest that people are divided that we would think of the american football team on opposite sides of the fence out in the streets. i think for the, for the majority of people in africa, they are united in being south african. they are united in one thing works best for their families. they are united in wanting food. they are united in 12 jobs. they may be divided some of them to be divided in certain strategies, but by and large, they've been united by you may have okay, well, what happened last week and we get to that in a 2nd. but i think overall is a country or 60000000 people is on different nuances, but the general sense of, of a nation. one thing,

what's best for the majority of the people of south africa for me remain cautious. i love that message of optimism and i hope that is true. it looks like it could be true because i think that's what every good person wants, regardless of what kind for you're in. but what did we see then last week? where was this divide? what made people, cuz what i saw was a lot of people are angry on the street, but then i saw this overwhelming ground for over the weekend. are people angry at the people in the streets that were destroying the property and the businesses does that accurate? well, you know, we don't have a lot of time but, but, but in a nutshell, i mean the actual divide is with the ruling party, the african national congress party of nelson mandela, which is very tough because yesterday was international mandela day. once again, if he's party that appears to be what appears is divided and as a result of these poppy being divided with the president and the full president and all supporters between the 2 and the ruling party. then as an inability to

effectively and this has been going on for, i think over a decade and that played out with the rest of the former president put the collection, but impactful content to the court. the collection case is still going to be heard . right. and there were protests against him being arrested. the 1st president arrested in a democratic south africa and the protest and spoke of interest, something else. now, it is whether people opportunistic it because of a poverty stricken. and it took advantage of the situation, or whether the site could, i don't really know the president of the country upfront, saying that there was a clear attempt was he call it in. so actually it was played on biased defense minister a couple of days later. in fact, i mean, he's kidding. there was an attack on the democracy of south africa, and therefore we need to defend our democracy. now those are the big things that we haven't heard, you know, what kind of 3? because the one thing that's because had a constitution in the world last part of the traditionally great bank,

great financial institutions. so we have no reason to be concerned that our democracy has been a crack in the 27 years. that's the credit for africa has been in existence. ok, so let's actually look at what was going on and around the saying this weekend that he would go after those that did lute those that did destroy property, and he would prosecute them. now i get it for 80 president in the country. i said you are going to have people that are unhappy with that. do you feel like that actually the folks is the current presence going to go through with his word and will there be repercussions for that? if people in some might say we were just expressing our anger at the situation being caused by the government, by what you're saying it. contented court, not necessarily a full trial has yet to be held. what? prosecute who so? so the 1st month is, if he said there's an insurrection, then you prosecute those who at the top of the games,

this all the interaction and that's a playoff. and that is a political, the teacher. but if it's true, you have to play that. if you don't play daughter undermined the democratic system, if he's talking about prosecuting the people who do to devastate to the city of data that we're talking about. thousands and thousands of people not cannot see that happening on the pictures. as i play out, as we talk now playing out, he's not going to prosecute the people, not at all. it's either the leadership if he believes that the link, but we have to pull the link. but the leadership in fight the people as part of the grant insurrection. now, we don't really know if it's actually true, because the prism itself is said that they were caught unawares. the parent just didn't know of that. so there's lots of things that in fact, this left them guessing and therefore less probably you and i also guessing in terms of what really happened in south africa a week ago. well, it's interesting to see some similarities of some of the news of, as has happened here in the united states. it's kind of replaying itself over in

south africa, real quick for i let you go. do you think any of the events over the weekend will have an impact on the actual trial itself? it ever gets there of zoom or no, i don't. i think they're trying to go ahead as normal because that's what that would expect if we want to maintain an independent judiciary and democracy, we cannot play down to the point of being emotion. labounty. i think the most important question beyond the trial is what now for africa country that's hosted around the world cup of people football cricket woke up and some of the major events in the family was accused that you would tend to link with with countries that are famine stricken what now for this country that essentially so on the one hand, an extremely rich country, but it's extremely well extreme poverty. and for me, the next question is we talk about it me dress when it comes to cold. 19 the has to be an economic redress in south africa to ensure that the majority of people of

this country, just as a faith in the democratic south africa. because the reality is 20 years into the ma, proceed. south africa township, which is called putting into locations as you would call it in south africa. so that's because so that's a good topic, right. all those locations don't the black locations look just like they were 27 years ago. that is not an issue that obviously people feel like they obviously are economically stable. they take care of the, the land that they're in. asha such a delight to talk to you. you can tell your love and pride for the country that you live in. and we will try to get to the future. thanks for joining. thank you. investigation by a global media consortium has revealed that malware developed by an israeli company has been used by a journalist,

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the, the, the, the, the, the business telling within the catholic church as a pope francis imposes restrictions on a traditional latin mass. so why the uproar, while our 2 correspond natasha suite has more on why traditionalists are less than thrilled. so francis is restricting the celebration of wanton mass in an attempt to unite the church, but many catholics remain split over the decision. i live for us here in the mine, you know, 2 weeks after surgery that removed a portion of his colin pope francis resumed his weekly appearances from a vatican window sunday. while the 84 year old sounded cheerful. one of his most recent decisions have brought about division in the church, but his goal is to bring believers together. just days before on friday put francis said he was researching celebration of the lots and mass. this was the church. it's

the standard form of worship until the $900.00 sixty's. also conservative catholics are outraged by the decision. the pope believes the move will unify the church. the pope said he made a quote from decision to immediately overturn from rollings in 2007 and 988 that liberalized the availability of the mass celebrated before 9970. in a letter of the pope. sure. the feeling he had for a need to intervene. now, traditional mass celebration will come under the discretion of the diocese in bishop. the bishop will also have authority over granting permission. who would like to celebrate the old mass? the bishop is to designate one or more locations where groups can gather to celebrate. however, it won't be allowed in parish churches document is also prohibiting in the erection of new personal parishes. some portrait of the latin mass are calling the pope's new restrictions harsh. however, supporters of the change agreed, the church culture is holding tradition and customs above worship. and while there may be a separation of church and state in the us politics seem to play

a role among american catholics, the latin mass is highly preferred among conservative catholics. well, liberal catholics tend to favor contemporary styles of prayer. now, when unifying the church as one bodies hummer, calling for clarification on the new rules and how they should be implemented, reporting produce the choose and how she sweeps r t to give us the 360 view of the pope's controversial decisions i'm drawing now by add martin present, associates, please eagles, and tim gordon, author of catholic republic, y. america will perish without room. thanks for joining me both. tim, since you're new, i'm going to. i'm going to 3rd 1st to you. i have to wonder why should church members or if they should be concerned by pope frances new decree? yes, the sincerity of the pontiff is what's under question. in the wake of tradition on his custodian. if pope francis is sincerely concerned by the radical

traditionalist who since the release of the nervous order, me say the new mass in 1969. if he wants to curtail the schismatic attitude of the radical traditionalists, he's not punishing them today because such schismatic. falk will just continue to celebrate the latin mass where and when they deem to the ones that he's punishing that, prove that he's not being sincere. in the doling out of this punishment are the obedient catholics who will actually follow the dictates of holy mother church as to when and where they can celebrate the mass. it's. it's the primary concern that all of us have, he's not doing as he's saying he's doing, he's punishing the ones who are already in imperfect union with holy mother church or was it as you know, that talk to various catholics over the years. there's obviously a hard one, some pub, some are controversial than the other. francis is very controversial. ed,

as you're looking at this move right now, what pope francis is doing one is it unexpectedly considering he does come for the jazz, so it will of the charge. but to is it what is going to be the long term effect besides just what we're dealing with today, what are you, what are you seeing? what are you concerned about about the future of the charged with this order? well listen for most of the viewers of this program, their memory will include john paul, the 2nd for decades as a controversial figure. by the way, just not in the church. in the same way. he was controversial because he took on communism and took on poverty and all kinds of things. and then cardinal rab singer became the pope, was a short period of time. the problem was pope francis, in my estimation, is he continually causes scandal. that's a term in the church. it means confusion amongst the faithful. what he did in this case, by the way, shouldn't last just no small p politics. who we empowered to have more say on the life of the church, directly is the bishop in each diocese who now gets to say whether anyone gets to do the latin mass,

any priest can say mass. and the problem for many of us is that this pope has appointed some of the most liberal bishops all over the world. people who believe in positions, especially on morality and politics, political morality that are really troubling on marriage, on abortion or other thing. so this pub continues to confuse the faithful and what the long term impact will be. when we put in political terms, what branching or did that then put the pope at the time was sign an executive order that said anybody wants to say the latin mass, any priest can go ahead. what this pope did was change the executive order and say no, it has to be, we only if you ask your bishop, the point here is that's an inside game. people are watching our capital, like what is this about? but catholics are confused and it's like when the pope said at one point, who am i to judge about homosexuality? and then a few years later he said gay marriage cannot be blessed because it's unnatural. these people p one side though, the rainbow flags are going off the vatican steps the next time they're condemning as a big it. and meanwhile,

we have joe biden promoting abortion from the white house. and we have the catholic bishops uncertain about whether they should be able to say that he is morally troubled, which he clearly is so that the legacy this pope today pro francis is confusion. but in the end, i'm not sure this is going to matter. as my colleague points out, the people will really hate this are outside of the church. the others are in and frankly praying for better bishops and for the next pope to be more sympathetic. and as you hit me on the head, why i thought importantly cover the story right here because there is such a strong base. it involves politics not only here in the united states, but around the world that the catholic church and those followers are behind. so it does have an impact and what is going on. i want to go back to you on tim, on this one. are you worried about any other traditions or churches being, are advocated and how does this the fact that millennials? because obviously, i think a lot of people are surprised right now. one of the biggest inundation of the catholic church are the young people who are actually embracing these kinds of traditions. so when you could do that and get them out there,

kind of left back out there where they were before they came to the church. there's no small amount of resign tomorrow on the part of the, the generation that gave us the nova sorta me say they thought that they were speaking on behalf as the box, popularly of all young people for evermore. it turns out young people, after the late sixties and early seventies, hate the kinds of changes that they made. young people, the eighty's, ninety's, 2000 want the tradition. and this makes men like pope francis and his cronies, the song gall and mafia. the group that gave us po francis in the last conclave of the cardinal it, very bitter. they're not happy about this. you also asked, what is the danger? what could be coming down the pike? the total abrogation of the latin mass, which i'm only happy to say, did not happen with to did see on is custodian. it just rolled back the positive changes made by benedict the 16th,

some more and pontifical made by eagle eye. and so the total abrogation is what we fear. it could be next. they essentially undid the inability of liberal bishops to disallow the latin mass. and what could be next is total abrogation of the latin mass everywhere. that's what we fear. low young people love it, and that's i think it's like the confusion. i don't want to toss it back to you on this and because you've worked with poses in the past, you understand how they go. a lot of concern said, you know, do you think it's dramatic of a decision being now? do you think this might foreshadow the pope soon possible recent illness and surgery? they've kind of putting in that last couple stabs. you could to a protocol that he wants to get rid of. well, i look, i think anybody who tries to guess when popes are going to go off or either pass away or move on or lose a losing battle. i will say this, like any other administration and i, i'm catholic, i want to be clear, i revere the church and i love the church and for people that aren't catholic they'll hear this and think, oh the i'm. that's why i don't like the church wiser administration. there's people

around this pope that have a lot of power and influence. and this is the kind of thing it feels to me like someone want it done. someone want it to happen and to cause this to have this thing to move forward. i fear lest the abrogation of a lot mass completely. but i do think we're seeing, you know, more liberal bishops in place. and i, when i say liberal, i don't mean only in a political sense in the american mindset, i mean on issues of marriage on issues of abortion, on issues of end of life and the impact about, you know, the social justice. you mentioned the jesuits, the jesuit order was leading on some of the worst socialist policies in latin america and other parts of the world. so we should be worried about that. and it feels to me like some of the people around pope francis wanting to do something because i just pointed out it wasn't all the way it was sort of a half measure. but it doesn't bode well in a certain sense. i, i pray for the church. well, tim ed, thanks for joining me. my biggest concern is this was something that actually united all countries all languages without it being gone,

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