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deliberately on the counting death, we hear from grieving families that as the us led coalition pulls out about, got to start. we speak the translators, who fear for their lives after being targeted by the taliban cross to getting away in just a few weeks time for those he was here in the u. k. it's renovating unit and he will take the whole seat and i was time to get you brought up a speed on the morning global use headline. see about been ah ah we welcome to cross talk there. all things considered peter the bill, the by the ministration, tells us the world faces to start short power in the world system is moving to
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multicolor a t and it's not defined. why ideological preferences dangerously. washington continues to claim it has the right to define what is the legitimate world worker. i to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george m u l e in budapest, pizza podcast, or at the gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri bobbitt. she's a political analyst and editor. it's me, internet media project. gentleman cross up rules and effect, that means he can jump in anytime you want was appreciate it. okay, let's go to your 1st in budapest year. it's really quite interesting out the, by the ministration, endlessly talked about diversity, diversity diversity, and we see it in their politics domestically and now we see it since they had been to the administration pushing and diversity into the international system. which
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actually is really quite contradictory because diversity, in least nominally, is about having differences. but i think what we see here with the bio administration is an extreme form of universalism, and they're covering it up under diversity because it's either or, i mean, it isn't returned to the cold board, but we are returning to a cold war paradigm. it is democracy versus authoritarianism and in that ideological minds and it kind of makes sense. but in the real world, it doesn't make any sense at all. go ahead. george. it doesn't make any sense. so there is really the difference between the sort of diversity at home and the superficial difference because of when the, by them ministration, ologist talk about diversity. they don't actually really mean to be or view opinions. they mean they got a monolithic view of the world. they mean, you know,
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it was the superficial, after, you know, the color of the skin with gender sexual orientation is that's just the monolithic world view. you want to get into the bike ration. you have to subscribe to a certain set of doctrines. so they're not going to have a bus, the bus to abuse the administrator. and i think back now they look on the world, but the rest of the world have to follow this manner, listing your logical mindset. now of course, it's bringing them into confrontation of this name with the rival rate, but it's also bringing them into conversation with countries that normally would be on their side. so when the obama administration goes back, obama, so when to kenya, toward the end of his administration, he started lecturing them about gay rights. so he was getting ready to welcome its
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favorite song. you know, the most, the most famous canyon in the well. and what is even where he goes or lecturing them about a tag, a nice like, and you're when you're seeing the right now when the bible, you just a very involved in this vision is getting itself in conflict with countries that are normally on their side is hungary and poland, 2 of the great brave freedom fighters against communism. if you please, the worship, during all 3 trends and now the demonized. why? because then subscribing to the western ideological moment. if i lost count the number of times, george used the word side, meaning choosing signs. again, this is nothing to do with diversity. it is actually a 0 sum game. and in what's really quite remarkable is that russia and china are
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demonized as being authoritarian. but even if you accept that proposition, russia, china are not proposing with the promotion and extension of authoritarian powers. there's no evidence about whatsoever. so this is an idea, watchable struggle coming just for one side. they use the word side again, go ahead, dimmer, where you are quite cried. i think george was quite right in the site and the examples of poland and hungary as country is, which just didn't fit the more money that i would go more live on the west. and it was interesting that president, do know, full and rosa for because he's southern said just a few days ago that i would go constraints imposed by the european union. i in fact then, right, you know what you can constraints that were imposed by the union and the other glaring examples of gas done. i mean that the idea that you should educate goals
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before boys, you know, it just didn't go down and have gay stuff and he couldn't. but there is no so, so i mean, 20 years, the longest warranty american history americans are leaving. they're going to some, and i don't hear a war the self criticism. what did we do wrong? it's all about the table are guns, you know, the uneducated, you know, they are unable to do so it's the same story. again, i told you said the board 0 sum game and of all the sites is very important because, you know, we are trying to find out why is the situation so bad in europe? i mean, it's no worse than a 1989 or even in 1987. why did it happen? well, because of george beep, right? you're writing his article. it's a big wall of the importer, somebody most in american foreign policy article,
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published in the national interest. in fact, clinton even clinton and george bush will also support the university of instead of diversity. that was there. i mean, i remember clinton, many times came to law school with his wife lecturing rations on the, on the benefits of american life. the problem was that he projected the immature great sympathy of the what's rash. so, i mean, it's just noxious. you know, when he will respond that a chance in russia before the election in 2016 and when she was there, central state. bill clinton never objective, even though there was basically undue. and you know what he said for many years when he was the president. so they basically impose this idea off against them. you know, instead of talking about compromise, talking about corporation in europe. it was about gamma critic,
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west save in the former soviet republics from the authoritarian clark, just over russia. i think that was the image or what type that was very well presented by glen decent, our friend or participant in the, in the cross talk in his reach and logical on our team website. and also driven in bel russian culture. that's the old article. and you look at how the situation develop basically why did we have wars in the form of the former soviet union? the main reason why people have was, is when the situation presents an opportunity for nationalists. so the 1st time they actually saw opportunity was in the end of the service union when loan for moving, you know, in the, in soviet politics. so people are nationalist nationalism as you're by john f, as in georgia. just trying to the moment, you know, this is the moment where we can redraw board us or preserve border says they are
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and they started the worse. if i could just jump in here, give me, you're absolutely historically empirically correct. let me move over to george here, but this all was counted as being pro democracy in the west jokes dba. got a spot on you have these rabbit nationalists looking for an opportunity. oh, and then they, they then the west and there and there, underlings and the media, they wrap it up into some kind of, you know, fluffy, democratic thing. i mean, it wasn't had nothing to do with that whatsoever. go ahead. george. no, nothing is all across the paradigm of the law was of course you, the law in which the west deliberately deliberately misled the public about what was really going on in the slot. so you have in croatia, princeton, openly fashion, some of those open apologies for the regime in world war 2, coming to power and espousing the patriot. the rabid patriot will decide
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which was reminiscent what they were doing in the western media. western politician was the make. it presented into some of these are real democrats, you know, they, they, they're then, like, it's like a democracy, as opposed to the terrible people in belgrade pro russian row. come in, all these terrible goals. this, the game, you know, the model to be used elsewhere. you know, so somebody who meant to be like, really present the game as a democrat, and that sort of the gaining ukraine must also be on the national it crashes, the biologist, a present that as democrats, no less than probably later. so if you tell them, well this guy, you know, this is yara sh, you know, he's a sort of us of like big right? and that's, that's the west places. so, you know,
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they saw these nationalist classes, islamic in a number of gave them as useful goals for destroying yugoslavia and weakening, basically weakening russia and presented to them as liberals and democrats. really interesting to me and said, you know, again we have this kind of false choice or false binary is that if you want more reform and democracy must be pro western an anti russian. i mean, why can't you be pro reform and pro number the still be pro russia? of course i'm talking about beer roots. ok. they're creating these artificial divisions that are, are completely unnecessary and do not exist in real life. go ahead. well, i think glen d some presented where you wow, in article that i mentioned, i guess driven in circles here writes that basically don't russian k to make this choice between europe and russia and in the same way ukrainians,
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aged to make the choice. i remember how the control over association agreement with the start that it started in 2003. when president coach ma joined the joint economic space with russia and immediately mano, the european commissioners. wiggle. he came to prince. you said you have a choice, you know, if you stay in the joint economic space, say good bye to that your membership will never be offered to you. so the ukrainians were before the same choice. the, the west is now forcing the bell russians to me and glen decent is very right that this was the reason for the conflict on the was in the former soviet union, democracy de mer. yeah, i mean it's, it's amazing. the west might forcefully severing countries performance. so you probably have women language, colon history,
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common religion with russian by separating them from russia. the west prepares the truth for see what was like in your brain over conflict and coming back to what they just said. you know, the 1st way will was, so it was, it was in the late ages, early ninety's when mountains were moving in the soviet union and all this could be redrawn. you know, let me give you the example georgia nationalists. they decide that the, this is the moment to take the land from the minority just from their projects, from their seconds. they're terrible. first president gums have tried to do it and she failed. and i must, there was at the west change because the west had the gods to condemn gums that they didn't make one when they found mr. so i should be back with the ah
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finance guy. when customers go buy, you reduce the price didn't help. well, reduce the lower cutting, but what's good for food market? it's not good for the global economy. ah, is your media a reflection of reality? the in a world transformed what will make you feel safer? type relation or community? are you going the right way or are you being direct? what is truth is breaking in a world corrupted?
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you need to this end to join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. ah ah! welcome back across all things considered. peter, this is the home edition and to remind you were discussing some real news. ah, ah, okay, let's go back to jim in moscow here. when we went to a quick break here, you want to finish up your point. go ahead. so some of the 1st wave off or so it was, was in the early ninety's, the by the 1994. the situation stabilized, you know, the tools was find in the car box, georgia for some time stop their attacks against a party. and since the safety and, and then the restart that in 2008 when saga really tried to retake. so why did you
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do that? why did the 2nd way? we'll see more more stuff in the pharmacy because georgia and ukraine were promised need to membership in bucharest. so the nationalist decided here goes there, but unity again, you know, we had the opportunity in the early 90 s late eighty's 117 wasn't integrating. we just did, but most of the food stamp now comes the 2nd and we've had the conflicts in caramark and we had the civil war in ukraine, basically in the, you know, the reason was need to express and you know, because need to expression gave an impression of creating a new job, political religion, and giving you up and you need to enter this in the form. so again, that's just that it's create a, creating a choice of either or when you have
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a good part of ukraine. historically, traditionally called 3 look towards russian errors the same, but they have to make this past with the devil, george. ok. and it is the, you know, what did the title of this program? it's ideological instability because it's id ology does is great instability. yes, yes, that's it. then of course it was always the goal to scoop up. all of these are all of the countries that had been aligned with the soviet union. the was back and those who weren't aligned such as, you saw the scoop them all up with a native and scoop up all of the republics of the former soviet union, also within native that was always the goal. and so, but they use this ology of freedom and democracy to present it as if somehow these countries, you know, they want to be free on russian influence. you know, there are, you know, they're, they're fighting for freedom. and here we are,
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you know, the west coming to their assistance. but in reality, as the point though, you know, these are countries who have distinct histories, distinct the national interest of cultural relationships with russia. they don't have an interest in being scooped up within nato, which apart from anything else, is leading them into perilous conflict in georgia and the same. what does it prove to be in ukraine? i mean, it's never been thoughtfully explained, has been, you can want to have more transparent senior government. you want to have a government that respects rights, basic rights that are expected around the world. but you have the but to have that you have to be anti russian. it is never made any sense to me whatsoever. want to change gears a little bit. you know, you said you focused on europe and i think you're absolutely right. but not
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mistaken. fema russia has good relations with japan. south korea, philippines, l. street, i mean they, there are no issues there. it's only in europe. ok. but then again, when you shifted to the east, there's a top prosy versus democracy argument called why i'd say that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. it's only focused on europe at this point in time. go ahead. well, they're not. the states use the same argument against china. i mean it's, it's terrible. in the last few decades, china has been the mangan ties with japan. you know, there was a trail april meeting on the president's own japan, south korea and china just recently. things seem to be moving up, you know, looking up and now they're like, the state says, oh chinese. so gratian in south china, sea or chinese, so aggressive is trying to see, and they even don't look at the job. but if it names that actually goes to china,
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you're right, you know, i think that the problem with much deeper than just foreign policy, all the different systems use certain frame. yes. so the weaknesses or the nation that the control, the not to use germans pension for collectivism and for collective sacrifice. sometimes in the same way you know, the american or just using these st demand in america. america is a nation of immigrants, and people in america, you know, melville describe the play well and she was movie dick, come and liberate the world, destroy the tyrants, you know, destroy this table way, which is a symbol of evil, right? so the authority gets in the united states are using it very clearly, and it's very interesting into you article george b called j f k. you know, kennedy, i'm like,
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wilson was called on making the won't say for you more christian can you just said make the world say for diversity. that's very, that's a very important distinction. you know? and i think that the moment is the early stages. we were very close doing you agreement between the soviet union and the united that would save a lot of lives. and a lot of effort in georgia cannon wrote about that by the field because kennedy got killed and you know, the people came to power. but in general, i think it should be the slogan that they want to avoid another world war. we need to make the world safe for them and diversity, georgia. and the important thing is that for a stable, international order, all of the major stakeholders have to see the international order. it is being legitimate. but the ideology coming out of on steroids now from the bye didn't ministration, is that, you know,
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if you do not participate in act in the international system as we deem that you weren't illegitimate. itself can be legitimate because you're denying them be like russia and china is not being legitimate, then the order itself cannot be legitimate because you're denying them being stakeholders. yeah, and that's why the russians repeatedly emphasize the united nations charter and the united nations as a whole, as the very basis of the international system. and the reason they do is that we created this some of the security council in which the great powers are given a veto. in other words, we have a mechanism in place in which way where we get into issues in which great power interests are on the line, the great right to veto. and that created these, the stability that was absent in the league of nations because it was, you know,
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you could say ok, you know, no one can do anything that will threaten the interests of soviet union are russia when anything that will threaten the interest of china and so on. so that was the, that's why the united nations has worked where the league of nations failed. because the great power layer, there's nothing in it for me. i mean, i don't, i don't know and that's why what the west is talking about. the rules based all the is simply not arbitrary rules that the nato power just cobbled together at any particular moment to justify what they do and to demonize the di, legitimize what great power like china and russia, we don't get to find the deal is we use that the rules and we are held to be a violation of the rules. well, interesting, georgia is that remember samantha power, she lamented russia's use of the beetle. and it's really quite incredible. i would
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say to samantha power, it shows the system works because that's how it was supposed to work. okay. that was a whole point. that's why they put that in the veto. they don't want to do what they, why, and the legal nations rule. you know, that failed, so we can't do this again. you know, if you know this, this, this in hiding behind the close of democracy. but, well, let's look at the record yugoslavia. let's look at iraq. let's look at syria afghan. and then we go on and on. i mean it's really quite incredible this, this idea logical, offensive his gardner very little games. ok. and ends in failure every single time . and we have we have the bio ministration, actually doubling down on it and. and if you just pointed out in the 1st part of the program, no intersection whatsoever, why it didn't work, go ahead. well, you're right, and not only did fail spectacularly in the, in libya or in again,
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it's obvious. but it also failed the former soviet union. i mean, the idea, george a demon, it's all right. the idea that western here and can help you more prosy is absolutely counterproductive. glenn decent shows it very well in his article. at the pinion website. basically, the majority of the russians on law 40 her last, or you want to get the least popular person there. i'm looking for someone who could replace luca shackle and preserve with russia, someone like barber ego. but the west, the narrative is doubting only $200.00 k. you know the, that's the problem with, with terry. and i would just, they have only one can do that. they have only bond variance. you know,
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so that out in d colonels, that's very productive. you know, when dance economy was working badly, when you have a role in the money and outside interference is in lockets relations. and that's exactly what happened in bell or was in your grain because western influences. that's what happened in russia regarding, you know, what have don't from the political scene back in the early ninety's, if there was real competition, you know, not impeded by west on the financial injections on because the west has been helping lindsay and there, he stays there because he opens the controls from all the money. right? so, and talking about relations between conscious, you said europe and asia, well basically similar processes in europe. you know, there were 2 attitudes, one, you know, be strong against russia. the other one represented by the brand and the others go
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sheet with russia and the bronze strategy worked in asia again, there were 2 approaches. mom, the japanese one is like stand for, you know, until you see the islands no peace treaty. and then there was the chinese or did you negotiate be cramped, you know, cooperate and the chinese is invariant worked while the japanese. ready you know, they just, they, when they are 60 years or 7080 years later, they just stay wherever they are. so these edge and it also doesn't work with russia and this can last word here. i mean, as far as the west fixation on there was once they pick their candidate, that's what they called diversity. ok, i'm going to have to in my one thing my guess in budapest and here in my going to think be worth watching as an art phoenix. remember ah ah
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