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as well, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri babich. he was a political analyst and editor in a me, internet media project. or a gentleman cross our rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. okay, let's go to the new and improved version of denise re, bobby, welcome to the program, the man. and i should tell everybody for this format contact that went to guess in this case, to be in georgia. and i inquire with they would like to talk about and de me, you sent me an article about the new mccarthyism. why did you send that to me? what caught your eye? and do you think we are really, are an era of numer? go ahead. i think the main reason is that this very radical polarized in statement that we had last week from president biden, who actually used a very aggressive us when given gold medals to the police officers who unfortunately let the, you know, the insurgents are so called inserted into the capitol hill so these people were
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given gold medals even though they obviously failed to prevent something very bad from company. but the, just the, you know, the, the kind of language that by and used, you know, mobile, which is center is launched a violent and dad list sold on the people's house. and the sacred reach out to 35 free and in the action. that reminds me, unfortunately, that doesn't q my new or the, or the way a democratic leader was exempt, reminds me of that mad dogs of imperialism. you know, in molly's china or the boot leeker solving to national capital, capitalist society. if you know that we heard from the start and why use such paths us, you know, and i think this article about the new mccarthyism, it makes a very good point in the spectator. this article was already sent the liberal of
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the iliad. i'm not making any effort to understand why did people vote for donald trump and why there were so many protest as we didn't get the answer from these people. it was just that they are bad people, terrace, georgia. i'm glad to be brought up with president biden. had to say about the events january. correct me if i'm wrong, george. i thought there was a select committee going on in congress, defined, become to some conclusions. i thought there were other investigations to come to where the president of the united states already has a conclusion. how that out. very good point. yes. there's be the select committee. there's also been other committees that have been investigating and events of genuine. and of course, there are $560.00 people who have been charged with the events of january, the state of these trial ongoing and like the last month and months, if not years after that correct. but a big deal is absolutely right. i mean,
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listen, mccarthyism started of course, before the, by the ministration. it started at the time donald trump was inaugurated as president, and that mccarthyism was very explicitly like the old mac up, which is it accused from the people around from o. b ages of the kremlin, that was, it was that's agents of the granite and it was worse even than the old because the, because the old mccarthyism have a kernel of truth because there were some people working in the u. s. government who are agents of the gremlins such as x, y, and zone. so, but this was complete from a completely made up story that troubles in the ages of the remnants. and it was poor cynically to suggest that the man who was elected president was actually a tool of the crime in the kremlin stolen election. i mean,
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so the demonize ation has been a continuing strain. it's just a now, instead of calling these people, agents of the kremlin, they are now terrorists, so people who are terrorist and they list it so you bring up a good point demon. i mean, i think one of the most important indications of this new mccarthyism is the total abuse of language. you know, domestic terrorists vaccine deny are. so, you know, everybody is categorized. ok, and it's, it's really a purity test. all of the time. you know, there were, there were some official that said that anyone that this was over the last few days, any official that criticizes found, she should be repercussions for that. i mean, we've gone so far so fast where descent is criminalized it's being criminalized. and it's again, we're not looking at
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a very small group of people. we're looking at half the country, half the country is being accused and labeled, and designated and know quite listens, that brings like this. i mean this, these are extraordinary measures. and it's all because how they want us to use language. what happened on january? we really don't know because we don't have the facts, but apparently it was an insurrection. you get my point, fema? absolutely. and 1st, i would like to make it clear that we, on the show, we're not against vaccines. we don't know how to. absolutely, we do not support trumps people. deed on january the 6th, the math that's used against these probably, you know, probably a wrong wrong minded people. i just, you know, i don't want to give me a receipt. i mean, in this article, this dictate the author lists this example that just mentioned, you know,
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making the criticizing sense. anthony, fall of federal crime. no less. if you criticize doctor f o t, you are a criminal. well, but also, you know, there shouldn't be that, that narrow gifts that appear in american society today. and that's the more disturbing phenomenon. i mean, the article in the washington board by dana milbank, it says, history has been written by victors. we should not allow losers to write history. we have these me full g dana milbank writes about the events of january 16th on the table de terrorist took up arms against the united states. seeking to see the u. s . government in a deadly graham bridge. well, i mean this, this is beyond the pale and the, the problem is, i think george was very right when he cited mccarthyism and the anti russian roots
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of mccarthyism. now, i think it was very well appointed by, by the frank in his article on diplomatic. now it's the specialist on eastern europe who i actually cheer leading, you know these you mccarthy's. here is what you said, mr. frank curiously. you know, one group of experts who emerged as the leaders of the tyria, where expert, so least in europe where authoritarianism has a long history and ration you farrier, that areas. this is a known quantity. i mean, these people create and panic criteria. you know, the regular, the book by an apple ball was headline twilight to you, more christian. where do she told you, margaret? except in the actions of the corporations and the liberal coming area, which and apple really sense this is. this is the, the article by tom snyder, the book by thompson on tier. and you want us to see a steering, but, you know,
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except his own and the people think like him exactly in georgia, the name of this program is liberal liberalism. and this is really what we have come down to. i mean, it's these liberals, they constantly mount the words, democracy and diversity and all that, but they are actually not for any of them. they're actually for submit and criminalize this then it's as simple as app. george, it is a simple as the and we've seen facebook, twitter, google, the most powerful corporations of the world. they can pretty much control all the flow. busy of information on the world working hand in glove with government, particularly with the democratic body in order to crush political this then and crush their opponents. so it's not just donald trump and the people who donald trump supposed to be kicked off these platforms so that they don't get a voice. it's also people who have their own views on vaccines.
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robert f. kennedy junior, he, he felt concerned. they were trumps of all that he's been thrown off, know me, will kicked off. you know, we have the wrong, the wrong views on the vaccine you're out. you know, the most well known public intellectual. if you agree or disagree with her, i mean my household name if you read books, ok, great. but what is interesting to me is that when they talk about democracy in truth and all these other highfalutin things, is that it's all those things only for people that are worthy of it. if you're not worthy of it, then you don't deserve it. this is their message, and this is why i said repeatedly on this program, this is the new surf to, okay. you know, you can have all of these things if your worthy and we will determine if your worthy yes or no things like that. so democracy means that the right people are
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elected, if the right people another leg than it was played in all the democracy. and therefore we have to either re run these elections over and over again until we get the right people, or just simply the gate. so that's what we're, this really wasn't the democracy at all. this was a dictatorship that was stolen by jim or whatever. but that's what you know you get . you have to have a democracy means electing the right people done a permanent rule by a permanent lee. that's what they mean by the liberalism. yes, but the demon went georgia saying, if i put in a rephrase it, which i completely agree with them, is that the elite must survive and they will find the means for their own self preservation. because that's what this is all about. if you're in the, in group, you're in the status quo that is prosper, particularly during this great this year. you know, you get a want to maintain that. and so these, these trivial things, these what know,
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things like democracy and voter id, you know, that gets in the way of us maintaining our power because we are worthy of this power. who, who did, who didn't really determine that their secular, god, i don't know where they truly believe it. well, it's true and also look how the, you know, the liberal clause is trying to consolidate. and so, i mean, timothy snyder, when he wrote his book on tyranny, it was actually an appeal that feel our self like a class that feels that we have to defend our interests or not interest. we have 2 different read them and all of those things. and the, this is really dangerous and in the why and all the article by thomas frank is us liberals. all the trump. ok, you know, maybe people in some time will forget trump and they will forget the control misses around him. what will remain and what is really dangerous is the presence of
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certain narrative. i mean the appeal by done a meal bank, and here's the article for the washington post, you know, in which the praise of the polarized and statement from a president biden on, you know, generally 6 people being old terrorists and white supremacists, you know, doesn't mean ben crates not low right, history and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new. stay with our ah ah ah over go the with
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me the new gold rushes underway, and gunner thousands of ill equipped workers are flocking to the goldfields, hoping to strike it. rich children are torn between gold education. my family was very poor. i thought i would do my best to get back to school, which still will have the strongest appeal the british and american governments have often been accused of destroying lives in their own interest. what you see in this nice techniques is the state devising message to end essentially destroy personality of an individual lifetime. typically,
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this is how one doctor's theories were allegedly used in psychological warfare against the prisoners deemed a danger to the state. that was the foundation for the method of psychological interrogation, psychological torture, disseminated within the us intelligence community, and worldwide among allies for the next 30 years. and how the victim say they still with the consequences today. the welcome at the crime stuff. are all things are considered. i am peter liberal. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. i. i are a gentleman. let's change gears and georgia, a very famous television personality from the united states. oh. but the most popular cable host tucker carlson was in the city where you reside right now. and
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he met someone that the west revivals. what's your take? well, i think 22 aspects, the 1st of all the interview between the victim and soccer golf. and it's actually a fascinating and everybody should watch it or buy an article is a very cogent, intelligent view. all of national relatives of. busy saying, well, nations have a right to determine their own destiny in the light of their own interest, and there are light of their own culture traditions and so on and say, look, you know, we do not get to do what others order us to do. we didn't do what they didn't want to do what the soviets order us to do. we don't want to do what the brussels wanted us to do. so i don't want that. i was which was very interest. well,
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even more interesting was the hysterical reactions in the united states to this interview. it was a foam and a big, i mean we have somebody like massive. lacy is kind of a leading neo liberal. think it was just speaking van. i'm about hungry. you know, i, this is, this is a rubbish sheets. stupid little country. yeah. it has some pretty building. i think you said rinky, they just don't like the building, but absolutely yours. was that everything else? you know, very pool doesn't, doesn't do anything anyone, any hungarian was actually was anything goes abroad to do it probably in the united states. it's a very hands on the russia is nothing except oil and nuclear weapons. but the truth is that, oh or bon, the reason why they are so great. it is a tiny countries just to 1000000 people. that credit is that he is presenting animal tonnage vision to go to the in the global is the idea that, well,
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you know, there are no people. there's just, you know, they're just terminals. you know, anyone any way can just so you know, tuning, you know the long wrong and therefore we don't need any nations. and, you know, that's everyone's just simply a terminal to be manipulated. well, historically and nations has been the most resistant to all sorts of global is the dreams, i mean, but it was the soviet's or that was the nazi whatever. that's why when or by an articulate that this is a nation on national destiny. they know this is a found of resistance and if it's a disease that might spread to other nations, george, i'm going to stay with you. i watch the interview. i think that really what makes a lot of liberal sweat, particularly in the media, is that i came across as a very articulate come straight forward. ok speaks english well has a thick accent, but he's not the monster that he's been make it out to unless he's really putting
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on an act here. quick reaction to bad try is, as i said, as xtreme articulate again, compare that with any america or english conservative, you know, get to try, get bars. johnson was the vision, you know, you have nothing. i mean, the way you would just be able bluster and cliches with any, you know, got some american senate, you know, tried to articulate a vision of what you want. you keep saying you're concerned with the, what do you understand by that? and i remember what i believe is tax cuts. so i mean, you have to pick a to a conservative vision. i mean, and, and he did it, you know, very effectively the interview is very, very interesting. and george said it's very straightforward. these are, these are one of the things that i was talking about it's, it's almost impossible really to disagree with. okay. but then if i, the ology is put, put on the altar 1st, they need, you can't listen to it because it is again scripture. you can't listen to anything
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counter to what our idea ology says, that's why they take him so much and, and they hate the fact that, you know, he's been in power. what for 12 years? one to 2010, but i think it's been, i think, bob, 15 of the last 19 years. here's the country of tell 10000000 people that supported a conservative agenda and he's a threat hungry. it's a threat really go ahead. well, 1st of all, i think we should explain to us, not all of them. we know it. if you read the european press on the press control by the you countries, or if you read the american mains compress, poland, and hungary, our country is all q by, by dictators. you know, these are terrible dictatorships in central europe. the only good thing about them is the poland is very anti russian. hunter is extremely bad because it's not even anti russian. the people are in power. they are the subject gave you the influence
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and the judge of their suppression. the press. the only thing that the mainstream prayer doesn't mention is when pro european parties were in pole in poland for them when they suppressed press in the same way as the party of the trolls. now probably probably leverage. so the same thing with hungary before or when it was in power, when jude chinese, the social for empower they treated pressing the same way as orb and us. and what made the liberals mad them tonight, the state was that oregon was allowed to speak in full usually, you know, actually organized. i think 1st came to part about 30 years ago since he came to power. i don't remember except maybe in the beginning of the night, just when western press will let him speak. he was always just cold or nice quote that you know the same thing with water and why we're the american. john is so
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angry about his press conference after the meeting with them. he spoke to the reporters and they couldn't contact. you know, if you wanted, you could watch the whole conversation and see, i mean portion was so much more effective with them by, than it was important to deny it. and that goes counter they never in queue for they have never done that. you get in the old and, you know, i feel re, terry, and congress are unable to change their leaders and they get more and more detached from reality. in reality, the liberalism indicates a more and more detached from reality and in america, we now have an american variable, the rest of them. you know, i mean, they never point out that are about when selections here. george, george, you're in budapest. now, i lived in eastern europe in the 1980s. i lived in po and i visited hungry. they were, they were run by a party dictatorships. ok. so you're in. you're in budapest right now. so you know
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everyone's waiting with baited breath. george, are you living in a dictatorship? police is just outside the door, but everything is fine. though, of course, there are, there is a breast or bodies criticize the notion that somehow people are terrified of criticizing or but it's just simply isn't true. and it's very funny that on the one hand is a dictate that you don't tell it's erin fargo, whatever it wasn't biting cold in the same time. yea, election next year or bond might be beaten. well, how do you probable, if this is a fascist dictatorship or in or by might be defeated in the next election? i mean they say the same thing about boot coping style in there and dictate that yea the last in these elections in moscow. i mean, it's a little over the course. it is not
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a dictatorship. no one who's afraid of the express use. if you've ever brought up. most people here hate it. i mean, you know, as, as with most metropolitan citizen in the world, i tend to be very liberal and everyone is free, free to speak is mine, and they, they are all pretty much against or been and hoping that he loses next year. it's not the typical of the rest of the contract, but this characterization is of course, nonsensical. i think, going back to the me why, what was also extraordinary? is that due to was fielding questions from american journalists? biden wasn't feeling questions from any russian, john orange on the national and who controls the narrative. so thing with norma was interviewed by the b b. c. when he was going to london recently. and of course the bbc report the throughout the usual you start beating your wife questions,
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you know, hey, what about this, your anti semitism? what about the dictatorship? that's the stuff, but nonetheless, or bon politely, answer these questions. so it's a, it's very, very different from the treatment that you know, the biden, the head of the greatest democracy in the world gets guarantee when brussels is afraid of. and they just can't and confident is that, so a leader not long standing now can be reelected repeatedly, having conservative views that are at odds with the ideology coming out of brussels is cannot stand. that's because, you know, because then for them that's not demarc somehow democracy isn't working if you get that results, okay, which is what it basically you liberal thing to think. ok. and so they have a problem not only with the, the ideology and beliefs a bit about and his electorate, but they have a problem with democracy itself. i would say, go ahead. well,
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george just said that in the right way characterize their democracy, democracy is when the right democrats, when elections, if possible, honestly, if not possible, not very want to say what we must have the right people in our idea logically right people. this is not the mary talker, she's not the best managers look at the form that ryan in the european commission. not, not the most professional. no, just the ones who are logically your. they allowed america to meet with several elections. why? because she was a logically bure, when the trunk won't be election that in the united states have are salaam. and you know, the former general nato said if trump will not be the lead on the western world. medical argue america will be the leader of the west and what we show you that these, these how do you, how to liberalism, it's not pro american, it's not pro bridges actually international. this didn't a bad sense. you know,
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you follow guys, rules the night, the states, then our guys will staying power in germany and they will run the wall. but, you know, i think georgia very rightly noted this a contradiction. how come he is a dictator, but he may, was in the election? well, it's not the 1st contradiction that we hear from this. people told frank and his article in ramon, diplomatic, but it's very rightly, you know, the democrats called a trump a fascist, and then they voted for the biggest military budgets in american history like dropping the lead to give you weapons. but what makes it, you know, given more money than they never been resolved, do what it is. this is a, this is a about a, an ideology that's in crisis. before we go around that time, i have a public service announcement to make cross stock is going on vacation for a month. ok. we're going to be away for 4 weeks. so i'm going to announce my
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vacation right here right here. and now ok, or i don't want to take my guess in budapest and here in moscow when i think our viewers for watching our pc next time, remember the the know what we've done in the lobby and by the end of the month can hard while we're on by now, i know i should know moment the age and illegal mon deals on models like the ones that are similar and i have an association and number from the, from the community. yeah. they're all small,
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lot of the solar is gonna keep them in the no, i mean a me get a feel. i saw it in one hour. my, my name is dream shapes the in the me there's thing we dare to ask me.
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ah, you need to talk to someone who actually could be just a moment, but even when i'm in a position where you may need what's going on for me, which mobile phone bill, and it isn't about what it was, which would be joining me. but it was easy, i got to know how to she could put up with me going to be as long today. i want to tell you the boucher that he hand up. why would you need that? does that quote? should
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