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the i'm action because you were getting undergrad exposing the corruption of the rich and powerful coming up in the show who is the aggressor after israel allegedly attacked syria, iraq and lebanon, britain and the u. s. accused run of terrorism. we speak to ca, whistlebury jeffrey stern and convicted, revealing time, time plot against iran, and ahead of a t u n. somebody's own food and it's so cool decades of action. we are losing one of our 5 a day to corporate interest when it comes to global food security. we speak to the woman who were president of a bill gates, finance, food program, and envoy for un secretary general, until you get full of some more coming up in today's going underground. but 1st, while israel arguably continues to define to national law, accused of war crimes, nature, nation media and birth, johnson's government is vowing a response to iran for crimes. the islamic republic denies. will this as x m. s. a drone whistleblower daniel hale. he sentenced 2 years in jail. the 1st major
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espionage act conviction in the us under president joe biden. joining me now from st. louis in missouri is a ca, whistleblower, convicted to revealing us steady tricks against iran, jeffrey sterling, author of unwanted spy. jeffrey, thanks so much for coming back on. i should just say before we get to daniel hale, the boss johnson, it's his word against the president raising runs the word about what happened in the gulf of amman. in the, in the persian gulf. i mean, how, how much should we trust the authorities when they talk about iran, given your experience to see a dirty tricks against the country? i think you should question anything coming from a polluters? i don't think anything has been done to de escalate any of the tensions in the region. so therefore they are going to be, i guess you call it a flash point without knowing who is to blame or who actually perpetrated the
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action. but the west has done nothing, i believe 2 ways in either session. in fact i've been, we've been actually escalating the pensions in the area and i think it shows a result of that. and with the new administration coming into iran, more hard line administration, i think there may be more instances like this, unfortunately, but it least detentions will increase. and i mean, when we read in the newspapers or watch on tv and they quote, anonymous sources or sources telling them, i mean, do you think that they're innumerable compliant journalists for the c a to brief. one thing about the ca, they are certainly protective of their image, so they're going to be out there within the media. i think as a checkpoint and to be able to make sure that if anything is spoken about
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that it's done in a more positive light. whether they are actually taking the, being at the forefront, they're making statements. i'm not sure about that, but especially with the major media outlets. the stance is going to be position more favorable to those in power if you will. yeah, i mean, these anonymous officials always give information to other programs. they replied to request for information before, but never seem to give me any secrets or anonymous intel i, i don't know why that could be how late official leaks are. okay. but least that are not smiled upon by administration. are frown essentially talking about the same thing? why is that? it's information reaches the press. it official capacity.
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so many times regarding iran did bring the obama administration about the programs against iran. if they're released by a government official leased by a government official, then those kind of leaks about to make the government look good. least showing b abuse of power, of government or the wrong doings by government. those certainly embarrassed in a government and they are going to retaliate to try and stop that. governments like information release as they like to release, not as the citizens they are supposed to represent. want to hear it. yeah, i mean, i'm sure, i mean, many people may just think that's, that's obvious. now, of course, daniel hale told us about how men, women, and children were being killed and blown to bits by drones and how the us
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authorities relying effectively about it. what was your reaction to him being prosecuted under the espionage act and being sent to prison for years? again, my heart spoke again. mark in the notch of the weapon that is the act as it's being used or misused by our justice system here. i can say 45 months in prison. it's not that much time. my mom is 42 any day. any moment in prison is much too long for telling the truth and my heart goes out to daniel. i know exactly what he's going through. standing there in front of it, the judge, not knowing, knowing that your faith is in this person's hands and not knowing really what this person is going to say, or what, how they are going to condemn you. is a very harrowing experience and it's hard to really grasp,
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especially when you're standing there before a judge in prison for doing the right thing. it's hard to grasp the reality of that or have it makes sense for you is a very sad day for me when i base that situation. and i know the day for daniel, at least i have the benefit that i'm i was in my street clothes before that judge. daniel is the cause he's been confined. he was in the prison jumpsuit, which just adds to the distress of the entire experience. as far as the legal context. his lawyers cited your case and that of john curio who formerly also of the ca. how do you think that affected the sentencing was as you have you, in fact created the precedent for sentencing to jail for telling the truth?
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yeah. it's only known as a benchmark and i don't want any was i know the cleans council during the tradition proceeding cited my case as a benchmark for the type of sentence that he could face if he was guilty of violating the jack. i trial like persecution was a travesty of justice. and, but i also think that i was accused daniel hale essentially be in a traitor to the united states and of all the meanings that will go along with that, trying to essentially destroy the country. yes. after my expense, after a trial, the judge gave me 42 months at some. if this is so serious, avaya lation of the why would a judge get a 42 month daniel,
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case 45 months? i think they see the falling of how the f b allows act is being used to retaliate against individuals who release information that is embarrassing to the us. i will say i receive 40 to daniel, receive 45. maybe they're starting to go back up the prosecutions in both instances . certainly want it many more years. i believe they want to 9 years for daniel and for me i was facing 10 years for each of the 9 counts that i was charged. so people can look up the case as are gods, dirty tricks and nuclear weapons parts to iran. julian this on, did you say, i mean, he's facing 175 years and it was a british judge, a magistrate who said, it's just not safe. your judice, your prison system for him to be there. how just reminders, how you are treated and what you fear about the treatment for daniel hale because
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you filed 3 complaints when you were in prison. house have is daniel hale right now in the us prison. he's probably still in the alexandria jail, pretty much in confinement the prison system. in general. i merely placed the warehouse bodies and medical treatment is laughable mental health treatment, which i know will be important and approved for daniel in prison because he has some health problems. he suffers mental problems now what i was in prison and struggling mentally because this is really horrible. mental experience to go through as well as i was reaching out for help. i realize that the so called health professionals are pretty dismissive of anything. and at one point i would threaten with being put into solitary if i didn't just come around just snap out of it. and
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if you want to put me in solitary to worse than my mental condition, because i'm actually trying to reach out to you for help with my mental condition and but that's what daniel was going to face. they will put window dressing on it as they did during the proceedings that there will be adequate mental health care. but that is absolutely not the reality of prisons in this country. no more. as i said, no more than warehouses, individuals are just numbers. and you are treated as pretty much non 1st. i mean, even if you will not be, if your lawyers hadn't succeeded in persuading the authorities about your hot condition, do you think you'd have died of a heart related condition without that small victory you had when you were in jail? i think that's very much the case that i would have. i was actually terrified that i would die in that desolate place because the health care that i deserve the
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health care that i, that by law i was entitled to being denied to me. and it took us senator to inquire at the prison for me to receive health care. a lot of that most of that was face to face, to all of my supporters arising the prison by rising politicians and especially my, my strong, lovely wife. now how many people in us prisons have that sort of support? when i was there, it was routine for someone to dot. there was, it was a routine for someone did i have a heart attack? and usually if you have a heart issues in the prison, i was that the answer that i received on several occasions was drink more water. i've never known a heart condition to be alleviated with a prescription of water. but that's the type of health care that their healthcare and mental health care, danny will receiving as well as julian his on goes on being tortured according to
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the un. daniel. as david contrast, the overhead of the ca leaked secrets for his book to his lover. he didn't go to jail. do you think that the reason we're not getting more whistleblowers recently from the intelligent service? i mean, just look what's happening in afghanistan, the disaster that's happening there. we don't seem to get any until leaks, which was, is because people like you, daniel hale, julian, his curiosity, who john carry out the jailing, working deterring truth. tell us that is exactly why they're using the espionage act as a hammer, as the biggest threat that they can come up with to use against, with a lower. anyone interested in standing up against government, wrong doing the message they to send the same message. this is what you will face, not many actually go to trial and put the government to task on that because they
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use that as such a threat. and maybe that can be one of the reasons why i think there will always be whistleblowers. but i think especially in this country, we also see different sort of justice system, especially when it comes to national security. daniel have received 45 months in prison and the government really didn't have to show any damage on the espionage. they just have to claim that the revealed national defense information will be january 6 terrorists. that storm the capital are not considered a threat to national security and they are only being charged. those individuals who have been charged with misdemeanors. the 1st individual received a month in prison for storming their capital and also only be in charge a little estimator. i. the differences here are astounding and quite disgusting with regard to justice benefits just as soon as country,
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which is not justice at all. jeffrey selling, thank you. thank you very much for having me. after the break, we all condemning global farmers to poverty and the nutrition is corporate piracy reign supreme. we speak to the woman who doubles his bill, gates, ally, and un secretary general envoy ahead of new york un food system. some. it's all the more coming up about 2 of going underground. ah, what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy plantation let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. development only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time. time to sit down and talk me. a new gold rush is underway and gunner thousands of ill equipped workers
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flocking to the goldfields, hoping to strike it. rich children are torn between gold and education. my family was very poor. i thought i was doing my best to get back to school, which still it will have the strongest appeal the welcome back, new york un food system summit starts in a matter of weeks in a drive to transform the world's food systems for the next decade. and his global hunger is set to rise by a 3rd this year with millions more on the brink of famine, due to climate change. what can we expect to join mean african guardian around the un secretary general special envoy to the summit, and president of the alliance for green revolution in africa, dr. agnes calabasas. thank you so much, agnes, for coming on. we'll tell me about what this summit will mean for africa in the
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world. so thank you so much for having me. the summit recall grenades is that we have a number of places, number one that we have behind on its digits. the sustainable development goes. number 2, the for some 2 companies is that food system that is supposed to deliver gifts, hunger gifts, to deliver for bitter nutrition, actually contributing to climate change and contribute to the most and fucked by diversity loss. so it's not just about food, it's also about these other issues. so really what to expect is we need to compromise that. we need to come to on foot and equity for people, but we also need to come to an environmental issues. the top would be to to climate since the fact that systems contribute one 3rd of emissions to climate change is something we cannot look at this point in time. i mean, obviously as figure a country increase food bag, uses the united states as upwards of 40000000 who cannot eat tonight without food stamps. why don't they just in africa do what you facilitated when you administer
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around the policies you enabled cause made that put to quadruple rice, to double. why don't you just do that? i mean, what, why do you need a big summit at all? so it's, so that's a very good question. so number one, different countries need to put the systems in place just like we didn't run that we need to work on putting systems in place that allow for most folks this problem said to be able to double, you know, from foxes or the input systems that you know, for example, in the list and what we know days we take for granted. and what we want is to show that those things that there is the was noted for granted to become available to africa from us so that they can be productive. and those things include inputs, but they also include markets and functional markets include access to those markets, include access to find those which is the mid 4 african countries. so those are the challenges that are holding the continent book. but know,
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we also need to talk about climate change and what climate change is doing. pull this from us that we're beginning to come out of poverty because of use of agriculture. and because of good use the cut to do it any more because out of every 3 months to fail, does it have a lot of clements? yeah, i'm not sure. i mean, obviously under nourishment though, joining those years when you, a minister went out from 1300000 to 4400000. doesn't that show that actually crop yield? as a metric is not a particularly good one when it comes to food systems. i mean, you, in your, i mean, you, you failed at the alliance for the green revolution in africa. if you missed the target by 70 percent, and to stand in, in the countries, the focus group countries in africa. so 1st thing 1st, both linda and increasing numbers of hungry people. wonder, i don't know where you get to your debt. i don't know if you're reading, but if i go with the global index report,
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which was produced around 201220131 that it used to show levels by 50 percent. and what wonder did was to use a foot systems approach, where a number of ministries, a number of success come together to look at why a country like whether the tubs the produce food, had to should, number one to should. of course there isn't that many, and i want to go to these, but i'm going to what we did. what we did was, should the be sick, does come to get up and walk to. yes, it's showing that form of concrete. chris yields, but also looked on funding before before months. and this people that are much more noticed on the type of solution, but we need to get to them. sometimes the solutions are not cultural. sometimes the social will social protection and actually helping them where they were. so different cultures have different, tentative, and it has to raise it started. but it has to have solution tailored to being able
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to do the longest. i was, i mean the figures come via villa campus. tina, you know, the different groups range against the summit. what do you make of the hundreds of small scale food producers, researches, indigenous peoples organizations? the one to complete boycott of this summer in a couple of weeks time. that's an interesting question. first of all, let me call goodness that we have made huge efforts on the secretary general's request to make this a people submit. we've reached out to people in this enough people have had 280 dia loops, including about 5000000 people from across civil regions of the world. we reached out to the producers. we've re shuttle fishers. we shall also 2 people we will show to private sector, including up to simon. i had meeting with them and said, just the flood general. now this reach out to record amazing, but every possible you and i have a stick in the food system and we need to cover nice that we need to appreciate
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that your decisions, it fucked off with the system. we've tried to include every but do we will close. it said to not worry about this by doing this good. we need every but nice what they are doing and we need to put to be held accountable for that. so try to have the composition, including topical positions with each other, the look of the both of the positions that we must have to fix off with the student to some of those group say that a your organizationally, your present job is basically a front organization that is a deliberately trying to stop small holding small farmers in favor of massive chemical companies. obviously, only 2 companies, one center bare and and dupont control most of the world's food bill gates, obviously who finance is you? is the largest private farm landowner in the united states?
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what would you say to the accusation? so this a private sector and big corporations have been in this business or, and will always been this is mr. have been, they've been, if i was blood for a girl was born. so let's put those things in context. and bill gets fun so much more than a precocious 50 was 1st floor, the pharmacy fun for vaccines, the funds, hills and all the things, many of which we appreciate where we live from a perspective, we'll get books that have access the facilities. now, putting things in perspective, again, my job is to ensure that african florida from us have and will put into produce in the with that the 7 out of 10 people that live in a culture can actually have productive recovery systems can. how yields, i'm not looking for 10 metric tons by hickory. like we've seen the euro, or even in the us, i'm looking for only 5, because with 5 metric tons of reconfirm us can have
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a livelihood that low 6 kids to school that most send, send their kids to a clinic that to give them a neighborhood. i do want africa from us to be basket kisses. so for me here, i have the ability to have the understanding of what the coach 6 can do to transform. so set a good house. why is it then? does, i mean, why is it, i mean, obviously the greatest food systems success of recent years is when communist china, celebrating a 100 years of communism in china, i went to eritrea. that's in africa. they have total food security. there was no private sector involvement whatsoever. we know about the success in cuba, se since the revolution in food security. why is it countries that don't involve the private sector, achieve 100 percent food security and all the countries you are involved in, in the grid lines for green revolution in africa. miss, they yield targets and lead to massive profit and shareholder value for
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private multinational corporations. so 1st of all, that's a description of the but let's go with what you think. anyway, number one, the coach of you called out how the systems, how can i vision the to low communities to be able to box if the input to the top talking about the bottom line there every, for my based on the system to put in place ever from this, no, not all countries can be your typical queue, but we'll cover political system that is similar to that different countries of chosen different posts in those different pub, this private sector, and strengthen the capability private 16. discussing africa, we're talking about assemblies and we're talking about local assemblies. strengthen the capacity of local, sent me, which is what my institution does. look like sidney's, your $100000.00 type of business, your $500.00 type of business, stinson them on the ability to be able to get some us access to inputs. choices of
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inputs for that because chris value is what we do. i don't care what my son to that's i don't care what's the business. so to read that, if it's send me enough, i can function and a bit of a forcible or the fun month. that's what i'm paid to do. that's what my job is about. and you know, what, if someone knows that you, by the way, or even bill gets someone else provides the opportunity for me to be able to deliver that offer comfortable who to farmers. oh, differently to to do it with i should say not just bill gave rockefeller who made the money from oil and ford foundation, obviously who made cars. we have the international panel for climate change. we also clean and it's also be clear this people don't just support africa. i mean, look for phone dishes, dozens of dollars. yes, but they supported america. they supported europe, the support that everybody does. everybody has grown on their book. why does it become a question when pushing for africa about there's a huge debate about the indirect subsidy to rockefeller and ford foundation. and
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that's why there's a call for reparations. that instead of $1000000000.00 grid, your president jobs and even the u. n. s. food system summit, there should be reparations paid to africa. what was stolen from africa? and then those african countries should have food sovereignty over their own countries like you, gander, has been involved in became a faster, has been involved in different countries in africa, not nigeria, notably, have rejected food painting the buying a painting feeds and so on. so that farmers feed is the way forward rather than big multinational creative seats. but again, please support it thinks what is happening. what happened from a career perspective has nothing to do with these. some of the work that we do with the sort of the legs of the rockefeller foundation of the liquid bill gets caught on that we know they put. so of course, i don't want to go down that route, but let's focus on what we can do to support for months and what then when,
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when the money comes and, and really they, titian is to support african communities to learn. oh, even doped some of the technologies that we can adopt to be able to move forward. again, i'm not said no, my job is to show that here, but i mean obviously there's a negative in the end. but i mean, we have the international panel for climate change lead ortho on this program just the other day. and he said, we don't really know what war contributes to climate change. the pentagon, the largest emitter, arguably, why would you choose to work with an alleged war? criminal, tony blair, to write an article, building food security during the pandemic. how do you think that scene in the global south to the man who is alleged to be a war criminal and you together a telling the world about food? so i don't know the said of the next fema will criminal. i know the said the 20
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bria, that talks about development. i go with the side, they know you go with the safety. you know, we're going to show you involved in the war that displays kill. it was mission michael magician with she has nothing to do with a rock cool micro position with him. has everything to do with how moving development fought for can work under the puts that he's. he's women, he's discussing with us or development forward. i choose to focus on what we can do from a development perspective on what he hopes that appreciate. and i'm sure you had done a lot from a development perspective. was with us special envoy. thank you. and that's over the show will be back on wednesday. 49 years to the day, the last of us have defeated soldiers for the communist victory and vietnam, and then keep in touch with social media. and don't forget to subscribe to our youtube channel and tell us what you think about the u ends through just some of
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the british and american government, sivilton being accused of destroying lives in their own interests. what you see in this, these techniques is to state devising messes, to essentially destroy personality of an individual lifetime. means this is how one doctors, theories were allegedly used in psychological warfare against the prisoners deemed the danger to the state. that was the foundation for the method of psychological interrogation, psychological torture, disseminated within the us intelligence community, and worldwide among allies for the next 30 years. and had the victim say, they still live with the consequences today
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