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the hello and welcome to cross. not for all things considered. i'm here about liberals today, show their face. the mask is all and what do we see? the new mccarthyism. they are proud of their liberalism and tucker carlson. and his journey in coverage of hungry about the liberal establishment will probably never recover the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george m u l e. in budapest, he's a podcast or at the gaggle which can be found on you too. and locals, and here in moscow were joined by dmitri bobby. he was a political analyst and editor in a, me, internet, media project, or a gentleman crossed up rules and effects. that means you can jump anytime you want . and i always appreciate it. okay, let's go to the new and improved version of denise re, bobby,
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welcome to the program. and i should tell everybody for this format, contact that my 2 guests in this case to be in georgia. and i inquire with they would like to talk about and deem you sent me an article about the new mccarthyism . why did you send that to me? what caught your eye? and do you think we really are in error of numer? go ahead. i think the main reason is that this very radical polarizing statement that we had last week from president biden, who actually used a very aggressive us when given gold medals to their lease officers. who, unfortunately, let the, you know, the insurgents are so called insert us into the capitol hill. so these people were given gold medals, even though they obviously failed to prevent something very bad from competing. but the just, you know, the kind of language that by it and use, you know,
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m all the windstream is. so terrorist launched a violent and dead less hold on the people's calls. and the say good reach out to 35 free and in the action that the minds me. unfortunately, that doesn't remind me all the way democratic leader was exec reminds me of that mad dogs of imperialism. you know, in molly's china or the boot leakers of international capital capital is 5. if you know that, that we heard from the start and why use such path us, you know, and i think this article about the new mccarthyism, it makes a very good point in the spectator. this article was already sent the spectator that the liberal, a 3, at least not making any effort to understand. why did people vote for donald trump and why there were so many protests that we didn't get the answer from these people. it was just that they are bad people, terrorist, georgia,
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i'm glad to be brought up with president biden to say about the event, january 6, correct me, have read wrong, george. i thought there was a select committee going on in congress, defined, become to some conclusions. i thought there were other investigations to come to conclusion with the president of the united states already has a conclusion. how bad out very good point. yes, there's be the select committee. there's also been other committees that have been investigating the events of genuine. and of course, there are $560.00 people who have been charged with the events of january, the 6th of these trials, ongoing and likely to last month in bonds, if not years after the correct. but the demon is actually right. i mean, listen, mccarthyism started of course, before the, by the ministration. it started at the time donald trump was inaugurated as president. that mccarthyism was pretty explicitly like the old like of the is a,
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which is it accused from the people around from a b ages of the kremlin? that was, it was, it was that the agents on the ground and it was worse even than the old because the is the because at least the old mccarthyism had a kernel of truth because there were some people working in the us government who are agents of the gremlins, such as you know, the hair is extra white and zone so, but this was complete from a completely made up story that trump was an agent of the grandmother. and he was poor, cynically just suggest that the man who was elected president was actually a tool of the crime in the kremlin stolen election. i mean, so the demonize ation has been a continuing strain. it's just that now instead of calling these people, agents of the kremlin, they are now terrorists. so people who have terrorists enablers, it says you bring up a good point demon. i mean,
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i think one of the most important indications of this new mccarthyism is the total abuse of language. you know, domestic terrorist back seem deny or so you know, everybody is categorized. ok, and it's, it's really a purity test. all of the time. you know, there were, there were some official that said that anyone that could, this was over the last few days, any official that criticizes found. she should be repercussions for that. i mean, we've gone so far so fast where descent is criminalized it's being criminalized. and it's again, we're not looking at a very small group of people, we're looking at half the country, half the country is being accused and labeled and designated, and no quite listened. that brings like this. i mean this, these are extraordinary measures. and it's all because how they want us to use
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language. what happened on january, we really don't know because we don't have the facts, but apparently was an insurrection. you get my point. absolutely. and the 1st way to make it clear that we are on the show, we're not against vaccines. we don't know how to. absolutely. we do not support trumps people deed on january the 6th. the methods used against these probably you know, probably a wrong wrong. why did people, i just, you know, i don't want to do more christian. i mean, in this article, this dictate the author lists this example that you just mentioned. you know, making criticize in south anthony fall of federal crime. no less. if you criticize dr out your criminal, well, but also, you know, there shouldn't be the narratives that appear in american society today. and that's
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the most disturbing phenomenon. i mean, the article in the washington board by dana milbank, it says, history has been written by victors. we should not allow losers to write history. we have these mythology dana milbank writes about the events of january 16th on the table. de teresa took up arms against the united states. seeking to see the u. s. government in a deadly graham bridge. well, i mean this, this is beyond the pale and the, the problem is, i think george was very right when he cited mccarthyism and the anti russian roots of mccarthyism. now, i think it was very well appointed by by the frank in his article in the morning diplomatic. now it's the specialist to least in europe who i actually cheer leading
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these you mccarthyism. here is what you says, mr. frank curiously. you know, one group of experts who emerged the needle of the ice period where experts on eastern europe, where authoritarianism has a long history and russian new farrier, the areas. this is a known quantity. i mean, these people create and panic criteria. you know the the book by. 4 an apple ball was headline twilight to you, more christian. where do we talk democracy? except in the actions of the corporations and the liberal coming period? which an apple, really this is, this is the, the article by tom snyder, the book by thompson or the own period where dusty sees tyranny and what unit except his own. and the people think like you exactly in georgia, the name of this program is liberal liberalism. and this is really what we have come down to. i mean, it's these liberals, they constantly mountain words,
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democracy and diversity and all but, but they are actually for and not for any of them there actually for submit and criminalize this, then it's as simple as that. george, it is as simple as the and we've seen facebook, twitter, google, the most powerful corporations in the world. they can pretty much control all the flow of information on the world, working hand in glove with government, particularly with the democratic body in order to crush political and crushed their opponents. so it's not just donald trump and the people who donald trump's, the borders who have been kicked off the platform so that they don't get to have a voice. it's also people who have their own views on vaccines. robert f. kennedy junior, he's certainly concerned that they will trumps the ball that he's been thrown off. know me will kicked, you know, we have the wrong,
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the wrong views on the actually you're out, you know, the most most well known public intellectual think you agree or disagree with her. i mean my household name if you be books. okay, great. but what is interesting to me is that when they talk about democracy in truth and all these other highfalutin things, is that it's all those things only for people that are worthy of it. if you're not worthy of it, then you don't deserve it. this is their message, and this is why i have said repeatedly on this program. this is the new surf to, okay. you know, you can have all of these things if your worthy and we will determine if your worthy yes or no. yes, exactly. so democracy means that the right people are elected, if the right people another leg than it was played in all the democracy. and therefore, we have to either re run these elections over and over again until we get the right people, just simply and then the gate and say that's what we're,
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this really wasn't the democracy at all. this was the dictatorship that was stolen by jim or whatever, but that's what you know you get. you have to have, you know, a democracy means electing the right people it's, it's a permanent rule by a permanent lee. that's what they mean by the. so the liberalism, yes, but the demon went georgia saying if i put it in a rephrase it, which i completely agree with them, is that the elite must survive it and they will find the means for their own self preservation because that's what this is all about. if you're in the, in group, you're in the status quo that is prosper, particularly during this great this year. you know, you get a want to maintain that. and so these, these trivial things, these what know, things like democracy and voter id, you know, that gets in the way of us maintaining our power because we are worthy of this power. who, who did, who did really determine that their secular, god, i don't know where they truly believe it. well,
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it's true. and also how, you know, the liberal class is trying to consolidate himself. i mean, timothy snyder, when he wrote his book on tyranny, it was actually an appeal that feel our self like a class that feels that we have to defend our interests or not a link that would have to different read them and all of those things. and the, this is really dangerous and in the line or the article by thomas frank, these us liberals have all the trump. ok, you know, maybe people in some time will forget trump and they will forget the control surround him. what will remain and what is really dangerous is depreciation of certain narrative. i mean the appeal by dana milbank and he is the article for the washington post, you know, in which the praise of the polarized and statement from a president, by the, on the, you know,
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journey 6 people being old terrorists and white supremacists, you know, done mil been credits norm low after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our ah ah, the me a lot of the world is
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driven by dreamers shaped by those in me there's things we dare to ask in the moon. and then we need to talk to someone who can be a bunch of them and i got a job when i'm in a position
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where you may need to fill in, you know, which one you want to use and about what it was working for me. i was, i got to know how to choose, you can put up with me going to be as long food. i want to tell you the truth that he hand that why would you need that? is that quote that we should the welcome at the cross stuff where all things are considered. i'm peter la bell. this is the home edition. remind you were discussing some real news. the. the
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are a gentleman. let's change gears and georgia, a very famous television personality from the united states. oh, but the most popular cable hosts tucker carlson was in the city where you reside right now. and he met someone that the west revivals. what's your take? well, i think 2 aspects. first of all, the interview between the victim abandoned soccer golf is actually a fascinating and everybody should watch it. or by article is a very cogent intelligence view. all of national so relative of saying, well, nations have a right to determine their own destiny in the light of their own interest. and there are light of their own culture traditions and so on and say, look, you know, we do not get to do what others order us to do. we didn't do what the, you know,
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we didn't want to do what the soviets ordered us to do. we don't want to do what the brussels wanted us to do. so i don't want that. i was which, which was very interesting. even more interesting was the hysterical reaction in the united states to this interview. it was a foam and a big. i mean we have somebody like matthew lacy is kind of a leading liberal. think it was just speaking them about hungry. you know, this is this is a rubbish. she stupid little country. yeah. it has some pretty building. i think you said rinky dink yes, some nice little building, but absolutely use that. everything else, you know, very poor doesn't, doesn't do anything anyone, any hungarian was actually worth anything. goes abroad to do it probably in the united states. it's a very hands on the russia is nothing except oil and nuclear weapons. but the truth is that, oh or bon, the reason why they are so great that it was
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a tiny country. it's just a 1000000 people afraid of it is that he is presenting animal turnage, his vision to go to the of the global is the idea that there are no people. there's just, you know, they're just terminals anyone anyway. and just so, you know, tuning and you know, they long on and therefore we don't need any nations. and you know, that's just simply a terminal to be manipulated. well, historically nations have been the most resistant to all sorts of global is the dreams. i mean, by the soviets where there was nothing, whatever. that's why, when or by an articulate that this is a nation on national destiny. they know this is a found of resistance and it's a disease that might spread to other nations. george, i'm going to stay with you. i watch the interview. i think that really what makes a lot of liberal sweat,
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particularly in the media. is that what about i came across as a very articulate, come straight forward. ok speak english well has a thick accent, but he's not the monster that he's been made out to unless he's really putting on an act here. quick reaction to bad try is as i said, as a big stream of the articles. again, compare that with any america or english, conservative drug, good bars, johnson watch the late, the vision. you really have nothing. i mean, you would just be able, blocked, or, and cliches with any, you know, got some american senate, you know, tried to articulate a vision of what you want. you keep saying you're concerned with, what do you understand by that? and i remember, oh, well, i believe it's so i mean it's a conservative vision. i mean, and, and he did it very effectively. the interview is very, very interesting. and george said it's very straightforward. these are, these are one of the things that i'm talking about. it's,
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it's almost impossible really to disagree with. ok. but then if i, the ology is put, put on the altar 1st, they need, you can't listen to it because it is again scripture. you can't listen to anything counter to what our ideology says. that's why they take him so much and, and they hate the fact that, you know, he's been in power. what for 12 years when he went to 2010, but i think it's been, i think, bob, 15 of the last 19 years. here's the country of tell 10000000 people that supported a conservative agenda and he's a threat hungry. it's a threat really go ahead. well, 1st of all, i think we should explain to us, not all of them. we know it. if you read the european, perhaps, or the press control by the you countries, or if you read the american mains compress, poland, and hungary, our country is all wide by dictators. you know, these are terrible dictatorships in central europe are the only good thing about
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families. the poland is very russian. hungary is extremely bad because it's not even anti russian table. people are in power. they are the subject king they influence and the judge of their suppression, the press. the only thing that the mainstream press doesn't mention is when pro european part, yes, we're in pole in poland. what form of them are they suppressed? press in the same way as the party of the rules. now probably it's probably leaders . so the same thing with hungary before organ was in power. when you the soldier's foreign power, they treated pressing the same way as orb and us. and what made the liberals mad them tonight, the state was that oregon was allowed to speak in full, usually, actually organize. i think 1st came about about 30 years ago since he came to power . i don't remember except maybe in the beginning of the 9,
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just when western press will let him speak. he was always just quote at or miss quote that you know the same thing with learning and, and why were the american john is so angry about his press conference after the meeting with them. he spoke to the reporters and they couldn't compet piano. but if you wanted, you could watch the whole conversation and see, i mean portion was so much more effective with them by than it was important to deny it. and that the goals counter, they never going to you for they know that you get to the old and, you know, i story, terry congress are unable to change their leaders and they get more and more detached from reality. in reality, the liberalism really get more and more detached from reality and in america we have an american variable, the revenues. i mean, they never point out that are about when selection here. you're george, you're in budapest now. i lived in eastern europe in the 1980s. i lived in poland.
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i visited hungry. they were, they were run by a party dictator ship. so. okay. so you're in, you're in budapest right now. so you know everyone's waiting with baited breath. george, are you living in a dictatorship? bigger police is just outside the door, but everything is fine. though, of course, that was larry, you're over there is a press i'm, you know, you know, or by this criticise. it's the notion that somehow people are terrified of criticizing or. busy but it's just simply isn't true and it's very funny that on the one hand, you know, is a dictator. totality or in fargo. 1 whatever it wasn't biting cold in the same time, yea election next year or bond might be beaten. well, how do you compatible if this is a fascist dictatorship or you know or might be defeated in the next election? i mean, they say the same thing about book and open style in there and dictates
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a yay the last in these elections in moscow. i mean, you know, the over the, it goes, it is not a dictatorship. no one who's afraid of the express use. if you live and bought up, most people here hated. i mean, you know, to, as, as with most metropolitan citizen in the world tend to be very liberal. and everyone is free, free to speak is mine, and there they are, all pretty much against orbit and hoping that he loses next year. you know, it's not the typical of the rest of the contract. but this characterization is of course nonsensical. i think going back to the most like what was also extraordinary, is that guten, was fielding questions from american journalists. biden wasn't feeling questions from any russian john for his group and who controls the
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narrative. so thing with norma was interviewed by the b, b. c. when he was going to london recently, and of course the previous year report the throughout the usual, when did you stop beating your wife questions? you know, hey, what about the your anti semitism? what about the dictatorship? that's the stuff, but nonetheless, or bon politely onto these questions. so it's a, it's very, very different from the treatment that, you know, the biting the head of the greatest democracy in the world. i guess what brussels is afraid of. and they just can't and confident is that some leader, not long standing now, can be reelected repeatedly, having conservative views that are at odds with the ideology coming out of brussels . this cannot stand. that's because, you know, because they put them that's not democracy somehow. democracy isn't working if you get that results, okay, which is what it made me the wrong thing to think. ok. and so they have
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a problem not only with the, the ideology and beliefs a bit about and his electorate, but they have a problem with democracy itself. i would say go ahead him. well, george just said that in a very right way characterize their democracy, democracy as well, the right democrats when the elections, it's possible, honestly, if not, or she will not really want to stay, but we must have the right people in our idea logically right people this is not and maybe talk, she's not the best managers look at the show up on the ryan in the european commission. not, not the most professional. no, just the ones who are, i guess, logically your. they allowed america to meet with several elections. why? because she was a logically bure, when the trunk won't be election that in the united states have your salon or, you know, the former, the secretary general of nato said if trump will not be the lead on the western world. medical american who will be the lead on the west shows you that these,
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these i told you how to liberalism. it's not pro american, it's not pro bridges, it's actually international. it's been a bad fans. you know, if you follow guys, rules that night, the states, then our guys will staying power in germany and they will run the wall. you know, i think george very rightly noted this contradiction. how come he is a dictator, but he may lose an election. well, it's the 1st contradiction that we hear from this people told frank and his article monte politic, but it's very rightly you know, the democrats called a trump fashion and then they voted for the biggest military budgets in american history like dropping the 1st. let me give you weapons. what makes the, you know, gave him more money, but it never been resolved. what it is, this is a, this is a about a, an ideology that's in crisis. before we go around with out of time, i have
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