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lated, the sanctions on a number of countries, new sanctions were imposed under donald trump as well. and it seems like the biden ministration has now come forward and more sanctions are being imposed on del ruth while the usa continues to demonize the leader of bell roost. alexander lucas shan't go, or that's it for now. here went off into national about your news program returns other top of the our the the with i'm action returns you were getting undergrad exposing the corruption of the rich and powerful coming up in the show. who is the aggressor after israel allegedly attack syria, iraq and lebanon,
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britain and the u. s. accused run of terrorism. we speak to ca, whistlebury, geoffrey sterling, convicted, revealing time, best time, plot against iran, and the head of a t. u in somebody's own food and a so called decades of action, we are losing one of our 5 a day to corporate interest. when it comes to global food security, we speak to the woman who is both president of a bill gates, finance, food program, and envoy for un secretary general. and so you get some more coming up in today's going underground. but 1st, while israel arguably continues to divide into national law, accused of war crimes, nature nation, meet your birth. johnson's government is vowing a response to iran for crimes. the islamic republic denies. will this as x m s. a drone whistleblower daniel hale is sentenced to years in jail. the 1st major espionage act conviction in the u. s. on the president joe biden. joining me now from st. louis in missouri is a ca, whistleblower, convicted to revealing us steady tricks against iran. jeffrey sterling, author of unwanted spy. jeffrey, thanks so much for coming back on. i should just say before we get to daniel hale,
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we johnson, it's his word against the president raising runs the word about what happened in the gulf of amman, in the, in the persian gulf. i mean, how, how much should we trust the authorities when they talk about iran, given your experience to see a jesse tricks against the country? i think you should question anything coming from a polluter? i don't think anything has been done to de escalate any of the tensions in the region. so therefore they are going to be, i guess you call it a flash point without knowing who is to blame or who actually perpetrated the action. but the west has done nothing, i believe, to assuage any attention. in fact, i've been, we've been actually escalating the tensions in the area and i think it shows
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a result of that. and with the new administration coming into iran, more hardline administration, i think there may be more instances like this, unfortunately, but it least detentions will increase. and i mean, when we read in the newspapers or watch on tv and they quote, anonymous sources or sources telling them, i mean, do you think that they're in the room or bull compliant journalist for the cia to brief. one thing about the ca, they are certainly protective of their image, so they're going to be out there within the media. i think as a checkpoint and to be able to make sure that if anything is spoken about that it's done in a more positive life. whether they are actually taking the, being at the forefront making statements. i'm not sure about that, but especially with the major media outlets. the stance is going to
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be position more favorable to those in power if you will. yeah, i mean, these anonymous officials always give information to other programs. they replied to our request for information before, but never seem to give me any secrets or anonymous intel i, i don't know why that could be. how late official leaks are. ok, but least that are not smiled upon by administration. are frowned in order essentially talking about the same thing. why is that? if it's from ation reaches the press in an official capacity. so many times regarding iran did bring the obama administration about the programs against iran, if they're released by a government official leased by
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a government official, then those kind of leaks about to make the government look good. least showing b abuse of power or government or the wrong doings by government. those certainly embarrass in a government and they are going to retaliate to try and stop that. governments like information released as they like did release not as the citizens they are supposed to represent. want to hear it. yeah, i mean, i'm sure, i mean, many people may just think that's, that's obvious. now of course, daniel hale told us about how men, women, and children were being killed and blown to bits by drones. and how the us authorities relying effectively about him. what was your reaction to him being prosecuted on the espionage act and being sent to prison for years? again, my heart folk, again marking and not sure of the weapon that is the jack as it's being used or
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misused by our justice system here. i guess i can say 45 months in prison. it's not that much time. my last 40 to any day, any moment in prison is much too long for telling the truth. and my heart goes out to daniel. i know exactly what he's going through. standing there in front of the judge, not knowing, knowing that your faith is in this person's hands and not knowing really what this person is going to say. or what, how are they going to condemn you? is a very harrowing experience and it's hard to really grasp, especially when you're standing there before a judge. the instant is prison for doing the right thing. it's hard to grasp the reality of that or have it makes sense for you is
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a very sad day for me when i faced that situation. and i know the sad day for daniel, at least i had the benefit that i'm i was in my street clothes before the judge. daniel is the cause he's been confined with the prison jumpsuit, which just adds to the distress of the entire experience. as far as the legal context, his lawyers cited your case and that of john curio who formerly also of the ca. how do you think that affected the sentencing was as you have you in fact created the precedent for sentencing to jail for telling the truth. yeah, it's only known as this mark and i don't want any was i know the cleans council during the assigned edition proceeding
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cited my case as a benchmark for the type of friends that he could face if he was guilty of violating the jack. i trial like persecution was a travesty of justice. and, but i also think that i was accused. daniel hale is essentially being a traitor to the united states and of all the meanings that will go along with that, trying to essentially destroy the country. yes. after my expense, after a trial, the judge gave me 42 months if, if this is so serious, avaya lation of the espionage act. why would a judge get a 42 month daniel? case 45 months. i think they see the following on how the f b allows act is being used to retaliate against individuals who release information
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that is embarrassing to the us. i will say i receive 40 to daniel, receive 45. maybe they're starting to go back up the prosecutions in both instances certainly wanted many more years. i believe they want 9 years for daniel. and for me i was facing 10 years for each of the 9 counts that i was charged. people can look up the case as regards dirty tricks and nuclear weapons parts to iran. julian this on, did you say i mean, facing 175 years and it was a british judge, a magistrate who said, it's just not safe your due to your prison system for him to be there. how just reminders, how you are treated and what you fear about the treatment for daniel hale because you filed 3 complaints when you were in prison. house have is daniel hale right now in the us prison. he's probably still in the alexandria jail. pretty much in confinement, but prison system in general,
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i merely placed the warehouse bodies and medical treatment is laughable. mental health treatment, which i know will be important and approved for daniel in prison because he's having health problems, he suffers mental problems. now what i was in prison and struggling mentally because this is really horrible, mental experience to go through as well as i was reaching out for help. i realize that the so called health professionals are pretty dismissive of anything. and at one point i would threaten with being put into solitary if i didn't just come around just snap out of it. and if you want to put me in solitary to worse than my mental condition, because i'm actually trying to reach out to you for help with my mental condition and but that's what daniel was going to face. they will put window dressing on it
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as they did during the assign proceedings that there will be adequate mental health care. but that is absolutely not the reality of prisons in the country. no more. as i said, no more than warehouse individuals are just numbers and you are treated as pretty much non 1st. well, i mean, if you will not be, if your lawyers hadn't succeeded in persuading the authorities about your hot condition, do you think you'd have died of a heart related condition without that small victory you had when you were in jail? i think that's very much the case that i would have. i was actually terrified that i would die in that desolate place because the health care that i deserve the health care that i, that by law i was entitled to being denied to me. and it took us better to inquire at the prison for me to receive health care, a lot of that most of face to face,
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to all of my supporters. so arising the prison by rising policy and especially my, my strong, lovely wife. now how many people in us prison have that sort of support? when i was there, it was routine for someone to dot. there was, it was a routine for someone did i have a heart attack? and usually if you have a heart issues in the prison, i was that the answer that i received on several occasions was drink more water. i've never known a heart condition to be alleviated with a prescription of water. but that's the type of health care that any healthcare and mental health care, danny will receive and as well as julian, his arms goes on being tortured according to the un. has daniel, as david contrast, the former head of the ca leaked secrets for his book to his lover, he didn't go to jail. do you think that the reason we're not getting more
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whistleblowers recently from the intelligent service? i mean, just look what's happening in afghanistan. disaster that's happening there. we don't seem to get any until leaks which was is because people like you, daniel hale, juliana signs. curious who john carry out the jailing, working deterring. truth. tell us why they're using the espionage act as a hammer. as the biggest threat that they can come up with to use against, with a lower, anyone interested in standing up against government. wrong doing the message they, you just send the same message. this is what you will face. not many actually go to trial and put the government to task on that because they use that as such a threat. and maybe that can be one of the reasons why i think there will always be whistleblowers. but i think especially in this country, we also see different sort of justice system,
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especially when it comes to national security. daniel have received 45 months in prison and the government really didn't have to show any damage on the espionage. they just have to claim that the reveal national defense information will be january 6 terrorists. that storm the capital are not considered a threat to national security and they are only being charged. those individuals who have been charged with misdemeanors. the 1st individual received a month in prison for storming their capital, and i was only being charged a little estimator. i. the differences here are astounding and quite disgusting with regard to justice benefits just as soon as country, which is not justice at all. jeffrey selling, thank you. thank you very much for having me. after the break, we all condemning global farmers to poverty and they'll nutrition as corporate piracy reign supreme. we speak to the woman who doubles his bill, gates, ally,
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and un secretary general envoy ahead of new york un food system from it's all the more coming up about 2 of going underground liberals today show their faith in what you see the new the current b as they are proud is there a carlson and his journey in coverage hungry wrote about the liberal, establish probably never the welcome back. new york un food system. some, it starts in a matter of weeks in a drawing to transform the world's food systems for the next decade. and the global hunger is set to rise by a 3rd this year with millions more on the brink of famine, due to climate change. what can we expect to join mean africa, guardian, rhonda, the un secretary general special envoy to the summit and president of the alliance
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for green revolution in africa. dr. agnes calla bonsa. thank you so much for coming on. will tell me about what this summit will mean for africa in the world. so thank you so much for having me. the summit organizes that we have a number of places, number one that we have behind on. it's the just, the sustainable development goes. number 2, the sum to cover knives is that all food system that is supposed to deliver gets hunger against deliver, for nutrition, actually contributing to climate change and contributing the most fucked by diversity loss. so it's not just about food, it's also about these other issues. so really what to expect is we need to compromise that we need to come to and foot under equity for people, but we also need to come through an environmental issues that contribute to climate . since the fact that will contribute one 3rd of emissions to climate says is something we cannot over look at this point in time. i mean, obviously, as you are
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a country, increase food bag usage, the united states has upwards of 40000000 who cannot eat tonight without food stamps. why don't they just in africa do what you facilitated when you administer in orlando, the policies you enabled cause made that put to quadruple rice, to double. why don't you just do that? i mean what, why do you need to make somebody at all? so it's, so that's a very good question. so number one, different countries need to put the systems in place just like we didn't run that we need to work on putting systems in place that allow for most success, improve said to be able to double the yields of former foxes or the input systems that you know, for example, in the western world, we know days we take for granted. and what we can want is to show that those things that the rest of the was noted for granted become available to africa from us so that they can be productive. and those things include inputs, but they also include markets and functional markets include access to those
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markets include access to find those in which is a mentor for african countries. so those are the challenges that are holding the content book. but now we also need to talk about climate change and what climate change is doing, pulled this from us, that we're beginning to come out of poverty because of use of agriculture. and because of good to use the cut to do it any more because out of every 3 seasons to fail, does it have a lot of collaborative? yeah, i'm not sure. i mean, obviously under nourishment though, joining those years when you minister went from 1300000 to 4400000. does that show that actually crop yield? as a metric is not a particularly good one when it comes to food systems. i mean, you and your, i mean you failed at the alliance for the green revolution in africa. if you missed the target by 70 percent, understand in, in the countries the focus group, countries in africa. so 1st thing,
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1st to both lender and increasing numbers of hungry people. wonder, i don't know where you get to your debt. i don't know what you're reading, but if i go with the global index report, which was producer on the 22 of 20131 that it used to show level by 50 percent. and what one to did was to use the foot systems approach, where a number of ministries, a number of success come together to look at why a country like, what are the tubs, the ability to produce food had to shoot you numbers one to should. of course there isn't that many and i want to these, but i'm going to what we did. what we did was to ensure that the systems come together and walk to yes to show that from a concrete chris yields, but also looked on funding this sport before much. and this people that are much more noticed and the type of social but we need to get to them. sometimes the solutions are not cultural. sometimes the social will social protection and actually helping them where they were. so different cultures have different,
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doesn't just, it has to raise, it started each, but it has to have solution tailored to being able to do the longest. i mean, the figures come via villa campus, you know, you know, the different groups ranged against the summit. what do you make of the hundreds of small scale food produces research and indigenous peoples organizations? the one to complete boycott of this summer in a couple of weeks time. that's an interesting question. first of all, let me go nice that we have mid huge efforts on the secretary general's request to make this a people's submit. we've reached out to the business people in business. people have had 280 dia loops, including about 5000000 people from across 7 regions of the world. we reached out to the producers we shuttle fishers. we shall also 2 people we will show to private sector, including up to similar. i hadn't written with them and said,
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just the flood general. now this reach out to the confirmation that every person and i have a stick in the food system. and we need to compromise that. we need to appreciate the decisions it fucked off with the system. we've tried to include everybody, we've tried to not to worry about this, but it's good. we need every but you can rise what they are doing and we need to put to be held accountable for what they do. so try to have the composition, including topical positions, each other doesn't look so people of the composition that we must have to fix off with sustain some of those groups say that your organizational, your president off is basically a front organization that is deliberately trying to stop small holding small farmers in favor of massive chemical companies. obviously only 2 companies, one center bare and and dupont control most of the world's food
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bill gates, obviously who finance is you? is the largest private farm landowner in the united states. what would you say to his accusations? so this a private sector and big corporations, have been in this business, or will always been, this is mr. have been, they've been, if i was blood for growth. so let's put those things in context and build get fund . so much more than a recall to 50 was 1st floor the pharmacy funds for cnc funds that host and all those things, many of which we appreciate where we live from a perspective, we'll get books that have access facilities. now, putting things in perspective, again, my job is to ensure that the african florida from us have an opportunity to produce in the way that the 7 out of 10 people that live in a culture can actually have productive recovery systems. can how we yield. i'm not
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looking for 10 metric tons by hickory, like we've seen the euro, or even in the us, i'm looking for only 5 because with 5 metric tons of reconfirm us can have a livelihood that low 6 kids to school. that's the most sense for their kids to clinic that to give them my neighborhood. i do want africa from us to be basket guesses. so for me here, i have the ability to have the understanding of what the coach 6 transforms to set a good house. why is it then does? but why is it, i mean, obviously the greatest food systems success of recent years is when communist china, celebrating a 100 years of communism in china. i went to eritrea. that's in africa. we have total food security. there was no private sector involvement whatsoever. we know about the success in cuba, se since the revolution in food security. why is it countries that don't involve the private sector? achieve 100 percent food security and all the countries you are involved in,
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in the grid lines for green revolution in africa. miss they yield targets. and the 2 massive profit and shareholder value for private multinational corporations. so 1st of all, the discussion of the but let's go with what you think. anyway, number one, the coaches you call it out, have the system issues, the low communities to be able to box. if the input, the top talking about the bottom line there, every former, based on the system to put in place every form has this, know not all countries can be your typical queue, but we'll cover political system that is similar to that different cultures of chosen different paths in those different path, this private sector and strengthen the capability private 6. in this case, an africa we're talking about this is and we are talking about, look with them is strengthen the capacity of local as sent me, which is what my institution does. look like sidney's, your $100000.00 type of business, your $500.00 type of business,
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stenson them on the accountability to be able to get from us access to inputs. choices are input for that because chris is what we do. i don't care what my son to that's i don't care what the business so to read that, if it's send me enough, i can function and a bit of a forcible or the fun, but that's what i'm paid to do. that's what my job is about. and you know, what, if someone knows that you, by the way, or even bill gets someone else provides the opportunity for me to be able to deliver that for a free, comfortable home from us. oh, differently to to do it with i should say not just bill games, rockefeller, we made the money from oil and ford foundation, obviously who made cars and we have the international panel for climate change. we also clearly and it's also be clear, this people don't just support africa. i mean look for phone dish. we don't of dollars. yes, but they supported america. they supported europe,
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the support that everybody does. everybody has grown on their book. why does it become a question when to the pushing for africa about and there's a huge debate about the indirect subsidy to rockefeller and ford foundation. that's why there's a call for reparations. that instead of the $1000000000.00 grid, your president of, and even the u. n. s, food system summit. this should be reparations paid to africa was stolen from africa. and then those african countries should have food sovereignty over their own countries, like you, gander, has been involved in became a faster, has been involved in different countries in africa, not nigeria, notably, have rejected food painting the buying a painting, seeds and so on. so that pharmacy is the way forward, rather than multinational creative seeds. but again, please support it, thinks what is happening, what happened from across your perspective has nothing to do with these. some of the work that we do with the custody of the lexus. for addition on the lake will be,
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will coordinate with a puts of colonization. i don't want to put on that route, but let's focus on what we can do to support some of the 4 months. and what then. when the money comes and, and really they, titian is to support african communities to lun. oh, even doped some of the technologies that that we can adopt to be able to move forward. again, i'm not said no, my job is to show that here. but i mean, when i look up, this is a negative in the end, but i mean, we had the international panel for climate change, lead author on this program just the other day. and he said, we don't really know what war contributes to climate change. the pentagon, the largest emitter, arguably, why would you choose to work with an alleged wall criminal, tony blair, to write an article, building food security during the pandemic. how do you think that scene in the global south to the man who is alleged to be a war criminal and you together
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a telling the world about food? so i don't know the said the turn, the next team i will criminal. i know the set of 20 bria, that talks about development. i go with the site, they know you go with the site, you know, we're going to show you the moment in you. but if it's over in the iraq war that displays killer. my because mission my composition with she has nothing to do with a rock cool micro position with him has everything to do with how moving development fought for it can work under the puts that he's his women. he's discussing with us our own dot development forward. i choose to focus on what we can do from a development perspective and, and what he hopes that appreciate. and i'm sure he has done a lot from a development perspective, was with us special envoy. thank you. and that's the show will be back on wednesday. 49 years to the day, the last of us have defeated soldiers fleet, a communist victory, and we have nom until then keep in touch with social media. and don't forget to
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