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french mainstream media says most locals, most french actually support this new system, but we got very mixed reaction on the streets of paris. for me, it's norman. i put my card on the trail. this is clearly blackmail. it's even putting sudden jobs on the line. this bell, thank you. if you're not inoculated, it's all awful. no, this is not a sign of dictatorship for real dictatorship. go and look at north korea or in china. i think this is all nonsense the forcing us to do this, but they're smart enough to make us do it in the right way. i feel last in relation till this are only considering themselves, but not people. that's not freedom. if people want to do this, for now, they should be allowed to not have it. i think having the health passed in place as good as it gives you reassurance when you go somewhere. very heated discussion on that right now on line r t dot com at least 3 months a year. it's protest all across from your news continues here in about half an hour
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. nice for joining me. the the the news. ah. hello and welcome to cross. we're all things considered, i'm about liberals today show their face. the mask is off and what do we see? the new mccarthyism. they are proud of their liberalism and tucker,
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carlson. and his journey in coverage of hungry on about the liberal establishment will probably never recover the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george m u l e. in budapest, he's a podcast, or at the gaggle which can be found on you too, and locals. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri bobby. he was a political analyst and editor in a me, internet media project. or a gentleman, cross our rules and effect, that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. okay, let's go to the new and improved version of denise re, bobby, welcome to the program. and i should tell everybody for this format that you contact that my 2 guests in this case to be in georgia and i inquire with they would like to talk about and deeming you sent me an article about the new mccarthyism. why did you send that to me? what caught your eye, and do you think we really are in arab new?
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go ahead. i think the main reason is that there's very radical polarized in statement that we had last week from president biden, who actually used a very aggressive us when given gold medals to their lease officers who unfortunately let you know, the insurgence, the so called into the capitol hill, so these people were given gold medals even though they obviously failed to prevent something very bad from painting. but the, just the, you know, the, the kind of language that by and use, you know, m mobile, which she missed and her wrist launched a violent and dad live on the people's house. and the sacred reach to 35 free and in the action. that reminds me, unfortunately, that doesn't remind me of the or the way a democratic leader was exec,
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reminds me of that mad dogs of imperialism. you know, in molly's china or the boot leeker solving to national capital. capital is 5. if you know that we heard from the start and why use search pass us, you know, and i think this article about the human caught, it makes a very good point in the spectator. this article was already sent the spectator that the liberal with the iliad, i'm not making any effort to understand. why did people vote for donald trump and why there were so many protests that we didn't get the answer from these people . it was just that they are bad people, terrace, georgia. i'm glad to be brought up with president biden to say about the event, january 6, correct me if i'm wrong, george. i thought there was some select committee going on in congress. defined, become to some conclusions. i thought there were other investigations to come to conclusion, but the president of the united states already has
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a conclusion. how that out. very good point. yes. there's be the select committee. there's also been other committees that have been investigating and events of genuine. and of course, there are $560.00 people who have been charged with the events of january, the 6th of these trial, ongoing and likely to last month and months, if not years after that correct. but it will be the right list. mccarthyism started of course, before the, by the ministration it started at the time, donald trump was inaugurated, as president of matt mccarthyism was pretty explicitly like the old mac is, which is it accused from the people around from ages of the kremlin? that was, it was, that's ages of the granite and it was worse even than the old because he's the because at least the old mccarthyism had a kernel of truth because there were some people working in the us government who
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are agents of the kremlin, such as x, y, and zone. so, but this was complete from a completely made up story that trump was an agent of the graham. and he was poor cynically, to suggest that the, the man was elected president was actually a tool of the crime in the kremlin. i've stolen an election, i mean, so the demonize ation has been a continuing strain. it's just that now instead of calling these people, agents of the kremlin, they are now terrorists. so people who are terrorists and they list it says you bring up a good point demon. i mean, i think one of the most important indications of this new mccarthyism is the total abuse of language. you know, domestic terrorist vaccine deny are. so, you know, everybody is categorized. ok, and it's, it's really a purity test. all of the time,
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you know, there were, there were some official that said that anyone that could, this was over the last few days, any official that criticizes found. she should be repercussions for that. i mean we've gone so far so fast where descent is criminalized. it's being crew analyzed and it's again, we're not looking at a very small group of people. we're looking at half the country, half the country is being accused and labeled and designated, and no quite listened. that brings like this. i mean this, these are extraordinary measures and it's all because how they want us to use language. what happened on january is that we really don't know because we don't have the facts, but apparently was an insurrection. you get my point, fema? absolutely. and the 1st way to make it clear that we on the show, we're not against vaccines. we don't know what absolutely we do not support what
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prompts people deed on january the 6th, the methods used against these probably you know, appropriate, wrong, wrong minded people. i just, you know, i don't want to get more christian. i mean, in this article, this dictate the author lists this example that you just mentioned, you know, making the criticizing sense. anthony, fall of federal crime. no less. if you criticize dr. voucher, you are a criminal. well, but also, you know, there shouldn't be the narrow gifts that appear in american society today. and that's the most disturbing phenomenon. i mean, the article in the washington board by dana milbank, it says, history has been written by victors. we should not allow losers to write history.
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we have these me full g dana milbank writes about the events of january 16th on the table de terrorist took up arms against the united states. seeking to see the u. s . government in a deadly rampage. well, i mean this, this is beyond the pale and the, the problem is i think george was very right when he cited mccarthyism and the anti russian roots of mccarthy. and now i think it was very well appointed by by the frank in his article in the morning diplomatic. now it's the specialist on eastern europe who i actually cheer leading, you know, this new mccarthyism. here is what she says, mr. frank, curiously. you know, one group of experts who emerged the leaders of the tyria, where experts on eastern europe, where authoritarianism has a long history and russian, the farrier, the areas, this is
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a known quantity. i mean, these people create and panic criteria. you know, the, the book by. 4 an apple ball was headline twilight to you, more christian. where do she told you, margaret? except in the actions of the corporations and the liberal coming period? which an apple really is. this is, this is the about the article by tom snyder, the book by thompson or the own period where dusty sees tyranny. where does the tyranny except his own and the people think like you exactly in georgia, the name of this program is liberal liberalism. and this is really what we have come down to, i mean it's these liberals, they constantly mount the words, democracy and diversity and all but, but they are actually not for any of them. they're actually for submit. and criminalize this then it's as simple as app. george, it is a simple as the and we've seen facebook, twitter, google,
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the most powerful corporations in the world. they can pretty much control all the flow of information on the world. working hand in glove with government, particularly with the democratic father in order to crush political dis then and their opponents. so it's not just donald trump and the people who have donald trump's voters, who have been kicked off the platform so that they don't get a voice. it's also people who have the wrong views on vaccine. robert f. kennedy junior, he's certainly concerned that they will trumps of all that he's been thrown off. know me, will kicked off. you know, we have the wrong, the wrong views on the vaccine you're out. you know, the most, most well known public intellectual think you agree or disagree with her. i mean my household name if you be books. ok. but what is interesting to me is that
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when they talk about democracy in truth and all these other highfalutin things, is that it's all those things only for people that are worthy of it. if you're not worthy of it, then you don't get service. this is their message, and this is why i have said repeatedly on this program. this is the new surf to, okay. you know, you can have all of these things if your worthy and we will determine if your worthy yes or no. yes, exactly. so democracy means that the right people are elected, if the right people another leg than it was played in all the democracy. and therefore, we have to either re run these elections over and over again until we get the right people, or just simply and then the gate and say that, what were this really wasn't the democracy at all? this was a dictatorship that was stolen by jim or whatever. that's what you know you get. you have to have a democracy means electing the right people. it's. it's a permanent rule by a permanent lee. that's what they mean by the so the liberalism. yeah. but the
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demon went georgia saying, if i put it in a rephrase it, which i completely agree with them, is that the elite must survive it and they will find the means for their own self preservation. because that's what this is all about. if you are in the, in your, in the status quo that is prosper, particularly during this crisis here, you know, you get a want to maintain. and so these, these trivial things, these what know, things like democracy and voter id. you know, that gets in the way of us maintaining our power because we are worthy of this power. who, who did, who did really determined that their secular, god, i don't know where they truly believe it. well, it's true and also look how the, you know, the liberal gloss is trying to consider the itself. i mean, timothy snyder, when he wrote his book on tyranny, it was actually an appeal that feel our self. i could class,
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let's feel that we have to defend our interests or not links. we have 2 different read them and all of those things. and the, this is really dangerous. i mean, the headline or the article by thomas frank is us liberals old leaves, trump. ok, you know, maybe people in some time will forget trump and they will forget the control surround him. what will remain and what is really dangerous is the vision of certain narrative. i mean the appeal by dana milbank and he is the article for the washington post, you know, in which the praise of the polarized and statement from a president, by the, on the, you know, journal 6 people being old terrorists and white supremacists, you know, done mil been crates, non low, right? history. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our ah
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ah, ah, the who's join me every thursday on the alex silent shore. and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport. business. i'm show business. i'll see you then. me the welcome at the crime stuff where all things are
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considered. i'm peter liberal. this is the home edition. to remind you we're discussing some real news. the. the are a gentleman. let's change gears and georgia, a very famous television personality from the united states. the most popular cable hosts tucker carlson was in the city where you reside right now. and he met someone that the west revivals. what's your take? well, do 2 aspects. the 1st all the interview between the victim abandoned soccer golf is actually fascinating and everybody should watch it or about an article is a very cogent intelligence view. all of national relatives
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of saying, well, nations have a right to determine their own destiny in the light of their own interest. and there are light of their own culture traditions and so on and say, look, you know, we do not get to do what others order us to do. we didn't do what the, you know, we didn't want to do what the soviets order us to do. we don't want to do what the brussels wanted us to do. so i don't want that. i was which, which was very interesting. even more interesting was the hysterical reaction. in the united space to this interview, it was a foam and a big. i mean we have somebody like massy glazed is i kind of a leading neo liberal think it was just speaking them about hungry. you know, this is, this is a rubbish. she stupid little country. yeah. it has some pretty building. i think you said ranking just some nice little building, but absolutely use that. everything else, you know, very poor doesn't, doesn't,
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doesn't do anything anyone, any hungarian was actually was anything goes abroad to do it probably in the united states. it's a very hands on the russia is nothing except oil and nuclear weapons. but the truth is that, oh or bon, the reason why they are so great. it is a tiny country. it's just 10000000 people. there it is that he is presenting animal tonnage. his vision to go to the global is the idea that there are no people. there's just, you know, they're just terminals, you know, anyone anyway. and just so you know, tuning you know the long wrong and therefore we don't need any nations. and you know, that's just simply a terminal to be manipulated. well, historically and nations has been the most resistant to all sorts of global is dreams. i mean, by the soviets, where there was nothing, whatever. that's why when oregon articulates that this is
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a nation on national destiny, they know this is a found of a resistance. and if it's a disease that might spread to other nations, george, i'm going to stay with you. i watch the interview. i think that really what makes a lot of liberal sweat, particularly in the media, is that i came across as a very articulate, come straight forward. ok speak english well. have a thick accent, but he's not the monster that he's been make it out to unless he's really putting on an act here. quick reaction to bad try is as i said, that the stream or the articles. again, compare that with any america or english conservative. you know, get to try to get bars johnston's watch, the late, the vision. you know, you have nothing. i mean, you would just be blocked or, and cliches with any, you know, got some americans, you know, tried to articulate a vision of what you want. you keep saying you're concerned with the what do you understand by that?
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and i remember, oh, well, i believe it's so i mean the yeah, to a picture of a to a conservative vision. i mean, and, and he did it very effectively. the interview is very, very interesting and george said it's very straightforward. these are, these are one of the things that are bama talking about it's, it's almost impossible really to disagree with. ok. but then if i, the ology is put, put on the alter 1st. when you can't listen to it because it is again scripture, you can't listen to anything counter to what our ideology says. that's why they take him so much and, and they hate the fact that, you know, he's been in power. what for 12 years when he won 2010, but i think it's been, i think, bob, 15 of the last 19 years. so here's the country of tell 10000000 people that supported a conservative agenda and he's a threat hungry. it's a threat really go ahead. well, 1st of all, i think we should explain to all of us,
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not all of them. we know it. if you read the european press or the press control by the you countries, or if you read the american mains compress. poland and hungary, our country is all wide by dictators. you know, these are terrible dictatorships in central europe. the only good thing about them is the poland is very anti russian. hunter is extremely bad because it's not even anti russian table. people are in power. they are the subject they influence and the judge of their suppression. the press. the only thing that the mainstream press doesn't mention is when pro european part, yes we are in poland. poland. what form of what they suppress pressed in the same way as the party that trolls now probably it's probably leaders. so the same thing with hungary before oregon was in power, when jude, the soldiers for in power they treated pressing the same way as orb and us. and
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what made the liberals mad them tonight, the states was there, oregon was allowed to speak in full. usually, you know, actually organize. i think 1st came to part about 30 years ago since he came to power. i don't remember except maybe in the beginning of the 9, just when western press will let him speak. he was always just quote at, oh, nice quote that you know the same thing with lot in my book and why were the american john is so angry about his press conference after the meeting with them. he spoke to the reporters and they couldn't contact. you know, if you wanted, you could watch the whole conversation and see, i mean portion was so much more clear with them by than it was important to deny it . and that was counter. they are never going to you for they have never put you on the gate in the old and, you know, i feel re, terry, and congress are unable to change their leaders and they get more and more detached
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from reality. in reality, the liberalism, more and more detached from reality and in america, we now have an american variable. you know, i mean they never point out that are about when selection here. george, george, you're in budapest now. i lived in eastern europe in the 1980s. i lived in poland. i visited hungry. they were, they were run by a party dictatorship. so. okay. so you're in. you're in budapest right now. so you know everyone's waiting with baited breath. george, are you living in a dictatorship maker? police is just outside the door, but everything is fine. you know, of course, that was very, you know, there is a press, i mean, oh, you know, or by the size limit, it's the notion that somehow people are terrified of criticizing or, but it's just simply isn't true. and it's very funny that on the one hand, you know, is a dictator that you know, don't tell it's erin saw. 1 go whatever it wasn't biting cold in the same time. yea
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election next year or bond might be beaten. well, how do you compatible if this is a fascist dictatorship or you know or by might be defeated in the next election? i mean, they say the same thing about boot and open style in there and dictates a yay the last in these elections in moscow. i mean, of course, it is not a dictatorship. no one who's afraid of the express use. if you live and bought up. most people here hated, i mean, as, as with most metropolitan citizen in the world level tend to be very liberal and everyone is free. free to speak is mine and they are, they are all pretty much against orbit and hoping that he loses next year. it's not the typical of the rest of the contract, but this characterization is of course, nonsense. i think going back to the main point. what was also extraordinary,
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is that guten, was fielding questions from american journalists. biden wasn't feeling questions from any russian john or the orange and who controls the narrative. so thing with norma was interviewed by the b b. c. when he was going to london recently, and of course the bbc report the throughout the usual, when did you stop beating your wife questions? you know, hey, what about the your anti semitism? what about the dictatorship? that's the stuff, but nonetheless, or bon politely, answer these questions. so it's a, it's very, very different from the treatment that you know, the bite and the head of the greatest democracy in the world. it gets demon what with brussels is afraid of. and they just can't and confident is that some leader, not long standing now, can be re elected repeatedly,
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having conservative views that are at odds with the ideology coming out of brussels is cannot stand. that's because, you know, because then for them that's not demarc somehow democracy isn't working if you get the results, okay, which is what it basically you liberal thing to think. ok. and so they have a problem not only with the, the ideology and beliefs a bit about his electric, but they have a problem with democracy itself. i would say go ahead with george just said that in a very right way characterize their democracy. democracy is when the right democrats, when elections, if possible, honestly, if not or should not very want to say, but we must have the right people in our idea logically right people, this is not, maybe not the best managers look at that will show up on that lion, in the european commission, not, not the most professional, no, just the ones who are, i guess, logically your. they allowed america to be when several elections. why?
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because she was a logically bure. when the trunk won't be election that in the united states have, we are so long as you know, the form of the secretary general of nato said if trump will not be the lead on the western world, medical america will be the lead on the west, which shows you that these, these i told you how to liberalism, it's not pro american, it's not pro bridges. it's actually international just in a bad sense. you know, if you follow guys, rules of the night of states, then our guys will staying power in germany and they will run the wall. but, you know, i think george, you very rightly noted this contradiction. how come he is a dictator, but he may, was in the election? well, it's not the 1st contradiction that we hear from this. people told frank, and his article won't be politic. but it's very rightly you know, the democrats call a trump fashion and then they voted for the biggest military budgets in american
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history. like dropping the lead. give you weapons that make, you know, given more money than it's never been resolved or what it is. this is a, this is a about a, an ideology that's in crisis. before we go around out of time, i've a public service announcement to make cross dock is going on vacation for a month. ok. we're going to be away for 4 weeks. so i'm going to announce my vacation right here, right. karen now. ok. or i don't want to thank my guests in budapest and here in moscow when i think our viewers are watching a few pc next time, remember ah ah ah
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ah ah, i will. the when i would show the wrong when all just don't the rules. yes. to fill out the thing because the attitude and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves, well, the part we choose to look for common ground in
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